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How did it take you to get Masters after diamond?

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pucca786
Profile Joined July 2011
20 Posts
May 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#1
OK so I've queued about 3000 games in total including team games, and after about 5 seasons I went from Bronze to Diamond, then I hit a brick wall and found major errors in my play such as scouting. After fixing this I got promoted to masters, but it was too much of a jump for me a couldn't handle the game-play difference, so I got demoted.

I wanted to know how many seasons did it take players who were diamond and what caused this change, i'd really appreciate this because i'm really struggling and my MMR is all over the place because of the amount of games I lose and win.

I really want to get masters its always been a goal for me, but my goals were crushed after i got demoted, its funny how blizzard call it "reclassified" to make it seem any better.

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-Debaser-
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 23:48:18
May 17 2012 23:45 GMT
#2
200ish over 2 weeks
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 17 2012 23:46 GMT
#3
Actually your MMR is the opposite to "all over the place" just because of how much you've played. The system is fairly sure of your skill, and your mmr wont change very drasticly.
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pucca786
Profile Joined July 2011
20 Posts
May 17 2012 23:48 GMT
#4
Nkr, thanks for your contribution but i disagree, when you queue alot of games you get drained alot and begin to get frustrated and go on massive lose streaks.
Selkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States530 Posts
May 17 2012 23:49 GMT
#5
About 50 games after I started cheesing
Vundox
Profile Joined March 2011
United States182 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 23:52:11
May 17 2012 23:51 GMT
#6
i started 6 pooling every game

*edit- 7 pool in zvz
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Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 00:01:24
May 17 2012 23:52 GMT
#7
1 year, was very inactive tho
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Ewic
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada121 Posts
May 17 2012 23:53 GMT
#8
Well, I had a background in Brood War before I started playing SC2, so right when Masters came out, I was promoted instantly.

My advice to you is to just keep practicing, and after each game, try to think of something you could have done differently, and attempt to do it differently in the next game you play. Eventually, you will make it! Good luck mate.
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Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
May 17 2012 23:53 GMT
#9
Suprisingly not that long. Then I let up on practicing and dropped back down and have yet to get back up since the beginning of this season. I think that this shows that you not only have to get better but you have to keep getting better faster then average if you want to keep moving up.
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StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
May 17 2012 23:54 GMT
#10
Season 1 I played random and couldnt get past diamond. Then season 2 I chose toss, and have been masters since. What changed for me was learning actual builds and perfecting them.
I will not be poisoned by your bitterness
pucca786
Profile Joined July 2011
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 23:57:26
May 17 2012 23:55 GMT
#11
Thanks man, I'll keep that in mind, do you ever analyse your replays, because i try but even when you can detect your flaws its extremely difficult to change or expect.
Gl!tch
Profile Joined December 2010
United States573 Posts
May 18 2012 00:05 GMT
#12
I was already in diamond when they came out with masters league, so I got in within a week or two. Since then though I have been demoted twice and gotten back into masters twice (I blame finals and such) and from each time I got demoted I would say it took around 50 games to get back in (The last 20-30 or so were against almost all masters).
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Vallz
Profile Joined March 2011
41 Posts
May 18 2012 00:05 GMT
#13
To be perfectly honest, it took me longer plat -> dia then dia -> masters.

Dia -> Masters took me 2 weeks while I was stuck in high plat for ages :/
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 00:09:13
May 18 2012 00:08 GMT
#14
Some months of consistent 1v1 training (3-6h / week)
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
May 18 2012 00:09 GMT
#15
2 months from bronze to master and 2 weeks from diamond to master. around 250 games.
MercilessMonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada150 Posts
May 18 2012 00:11 GMT
#16
On May 18 2012 08:46 nkr wrote:
Actually your MMR is the opposite to "all over the place" just because of how much you've played. The system is fairly sure of your skill, and your mmr wont change very drasticly.


Very incorrect. Your MMR changes a lot with every game and can change fairly drastically on streaks. See:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332391
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
May 18 2012 00:12 GMT
#17
about 150 games
501TFX
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria345 Posts
May 18 2012 00:16 GMT
#18
I needed a looong time (because of basically no prior PC game experience)

About a year (of active playing, with breaks) to get to high diamond (from bronze) and 3 - 4 months to masters. I got demoted 2 times already, until I found the right mindset to play this game actually. Suddenly masters isn't that much of a grudge anymore. (Yep, I'm right now in the third try of masters)

I think it's all about the mindset, not about the actual game. If you play always in a good mood, if you try to be friendly, and take losses with a good laugh and deep thought of what you actually could do better (I'm not using the term "what went wrong" because I want to try to stay positive in any way), a totally new level opens for you. Atleast that's what I'm experiencing ...
Never let your dreams fade, run after them, run until you get them !
Lifter
Profile Joined April 2011
United States126 Posts
May 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#19
I'm not a masters player myself, but you should probably look for a high masters player on Bnet to go over your replays and analyze them with you.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
May 18 2012 00:23 GMT
#20
Once you figure out the basics you'll be masters.

