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On May 02 2012 18:07 sc14s wrote:
ANNNND you didn't explain anything. I really hate when people do this. If you don't agree with an issue you dont fucking troll by posting a stupid ass picture.
My edit nothwithstanding, I'm pretty sure the image clearly explains that while adults hitting adults is against the law, adults hitting children is seen as 'discipline', and this makes no logical sense.
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On May 02 2012 18:01 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 17:54 Crushinator wrote:On May 02 2012 17:50 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:40 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. I think the saddest part about the story is that it might encourage a parent to hurt their child. I listened to the sermon's audio via the link in the OP. The transcript the OP provided doesn't really convey the true meaning of what the preacher was trying to say. I don't agree with the word choice he went with to get his message across, but I also didn't get the impression that he is advocating parents "hurt" their children. I can't remember exactly how it goes, but speech(?) is more about how you say it (body language, tone of voice, etc) than what you say. I personally have never sat in Church and heard a preacher say that parents, or anyone else, should harm anyone for anything be it physically or psychologically. He clearly tells them to punch their kids for behaving gay. There is no ambiguity there. What point are you trying to make here? I think you are missing the point, its on the level of spanking a kid for doing something wrong, which again is something that not all people agree on nowadays (corporal punishment). Personally if you need to know my opinion corporal punishment is okay to an extent that you need negative reinforcement for something that is merits the case (your child using physical violence against someone else, stealing when he/she knows its wrong ect..) I would say "punching" him in the literal sense would be wrong i.e laying him flat, but the punch the pastor meant was like a punch on the shoulder.. hardly actual physical abuse. Not that i am advocating negatively reinforcing being gay since its something you are born with and is not something that you can teach people out of. edit: just to get rid of the ambiguity what i mean by acceptable corporal punishment would be a spanking or forcing them to eat a bar of soap ect..
I hate to be that guy who argues semantics... who am I kidding? I love to be that guy!
Anyways:
would say "punching" him in the literal sense would be wrong i.e laying him flat, but the punch the pastor meant was like a punch on the shoulder.. hardly actual physical abuse.
Think about what you're trying to accomplish with that punch though, why would you punch someone, let alone a kid, to begin with? As you stated you're trying to introduce negative reinforcement, and I doubt a playful punch on the shoulder would make any kid reevaluate anything. You'd have to punch them hard enough or enough times to get their attention, to cause pain (even slightly). It's being dumbed down because NOBODY wants to be the "monster" who recommends child abuse, but at the end of the day you're advocating causing pain to a child via punching them to turn them away from the homosexual lifestyle.
Seems to me like fighting a war on drugs by having sex with the wives of all the drug dealers.
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On May 02 2012 18:09 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 18:01 sc14s wrote:On May 02 2012 17:54 Crushinator wrote:On May 02 2012 17:50 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:40 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. I think the saddest part about the story is that it might encourage a parent to hurt their child. I listened to the sermon's audio via the link in the OP. The transcript the OP provided doesn't really convey the true meaning of what the preacher was trying to say. I don't agree with the word choice he went with to get his message across, but I also didn't get the impression that he is advocating parents "hurt" their children. I can't remember exactly how it goes, but speech(?) is more about how you say it (body language, tone of voice, etc) than what you say. I personally have never sat in Church and heard a preacher say that parents, or anyone else, should harm anyone for anything be it physically or psychologically. He clearly tells them to punch their kids for behaving gay. There is no ambiguity there. What point are you trying to make here? I think you are missing the point, its on the level of spanking a kid for doing something wrong, which again is something that not all people agree on nowadays (corporal punishment). Personally if you need to know my opinion corporal punishment is okay to an extent that you need negative reinforcement for something that is merits the case (your child using physical violence against someone else, stealing when he/she knows its wrong ect..) I would say "punching" him in the literal sense would be wrong i.e laying him flat, but the punch the pastor meant was like a punch on the shoulder.. hardly actual physical abuse. Not that i am advocating negatively reinforcing being gay since its something you are born with and is not something that you can teach people out of. You seem to be very specific about what the pastor meant. That is a bit odd. Personally, I don't think corporal punishment is ever ok, it is lazy, barbaric, unnecessary and mostly counter-productive. So that does color my opinion on this, I think using violence to change a person's fundamental nature is outright evil.
How is that a bit odd? it seems to me like that's what he meant when i listened to it.
