This isn't that recent since it was first reported by Korean media on the 17th of July but I thought some Tossgirl fans might be interested in what she's been up to. We've had some depressing news lately so time for something more lighthearted...
Tossgirl has opened an online fashion shopping mall (online store) together with her sister Seo Ji Seung, who is an actress. The shopping mall is called "Toss Girl" and can be found at http://www.tossgirl.co.kr/. Both Tossgirl and her sister model for the website.
A few pics of Tossgirl and Seo Ji Seung from the website: (edit: there are many more on the website)
On July 25 2012 06:51 Hyde wrote: I guess that's a unique name for a website lol, I don't know if I would have called a clothing store Toss Girl, but what do I know.
Hope her online store does well.
Thanks for the lighthearted news
Yup, it's a strange name on it's own but tossgirl is quite famous (her daum cafe has 40,000+ members) so it's easy to remember for Koreans.
On July 25 2012 06:51 Hyde wrote: I guess that's a unique name for a website lol, I don't know if I would have called a clothing store Toss Girl, but what do I know.
Hope her online store does well.
Thanks for the lighthearted news
Its not called Toss Girl the Starcraft Player who organized it is named Toss Girl (She ironically plays zerg)
On July 25 2012 06:51 Hyde wrote: I guess that's a unique name for a website lol, I don't know if I would have called a clothing store Toss Girl, but what do I know.
Hope her online store does well.
Thanks for the lighthearted news
Yup, it's a strange name on it's own but tossgirl is quite famous (her daum cafe has 40,000+ members) so it's easy to remember for Koreans.
I never knew her sister was so pretty though.
It's like her brand I guess, so it makes sense to use it.
I remember a long time ago that her sister's pictures surfaced somewhere on these forums, can't find the thread. I agree, her sister's pretty.
On July 25 2012 06:51 Hyde wrote: I guess that's a unique name for a website lol, I don't know if I would have called a clothing store Toss Girl, but what do I know.
Hope her online store does well.
Thanks for the lighthearted news
Its not called Toss Girl the Starcraft Player who organized it is named Toss Girl (She ironically plays zerg)
Holy crap, that's a SC player? No way!? I never knew...
On July 25 2012 06:51 Hyde wrote: I guess that's a unique name for a website lol, I don't know if I would have called a clothing store Toss Girl, but what do I know.
Hope her online store does well.
Thanks for the lighthearted news
Yup, it's a strange name on it's own but tossgirl is quite famous (her daum cafe has 40,000+ members) so it's easy to remember for Koreans.
I never knew her sister was so pretty though.
It's like her brand I guess, so it makes sense to use it.
I remember a long time ago that her sister's pictures surfaced somewhere on these forums, can't find the thread. I agree, her sister's pretty.
On July 25 2012 06:51 Hyde wrote: I guess that's a unique name for a website lol, I don't know if I would have called a clothing store Toss Girl, but what do I know.
Hope her online store does well.
Thanks for the lighthearted news
Its not called Toss Girl the Starcraft Player who organized it is named Toss Girl (She ironically plays zerg)
Holy crap, that's a SC player? No way!? I never knew...
She's a Terran player btw
Her sister used to play BW as an amateur right? Or was that another sister? I can't remember.
On July 25 2012 06:51 Hyde wrote: I guess that's a unique name for a website lol, I don't know if I would have called a clothing store Toss Girl, but what do I know.
Hope her online store does well.
Thanks for the lighthearted news
Yup, it's a strange name on it's own but tossgirl is quite famous (her daum cafe has 40,000+ members) so it's easy to remember for Koreans.
I never knew her sister was so pretty though.
It's like her brand I guess, so it makes sense to use it.
I remember a long time ago that her sister's pictures surfaced somewhere on these forums, can't find the thread. I agree, her sister's pretty.
On July 25 2012 06:55 iGrepair wrote:
On July 25 2012 06:51 Hyde wrote: I guess that's a unique name for a website lol, I don't know if I would have called a clothing store Toss Girl, but what do I know.
Hope her online store does well.
Thanks for the lighthearted news
Its not called Toss Girl the Starcraft Player who organized it is named Toss Girl (She ironically plays zerg)
Holy crap, that's a SC player? No way!? I never knew...