There's too many players who are have too much pride in their play and don't realize how flawed it is. I see so many players who just don't have their fundamentals down.
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BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 00:27:59
May 18 2012 00:25 GMT
#21
It's not about investing a certain amount of time or playing a certain amount of games. It's not even about getting promoted to a higher league (the average skill of all leagues has been moving with time). What is important is that you are improving. How fast you improve will be up to you. Grinding games will probably be best for players who lack mechanics, but everyone, including masters players, can improve by looking at the logic of all aspects of their play. Everything can be improved from general strategy to which gas you take as your first gas on a specific map in a specific match up.

For example I spent a while looking at replays to decide in PvP I wanted to take the close ramp gas on Antiga Shipyard first because it can give me vision close to the ramp earlier, cannot be stolen for vision during a cannon rush, and if I go for any zealot stalker or 3 stalker openning I can usually chase the probe out and take my 2nd gas sooner. Also I can deny the scouting of a 2nd gas if they poke up the ramp.

It is just an example of how you can improve the way you think of improving, but most people convince themselves they understand what they are doing and dig themselves into a hole. You can practice a billion games but if you aren't actively getting better then you won't be improving fast enough for a fast promotion.
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Hurricaned
Profile Joined October 2011
France126 Posts
May 18 2012 00:26 GMT
#22
humm half a year to get from bronze to diamond then three months to get into master
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3487 Posts
May 18 2012 00:26 GMT
#23
I've found that i have much higher winrates, if i play in long streches rather than few games each day.
You always get promoted/demoted, when you least suspect it, so don't ask yourself, will i get promoted after each game :D
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Xova
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
May 18 2012 00:27 GMT
#24
It took me about 3 months to go from Diaomond to Masters, even then I was getting crushed when I got promoted. I just kept on playing and eventually got a lot better, watching replays and streams and reading some guides on TL.

Granted I'm not high masters yet, only rank 22 atm, but just putting in time made me better.
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Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
May 18 2012 00:31 GMT
#25
I wish I could answer this. I play masters and win ALLLLL the time. I am evenly matched against rank 30-20 masters and even win against those guys about 50/50 and I'm still not promoted. I've grinded my ass off this season, but I cannot get promoted for the life of me.
Geos13
Profile Joined May 2011
437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 00:52:16
May 18 2012 00:35 GMT
#26
I was new to these games when I started and it took me about 8 months to get to diamond from bronze and I have now been stuck in Diamond for about 6 months. I feel like I have been improving though so I'm happy.

Edit: I feel I should mention that I posted because so many of the posts are from people who easily got into Masters. I think a question like this is going to naturally attract people who easily swept through while people who struggled/are struggling are less likely to reply. Congrats to people who got into Masters fast but I just wanted to add some perspective. Improve at your own rate and just be happy with getting better.
FuRRyChoBo
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States218 Posts
May 18 2012 00:38 GMT
#27
about 4 days/10-12 hours
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 00:40:23
May 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#28
total of about 320 games. gold to diamond in 2 days as protoss. then switched to zerg a few weeks after. but i was already at around 250-280 games before master came out.
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Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
May 18 2012 00:40 GMT
#29
got to masters in season 2 after like 3-4 games. (Obviously my mmr was high enough from season 1.)

I would say I played about 100 games ladder games total to get it. But I have RTS (brood war) experience.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
May 18 2012 00:41 GMT
#30
How can you tell that it was such a big jump for you when the system queues you with similar skilled players?

The difference between high diamond and low master is just an arbitrary benchmark that Blizzard implemented, it's not like there's a big difference between those two skill levels.

Sounds more like a mindset problem than an actual skill problem.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
May 18 2012 00:42 GMT
#31
On May 18 2012 08:46 nkr wrote:
Actually your MMR is the opposite to "all over the place" just because of how much you've played. The system is fairly sure of your skill, and your mmr wont change very drasticly.


I would argue the opposite, whenever I lose a game on my high diamond account in korea, I feel like it takes me from masters players back down to middling diamonds again.

As to OP's question, on NA I spent 1.5 seasons as diamond. In diamond I probably played ~250 games.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
May 18 2012 00:53 GMT
#32
I was diamond for season 1 and have stayed masters since then. I've been in eSports for a while and have coached wc3 and sc2.
I haven't been involved in sc2 for a long time, but I'm pretty sure things are the same now as they were before.

If you want to be a 'masters' player, you simply need to have good enough mechanics. You have to have decent enough knowledge to perform 2-3 strats effectively, you have to be able to not skip out on building workers and units (don't miss warp-in's if you're toss, don't miss injects if you're zerg, don't idle production if you're terran). Scout regularly, it doesn't even have to be miraculous scouting, just basic scouting like did your zerg opponent 15 hatch or is he 20+ food with no hatch zomg. If vs toss scout for pylons etc.

Only thing you need for Masters play, is solid enough mechanics. The jump to Grandmasters is much more difficult and involves more APM, but to compete at the Masters level, just work on all of the little things.
Watch your replays and notice how long your production cycles are idle (injects, warpins etc). Do you constantly have a probe on the field ready to place a pylon? How is your creep spread? Are you harassing frequently enough? Did you let your opponent double expand for free?
These are things you should be looking for to improve your play. Micro becomes much more effective after your mechanics are solid. Bad mechanics means Micro will not win you games.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 18 2012 00:53 GMT
#33
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