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noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 13:29:33
January 24 2012 13:23 GMT
#241
What I dont get is the following : Would the top 5 bw players be willing to leave their safe zone and go to sc2 ?
edit: nvm i already read the answer in thread ...

On January 24 2012 07:55 bearbuddy wrote:
My question is-- why would sponsors that are korean based companies want to transition into a game that is internationally popular but not so much in Korea? I didn't know anything about any company (except for Samsung) before coming to TL.


Samsung, htc, lg are selling android smartphones like crazy in US, would make a lot of sense to them to even ignore a lil the domestic market if they could ad in usa trough games....
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
January 24 2012 13:27 GMT
#242
I really don't understand the level of denial in this thread
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
January 24 2012 13:29 GMT
#243
Sawamura ok ok, it's not that dramatic, but anything considering that out of the blue we suddenly need SC2-related things in Proleague makes me ffffffuuuuuu hard. I don't understand why it's needed. As if Anand and Gelfand were made to play not only chess but also badminton for a chess world crown, lol.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 13:34:16
January 24 2012 13:33 GMT
#244
On January 24 2012 21:21 white_horse wrote:
Why the SC2 community thinks that BW teams switching to SC2 is just a matter of time is beyond me. Why would kespa keep the move secret from all the current teams and then suddenly screw everyone by announcing the supposed switch this april?

And SC2 fans keep suggesting that their scene is going to become so much better when all the A-class players and TBLS switch over, which is hilarious. Do you really think that the current generation of players will just shift places to SC2 and keep everything from rivalries to relative skill levels the same? More importantly, wishing that BW players will switch over to make the SC2 scene better implies that your agreeing that SC2 is currently in a terrible form without any outstanding SC2 player to make it more exciting then stupid death balls rolling around onscreen.


Why not? MBC is gone, OZ, MBCGame HERO, and WeMadeFOX are gone.
Why wouldn't it be a viable idea to consider looking into SC2? That's what Nestea said, they asked him about his oppionion. This would be news you can't just announce on something like a podcast. It would need decent planning and a lot of talk between the teams, sponsors and OGN.

And apart from that, what's stopping Kespa/OGN from starting a SC2 tournament too see how the audience responds with the option to opt out if they don't get the ratings?

It's possible. We don't know. Let's just wait and see.


On January 24 2012 22:27 Milkis wrote:
I really don't understand the level of denial in this thread


:D
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
January 24 2012 13:33 GMT
#245
On January 24 2012 22:29 _Quasar_ wrote:
Sawamura ok ok, it's not that dramatic, but anything considering that out of the blue we suddenly need SC2-related things in Proleague makes me ffffffuuuuuu hard. I don't understand why it's needed. As if Anand and Gelfand were made to play not only chess but also badminton for a chess world crown, lol.

I think it'd be closer to Go players switching to chess.

people switching from a superior niche game to a slightly inferior widely popular game.

if that makes any sense. but yeah everything in the article points to not only are BW teams not switching over to sc2 altogether, but they seem to be only willing to spend minimal amounts of money to get into SC2, which means they are definitely not going to go crazy and make SC2 half of proleague or switch entirely. if they were doing that they wouldn't be asking for names of people who are good but can't break into the current sc2 scene.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
January 24 2012 13:39 GMT
#246
And remember pls that the Flash-JD-Stork-Bisu-Zero-Fantasy generation is NOT the last. There are players like Bogus-Soulkey-Stats-By.Sun etc... how many beautiful games they've delivered already! It would make perfect sense in bw got another generation of top players (or lol, even if not top, because its hard to beat Flash, then at least near the top).
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
January 24 2012 13:40 GMT
#247
On January 24 2012 20:30 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 20:20 SenorChang wrote:
On January 24 2012 20:11 TrainSamurai wrote:
Nice. Get ready for more Flash walk outs.

Hopefully kespa plans to run sc2 seperate from BW
+ Show Spoiler +
Do sc2 fans not realise that when they say "give it more time" they're essentially saying "our game sucks atm"

That's the idea, things need time to grow and mature - why would SC2 be any different? Broodwar didn't start out super popular, it grew to be that popular.


Popularity is the least of SC2's problems.


In Korea, popularity is a problem.

