EPTOn January 03 2006 15:20 dancefayedance wrote:
I actually recommend for you to shut the fuck up
I actually recommend for you to shut the fuck up
I actually recommend you not say actually recommend for the third time in an attempt to be funny.
i actually recommend map hacking - Page 6
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mitsy
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On January 03 2006 05:57 -_- wrote: First off, I've heard every word of this post before. We've already had this discussion on TL.net, so frankly, I'm not that interested. okay. where? when? prove it. Personally, I say maphacking would ruin your timing. If you're altering your game play according to what you see, you're not making the assumptions required for good timing in normal game. you may think that, but you did not say why. i already said why i think it would not ruin your timing, if you bothered to read more of this thread before responding. Good players have hacked, but I'm betting that they would've been good anyways. There are basically two kinds of map hackers. Bad players who hack 'casually,' and good players who hack because they love the game so much they're desperate not too lose (I think testie fits squarely in this category). this is also answered in this thread already. it doesn't matter if they would have been good anyways. my point is that hacking, used well, speeds up at least some of the learning process. we also don't know how many good players hacked and never admitted it.[/QUOTE] On January 03 2006 05:58 Locked wrote: this is basically it for me too =O i can see it being useful but i disagree with the argument that "you're helping them because you're giving them a better game" why do you disagree? if you hack the way i'm talking about, you give them a better game. who is the victim? On January 03 2006 08:51 CrownRoyal wrote: mity's idea really reminds me of communism, it only works if someone has a gun pointed to your head. If the masses were to start hacking to "improve," the skill it would be accepted at would steadily rise and thus before long even the top players would be hacking to "keep the game fair". This idea might work in theory but I really don't think it will work when applied to humankind because we have a tendency to do wrong moreso than good. if people don't have the discipline to do what i said, then that has nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i'm attacking the myth that hacking only is a crutch. i want to change that to "hacking can make you better, faster, if you learn how to use it without cheating yourself or appearing to be a cheater." i really don't see what you mean by the gun and the communism, could you explain? i'm saying ppl who want to be better at bw, at least at certain levels, could get further and get there faster through this specific way of using hack. where's the gun, and wtf is the communism? (also newbsaiboot's contributions only repeat things already answered in this thread.) | ||
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dancefayedance
United States341 Posts
On January 03 2006 18:06 -_- wrote: I actually recommend you not say actually recommend for the third time in an attempt to be funny. I wasn't trying to be funny, I was sick of people saying let's ban stimey... | ||
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. i'm attacking the myth that hacking only is a crutch. i want to change that to "hacking can make you better, faster, if you learn how to use it without cheating yourself or appearing to be a cheater. This holds about as much weight as saying using an auto-aim in your favorite FPS makes you better because it allows you to get the feel for the levels better. This is utter nonsense, because that same player who has to learn the maps and how to shoot on his own will be twice the player the bot is. Learning has an exponential curve. You may think youre doing better by progressing up the ranks quicker than someone who doesnt cheat, initially. But then the non-cheater has a turning point, and evolves at a sudden rapid rate once everything "clicks" for him. I see it all the time. I get to know somebody playing on my favorite server and i usually beat the shit out of them for a week or two. Then one day all the sudden they are 2-3 times better. I laugh because i remember the feeling myself, to wake up one morning, jump in, and all the sudden i can say i own. The cheater has a linear growth pattern, and an inevitable early plateau. Not only that, once they reach this echelon, their learning curve takes a turn for the worse. They stagnate, and sometimes even get worse. The natural learner almost never loses his innate skills, short of not practicing for long durations of time.I went to a mini-lan a couple of months ago at some guys house, and just for shits and giggles i fired up quake2. The very first random server i joined, an OPX-Tourney mod (or whatever it's called) with players i could immediately recognized as skilled, i won. I have not played the game in at least a year, maybe 2. Further more i hadnt even been there since the map started, i joined half way and stormed the map. I know for a fact im not as good as i used to be at that game, but nevertheless i was still impressed with myself. A cheater could never accomplish this. Therein lies the crutch. edit: ok you keep throwing in this mystical statement of "IF you learn how not to cheat yourself". This is an oxymoron however, for the moment you fire up that hack you are immediately unlearning the natural talents which will benefit you later on. Not to mention the whole paradoxical irony of it all, considering that it is not really YOU playing the game when you cheat, but rather the cheat adding many components for you. You are not even playing the same game, you have skewed into a tangent alternate timeline where players show themselves through walls and minerals dont exist. In order for you to even say "i am playing this game", only your physical body and the hardware required to make it execute can be in the equasion. | ||
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On January 03 2006 19:19 mitsy wrote: touchenewbsaiboot tries hard but is wrong, as always | ||
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mitsy
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On January 03 2006 19:11 NewbSaibot wrote: This holds about as much weight as saying using an auto-aim in your favorite FPS makes you better because it allows you to get the feel for the levels better. This is utter nonsense, because that same player who has to learn the maps and how to shoot on his own will be twice the player the bot is. Learning has an exponential curve. You may think youre doing better by progressing up the ranks quicker than someone who doesnt cheat, initially. But then the non-cheater has a turning point, and evolves at a sudden rapid rate once everything "clicks" for him. I see it all the time. I get to know somebody playing on my favorite server and i usually beat the shit out of them for a week or two. Then one day all the sudden they are 2-3 times better. I laugh because i remember the feeling myself, to wake up one morning, jump in, and all the sudden i can say i own. The cheater has a linear growth pattern, and an inevitable early plateau. Not only that, once they reach this echelon, their learning curve takes a turn for the worse. They stagnate, and sometimes even get worse. The natural learner almost never loses his innate skills, short of not practicing for long durations of time. i dont think this fits in with what i've said in this topic at all. i've said over and over that u do not solely cheat nor cheat to "appear" better but rather to learn _more quickly_ and that u must also play non-cheating and think like a non-cheater and what you would do with the hack off at all times. it simply makes you improve faster, have more time, learn more (as explained numerous times in past pages in this thread) edit: ok you keep throwing in this mystical statement of "IF you learn how not to cheat yourself". This is an oxymoron however, for the moment you fire up that hack you are immediately unlearning the natural talents which will benefit you later on. Not to mention the whole paradoxical irony of it all, considering that it is not really YOU playing the game when you cheat, but rather the cheat adding many components for you. You are not even playing the same game, you have skewed into a tangent alternate timeline where players show themselves through walls and minerals dont exist. In order for you to even say "i am playing this game", only your physical body and the hardware required to make it execute can be in the equasion. not a paradox. i think i explained adequately already that "not cheating yourself" means very specific things that i do lay out and give examples of. you can advance your knowledge and even your habits if you think right about them even if the hack is on (see earlier in the thread for examples of how to do this). it sounds to me like you're talking about a kind of hacker that i'm NOT. maybe this is because i wasn't clear enough in my earlier posts. but i did already respond to people sharing your misunderstanding already. | ||
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mitsy
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On January 02 2006 21:12 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: the problem is he always says the stupidest fucking things and makes the biggest deal out of the least important matters he stays 'in the rules' but its so fucking annoying because he's a retarded argumentative cunt congrats stimey another fakesteve post dedicated to you, another notch on the keyboard, another step closer to coveted internet fame. kill yourself. http://fakesteve.kigga.com/viewtopic.php?t=37&sid=750f1153ff2ff436f4d88639b042fb7d (important people sharing important points) | ||
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