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On May 02 2012 17:48 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 17:41 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:38 Kenshin_915 wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. Hundreds/thousands/millions of people will look at this and say "HA! Christians are hateful bigots." Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate gay people. I don't think children should be physically abused for gay tendencies. I do believe that living a Gay lifestyle is a sin, but I have plenty of tendencies and behaviors myself that are sinful.
Hating and/or physically abusing Gay people is not what God and the Christian faith are about. So please, address the man and the issue, but do not lump all Christians into the same group as him. Yeah, I guess subtle, lifelong psycological abuse will just have to do. But ya' know, "hate the sin love the sinner etc etc." But the problem is, being gay isn't a lifestyle, as much as being straight is a lifestyle. It's normal. But hey, screw all the evidence that says so... I'm really sorry, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not advocating "subtle, lifelong psychological abuse." How did you arrive at the conclusion that I think that would be appropriate? He probably means referring to a perfectly normal lifestyle choice as sinful and threatening them with eternal torture for it. It may look acceptable to you but from the outside it fits the definition of abuse.
Come on, guys, just cause you brought out your pitch forks doesn't mean you have to stab any christian with them.
He likens a "gay lifestyle" to a sin, which I have to disagree with, but also makes it clear that many things are a sin to him - including some of his own behavior. Many christians view life like that - see human behavior as an endless struggle against sinful nature and ask for the forgivenes of their god who will love them any way. He may view homosexuality as a sin like a lie is a sin.
Do this mean he would mistreat a gay son? Hopefully not, as he probably wouldn't scorn a lying child. If he would take actions to make his son live a different lifestyle - you can openly disagree and disrespect that, but he hasn't said anything of that nature yet.
Also, we should bear in mind that it is a relatively new thing that homosexually is viewed as normal. We cannot expect every member of our society to suddenly agree and we have no right to tell people what to think. We can of course try to shield children from abuse, but certainly not from the directions given by loving parents who have other priorities than us. After all, most good parents have at one point or other in the upbringing of their children tried to push these children in a certain direction. Luckily children don't always do as their parents would like. As long as he isn't hurting his children it isn't our business.
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Why did this cunt get to become a preacher? I mean if I was one I'd sure as hell want this nutcase out off my team cause he'd be making me look bad.
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Just know that because a Pastor says these things it is not what Jesus taught. If someone could point me to a place in the New Testament where Jesus advocated physically harming another person for their sins please let me know. Jesus in fact saved a woman who was going to be stoned to death for being caught in the act of adultery. If anything Jesus would be telling this Pastor NOT to hard the children but instead pray for them.
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On May 02 2012 18:12 hefty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 17:48 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:41 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:38 Kenshin_915 wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. Hundreds/thousands/millions of people will look at this and say "HA! Christians are hateful bigots." Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate gay people. I don't think children should be physically abused for gay tendencies. I do believe that living a Gay lifestyle is a sin, but I have plenty of tendencies and behaviors myself that are sinful.
Hating and/or physically abusing Gay people is not what God and the Christian faith are about. So please, address the man and the issue, but do not lump all Christians into the same group as him. Yeah, I guess subtle, lifelong psycological abuse will just have to do. But ya' know, "hate the sin love the sinner etc etc." But the problem is, being gay isn't a lifestyle, as much as being straight is a lifestyle. It's normal. But hey, screw all the evidence that says so... I'm really sorry, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not advocating "subtle, lifelong psychological abuse." How did you arrive at the conclusion that I think that would be appropriate? He probably means referring to a perfectly normal lifestyle choice as sinful and threatening them with eternal torture for it. It may look acceptable to you but from the outside it fits the definition of abuse. Come on, guys, just cause you brought out your pitch forks doesn't mean you have to stab any christian with them. He likens a "gay lifestyle" to a sin, which I have to disagree with, but also makes it clear that many things are a sin to him - including some of his own behavior. Many christians view life like that - see human behavior as an endless struggle against sinful nature and ask for the forgivenes of their god who will love them any way. He may view homosexuality as a sin like a lie is a sin. Do this mean he would mistreat a gay son? Hopefully not, as he probably wouldn't scorn a lying child. If he would take actions to make his son live a different lifestyle - you can openly disagree and disrespect that, but he hasn't said anything of that nature yet. Also, we should bear in mind that it is a relatively new thing that homosexually is viewed as normal. We cannot expect every member of our society to suddenly agree and we have no right to tell people what to think. We can of course try to shield children from abuse, but certainly not from the directions given by loving parents who have other priorities than us. After all, most good parents have at one point or other in the upbringing of their children tried to push these children in a certain direction. Luckily children don't always do as their parents would like. As long as he isn't hurting his children it isn't our business.
