I am sad for those BW fans that cant get off their "ego", or cant upgrade their PC . Poor you guys. even some of the mechanic is easier in SC2 compared to BW, the game still is not as easy as some of you said. I know that you guys love your game, i love it too, but completely ignore the fact that SC2 is a good game or even flaming them is just ....
All top players in SC2 are the one have good RTS background, that mean the game still required some skillset similar to Broodwar such as multitask, micro, macro.
MVP is a promising player when he transfer to SC2 (he would be at least Bogus level right now if he still play the game),
Nestea or Zergbong is a rising zerg before he go to the army, when he came back he have to play 2v2 as skill decrease.
MMA is a very good player too, but with personal problem he retired with 1-2 record.
MC even with 1-9 record in team league, he is still very good player on practice, no way MBC team keep sending him out if he is bad.
And tons of A-, B+ players such as Puma, Sangho, Ganzi,....
And dont forget all of the new and young players who started playing Broodwar late, and start playing SC2 at 15, 16, 17 years old. They might be someone like Flash if it isnt for SC2, kids such as Leenock at 16, Creator 14, Coca 17, and a tons more who are currently at teenagers.
Some of you guys definitely have the point with some of the mechanic, even though the unit are clump, you can use micro or even with your godly BWish apm, multitask to assign more than 1 control group.
I love both games, and i hope you do too , and dont forget SC1: BW is nothing until the patch 1.08 of broodwar expansion coming out,
SC2 in its first year of vanilla, doing great as it is, still having 2 more expansions to come, I have no doubt that the game will be much better game. never doubt Blizzard except their time.
Sc2 is so premature atm. Not sure how people can say its a better game, beginning of starcraft and brood war it was similar... Its just got different mechanics, at this time it will be builds that win it most of time, but generally speaking, itll get better, i mean blizzard is good at what they do. im sure itll all work itself out.
On January 24 2012 15:58 minhbq299 wrote: I am sad for those BW fans that cant get off their ego, or cant upgrade their PC . Poor you guys. even some of the mechanic is easier in SC2 compared to BW, the game still is not as easy as some of you said.
Oh, come on. This is as bad as the "all SC2 players are D- 12-year-olds". Brood War is a good game. It is not "SC2 but worse". Nor is it really "SC2 but better". It is a game, similar in many ways to SC2 yet different in others, that some people really like because they really like it and for no other reason.
I compare BW/SC2 to Mega Man 2/Mega Man X. They're clearly the same franchise, but they're really really different in a lot of ways, too. MM2/BW is considered the classic, and many people consider it the best. But there are also a lot of people who like MMX/SC2 and consider it to be the best game. And there are people who like both games quite a lot, and think the infighting (are there MM2/MMX flamewars?) is overblown a bit
On January 24 2012 15:54 Lokian wrote: last I heard, nestea was pissed at kespa for ruining his life with 2v2 format. so yeah... don't have to worry about nestea going to a kespa team.
why would he blame kespa for 'ruining his life'? he was asked by KTF to play in 2v2 because it would be extremely difficult to get playing time in individual matches with the stacked line-up of players they had back then.
On January 24 2012 15:58 minhbq299 wrote: I am sad for those BW fans that cant get off their ego, or cant upgrade their PC . Poor you guys. even some of the mechanic is easier in SC2 compared to BW, the game still is not as easy as some of you said.
Oh, come on. This is as bad as the "all SC2 players are D- 12-year-olds". Brood War is a good game. It is not "SC2 but worse". Nor is it really "SC2 but better". It is a game, similar in many ways to SC2 yet different in others, that some people really like because they really like it and for no other reason.
I compare BW/SC2 to Mega Man 2/Mega Man X. They're clearly the same franchise, but they're really really different in a lot of ways, too. MM2/BW is considered the classic, and many people consider it the best. But there are also a lot of people who like MMX/SC2 and consider it to be the best game. And there are people who like both games quite a lot, and think the infighting (are there MM2/MMX flamewars?) is overblown a bit
More people with this sentiment would make threads much more efficient and not overblown as they always degrade to
On January 24 2012 15:58 minhbq299 wrote: I am sad for those BW fans that cant get off their "ego", or cant upgrade their PC . Poor you guys. even some of the mechanic is easier in SC2 compared to BW, the game still is not as easy as some of you said. I know that you guys love your game, i love it too, but completely ignore the fact that SC2 is a good game or even flaming them is just ....