She's a Terran player btw
Her sister used to play BW as an amateur right? Or was that another sister? I can't remember.
Yeah, sister > tossgirl for sure.
I think so, I remember reading she was a Zerg player or something? But I'm not 100% sure.
This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
On July 25 2012 07:33 ]343[ wrote: hmm, I thought tossgirl has two sisters (one twin, one younger)? and I remember both of them being prettier than tossgirl >.>
Ah, that makes sense. Seo Ji Seung is the younger sister.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
And to Chef: I don't think she's doing what you're saying. She's using her name, not her looks. A jacket worth $50 is worth $500 when Jaedong or Flash has worn it. I guess she is doing something similar.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
you're making a lot of assumptions from something so small, what was you expecting her to do instead after pro gaming?
I'd take a pass on the looks. I'm sure there are plenty of korean women better-looking than she is. Pretty sure it's the name that will attract customers.
On July 25 2012 08:13 Release wrote: I'd take a pass on the looks. I'm sure there are plenty of korean women better-looking than she is. Pretty sure it's the name that will attract customers.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
you're making a lot of assumptions from something so small, what was you expecting her to do instead after pro gaming?
You are missing the point bro.
So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate
He never said that it is bad that Tossgirl is modeling. He just said that she is viewed as a person who failed to compete with males and is now in a stereotypical female role. You are attacking a point that was never contested and is irrelevant.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
All of that are your assumptions. So modeling for her own online store makes her a failure of a progamer??? Being the number 1 female BW player and the only female to earn a Kespa license makes her a failure?. You can fault her for not having any good results with the guys, but that 's due to her skill level, not her gender. You also make it sound like modeling is female-only job. Do male models not exist? By your logic, I guess it's also sad that MKP poses for the Prime store because he is using his looks to sell T-shirts.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
Maybe she just loves fashion? I don't see why this has to be a gender issue. A lot of pro gamers, male and female, don't make it to the limelight.
You say she was a pioneer in E-Sports, but she didn't play Starcraft to become an activist. She played it because she enjoyed playing it. And she's probably doing her online fashion thing because she enjoys doing that too. Contrary to popular belief, you can be a female in a male-dominated field and still be "girly." I thought that was always apparent considering how chic TossGirl looked in all of her interviews. The girl loves fashion. I respect that and I think it's degrading on your part to make all these assumptions that she's conforming to society's expectations.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
I could never understand feminists. Can you explain why it's a bad thing that she, with her individual freedom, has chosen a field that happens to catch the interest of more females than males? Also, the fact that she has entered fashion doesn't prevent the females who desire to enter primarily male fields from doing so.
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
On July 25 2012 10:22 Kiett wrote: omfg the blue dress is so cute
I may actually buy something if it's not too pricey :>
I love that all of the posts before yours are either "omg Tossgirl *swoon*" or feminist ranting. And then you come along, and you focus on the most important thing about this store. The clothes.
Kiett wins for getting the point! Also, running what I think are the prices through google for USD, I think they look pretty decent. I could be wrong, I can't read Korean; the shipping, though, would be a beast.
(Also - Tossgirl and her sister look great, hope the store does very well. And there's no agenda here - if a business owner can model their own clothes, it's a cost saving measure.)
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
well glgl.
I disagree. It's not like she's posing nude or something. She doesn't even pose in swimwear. It is smart for her to model for her own website because it's a good way to market the site. Being the only BW female progamer with a license does have its perks. It also helps that she has the looks as well. In the end, she has to pay the bills, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
What exactly do you disagree with? That it's sad, or that she's basically accepted the stereotypical female role? The former is an opinion, and certainly if you think this is where women should be it wouldn't make you sad. The latter you haven't provided any good evidence against. Heavily simplified, one could look at this like 'her mind wasn't good enough to compete with men in BW, so now she has to make money off her looks.' As someone young women might have looked up to as a possibility to competing in stereotypically male areas, this is certainly a step backward. Differentiated from someone who just always wanted to own a fashion store (influenced by societal expectations or not). This is like an unhappy fall-back option. Not that we didn't know years ago TossGirl was a write off, but this is the embodiment of that failure. So again, I'm not saying that modeling is a dispicable or disgusting or shameful career, it's quite legitimate, but there is no doubt that she as a figure who attempted to enter a male domain is going to warrant special attention when she returns to stereotypically feminine means.