Where's the part where he said a straight lifestyle will be as sinful as a gay one?
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On May 02 2012 18:10 Asrathiel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 18:07 sc14s wrote:
ANNNND you didn't explain anything. I really hate when people do this. If you don't agree with an issue you dont fucking troll by posting a stupid ass picture. My edit nothwithstanding, I'm pretty sure the image clearly explains that while adults hitting adults is against the law, adults hitting children is seen as 'discipline', and this makes no logical sense.
Actually it does in the fact that they understand after getting spanked what they did was wrong, It conveys in the strongest of sense (pain) that something is wrong so you should not be doing it. How do you learn things are right and wrong as a child? trial and error- the right things get you positive results (generally) and wrong things get you negative results (i.e you are in the kitchen and touch your finger on the hot stove *OW* it burns gee mayby i shouldn't be touching the stove in the firstplace when it is on)
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On May 02 2012 17:58 ChriS-X wrote:
i am a christian and i find this both ridiculous and sad
Pretty much in the same boat as you...the ultra-radical and incredibly loud ones get the attention though. Unfortunately it reflects poorly on everyone else who is Christian. People who have unfathomably ignorant and intolerant views like this pastor are embarrassing to me personally as a Christian. It's not even about hating the sin but loving the sinner in this case. Even if you believe that homosexuality is a sin, it's no more a sin than running that stop sign in your neighborhood because no one was up at 3am to see you do it. That's possibly one of the most trivial things you could do but nevertheless you're doing something that you shouldn't. These crazy people making homosexuality out to be something worth mentioning more than greed or lust is stupid...it ludicrous to prioritize anything in the realm of sin anyway.
Him and others like him make me mad because they tarnish the Church's image more than anyone else. I apologize for this kind of stuff...this isn't what Christianity is based off of but it seems to be some zealous cause to pick up if you're an extremist.
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On May 02 2012 17:40 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. I think the saddest part about the story is that it might encourage a parent to hurt their child.
It's always that isn't it? Just like the hassle caused for the Catholic church is the worst consequence of priests raping children by the thousands per the current Pope. Such a hardship being the privileged majority. 
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6 months he's found in a seedy motel with his pool boy. Calling it now.
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On May 02 2012 18:15 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 18:12 hefty wrote:On May 02 2012 17:48 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:41 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:38 Kenshin_915 wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. Hundreds/thousands/millions of people will look at this and say "HA! Christians are hateful bigots." Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate gay people. I don't think children should be physically abused for gay tendencies. I do believe that living a Gay lifestyle is a sin, but I have plenty of tendencies and behaviors myself that are sinful.
Hating and/or physically abusing Gay people is not what God and the Christian faith are about. So please, address the man and the issue, but do not lump all Christians into the same group as him. Yeah, I guess subtle, lifelong psycological abuse will just have to do. But ya' know, "hate the sin love the sinner etc etc." But the problem is, being gay isn't a lifestyle, as much as being straight is a lifestyle. It's normal. But hey, screw all the evidence that says so... I'm really sorry, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not advocating "subtle, lifelong psychological abuse." How did you arrive at the conclusion that I think that would be appropriate? He probably means referring to a perfectly normal lifestyle choice as sinful and threatening them with eternal torture for it. It may look acceptable to you but from the outside it fits the definition of abuse. Come on, guys, just cause you brought out your pitch forks doesn't mean you have to stab any christian with them. He likens a "gay lifestyle" to a sin, which I have to disagree with, but also makes it clear that many things are a sin to him - including some of his own behavior. Many christians view life like that - see human behavior as an endless struggle against sinful nature and ask for the forgivenes of their god who will love them any way. He may view homosexuality as a sin like a lie is a sin. Do this mean he would mistreat a gay son? Hopefully not, as he probably wouldn't scorn a lying child. If he would take actions to make his son live a different lifestyle - you can openly disagree and disrespect that, but he hasn't said anything of that nature yet. Also, we should bear in mind that it is a relatively new thing that homosexually is viewed as normal. We cannot expect every member of our society to suddenly agree and we have no right to tell people what to think. We can of course try to shield children from abuse, but certainly not from the directions given by loving parents who have other priorities than us. After all, most good parents have at one point or other in the upbringing of their children tried to push these children in a certain direction. Luckily children don't always do as their parents would like. As long as he isn't hurting his children it isn't our business. Where's the part where he said a straight lifestyle will be as sinful as a gay one?
