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OK so I've queued about 3000 games in total including team games, and after about 5 seasons I went from Bronze to Diamond, then I hit a brick wall and found major errors in my play such as scouting. After fixing this I got promoted to masters, but it was too much of a jump for me a couldn't handle the game-play difference, so I got demoted.
I wanted to know how many seasons did it take players who were diamond and what caused this change, i'd really appreciate this because i'm really struggling and my MMR is all over the place because of the amount of games I lose and win.
I really want to get masters its always been a goal for me, but my goals were crushed after i got demoted, its funny how blizzard call it "reclassified" to make it seem any better.
-.- , PS- No Trolls , Peace out GG
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Actually your MMR is the opposite to "all over the place" just because of how much you've played. The system is fairly sure of your skill, and your mmr wont change very drasticly.
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Nkr, thanks for your contribution but i disagree, when you queue alot of games you get drained alot and begin to get frustrated and go on massive lose streaks.
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About 50 games after I started cheesing
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i started 6 pooling every game
*edit- 7 pool in zvz
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1 year, was very inactive tho
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Well, I had a background in Brood War before I started playing SC2, so right when Masters came out, I was promoted instantly.
My advice to you is to just keep practicing, and after each game, try to think of something you could have done differently, and attempt to do it differently in the next game you play. Eventually, you will make it! Good luck mate.
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Suprisingly not that long. Then I let up on practicing and dropped back down and have yet to get back up since the beginning of this season. I think that this shows that you not only have to get better but you have to keep getting better faster then average if you want to keep moving up.
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Season 1 I played random and couldnt get past diamond. Then season 2 I chose toss, and have been masters since. What changed for me was learning actual builds and perfecting them.
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Thanks man, I'll keep that in mind, do you ever analyse your replays, because i try but even when you can detect your flaws its extremely difficult to change or expect.
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I was already in diamond when they came out with masters league, so I got in within a week or two. Since then though I have been demoted twice and gotten back into masters twice (I blame finals and such) and from each time I got demoted I would say it took around 50 games to get back in (The last 20-30 or so were against almost all masters).
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To be perfectly honest, it took me longer plat -> dia then dia -> masters.
Dia -> Masters took me 2 weeks while I was stuck in high plat for ages :/
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Some months of consistent 1v1 training (3-6h / week)
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2 months from bronze to master and 2 weeks from diamond to master. around 250 games.
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On May 18 2012 08:46 nkr wrote: Actually your MMR is the opposite to "all over the place" just because of how much you've played. The system is fairly sure of your skill, and your mmr wont change very drasticly.
Very incorrect. Your MMR changes a lot with every game and can change fairly drastically on streaks. See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332391
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I needed a looong time (because of basically no prior PC game experience)
About a year (of active playing, with breaks) to get to high diamond (from bronze) and 3 - 4 months to masters. I got demoted 2 times already, until I found the right mindset to play this game actually. Suddenly masters isn't that much of a grudge anymore. (Yep, I'm right now in the third try of masters)
I think it's all about the mindset, not about the actual game. If you play always in a good mood, if you try to be friendly, and take losses with a good laugh and deep thought of what you actually could do better (I'm not using the term "what went wrong" because I want to try to stay positive in any way), a totally new level opens for you. Atleast that's what I'm experiencing ...
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I'm not a masters player myself, but you should probably look for a high masters player on Bnet to go over your replays and analyze them with you.
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Once you figure out the basics you'll be masters.
There's too many players who are have too much pride in their play and don't realize how flawed it is. I see so many players who just don't have their fundamentals down.
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It's not about investing a certain amount of time or playing a certain amount of games. It's not even about getting promoted to a higher league (the average skill of all leagues has been moving with time). What is important is that you are improving. How fast you improve will be up to you. Grinding games will probably be best for players who lack mechanics, but everyone, including masters players, can improve by looking at the logic of all aspects of their play. Everything can be improved from general strategy to which gas you take as your first gas on a specific map in a specific match up.