Celebrities operating online shopping malls under their name is common and was a big trend recently. Is it a fall-back for celebrities whose popularity is waining? Sometimes. But both Male AND female celebrities do this, and many at the peak of their fame. Not to get into the fact that traditional modeling isn't some kind of subjugation enforced only on women, but the context in this case really flies counter to your point.
I think it's sad that there aren't more girls in progaming. Tossgirl, as far as I can see, is a rolemodel for female progamers because she showed that it's possible for girls to reach skills that can match that of boys. With this in mind, I agree with Chef's sentiment in that it's a little sad that she is now not only retired from the male dominated world of progaming, but has instead picked up a new career in the female dominated world of modeling and fashion.
Don't get me wrong, it's not sad for her sake; of course she should do whatever she wants to do, and I wish her the best of luck with it. If this is what she wants, she should go for it. Actually, sad is perhaps the wrong word to begin with. Maybe unfortunate is a better one. It's unfortunate for the world of progaming, from the perspective of gender equality, when a rolemodel like tossgirl conforms to a stereotype like this.
Having said that, she is indeed pretty, and I'm sure she'll be successful in her fashion and modeling career. <3
On July 25 2012 12:41 Agrajag wrote: I think it's sad that there aren't more girls in progaming. Tossgirl, as far as I can see, is a rolemodel for female progamers because she showed that it's possible for girls to reach skills that can match that of boys. With this in mind, I agree with Chef's sentiment in that it's a little sad that she is now not only retired from the male dominated world of progaming, but has instead picked up a new career in the female dominated world of modeling and fashion.
Don't get me wrong, it's not sad for her sake; of course she should do whatever she wants to do, and I wish her the best of luck with it. If this is what she wants, she should go for it. Actually, sad is perhaps the wrong word to begin with. Maybe unfortunate is a better one. It's unfortunate for the world of progaming, from the perspective of gender equality, when a rolemodel like tossgirl conforms to a stereotype like this.
Having said that, she is indeed pretty, and I'm sure she'll be successful in her fashion and modeling career. <3
It's not really a stereotype thing, she just wasn't that good at Starcraft. Plenty of progamers retire because of that and never look back. Personally, I'm glad that she's still somewhat involved in the scene and sticks to using her tag even in the fashion industry.
On July 25 2012 12:41 Agrajag wrote: I think it's sad that there aren't more girls in progaming. Tossgirl, as far as I can see, is a rolemodel for female progamers because she showed that it's possible for girls to reach skills that can match that of boys.
Scarlet tore up the Canadian WCS so :p It is good seeing a legitimately good female player unlike that one girl player MLG broadcasted on the main stage who was completely outclassed by Boxer. I think she could have beaten me but that was so forced.
On August 01 2012 20:27 IntoTheheart wrote: She needs to make a mousepad line.
Right now.
Didn't Aphrodite already do this? I remember seeing a tweet from her that had a mousepad that said her name on it and was pink; along with a mouse and a keyboard. But I could be wrong. It might have just been custom made. The mouse pad said "PINK" then Aphrodite under it.
On August 01 2012 20:27 IntoTheheart wrote: She needs to make a mousepad line.
Right now.
Didn't Aphrodite already do this? I remember seeing a tweet from her that had a mousepad that said her name on it and was pink; along with a mouse and a keyboard. But I could be wrong. It might have just been custom made. The mouse pad said "PINK" then Aphrodite under it.
i think that was through zowie gear. aphrodite won the zowie divinia invitational where one of the prizes was a customized mouse. i can imagine she liked it and had them make some more pink gear for her (zowie is one of startale's sponsors).
On July 25 2012 07:33 Chef wrote: This is pretty sad to be honest. It's not that there is anything particularly wrong with fashion or modeling, but to basically see the full decline of a woman who stood for the somewhat feminist idea of women in ESPORTS to what is essentially the most stereotypical female stereotypical work there is... Especially when you consider that so many people told her she was just on STX for her looks etc, that her only power was the objectification of her body (even in her interviews people did not really comment much on her ability to interview, so much as her photogenic face)...