Sin isn't weighted in the eyes of God. Its not -5 points for murder, -3 points for stealing, -2 points for being gay, +20 points for not being gay. Sin is Sin and we all have it, including myself.
My heterosexual lifestyle does not make me less sinful than someone living a gay lifestyle.
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On May 02 2012 18:09 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 17:56 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:50 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:40 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. I think the saddest part about the story is that it might encourage a parent to hurt their child. I listened to the sermon's audio via the link in the OP. The transcript the OP provided doesn't really convey the true meaning of what the preacher was trying to say. I don't agree with the word choice he went with to get his message across, but I also didn't get the impression that he is advocating parents "hurt" their children. I can't remember exactly how it goes, but speech(?) is more about how you say it (body language, tone of voice, etc) than what you say. I personally have never sat in Church and heard a preacher say that parents, or anyone else, should harm anyone for anything be it physically or psychologically. I don't understand you clearly. Are you saying that you listened to the sermon and the transcript is a fabrication? Or that the transcript is accurate but shouldn't be taken literally? Or you just listened to a small part and concluded that he probably wouldn't advocate child abuse? I listened to the 1m41s audio excerpt of the sermon found in the source link of the OP. The transcript in the OP is accurate. I did not think the preacher was advocating child abuse. If I were to write on this forum, "I hate cats" it would be logical to assume that I do indeed hate cats. However, there are many, many different ways for me to verbally say "I hate cats" that would give you the impression that I really don't hate cats. That's probably a terrible example that only makes sense in my own mind, but I hope you can interpret what I'm trying to get across ^^
I actually went ahead and listened to the audio and have to disagree. It wasn't clear at all if he was kidding or not. I can see someone seeing this as literal advice. And if I was a gay child listening to it live, I'd be scared shitless.
As others have pointed out your perception is distorted. You can't accept that a preacher would say that hurting children is ok. Which is strange because you are ok with hurting children in your own way (i.e telling them that they are sinful and unless they are prepared to suppress their most basic urges throughout their life they will suffer eternal torture as punishment.)
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On May 02 2012 18:22 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 18:15 Roe wrote:On May 02 2012 18:12 hefty wrote:On May 02 2012 17:48 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:41 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:38 Kenshin_915 wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. Hundreds/thousands/millions of people will look at this and say "HA! Christians are hateful bigots." Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate gay people. I don't think children should be physically abused for gay tendencies. I do believe that living a Gay lifestyle is a sin, but I have plenty of tendencies and behaviors myself that are sinful.
Hating and/or physically abusing Gay people is not what God and the Christian faith are about. So please, address the man and the issue, but do not lump all Christians into the same group as him. Yeah, I guess subtle, lifelong psycological abuse will just have to do. But ya' know, "hate the sin love the sinner etc etc." But the problem is, being gay isn't a lifestyle, as much as being straight is a lifestyle. It's normal. But hey, screw all the evidence that says so... I'm really sorry, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not advocating "subtle, lifelong psychological abuse." How did you arrive at the conclusion that I think that would be appropriate? He probably means referring to a perfectly normal lifestyle choice as sinful and threatening them with eternal torture for it. It may look acceptable to you but from the outside it fits the definition of abuse. Come on, guys, just cause you brought out your pitch forks doesn't mean you have to stab any christian with them. He likens a "gay lifestyle" to a sin, which I have to disagree with, but also makes it clear that many things are a sin to him - including some of his own behavior. Many christians view life like that - see human behavior as an endless struggle against sinful nature and ask for the forgivenes of their god who will love them any way. He may view homosexuality as a sin like a lie is a sin. Do this mean he would mistreat a gay son? Hopefully not, as he probably wouldn't scorn a lying child. If he would take actions to make his son live a different lifestyle - you can openly disagree and disrespect that, but he hasn't said anything of that nature yet. Also, we should bear in mind that it is a relatively new thing that homosexually is viewed as normal. We cannot expect every member of our society to suddenly agree and we have no right to tell people what to think. We can of course try to shield children from abuse, but certainly not from the directions given by loving parents who have other priorities than us. After all, most good parents have at one point or other in the upbringing of their children tried to push these children in a certain direction. Luckily children don't always do as their parents would like. As long as he isn't hurting his children it isn't our business. Where's the part where he said a straight lifestyle will be as sinful as a gay one? Sin isn't weighted in the eyes of God. Its not -5 points for murder, -3 points for stealing, -2 points for being gay, +20 points for not being gay. Sin is Sin and we all have it, including myself.
