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SpeaKinRiddleS
Profile Joined October 2005
United States148 Posts
January 02 2006 11:12 GMT
#21
Mitsy the self-proclaimed genius is at it again huh? Well hmm...

You can't develop a sense of timing if you become accustomed to just looking at what your opponent's doing everytime you're curious. Timing is infinitely more valuable than hacking as well, because your anti-builds will become more well-rounded.
By hacking you're robbing yourself of the intuition it takes to beat an opponent shrouded by the fog of war. Hackers who turn their hacks off never know when to expect what. It's even more blatantly obvious to see than looking at the player's hotkeys.

So in a nutshell, hacking is a crutch and never allows you to develop the infinately important concept of timing.
Dont let school interfere with your education
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51713 Posts
January 02 2006 11:18 GMT
#22
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Poll: Should we ban stimey
(Vote): Fuck Yes He's a moron
(Vote): Fuck No he gave me head
(Vote): I don't give a shit about stimey

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cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
January 02 2006 11:23 GMT
#23
banning him would be retarded. he hasnt said anything wrong and simply is stating his opinion. although i personally don't agree with his side of the argument he does support it and has every right to. by making this a huge flame topic your giving him what he wants anyway.
cava!
Murph
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada591 Posts
January 02 2006 11:25 GMT
#24
Hum.. Well bro, you make a lot of good points. Only thing you fail to mention is what happens to your oponent.. It is copiously selfish. Sure, YOU might accelerate your improvements.. But at the sacrafice of others. For the person playing against you, they won't learn as well by having their opponent counter perfectly their every move, build, etc.
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ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
January 02 2006 11:26 GMT
#25
I would have to agree with Murph on this one. Maybe using a hack would help you become better, faster... but steroids also let you build muscle faster. That doesn't mean there aren't other ramifications for using them.
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 02 2006 11:26 GMT
#26
not that i think my opinion counts for anything, but i'd sooner see gtr-2-go banned than stimey
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
radiaL
Profile Joined August 2003
Andorra2690 Posts
January 02 2006 11:37 GMT
#27
i'd sooner see a lot of people banned before stimey
for fuk's sakes this forum is running wild
where is rekrul
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AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
January 02 2006 11:41 GMT
#28
Isn't scouting a big percentage of StarCraft skill? Doesn't this suggestion eliminate that?
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
January 02 2006 11:46 GMT
#29
On January 02 2006 20:37 radiaL wrote:
where is rekrul


http://www.liquidpoker.net/

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Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
January 02 2006 11:48 GMT
#30
Previous hackers disagree with you.

If you find an old post of Testie's (I can find it for you) where he talks about hacking on these forums, you will notice he says that hacking is a huge disadvantage, because you get out of the habit of doing things like scouting, only making obs if you need them, etc.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
radiaL
Profile Joined August 2003
Andorra2690 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-02 11:50:02
January 02 2006 11:49 GMT
#31
On January 02 2006 20:46 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2006 20:37 radiaL wrote:
where is rekrul


http://www.liquidpoker.net/



he's had his admin status revoked there
the forum's useless for him anyway, 99% of it's content is for stacks smaller than his pfr
'everybody's welcome'
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Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
January 02 2006 11:51 GMT
#32
yeah rek got owned on liquidpoker, so he's definitely not there anymore!
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
iG....CoolT
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada193 Posts
January 02 2006 12:08 GMT
#33
Yes hack may be good for skill for some people, but we still shouldn't allow it because I everyone hates to play against hackers in ladders like PGTour or WGTour.

Hacks are things we must get rid of as quickly as possible.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 02 2006 12:12 GMT
#34
On January 02 2006 20:23 cava wrote:
banning him would be retarded. he hasnt said anything wrong and simply is stating his opinion. although i personally don't agree with his side of the argument he does support it and has every right to. by making this a huge flame topic your giving him what he wants anyway.


the problem is he always says the stupidest fucking things and makes the biggest deal out of the least important matters

he stays 'in the rules' but its so fucking annoying because he's a retarded argumentative cunt

congrats stimey another fakesteve post dedicated to you, another notch on the keyboard, another step closer to coveted internet fame. kill yourself.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
January 02 2006 12:13 GMT
#35
Well if you need to hack to get better, because you have learning deficiencies, then you don't deserve to be good.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
inkblot
Profile Joined December 2004
United States1250 Posts
January 02 2006 12:28 GMT
#36
Maphack is a crutch, and one that's hard to let go of. Once you start, it's not easy to go back to the fog. Yes, it can help you get better, but you won't be able to scout well without it.

The two good players that have hacked in the past that I can think of would be good without hacks and didn't use them much TMK.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
January 02 2006 12:33 GMT
#37
On January 02 2006 21:13 Sacajawea wrote:
Well if you need to hack to get better, because you have learning deficiencies, then you don't deserve to be good.


Hahaha, now I'm not going to say whether I believe it's true or not, but that isn't relavent. The discussion is about whether it helps or not, not whether you "deserve" the improvement. o_0

Having said that I can't see how hacking would help. Most of the good players that hacked in the past that Stimey is refering to only did it in major tournaments or games and only for a short period of time. They were also already good. So this is not evidence that a training routine of hacking would make you better.
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prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
January 02 2006 12:43 GMT
#38
hacking is not fun
Oh no
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
January 02 2006 12:52 GMT
#39
Ehh, I suppose the 10000000 games these players who hacked once or twice are completly irrelevent?
this topic has been overly discused, it is dumb, childish and makes absolutely no sence whatsoever.
You wanna be good? Then play 10000000 games and you will be. If you hack it will make you worse for when you don't hack. Its simple. It does not help your timing at all.
I understand what you believe to make you think that it might be so. But you are so wrong. How the fuck would it help your timing? The only way it might is because you see what he is doing. How the fuck you exposed to know the timing if you can no longer see what your opponent is doing. It makes absolutely no sence at all and enrages the boiling lava within me when someone states this.

Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
January 02 2006 12:54 GMT
#40
He annoys me :O.
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