All top players in SC2 are the one have good RTS background, that mean the game still required some skills smilar to Broodwar such as multitask, micro, macro MVP is a promising player when he transfer to SC2 (he would be at least Bogus level right now if he still play the game),
Nestea or Zergbong is a rising zerg before he go to the army, when he came back he have to play 2v2 as skill decrease.
MMA is a very good player too, but with personal problem he retired with 1-2 record.
MC even with 1-9 record in team league, he is still very good player on practice, no way MBC team keep sending him out if he is bad.
And tons of A-, B+ players such as Puma, Sangho, Ganzi,....
And dont forget all of the new and young players who started playing Broodwar late, and start playing SC2 at 15, 16, 17 years old. They might be someone like Flash if it isnt for SC2, kids such as Leenock at 16, Creator 14, Coca 17, and a tons more who are currently at teenagers.
Some of you guys definitely have the point with some of the mechanic, even though the unit are clump, you can use micro or even with your godly BWish apm, multitask to assign more than 1 control group.
I love both games, and i hope you do too , and dont forget SC1: BW is nothing until the patch 1.08 of broodwar expansion coming out,
SC2 in its first year of vanilla, doing great as it is, still having 2 more expansions to come, I have no doubt that the game will be much better game. never doubt Blizzard except their time.
Oh the usual comment from the other side taking pot shots at us oldies because we have really bad comp's ? Even If I had a good computer I wouldn't have install starcraft 2 and rather be playing cs source . If i want to enjoy graphics if that is the case .Well I have a reasonable fair opinion about what sc2 is but the game is hard in it's own context arguing one game is superior than the other will get on people's nerve . Which is frequently seen in the Cs 1.6 vs Cs source kids throwing muds at each other because each individual prefer the game they love .
Also calling broodwar is nothing until 1.08 , well let's just say the changes made Boxer switch protoss to terran because the reaver Ai went a little inconsistent in killing it's target . So I wouldn't call the patches made broodwar nothing at all , I had lot's of fun making cannon for 1 hour with my friends . Playing broodwar competitively never cross my mind at all . So you have the right to have your opinion and I do have my opinion too but that doesn't mean I will think that sc2 will be the much BETTER game .
On January 24 2012 15:58 minhbq299 wrote: I am sad for those BW fans that cant get off their "ego", or cant upgrade their PC . Poor you guys. even some of the mechanic is easier in SC2 compared to BW, the game still is not as easy as some of you said. I know that you guys love your game, i love it too, but completely ignore the fact that SC2 is a good game or even flaming them is just ....
All top players in SC2 are the one have good RTS background, that mean the game still required some skillset similar to Broodwar such as multitask, micro, macro.
MVP is a promising player when he transfer to SC2 (he would be at least Bogus level right now if he still play the game),
Nestea or Zergbong is a rising zerg before he go to the army, when he came back he have to play 2v2 as skill decrease.
MMA is a very good player too, but with personal problem he retired with 1-2 record.
MC even with 1-9 record in team league, he is still very good player on practice, no way MBC team keep sending him out if he is bad.
And tons of A-, B+ players such as Puma, Sangho, Ganzi,....
And dont forget all of the new and young players who started playing Broodwar late, and start playing SC2 at 15, 16, 17 years old. They might be someone like Flash if it isnt for SC2, kids such as Leenock at 16, Creator 14, Coca 17, and a tons more who are currently at teenagers.
Some of you guys definitely have the point with some of the mechanic, even though the unit are clump, you can use micro or even with your godly BWish apm, multitask to assign more than 1 control group.
I love both games, and i hope you do too , and dont forget SC1: BW is nothing until the patch 1.08 of broodwar expansion coming out,
SC2 in its first year of vanilla, doing great as it is, still having 2 more expansions to come, I have no doubt that the game will be much better game. never doubt Blizzard except their time.
Even though I can play sc2 on high, I dont play as much as BW. You say SC2 mechanic isnt that easier? I have trouble macroing and microing units in BW, but SC2 makes it so much easier. BW macro : click f2, press individual raxes. Press "m" . Try doing that while killing lurkers :0 BW micro : hotkey groups of marines seperately. Hotkey medics seperately. Hotkey firebats seperately Stim, split, and run. SC2 macro : hotkey all rax into one number! Spam or hold "m". Voila. New batch of marines SC2 micro : hotkey infinite numbers of marines and a couple of medivacs in one or two hotkeys. stim and split your marines You decided if SC2 mechanics isnt that much easier ( This is my experience as solid D iccup player and master player in sc2)
On January 24 2012 15:58 minhbq299 wrote: I am sad for those BW fans that cant get off their "ego", or cant upgrade their PC . Poor you guys. even some of the mechanic is easier in SC2 compared to BW, the game still is not as easy as some of you said. I know that you guys love your game, i love it too, but completely ignore the fact that SC2 is a good game or even flaming them is just ....