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i agree. my first thought after reading the news had quite the same direction. of course its nothing to hype about, but its worth pointing it out. and you did a quite good job at this
Not that you can blame her, it's a very sensible way to make money and take advantage of your well-known name. It is just that it is her giving up and fully giving in to the expectations of women in Korean society. She is not even like the powerful face behind the business, she is actually modeling for her own site ;p I hate to think of the chauvinists and easily influenced who will see this as proof of women's place in society. For someone who clearly wanted to do something else but failed, it's a terrible blow. You can almost see her parents sighing in relief that she's finally found the proper path of a woman ;p
The only thing saddest than traditionalists telling women what they should do is feminists telling women what they should do. What about the whole idea of independent women choosing for themselves?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
On June 03 2014 09:13 Xiphos wrote: Isn't she married?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
That's more or less an outdated way of thinking nowadays. I'd imagine they're busy getting it on and she has to protect herself from the dangers of the world for her future kid.
Just kidding, I have no idea why. But really, that's a traditional way of thinking that married couples only has the husband bringing in the money.
On June 03 2014 09:02 Trozz wrote: Her bill wasn't paid. That URL has expired. Rest in peace, jawbone.
Try emailing her tossgirl at hanmail dot net I'd guess she moved on.
I agree, I'm glad she failed that because she's not the tossgirl we fell in love with, she's just another kpop idol face reconstruction/plastic wannabe
On June 03 2014 09:02 Trozz wrote: Her bill wasn't paid. That URL has expired. Rest in peace, jawbone.
Try emailing her tossgirl at hanmail dot net I'd guess she moved on.
I agree, I'm glad she failed that because she's not the tossgirl we fell in love with, she's just another kpop idol face reconstruction/plastic wannabe
come now, that's a bit much, no? I can understand falling in love with the tossgirl that fought hard in BW but saying you're happy she failed isn't exactly supportive of her. This of course takes into account the state of the BW scene in KR and the likelihood of her return to it which is zero so she needs some other line of work to support herself.
On June 03 2014 09:02 Trozz wrote: Her bill wasn't paid. That URL has expired. Rest in peace, jawbone.
Try emailing her tossgirl at hanmail dot net I'd guess she moved on.
I agree, I'm glad she failed that because she's not the tossgirl we fell in love with, she's just another kpop idol face reconstruction/plastic wannabe
Looks like someone's dreams was crushed a long time ago
On June 03 2014 09:02 Trozz wrote: Her bill wasn't paid. That URL has expired. Rest in peace, jawbone.
Try emailing her tossgirl at hanmail dot net I'd guess she moved on.
I agree, I'm glad she failed that because she's not the tossgirl we fell in love with, she's just another kpop idol face reconstruction/plastic wannabe
Looks like someone's dreams was crushed a long time ago
On June 03 2014 09:13 Xiphos wrote: Isn't she married?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
That's more or less an outdated way of thinking nowadays. I'd imagine they're busy getting it on and she has to protect herself from the dangers of the world for her future kid.
Just kidding, I have no idea why. But really, that's a traditional way of thinking that married couples only has the husband bringing in the money.
Its not a "traditional way of thinking" its the way things are in the majority of the world
On June 03 2014 09:13 Xiphos wrote: Isn't she married?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
That's more or less an outdated way of thinking nowadays. I'd imagine they're busy getting it on and she has to protect herself from the dangers of the world for her future kid.
Just kidding, I have no idea why. But really, that's a traditional way of thinking that married couples only has the husband bringing in the money.
Its not a "traditional way of thinking" its the way things are in the majority of the world
On June 03 2014 09:13 Xiphos wrote: Isn't she married?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
That's more or less an outdated way of thinking nowadays. I'd imagine they're busy getting it on and she has to protect herself from the dangers of the world for her future kid.
Just kidding, I have no idea why. But really, that's a traditional way of thinking that married couples only has the husband bringing in the money.
