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On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)... Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p well glgl.
you're making a lot of assumptions from something so small, what was you expecting her to do instead after pro gaming?
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I'd take a pass on the looks. I'm sure there are plenty of korean women better-looking than she is. Pretty sure it's the name that will attract customers.
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On July 25 2012 08:13 Release wrote:
I'd take a pass on the looks. I'm sure there are plenty of korean women better-looking than she is. Pretty sure it's the name that will attract customers.
You got to attract people somehow
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The Pylon that powers my heart.
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On July 25 2012 08:10 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 07:47 ilikeredheads wrote:On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)... Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p well glgl. I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it. What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
Unfortunately, I have to agree sir Chef's post.
On July 25 2012 08:12 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)... Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p well glgl. you're making a lot of assumptions from something so small, what was you expecting her to do instead after pro gaming?
You are missing the point bro.
So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate
He never said that it is bad that Tossgirl is modeling. He just said that she is viewed as a person who failed to compete with males and is now in a stereotypical female role. You are attacking a point that was never contested and is irrelevant.
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Tossgirl is pretty
Many people will buy stuff
Best girl progamer
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No offense, but nadamall is much more titillating
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i don't see a "panties" section?
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On July 25 2012 08:10 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 07:47 ilikeredheads wrote:On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)... Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p well glgl. I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it. What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
All of that are your assumptions. So modeling for her own online store makes her a failure of a progamer??? Being the number 1 female BW player and the only female to earn a Kespa license makes her a failure?. You can fault her for not having any good results with the guys, but that 's due to her skill level, not her gender. You also make it sound like modeling is female-only job. Do male models not exist? By your logic, I guess it's also sad that MKP poses for the Prime store because he is using his looks to sell T-shirts.
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On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)... Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p well glgl.
Maybe she just loves fashion? I don't see why this has to be a gender issue. A lot of pro gamers, male and female, don't make it to the limelight.
You say she was a pioneer in E-Sports, but she didn't play Starcraft to become an activist. She played it because she enjoyed playing it. And she's probably doing her online fashion thing because she enjoys doing that too. Contrary to popular belief, you can be a female in a male-dominated field and still be "girly." I thought that was always apparent considering how chic TossGirl looked in all of her interviews. The girl loves fashion. I respect that and I think it's degrading on your part to make all these assumptions that she's conforming to society's expectations.
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No life size Tossgirl doll = no money from me soz.
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I have to say that S.Korean do have great sense of fashion in them unlike my current residing country.
All girls would wear are designer Tees with Shorts. And winter, you'll be seeing Uggs, Uggs everywhere with a compliment of Canadian Goose jacket.
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On July 25 2012 08:10 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 07:47 ilikeredheads wrote:On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)... Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p well glgl. I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it. What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
I could never understand feminists. Can you explain why it's a bad thing that she, with her individual freedom, has chosen a field that happens to catch the interest of more females than males? Also, the fact that she has entered fashion doesn't prevent the females who desire to enter primarily male fields from doing so.
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On July 25 2012 08:55 101toss wrote:
No offense, but nadamall is much more titillating
Yes but there's no life-size NaDa on there either.
And this seems pretty cool. Good for Tossgirl.
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By the way, did she ever care much about feminism, or was she just enjoying playing Starcraft professionally?
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Thanks for the news ryo and here is hoping that I will get to see tossgirl having some roles in drama.
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On July 25 2012 08:55 101toss wrote:
No offense, but nadamall is much more titillating
Who wouldnt after all want to see nada in a bikini.
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I had to close the website so I could breathe!
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On July 25 2012 10:05 TheBJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 08:55 101toss wrote:
No offense, but nadamall is much more titillating Who wouldnt after all want to see nada in a bikini.
I don't think the bikini can handle nada's body.
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