All top players in SC2 are the one have good RTS background, that mean the game still required some skillset similar to Broodwar such as multitask, micro, macro.
MVP is a promising player when he transfer to SC2 (he would be at least Bogus level right now if he still play the game),
Nestea or Zergbong is a rising zerg before he go to the army, when he came back he have to play 2v2 as skill decrease.
MMA is a very good player too, but with personal problem he retired with 1-2 record.
MC even with 1-9 record in team league, he is still very good player on practice, no way MBC team keep sending him out if he is bad.
And tons of A-, B+ players such as Puma, Sangho, Ganzi,....
And dont forget all of the new and young players who started playing Broodwar late, and start playing SC2 at 15, 16, 17 years old. They might be someone like Flash if it isnt for SC2, kids such as Leenock at 16, Creator 14, Coca 17, and a tons more who are currently at teenagers.
Some of you guys definitely have the point with some of the mechanic, even though the unit are clump, you can use micro or even with your godly BWish apm, multitask to assign more than 1 control group.
I love both games, and i hope you do too , and dont forget SC1: BW is nothing until the patch 1.08 of broodwar expansion coming out,
SC2 in its first year of vanilla, doing great as it is, still having 2 more expansions to come, I have no doubt that the game will be much better game. never doubt Blizzard except their time.
Seriously we aren't playing sc2 because our computers can't run it therefore we don't like it? Are you like 15 years old? What kind of thought process is that?
It's not ego either. I don't play CnC, warhammer etc not because of ego but because I tried them and think they're pretty rubbish. Same goes for sc2. It's not even that it's an easier game and I have to play an incredibly difficult game to satisfy my huge ego. I just find it boring.
Those players you listed sucked in bw, that's why they transferred, end of discussion. Whether or not they would soon become whatever fantasized level you are dreaming up is totally hypothetical. Many other players like Snow, Mind, Kal, Kwanro, Shine... list goes on have been hyped to be "the next big thing", all having shown mixed and varied results. To say flat out that MVP would be Bogus level just shows how shallow your understanding of the game really is.
The thing is, we already know what makes bw such a good game and when the whole community begged on their knees for those features in sc2, Blizzard just flipped the bird and did whatever they thought would cater to the largest market and maximize sales. Why the fuck do you think Wii being such a piece of shit sold so much more than PS3?
Sure I'll play sc2 if my friends and I go to internet cafes together why not? Same way as I'll listen to Lady Gaga and 50 cent from time to time and eat Mcdonalds sometimes. Why the fuck not, it's not bad and it satisfies me somewhat. But to say that it's better than so many other alternatives out there... the most glaring one being its predecessor...
cant wait for JD/Effort to play mass roach or bisu going collosus deathball will be so much fun, and it really would look to me like legend is being killed, homogenous gameplay is a good way to kill identity
this flash macro SK terran which was showed few pages ago? It can be easily reproduced by a diamond player in sc2. I dont care about stats(well i care but not only), i care about beautiful, spectacular play, the thing that blizzard forgot to implement. Build order wins and smart usage of auto surrounds/auto concaves, is deceitful beautiful play for a spectator eye.
On January 24 2012 17:19 pyrogenetix wrote: It's not even that it's an easier game and I have to play an incredibly difficult game to satisfy my huge ego. I just find it boring.
Those players you listed sucked in bw, that's why they transferred, end of discussion
yep, they tried hard long enough but couldn't make it trough.
The thing is, we already know what makes bw such a good game and when the whole community begged on their knees for those features in sc2, Blizzard just flipped the bird and did whatever they thought would cater to the largest market and maximize sales.
so true. but yeah they don't want sc2 to live as long as bw so they can make sc3! Another noobie-friendly game where it's easy to achieve "competetive" level..
Sure I'll play sc2 if my friends and I go to internet cafes together why not? Same way as I'll listen to Lady Gaga and 50 cent from time to time and eat Mcdonalds sometimes.