Its not a "traditional way of thinking" its the way things are in the majority of the world
lol? That isn't even remotely true. In fact, that has never been true. Whether in a farm, or in a factory, or in a shop, the vast majority of married women have always worked for money throughout the history of the world.
On June 03 2014 09:13 Xiphos wrote: Isn't she married?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
That's more or less an outdated way of thinking nowadays. I'd imagine they're busy getting it on and she has to protect herself from the dangers of the world for her future kid.
Just kidding, I have no idea why. But really, that's a traditional way of thinking that married couples only has the husband bringing in the money.
Its not a "traditional way of thinking" its the way things are in the majority of the world
lol? That isn't even remotely true. In fact, that has never been true. Whether in a farm, or in a factory, or in a shop, the vast majority of married women have always worked for money throughout the history of the world.
On June 03 2014 09:13 Xiphos wrote: Isn't she married?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
That's more or less an outdated way of thinking nowadays. I'd imagine they're busy getting it on and she has to protect herself from the dangers of the world for her future kid.
Just kidding, I have no idea why. But really, that's a traditional way of thinking that married couples only has the husband bringing in the money.
Its not a "traditional way of thinking" its the way things are in the majority of the world
Not as extreme as it's in Korea. Well she found some uber rich oppar lol so she can relax rest of her life.
On June 03 2014 09:13 Xiphos wrote: Isn't she married?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
It was culturally accepted like.. 20+ years ago. Nowadays South Korea women are doing movements for like female equality in workplaces and women's rights. They even have a couple feminist parties and on top of that, a female president. Just think of korea as a wannabe US because alot of what US does korea seems to be catching up on in the later years lol
On June 03 2014 13:45 konadora wrote: T_T she looked so cute in the dresses.. shame
sister > tossgirl
But regarding tossgirl, the situation with tossgirl.co.kr was addressed in a previous interview (but it was fomos so no full translation allowed zz):
현재 서지수가 운영하는 여성의류 쇼핑몰 토스걸(www.tossgirl.co.kr)에는 동생인 서지승의 사진이 대부분이다. 동생마저도 영화와 드라마 스케줄 때문에 두 자매는 쇼핑몰 사업에 소홀한 상태다. 서지수는 뭐가 그리 바쁜 것인지, 근황부터 들어보기로 했다.
“쇼핑몰 사업을 하면서 큰 매력을 느끼지는 못했어요. 누구나 할 수 있는 사업이고 한계가 느껴졌죠. 어느 순간부터 이건 단순히 돈을 버는 일이지 내가 정말 좋아하는 일은 아니구나 싶었죠. 프로게이머를 했던 것도 여자로서 계속 도전하는 일이라서 좋았거든요. 뭔가 새로운 도전을 해보고 싶었던 차에 지금의 대표님을 만나서 사업을 시작하게 된 거에요.”
rough trans: Tossgirl's female clothing/accessory online shopping mall tossgirl(tossgirl.co.kr) has mostly pictures of her younger sister Seo Ji Seung. Her sister is very preoccupied with movie and drama schedules so both sisters are negligent about the shopping mall business. We decided to ask what Tossgirl was so busy doing these days.
"While running the business, I wasn't really drawn by the idea of an online shopping mall. It's a business anyone can do and I felt its limitations. I came to realize this business makes me money but it wasn't what I truly enjoyed doing. I enjoyed being a female pro-gamer because it was something I could constantly challenge myself to. I wanted to try something new and that's when I met my current company representative and started the [perfume] business.
And then she goes on to talk about this perfume stuff she's been doing called N+1 (?) some kind of niche, domestic perfume (I know nothing about perfume).
On June 04 2014 22:42 T0mken wrote: Well she found some uber rich oppar lol so she can relax rest of her life.
The guy she married is two years younger than her so not oppa o_o but ya I heard he's super duper rich. Killer said that Tossgirl got a mini cooper as a white day present from him lololol
On June 03 2014 09:13 Xiphos wrote: Isn't she married?
I believe that in S.Korean culture, if a girl gets married, it is culturally accepted that they can stay at home while the husband takes care of the financial care.
What kind of husband would conduct maltreatment on Tossgirl? So her life is relatively more peaceful now.