I'm pretty sure alot of Christians do consider some sins worse than others. The Catholic church for example has a pretty elaborate system of ranking the different sins in terms of severity.
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On May 02 2012 17:05 ScienceNotBusiness wrote:Show nested quote +
Unfortunately, people always have and always will pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow and which parts they don't. This is a case of people seeing the bible says that being "gay" is a sin to god and unnatural, and refuse to follow up on the part that says all people sin and they are forgiven.
I'm an agnostic and pretty anti-christian, it's plain and simple stupid people making other people look stupid
It's cute that you downplay it so hard, but the reality is is that these people are mentally insane, and contributing the insanity of our current and growing population, which chooses to obey their ignorant egoism of the refusal of modern day science in exchange for the peer pressure of modern and past day religion. What a fucking joke you people are.
I agree with you, but 95% of the USA is religious. The world-wide religion statistic is similar.
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On May 02 2012 18:22 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 18:15 Roe wrote:On May 02 2012 18:12 hefty wrote:On May 02 2012 17:48 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:41 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:38 Kenshin_915 wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. Hundreds/thousands/millions of people will look at this and say "HA! Christians are hateful bigots." Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate gay people. I don't think children should be physically abused for gay tendencies. I do believe that living a Gay lifestyle is a sin, but I have plenty of tendencies and behaviors myself that are sinful.
Hating and/or physically abusing Gay people is not what God and the Christian faith are about. So please, address the man and the issue, but do not lump all Christians into the same group as him. Yeah, I guess subtle, lifelong psycological abuse will just have to do. But ya' know, "hate the sin love the sinner etc etc." But the problem is, being gay isn't a lifestyle, as much as being straight is a lifestyle. It's normal. But hey, screw all the evidence that says so... I'm really sorry, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not advocating "subtle, lifelong psychological abuse." How did you arrive at the conclusion that I think that would be appropriate? He probably means referring to a perfectly normal lifestyle choice as sinful and threatening them with eternal torture for it. It may look acceptable to you but from the outside it fits the definition of abuse. Come on, guys, just cause you brought out your pitch forks doesn't mean you have to stab any christian with them. He likens a "gay lifestyle" to a sin, which I have to disagree with, but also makes it clear that many things are a sin to him - including some of his own behavior. Many christians view life like that - see human behavior as an endless struggle against sinful nature and ask for the forgivenes of their god who will love them any way. He may view homosexuality as a sin like a lie is a sin. Do this mean he would mistreat a gay son? Hopefully not, as he probably wouldn't scorn a lying child. If he would take actions to make his son live a different lifestyle - you can openly disagree and disrespect that, but he hasn't said anything of that nature yet. Also, we should bear in mind that it is a relatively new thing that homosexually is viewed as normal. We cannot expect every member of our society to suddenly agree and we have no right to tell people what to think. We can of course try to shield children from abuse, but certainly not from the directions given by loving parents who have other priorities than us. After all, most good parents have at one point or other in the upbringing of their children tried to push these children in a certain direction. Luckily children don't always do as their parents would like. As long as he isn't hurting his children it isn't our business. Where's the part where he said a straight lifestyle will be as sinful as a gay one? Sin isn't weighted in the eyes of God. Its not -5 points for murder, -3 points for stealing, -2 points for being gay, +20 points for not being gay. Sin is Sin and we all have it, including myself. My heterosexual lifestyle does not make me less sinful than someone living a gay lifestyle.
You didn't answer the question: why do you keep saying "the gay lifestyle is a sin" and not "the straight lifestyle is a sin" as well?
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Man that photo just SCREAMS Moral Orel.
A seemingly happy christian family with a lot of fucked up things behind closed doors.//
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I would recommend physical punishment to treat this pastor's stupidity.
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On May 02 2012 18:27 guN-viCe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 17:05 ScienceNotBusiness wrote:
Unfortunately, people always have and always will pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow and which parts they don't. This is a case of people seeing the bible says that being "gay" is a sin to god and unnatural, and refuse to follow up on the part that says all people sin and they are forgiven.