For example I spent a while looking at replays to decide in PvP I wanted to take the close ramp gas on Antiga Shipyard first because it can give me vision close to the ramp earlier, cannot be stolen for vision during a cannon rush, and if I go for any zealot stalker or 3 stalker openning I can usually chase the probe out and take my 2nd gas sooner. Also I can deny the scouting of a 2nd gas if they poke up the ramp.
It is just an example of how you can improve the way you think of improving, but most people convince themselves they understand what they are doing and dig themselves into a hole. You can practice a billion games but if you aren't actively getting better then you won't be improving fast enough for a fast promotion.
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humm half a year to get from bronze to diamond then three months to get into master
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I've found that i have much higher winrates, if i play in long streches rather than few games each day. You always get promoted/demoted, when you least suspect it, so don't ask yourself, will i get promoted after each game :D
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It took me about 3 months to go from Diaomond to Masters, even then I was getting crushed when I got promoted. I just kept on playing and eventually got a lot better, watching replays and streams and reading some guides on TL.
Granted I'm not high masters yet, only rank 22 atm, but just putting in time made me better.
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I wish I could answer this. I play masters and win ALLLLL the time. I am evenly matched against rank 30-20 masters and even win against those guys about 50/50 and I'm still not promoted. I've grinded my ass off this season, but I cannot get promoted for the life of me.
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I was new to these games when I started and it took me about 8 months to get to diamond from bronze and I have now been stuck in Diamond for about 6 months. I feel like I have been improving though so I'm happy.
Edit: I feel I should mention that I posted because so many of the posts are from people who easily got into Masters. I think a question like this is going to naturally attract people who easily swept through while people who struggled/are struggling are less likely to reply. Congrats to people who got into Masters fast but I just wanted to add some perspective. Improve at your own rate and just be happy with getting better.
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total of about 320 games. gold to diamond in 2 days as protoss. then switched to zerg a few weeks after. but i was already at around 250-280 games before master came out.
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got to masters in season 2 after like 3-4 games. (Obviously my mmr was high enough from season 1.)
I would say I played about 100 games ladder games total to get it. But I have RTS (brood war) experience.
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How can you tell that it was such a big jump for you when the system queues you with similar skilled players?
The difference between high diamond and low master is just an arbitrary benchmark that Blizzard implemented, it's not like there's a big difference between those two skill levels.
Sounds more like a mindset problem than an actual skill problem.
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On May 18 2012 08:46 nkr wrote: Actually your MMR is the opposite to "all over the place" just because of how much you've played. The system is fairly sure of your skill, and your mmr wont change very drasticly.
I would argue the opposite, whenever I lose a game on my high diamond account in korea, I feel like it takes me from masters players back down to middling diamonds again.
As to OP's question, on NA I spent 1.5 seasons as diamond. In diamond I probably played ~250 games.
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I was diamond for season 1 and have stayed masters since then. I've been in eSports for a while and have coached wc3 and sc2. I haven't been involved in sc2 for a long time, but I'm pretty sure things are the same now as they were before.
If you want to be a 'masters' player, you simply need to have good enough mechanics. You have to have decent enough knowledge to perform 2-3 strats effectively, you have to be able to not skip out on building workers and units (don't miss warp-in's if you're toss, don't miss injects if you're zerg, don't idle production if you're terran). Scout regularly, it doesn't even have to be miraculous scouting, just basic scouting like did your zerg opponent 15 hatch or is he 20+ food with no hatch zomg. If vs toss scout for pylons etc.
Only thing you need for Masters play, is solid enough mechanics. The jump to Grandmasters is much more difficult and involves more APM, but to compete at the Masters level, just work on all of the little things. Watch your replays and notice how long your production cycles are idle (injects, warpins etc). Do you constantly have a probe on the field ready to place a pylon? How is your creep spread? Are you harassing frequently enough? Did you let your opponent double expand for free? These are things you should be looking for to improve your play. Micro becomes much more effective after your mechanics are solid. Bad mechanics means Micro will not win you games.
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