It was culturally accepted like.. 20+ years ago. Nowadays South Korea women are doing movements for like female equality in workplaces and women's rights. They even have a couple feminist parties and on top of that, a female president. Just think of korea as a wannabe US because alot of what US does korea seems to be catching up on in the later years lol
현재 서지수가 운영하는 여성의류 쇼핑몰 토스걸(www.tossgirl.co.kr)에는 동생인 서지승의 사진이 대부분이다. 동생마저도 영화와 드라마 스케줄 때문에 두 자매는 쇼핑몰 사업에 소홀한 상태다. 서지수는 뭐가 그리 바쁜 것인지, 근황부터 들어보기로 했다.
“쇼핑몰 사업을 하면서 큰 매력을 느끼지는 못했어요. 누구나 할 수 있는 사업이고 한계가 느껴졌죠. 어느 순간부터 이건 단순히 돈을 버는 일이지 내가 정말 좋아하는 일은 아니구나 싶었죠. 프로게이머를 했던 것도 여자로서 계속 도전하는 일이라서 좋았거든요. 뭔가 새로운 도전을 해보고 싶었던 차에 지금의 대표님을 만나서 사업을 시작하게 된 거에요.”
rough trans: Tossgirl's female clothing/accessory online shopping mall tossgirl(tossgirl.co.kr) has mostly pictures of her younger sister Seo Ji Seung. Her sister is very preoccupied with movie and drama schedules so both sisters are negligent about the shopping mall business. We decided to ask what Tossgirl was so busy doing these days.
"While running the business, I wasn't really drawn by the idea of an online shopping mall. It's a business anyone can do and I felt its limitations. I came to realize this business makes me money but it wasn't what I truly enjoyed doing. I enjoyed being a female pro-gamer because it was something I could constantly challenge myself to. I wanted to try something new and that's when I met my current company representative and started the [perfume] business.
And then she goes on to talk about this perfume stuff she's been doing called N+1 (?) some kind of niche, domestic perfume (I know nothing about perfume).
On June 04 2014 22:42 T0mken wrote: Well she found some uber rich oppar lol so she can relax rest of her life.
The guy she married is two years younger than her so not oppa o_o but ya I heard he's super duper rich. Killer said that Tossgirl got a mini cooper as a white day present from him lololol
Well as long as the Korean girls remain feminine and use their charm and beauty in order to climb up in the workplace, I'm all for feminism.
Its only when a girl starting to act like men and appear like a man, problems arises.
It was culturally accepted like.. 20+ years ago. Nowadays South Korea women are doing movements for like female equality in workplaces and women's rights.
You mean 20+ years ago women had option to work or stay at home, and nowdays they are doing movements to lose this option to be equal to men who never had such option? That's really nice of them.
In the west it's still culturally accepted if woman stays at home, i.e. to raise children, while man works. Such women are not frowned upon, it's accepted as normal. It's also normal if woman works too.
It was culturally accepted like.. 20+ years ago. Nowadays South Korea women are doing movements for like female equality in workplaces and women's rights.
You mean 20+ years ago women had option to work or stay at home, and nowdays they are doing movements to lose this option to be equal to men who never had such option? That's really nice of them.
In the west it's still culturally accepted if woman stays at home, i.e. to raise children, while man works. Such women are not frowned upon, it's accepted as normal. It's also normal if woman works too.
No you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say. 20+ years ago (maybe more?) women were expected to be stay at home housewives. Sure you could work but your wages would probably be lower and company's would prefer not to hire women (extra costs maternity leaves and stuff like that?) I live in the US and I've seen instances where the gender roles are reversed, the female of the house works and manages finances and the male stays at home. Sure it's still pretty uncommon but it exists. And yes its also normal for women to either choose to be housewives or working women.
It was culturally accepted like.. 20+ years ago. Nowadays South Korea women are doing movements for like female equality in workplaces and women's rights.
You mean 20+ years ago women had option to work or stay at home, and nowdays they are doing movements to lose this option to be equal to men who never had such option? That's really nice of them.
In the west it's still culturally accepted if woman stays at home, i.e. to raise children, while man works. Such women are not frowned upon, it's accepted as normal. It's also normal if woman works too.