I'm an agnostic and pretty anti-christian, it's plain and simple stupid people making other people look stupid
It's cute that you downplay it so hard, but the reality is is that these people are mentally insane, and contributing the insanity of our current and growing population, which chooses to obey their ignorant egoism of the refusal of modern day science in exchange for the peer pressure of modern and past day religion. What a fucking joke you people are. I agree with you, but 95% of the USA is religious. The world-wide religion statistic is similar.
Where did you get those statistics, because after some research these numbers are wrong.
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On May 02 2012 16:28 Denzil wrote:
How many american states are this hardcore anti gay?
Depends. I would argue that every state in America has people who are anti-gay and homophobic. Especially in more rural areas. Obviously the number of people who feel this way is higher in certain areas of the US, especially the southeastern US and the midwest.
With that said, I lived in North Carolina for the vast majority of my life. I went to college there. In the cities homophobia isn't as prevalent as you'd think. Most people who are my age are generally more accepting of homosexuality and in America I think it's just a matter of waiting until the older generation dies out before homosexuality will be more accepted.
Also, there are ministers in America and likely every country who make sermons like this on a weekly basis. It's nothing new. Some people are just that close minded and will use religion to argue that their anti-gay sentiments aren't just them being assholes. I don't think most Christians realize how much pain they're causing with this ridiculous push against homosexuality. You could just as easily interpret the Bible to believe that drinking alcohol is a sin. Or that marrying someone who isn't the same race as you is a sin. And many Conservative Christians do interpret the Bible to believe that both things are sins. I don't know why homosexuality is singled out and opposed by such a large number of Christians when other, more dated "sins," are largely ignored by huge pockets of Christians.
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On May 02 2012 18:24 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 18:09 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:56 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:50 Joedaddy wrote:On May 02 2012 17:40 hypercube wrote:On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. I think the saddest part about the story is that it might encourage a parent to hurt their child. I listened to the sermon's audio via the link in the OP. The transcript the OP provided doesn't really convey the true meaning of what the preacher was trying to say. I don't agree with the word choice he went with to get his message across, but I also didn't get the impression that he is advocating parents "hurt" their children. I can't remember exactly how it goes, but speech(?) is more about how you say it (body language, tone of voice, etc) than what you say. I personally have never sat in Church and heard a preacher say that parents, or anyone else, should harm anyone for anything be it physically or psychologically. I don't understand you clearly. Are you saying that you listened to the sermon and the transcript is a fabrication? Or that the transcript is accurate but shouldn't be taken literally? Or you just listened to a small part and concluded that he probably wouldn't advocate child abuse? I listened to the 1m41s audio excerpt of the sermon found in the source link of the OP. The transcript in the OP is accurate. I did not think the preacher was advocating child abuse. If I were to write on this forum, "I hate cats" it would be logical to assume that I do indeed hate cats. However, there are many, many different ways for me to verbally say "I hate cats" that would give you the impression that I really don't hate cats. That's probably a terrible example that only makes sense in my own mind, but I hope you can interpret what I'm trying to get across ^^ I actually went ahead and listened to the audio and have to disagree. It wasn't clear at all if he was kidding or not. I can see someone seeing this as literal advice. And if I was a gay child listening to it live, I'd be scared shitless. As others have pointed out your perception is distorted. You can't accept that a preacher would say that hurting children is ok. Which is strange because you are ok with hurting children in your own way (i.e telling them that they are sinful and unless they are prepared to suppress their most basic urges throughout their life they will suffer eternal torture as punishment.)
Oh no. I absolutely believe that self described Christian preachers can and do say that hurting children (and people in general) is ok. I just did not get the impression that he literally meant for parents to punch their children. There's a lot of things about the sermon excerpt that I disagree with. I'm certainly not trying to defend what he said. I just feel like some of it is being sensationalized quite a lot.
I'm pretty sure alot of Christians do consider some sins worse than others. The Catholic church for example has a pretty elaborate system of ranking the different sins in terms of severity.
I'm not Catholic and I strongly disagree with their teachings, especially when it comes to sin, baptism, how you end up in Heaven or Hell, and Jesus.
You didn't answer the question: why do you keep saying "the gay lifestyle is a sin" and not "the straight lifestyle is a sin" as well?
I didn't say it because I don't believe a physical relationship between a man and a woman is a sin. I do however believe that a physical relationship between a man and another man (or a woman and another woman) is a sin.
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