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On May 02 2012 16:49 KobyKat wrote:
I'm kind of new here TanTzoR so I'm not sure how to quote you as a reply but what I meant is that the pastor supplied the parents with the information, he did not actually do anything. So now the parents will decide to either take action or not. Maybe they will do nothing, maybe they will take action to show their kid that those behaviors are not allowed in their home, but the option that I fear most is that a parent will go overboard with the punishment. It's clear the pastor is not advocating child abuse but a parent who is distressed about their kid possibly showing signs of being gay may overreact and take the punishment too far, much farther than the pastor would intend for them to take it. It will be unfortunate if a parent takes the punishment too far; unfortunate for the kid, for the parent, and also for the pastor because he may get some of the blame for suggesting any type of punishment for such behaviors.
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On May 02 2012 16:49 KobyKat wrote:
It will be unfortunate if a parent takes the punishment too far; unfortunate for the kid, for the parent, and also for the pastor because he may get some of the blame for suggesting any type of punishment for such behaviors.
It's pretty outrageous to imply that encouraging parents to physically punish their children for acting 'gay' or 'butch' or anything like that is entirely acceptable as long as the punishment isn't taken 'too far'.
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On May 02 2012 16:48 Silidons wrote:
my mom (christian) told me that she "loves" gays more than me (im straight, but for gay rights - im atheist) and thats why she votes against gay marriage etc, because she knows whats right for them and therefore loves them more
i said "wat"
That's wrong on so many levels 
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the pic alone speaks for his insanity. and his wife...lol...
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Unfortunately, people always have and always will pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow and which parts they don't. This is a case of people seeing the bible says that being "gay" is a sin to god and unnatural, and refuse to follow up on the part that says all people sin and they are forgiven.
I'm an agnostic and pretty anti-christian, it's plain and simple stupid people making other people look stupid.
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Unfortunately, people always have and always will pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow and which parts they don't. This is a case of people seeing the bible says that being "gay" is a sin to god and unnatural, and refuse to follow up on the part that says all people sin and they are forgiven.
I'm an agnostic and pretty anti-christian, it's plain and simple stupid people making other people look stupid
It's cute that you downplay it so hard, but the reality is is that these people are mentally insane, and contributing the insanity of our current and growing population, which chooses to obey their ignorant egoism of the refusal of modern day science in exchange for the peer pressure of modern and past day religion. What a fucking joke you people are.
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On May 02 2012 16:48 Silidons wrote:
my mom (christian) told me that she "loves" gays more than me (im straight, but for gay rights - im atheist) and thats why she votes against gay marriage etc, because she knows whats right for them and therefore loves them more
i said "wat"
Hahaha, that's golden. Don't want to say anything else otherwise I'll just end up insulting!
The pastor seems deranged.
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On May 02 2012 16:41 KobyKat wrote:
I'm always hesitant to comment on these kinds of stories because my views are normally different from the majority of other posters. It's not even that the pastor is saying that being gay is necessarily bad (I'm sure he feels that way though), he's mostly saying that if you as a parent don't want your child to become gay then you should take some steps in order to prevent it. Similar to how you would discipline your child for undesirable behavior such as lying. Now, as to whether people are born gay, or they turn gay, or they choose to be gay, regardless of how that works, if the person is actually going to be gay then they will be. The pastor isn't advocating child abuse or anything like that, from his religious perspective he's voicing his opinion that parents are able to take measures to possibly prevent the undesired behavior. Now whether the parents even take action, and to what degree, that is different.
You're assuming here that one can actually "cure" homosexuality (cure between quotes since there's no actual illness). There is no evidence whatsoever that someone can just decide to become straight and feel the same attraction for the opposite sex that he/she used to feel for his/her own sex.
Why not just live and let live?
On a slightly less serious note: If I were to start a religion, I would preach that nutjobs like this pastor can be physically punished until they stop abusing the bible for their hate-speech.
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On May 02 2012 16:41 KobyKat wrote:
I'm always hesitant to comment on these kinds of stories because my views are normally different from the majority of other posters. It's not even that the pastor is saying that being gay is necessarily bad (I'm sure he feels that way though), he's mostly saying that if you as a parent don't want your child to become gay then you should take some steps in order to prevent it. Similar to how you would discipline your child for undesirable behavior such as lying. Now, as to whether people are born gay, or they turn gay, or they choose to be gay, regardless of how that works, if the person is actually going to be gay then they will be. The pastor isn't advocating child abuse or anything like that, from his religious perspective he's voicing his opinion that parents are able to take measures to possibly prevent the undesired behavior. Now whether the parents even take action, and to what degree, that is different.
He's advocating something that doesn't work and is harmful (physically and psychologically) to vulnerable children. Regardless of what justification you try to conjure up, it's not okay. Lying, seriously? "Holy shit, got smacked for lying. Better not lie anymore." vs. "Holy shit, got smacked for being myself. Better not be myself anymore." Yeah, that's similar.
There. Are. No. Steps. To. Prevent. Your. Child. From. Being. Gay.
Would you become homosexual if your parents smacked you around for being straight? No, you wouldn't. Maybe you'd repress your feelings and live your whole life in miserable denial...
This is almost as bad as the radio host who suggested "corrective" rape for a young lesbian.
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On May 02 2012 17:05 ScienceNotBusiness wrote:Show nested quote +
Unfortunately, people always have and always will pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow and which parts they don't. This is a case of people seeing the bible says that being "gay" is a sin to god and unnatural, and refuse to follow up on the part that says all people sin and they are forgiven.
I'm an agnostic and pretty anti-christian, it's plain and simple stupid people making other people look stupid
It's cute that you downplay it so hard, but the reality is is that these people are mentally insane, and contributing the insanity of our current and growing population, which chooses to obey their ignorant egoism of the refusal of modern day science in exchange for the peer pressure of modern and past day religion. What a fucking joke you people are.