On January 24 2012 12:28 moopie wrote: Yes BW is likely at an end as KeSPA teams transition later on this year.
A bit of a shame to some of us, but the new generation of kids will appreciate it. We'll always have vods.
Kids these days with their I-pods and their mobile Wi-fi and their MBS and their Unlimited Unit selection and their "action-packed gameplay" and their flashy graphics and their deathballs and their fanfic campaigns and their...
On January 24 2012 12:28 moopie wrote: Yes BW is likely at an end as KeSPA teams transition later on this year.
A bit of a shame to some of us, but the new generation of kids will appreciate it. We'll always have vods.
Kids these days with their I-pods and their mobile Wi-fi and their MBS and their Unlimited Unit selection and their "action-packed gameplay" and their flashy graphics and their deathballs and their fanfic campaigns and their...
GID' OFF MAH LAWN!
but.... but I'm using my galaxy nexus to check proleague results, and it also has flashy graphics and good pictures..... T_T
On January 24 2012 12:28 moopie wrote: Yes BW is likely at an end as KeSPA teams transition later on this year.
A bit of a shame to some of us, but the new generation of kids will appreciate it. We'll always have vods.
Kids these days with their I-pods and their mobile Wi-fi and their MBS and their Unlimited Unit selection and their "action-packed gameplay" and their flashy graphics and their deathballs and their fanfic campaigns and their...
GID' OFF MAH LAWN!
but.... but I'm using my galaxy nexus to check proleague results, and it also has flashy graphics and good pictures..... T_T
I watch and play SC2 but I just can't follow it the same as BW. It's fun, but it's nowhere near what BW gave me for almost 8 years. But what I can't deny is that I'm looking forward to BW teams playing SC2. Maybe because I like the teams & players so much....and there is little naive hope that they make SC2 better by just playing it like noone else does.
Anyway I'm getting older. I left Broodwar behind and would only come back to really watching games when proteams switch to SC2.
I wonder, when will people finally start appreciating and valuing something that is so uniform and monolithic in its own perfection, that other variants seem to be out of the league or simply irritating. Why on earth there should be a need for SC2 switch, that SC2 fans are so willing to happen? Did you try to play BW, really? If you did and had enough time to understand the concept, there would be no need in alternatives. God damn it, EDUCATE YOURSELF!
I want so fucking bad to like SC2, but I just cant. The game is so boring and repetitive and I really doubt, that flash, jaedong, bisu, etc.. can change that. Just the game is flawed. If the switch happens and the real bw pros, start playing it professionally, I think sc2 will be solved in less than a year.
On January 24 2012 15:58 minhbq299 wrote: I am sad for those BW fans that cant get off their "ego", or cant upgrade their PC . Poor you guys. even some of the mechanic is easier in SC2 compared to BW, the game still is not as easy as some of you said. I know that you guys love your game, i love it too, but completely ignore the fact that SC2 is a good game or even flaming them is just ....
All top players in SC2 are the one have good RTS background, that mean the game still required some skillset similar to Broodwar such as multitask, micro, macro.
MVP is a promising player when he transfer to SC2 (he would be at least Bogus level right now if he still play the game),
Nestea or Zergbong is a rising zerg before he go to the army, when he came back he have to play 2v2 as skill decrease.
MMA is a very good player too, but with personal problem he retired with 1-2 record.
MC even with 1-9 record in team league, he is still very good player on practice, no way MBC team keep sending him out if he is bad.
And tons of A-, B+ players such as Puma, Sangho, Ganzi,....
And dont forget all of the new and young players who started playing Broodwar late, and start playing SC2 at 15, 16, 17 years old. They might be someone like Flash if it isnt for SC2, kids such as Leenock at 16, Creator 14, Coca 17, and a tons more who are currently at teenagers.
Some of you guys definitely have the point with some of the mechanic, even though the unit are clump, you can use micro or even with your godly BWish apm, multitask to assign more than 1 control group.
I love both games, and i hope you do too , and dont forget SC1: BW is nothing until the patch 1.08 of broodwar expansion coming out,
SC2 in its first year of vanilla, doing great as it is, still having 2 more expansions to come, I have no doubt that the game will be much better game. never doubt Blizzard except their time.
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. Poor you guys. even some of the mechanic is easier in SC2 compared to BW, the game still is not as easy as some of you said. 
, and dont forget SC1: BW is nothing until the patch 1.08 of broodwar expansion coming out,
