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Sean Harris, a homophobic North Carolina preacher spoke in non-uncertain terms during his sermon about how to treat children exhibiting "gender-variant behavior". Among the things he suggests are hysically assaulting toddlers with "limp wrists," and punching children. Harris says that girls are ok to play sports, as long as they "attempt to look pretty." Harris maniacal sermon comes in the heels of North Carolina's Antigay Amendment One.
I have a few things that I want discussed about this. To be honest, I am one of those that are morally or philisophically vague about this isms - pro-gay, anti-gay, prolife, pro-abortion, etc. I don't really feel the need to stand of one side of the fence or the other. I feel that these are mere natural tensions that occur in a complex society and eventually will play out on what is really for the common good, as it has in most cases, such as with racism, semitism, etc (at least the vulgar part of it). Now on this story, the excessive nature of the preacher's methods is clear from the start, but I'd like to argue this on a purely moral standpoint. What if these antigay people feel so strongly about this issue that they feel the need to go to extreme measures to achieve their goal? Isn't it the same with most things, only that they are now the marginalized sector? Throughout history there are many cases of these, in the end what will count and be considered "humane" is who wins the moral battle.
The pastor
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Link to the audio file
http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/05/video-amendment1-pastor-gives-parents-special-dispensation-to-use-violence-against-lgbt-kids-4marriagenc.html
Transcript of the sermon
"So your little son starts to act a little girlish when he is four years old and instead of squashing that like a cockroach and saying, “Man up, son, get that dress off you and get outside and dig a ditch, because that is what boys do,” you get out the camera and you start taking pictures of Johnny acting like a female and then you upload it to YouTube and everybody laughs about it and the next thing you know, this dude, this kid is acting out childhood fantasies that should have been squashed.
Can I make it any clearer? Dads, the second you see your son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give him a good punch. Ok? You are not going to act like that. You were made by God to be a male and you are going to be a male. And when your daughter starts acting to Butch you reign her in. And you say, “Oh, no, sweetheart. You can play sports. Play them to the glory of God. But sometimes you are going to act like a girl and walk like a girl and talk like a girl and smell like a girl and that means you are going to be beautiful. You are going to be attractive. You are going to dress yourself up.”
You say, “Can I take charge like that as a parent?”
Yeah, you can. You are authorized. I just gave you a special dispensation this morning to do that."
Source:
http://www.fark.com/cgi/go.pl?i=7082155&s=1
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How many american states are this hardcore anti gay?
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On May 02 2012 16:28 Denzil wrote:
How many american states are this hardcore anti gay?
I wasn't aware this pastor was a state.
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On May 02 2012 16:28 Denzil wrote:
How many american states are this hardcore anti gay?
Pretty much all the states in the bible belt.
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I could never understand why people be anti-gay. What are they trying to protect the public from? Being gay is a part of reality, let the people live however they want lol. It's not like they will ass rape you in the ATM all of a sudden...
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There is something wrong with how you were informed about this issue if you think these "isms" are simply natural tensions. These are people's lives and dignities we are talking about.
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is this guy for real
enjoying penis is not a choice and it's not a learned behavior, though acting effeminate is
I suggest he learn the difference by spending a day limpwristed and spending the next having sex with men to figure it out
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So some radical christians doesn't like gays?????
But seriously, I will just leave this quote from the G-man
"I like your Christ. I do not like Christians. They are so unlike your Christ" - Gandhi
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Seriously I will never get it. What the hell the gays did bad? They just leave their life, with their sexuality. I think too many people think you choose to be gay, do you choose to be heterosexual? Is the sexual orientation of people that important?
I really don't get it and it makes me truly sad.
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On May 02 2012 16:35 TanTzoR wrote:
Seriously I will never get it. What the hell the gays did bad? They just leave their life, with their sexuality. I think too many people think you choose to be gay, do you choose to be heterosexual? Is the sexual orientation of people that important?
I really don't get it and it makes me truly sad.
Even if people DID choose to be gay, they have every right to make that choice. More power to them. That's liberty and freedom to pursue happiness.
Some people's beliefs are so fucking ridiculous 
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On May 02 2012 16:37 Meta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 16:35 TanTzoR wrote:
Seriously I will never get it. What the hell the gays did bad? They just leave their life, with their sexuality. I think too many people think you choose to be gay, do you choose to be heterosexual? Is the sexual orientation of people that important?
I really don't get it and it makes me truly sad.
Even if people DID choose to be gay, they have every right to make that choice. More power to them. That's liberty and freedom to pursue happiness. Some people's beliefs are so fucking ridiculous
Of course, but I think too many parents think be yelling at their son and telling him to "man up" he will become heterosexual. It's not how it works, the same way you can't make me become homosexual.