Who the fuck are you calling you people?
I said right in my goddamn post I was agnostic and anti-christian. I ridicule retards like the pastor in the OP on a daily basis for the stupid things they do.
Read and understand before you start raging at somebody that actually agrees with you.
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A fool who either actually believes in what he's preaching or is just an attention whore, kind of like the other pastor who threatened to burn a Koran that sparked international riots.
Best thing we can do is ignore him and/or call child services if he has any children.
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Oh look, another nutjob that made the news.
Just remember he is part of a vocal, crazy minority.
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On May 02 2012 16:49 KobyKat wrote:
I'm kind of new here TanTzoR so I'm not sure how to quote you as a reply but what I meant is that the pastor supplied the parents with the information, he did not actually do anything. So now the parents will decide to either take action or not. Maybe they will do nothing, maybe they will take action to show their kid that those behaviors are not allowed in their home, but the option that I fear most is that a parent will go overboard with the punishment. It's clear the pastor is not advocating child abuse but a parent who is distressed about their kid possibly showing signs of being gay may overreact and take the punishment too far, much farther than the pastor would intend for them to take it. It will be unfortunate if a parent takes the punishment too far; unfortunate for the kid, for the parent, and also for the pastor because he may get some of the blame for suggesting any type of punishment for such behaviors.
I'm sorry but I suggest you go look up what advocate means.
In fact, the bigger issue is that you don't seem to think punching children who aren't hetro-normtaive isn't child abuse.
If a child stole something from a shop, and the parent decided to punish the child using physical force for performing an act that is perceived as bad societal wide, then we could have a debate if that was child abuse or not (and we have, in the UK for example, it would really depend on the force, anything that leaves a mark was considered too much)
The pastor says "you should crack the wrists of your effeminate child, punch him, make him a man" That is advocating child abuse.
lets put it another way, I've wore glasses since a young age (a choice over contact lenses), should my parents be allowed to beat me for not wearing contact lenses instead? of course not.
Regardless if you think being gay is a choice or not, this behaviour is only okay if you believe that being gay is a capital crime.
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I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. Hundreds/thousands/millions of people will look at this and say "HA! Christians are hateful bigots." Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate gay people. I don't think children should be physically abused for gay tendencies. I do believe that living a Gay lifestyle is a sin, but I have plenty of tendencies and behaviors myself that are sinful.
Hating and/or physically abusing Gay people is not what God and the Christian faith are about. So please, address the man and the issue, but do not lump all Christians into the same group as him.
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On May 02 2012 17:05 ScienceNotBusiness wrote:Show nested quote +
Unfortunately, people always have and always will pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow and which parts they don't. This is a case of people seeing the bible says that being "gay" is a sin to god and unnatural, and refuse to follow up on the part that says all people sin and they are forgiven.
I'm an agnostic and pretty anti-christian, it's plain and simple stupid people making other people look stupid
It's cute that you downplay it so hard, but the reality is is that these people are mentally insane, and contributing the insanity of our current and growing population, which chooses to obey their ignorant egoism of the refusal of modern day science in exchange for the peer pressure of modern and past day religion. What a fucking joke you people are.
Before you start ranting about how insane people are, you might want to check what people are saying. He's agnostic and pretty Anti-Christian, and by implication calling him out as a fucking joke calls into question your own bias towards the topic.
Your faith in modern day science is admirable, and I wish you the very best of luck with that. I wonder how you will react to the next scientific paradigm shift? Induction is not about being true, its about having the best possible explanation for the facts at hand.
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On May 02 2012 17:22 Osmoses wrote:
Oh look, another nutjob that made the news.
Just remember he is part of a vocal, crazy minority.
in america? gay marriage is not legal in a majority of states bro...
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On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. Hundreds/thousands/millions of people will look at this and say "HA! Christians are hateful bigots." Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate gay people. I don't think children should be physically abused for gay tendencies. I do believe that living a Gay lifestyle is a sin, but I have plenty of tendencies and behaviors myself that are sinful.
Hating and/or physically abusing Gay people is not what God and the Christian faith are about. So please, address the man and the issue, but do not lump all Christians into the same group as him.
Yeah, I guess subtle, lifelong psycological abuse will just have to do. But ya' know, "hate the sin love the sinner etc etc." But the problem is, being gay isn't a lifestyle, as much as being straight is a lifestyle. It's normal. But hey, screw all the evidence that says so...
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On May 02 2012 17:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I really hope people don't stereotype all Christians or the Christian faith because of this. To me, that is always the saddest part about these kinds of stories. Hundreds/thousands/millions of people will look at this and say "HA! Christians are hateful bigots." Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't hate gay people. I don't think children should be physically abused for gay tendencies. I do believe that living a Gay lifestyle is a sin, but I have plenty of tendencies and behaviors myself that are sinful.
Hating and/or physically abusing Gay people is not what God and the Christian faith are about. So please, address the man and the issue, but do not lump all Christians into the same group as him.
I don't understand people like you. Are you being a mock of yourself? Are you being self-satirizing? You don't hate gay people, you just think they'll go to hell because they're gay, and you also think their very nature is a sin. This is hatred, nothing less. And don't try playing the "don't judge religion by its extremists" card, it doesn't work. I judge the religion by its texts and the people God "sent to the Earth to discern those texts" such as the pope.
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On May 02 2012 17:36 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 17:22 Osmoses wrote:
Oh look, another nutjob that made the news.
Just remember he is part of a vocal, crazy minority. in america? gay marriage is not legal in a majority of states bro...
There's a big gulf between legalising gay marriage and believing you should smack homosexuality out of kids. Just saying....
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