No you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say. 20+ years ago (maybe more?) women were expected to be stay at home housewives. Sure you could work but your wages would probably be lower and company's would prefer not to hire women (extra costs maternity leaves and stuff like that?) I live in the US and I've seen instances where the gender roles are reversed, the female of the house works and manages finances and the male stays at home. Sure it's still pretty uncommon but it exists. And yes its also normal for women to either choose to be housewives or working women.
First bold: Isn't that still true today though? Its not like that women have changed their biological habits or anything.
2nd on: How fucking emasculating is that....
My point: I think that its also due to our consumer culture that have developed over the years. Houses use to be 1/3 of the size here in Canada (I've visited some old homes in an open house), this means higher mortgages and more property taxes. There are also seem to have better water system, electricity bills, sewage system, phone bills, cellphone plans, internet plans, car insurance, gas bills to pay, and more taxes that goes into healthcare system (also meddling with other countries' affairs if y'all catch ma drift).
Its not like the LAAAAAAYDIES wants to work, no most of them prefer to sit back. But because of the advent of such culture impact, they are sort of forced to work in order to pay for the bills.
TLDR: There are just more shit to spend money on these days.
It was culturally accepted like.. 20+ years ago. Nowadays South Korea women are doing movements for like female equality in workplaces and women's rights.
You mean 20+ years ago women had option to work or stay at home, and nowdays they are doing movements to lose this option to be equal to men who never had such option? That's really nice of them.
In the west it's still culturally accepted if woman stays at home, i.e. to raise children, while man works. Such women are not frowned upon, it's accepted as normal. It's also normal if woman works too.
No you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say. 20+ years ago (maybe more?) women were expected to be stay at home housewives. Sure you could work but your wages would probably be lower and company's would prefer not to hire women (extra costs maternity leaves and stuff like that?) I live in the US and I've seen instances where the gender roles are reversed, the female of the house works and manages finances and the male stays at home. Sure it's still pretty uncommon but it exists. And yes its also normal for women to either choose to be housewives or working women.
First bold: Isn't that still true today though? Its not like that women have changed their biological habits or anything.
2nd on: How fucking emasculating is that....
My point: I think that its also due to our consumer culture that have developed over the years. Houses use to be 1/3 of the size here in Canada (I've visited some old homes in an open house), this means higher mortgages and more property taxes. There are also seem to have better water system, electricity bills, sewage system, phone bills, cellphone plans, internet plans, car insurance, gas bills to pay, and more taxes that goes into healthcare system (also meddling with other countries' affairs if y'all catch ma drift).
Its not like the LAAAAAAYDIES wants to work, no most of them prefer to sit back. But because of the advent of such culture impact, they are sort of forced to work in order to pay for the bills.
TLDR: There are just more shit to spend money on these days.
the first bold is still true but that's really where the feminist parties and women's organizations come in. They "equalize" these factors since it's not like they can do anything about it. It's kind've like how the US treated disabled people 50~60(?) years ago as compared to now. It's not like disabled people have become less disabled or something, its just rules and laws were put into place to accommodate for their shortcomings. And the stuff you said about people needing more money is true but the stuff you said about feminism just completely confused me.
On June 05 2014 05:32 Xiphos wrote: Well as long as the Korean girls remain feminine and use their charm and beauty in order to climb up in the workplace, I'm all for feminism.
Its only when a girl starting to act like men and appear like a man, problems arises.
I felt like your statement here was completely contradicting of what feminism is. Maybe it was sarcasm and I failed to see it?
TLDR: The man in the video is out of income because of the incident.
This is a rather strange time to live as a men and as a women in the western civilization. Men can be harassed by women and can't retaliate. Women get accommodated for their biological shortcomings, can act in any manner they want and can still play the victim card.
It was culturally accepted like.. 20+ years ago. Nowadays South Korea women are doing movements for like female equality in workplaces and women's rights.
You mean 20+ years ago women had option to work or stay at home, and nowdays they are doing movements to lose this option to be equal to men who never had such option? That's really nice of them.
In the west it's still culturally accepted if woman stays at home, i.e. to raise children, while man works. Such women are not frowned upon, it's accepted as normal. It's also normal if woman works too.
Maybe in your country, but not in Norway at least.