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I'm always hesitant to comment on these kinds of stories because my views are normally different from the majority of other posters. It's not even that the pastor is saying that being gay is necessarily bad (I'm sure he feels that way though), he's mostly saying that if you as a parent don't want your child to become gay then you should take some steps in order to prevent it. Similar to how you would discipline your child for undesirable behavior such as lying. Now, as to whether people are born gay, or they turn gay, or they choose to be gay, regardless of how that works, if the person is actually going to be gay then they will be. The pastor isn't advocating child abuse or anything like that, from his religious perspective he's voicing his opinion that parents are able to take measures to possibly prevent the undesired behavior. Now whether the parents even take action, and to what degree, that is different.
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On May 02 2012 16:41 KobyKat wrote:
I'm always hesitant to comment on these kinds of stories because my views are normally different from the majority of other posters. It's not even that the pastor is saying that being gay is necessarily bad (I'm sure he feels that way though), he's mostly saying that if you as a parent don't want your child to become gay then you should take some steps in order to prevent it. Similar to how you would discipline your child for undesirable behavior such as lying. Now, as to whether people are born gay, or they turn gay, or they choose to be gay, regardless of how that works, if the person is actually going to be gay then they will be. The pastor isn't advocating child abuse or anything like that, from his religious perspective he's voicing his opinion that parents are able to take measures to possibly prevent the undesired behavior. Now whether the parents even take action, and to what degree, that is different.
I agree with you. The article is quite sensationalized. He's just advocating traditional gender roles, and for parents to steer their kids to traditional gender roles. Sure it's old fashion, but it's not like he's advocating "physically assaulting toddlers" (talk about loaded language there) like the article wants us to believe.
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I don't understand why some people hate gay's so much it is not like they do anything bad to people.. If someone is gay so what? They were born that way and there is nothing wrong with that at all. I really fail to understand how someone can hate someone just for being gay.
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On May 02 2012 16:41 KobyKat wrote:
I'm always hesitant to comment on these kinds of stories because my views are normally different from the majority of other posters. It's not even that the pastor is saying that being gay is necessarily bad (I'm sure he feels that way though), he's mostly saying that if you as a parent don't want your child to become gay then you should take some steps in order to prevent it. Similar to how you would discipline your child for undesirable behavior such as lying. Now, as to whether people are born gay, or they turn gay, or they choose to be gay, regardless of how that works, if the person is actually going to be gay then they will be. The pastor isn't advocating child abuse or anything like that, from his religious perspective he's voicing his opinion that parents are able to take measures to possibly prevent the undesired behavior. Now whether the parents even take action, and to what degree, that is different.
I don't really follow you, "ow whether the parents even take action, and to what degree, that is different", what do you mean?
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Hardcore anti-gay speaker. Looks at critic. Christian. Big surprise.
Honestly, I never understood why a lot of Christians hate gay people. What did they ever do to them?
People are free to live their lives as they see fit (within reason, of course), and being gay sure as hell doesn't put anyone else at risk. Is it because it's "wrong"? Who said that? The Bible? Sorry, but that is about as subjective a source as can be.
You might think that it's wrong for your children to be gay, but that sure as hell doesn't justify violence, neither mental nor physical. And if you're thinking "He just means a little tap on the shoulder", then you're wrong. He says "A GOOD punch", which in my book, is pretty damn hard.
Let people become what they want to become, not what someone else wants them to be.
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my mom (christian) told me that she "loves" gays more than me (im straight, but for gay rights - im atheist) and thats why she votes against gay marriage etc, because she knows whats right for them and therefore loves them more
i said "wat"
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I'm kind of new here TanTzoR so I'm not sure how to quote you as a reply but what I meant is that the pastor supplied the parents with the information, he did not actually do anything. So now the parents will decide to either take action or not. Maybe they will do nothing, maybe they will take action to show their kid that those behaviors are not allowed in their home, but the option that I fear most is that a parent will go overboard with the punishment. It's clear the pastor is not advocating child abuse but a parent who is distressed about their kid possibly showing signs of being gay may overreact and take the punishment too far, much farther than the pastor would intend for them to take it. It will be unfortunate if a parent takes the punishment too far; unfortunate for the kid, for the parent, and also for the pastor because he may get some of the blame for suggesting any type of punishment for such behaviors.
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We Christians love gays, and so does Jesus. Though the bible is pretty clear that living your gayness is a sin, and no more a sin as any other sin like lying, stealing, cheating on your wife etc etc. God loves sinners, and he wants to help them.
This pastor is typical for many churches that put way to much emphasis on it, and hate it like anything else. The pastor need to realize that he is no better than anyone, and that he need to get some compassion and love with their dealing with people instead of all this hardness.
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