You forget a little deail. This is KeSPa we are talking about, where the main concern is the domestic market. You are not the main audience. No matter how many you are, half the KeSPA companies win nothing by prioritizing you over the domestic economy, so you are not that important.
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
January 24 2012 13:43 GMT
#248
On January 24 2012 21:09 Nouar wrote:
Do all of you realize that even with BW being the better game, an excellent strategy game, perfect for esports etc... It's so old that there are barely ANY "new" player who can start from scratch, train long enough (probably minimum 2 years), for X hours a day, while being a noname, to make a B-team when the scene is already waning ?

This is the problem with esports right now, and CS1.6 had the same one : people are so good at this difficult game, that no one can catch up, and without new players, there's no future. It is bound to die eventually, since new, young gamers are attracted to more flashy games. Difficulty, while being a blessing for the competitiveness of the game, is also it's plight. The scene grows older, older, older, and eventually people move on.

In board games or sport, you don't have this problem since there are no new ones available. And they are mainstream enough that you can learn them via clubs and so on right at school. People *know* the games and sports won't change, and can invest the necessary time to invest their life in it. Video games.... well maybe, but barely. Who right now would have the balls to invest the necessary time to become a pro at Starcraft 1, looking at the prospects of an already waning scene ? Probably only a handful, and it's not gonna be enough to keep the scene alive right now.

Understand this : I love BW as much as you do, I haven't found a better strategy game yet, but I still enjoy watching SC2, because some high quality games really deserve it. The unitball many people complain about, is the fault of the game engine, but also of the players, not taking the time and apm to micro properly. But this is gonna evolve, and they will only get better. Consider it as an obstacle to master, which actually raises the skill ceiling of the game !

I, for one, think it would be better to ultimately have the players I love switch to SC2 instead of just being out of a job in a few months/years. Then I could still love and follow them, their history, rivalries and weird moments :p
It could become a good game really, when the players actually take advantage of the easier mechanics to micro, spread, multiprong, flank... instead of being lazy with ze ball.

I should have detailed it more and make it into a blog, but I don't have enough time.


This is the best response in the thread and put it way better than I would have.
1sz2sz3sz
Profile Joined January 2012
Andorra173 Posts
January 24 2012 13:44 GMT
#249
http://i.imgur.com/4EH5l.jpg

User was warned for this post
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 13:50:43
January 24 2012 13:44 GMT
#250
On January 24 2012 22:33 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 22:29 _Quasar_ wrote:
Sawamura ok ok, it's not that dramatic, but anything considering that out of the blue we suddenly need SC2-related things in Proleague makes me ffffffuuuuuu hard. I don't understand why it's needed. As if Anand and Gelfand were made to play not only chess but also badminton for a chess world crown, lol.

I think it'd be closer to Go players switching to chess.

people switching from a superior niche game to a slightly inferior widely popular game.

if that makes any sense. but yeah everything in the article points to not only are BW teams not switching over to sc2 altogether, but they seem to be only willing to spend minimal amounts of money to get into SC2, which means they are definitely not going to go crazy and make SC2 half of proleague or switch entirely. if they were doing that they wouldn't be asking for names of people who are good but can't break into the current sc2 scene.


It's weird though , if bw pro gamers have strict practice regime solely for broodwar only , How does sc2 comes in to the picture ? I mean if they truly want to compete with the global starcraft scene having only a few months of preparation isn't going to win you a gsl you know . No not even flash or Jaedong is going to pull a miracle and start winning in sc2 tournaments while practising it for like 2 hours a day during break .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
January 24 2012 13:46 GMT
#251
On January 24 2012 22:44 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/4EH5l.jpg

hahaha LoL >>> all
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
January 24 2012 14:02 GMT
#252
lol and bw seems pretty tied actually
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
January 24 2012 14:03 GMT
#253
LoL hacks up to 150k viewers man... is it because its free?

just like SC2, LoL is casual and aimed for newbies accessibility and it can be fun to play for a while, but its a pain in the ass to watch it and nothing 'competitive' can really be taken seriously.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
January 24 2012 14:05 GMT
#254
On January 24 2012 23:03 fabiano wrote:
LoL hacks up to 150k viewers man... is it because its free?

just like SC2, LoL is casual and aimed for newbies accessibility and it can be fun to play for a while, but its a pain in the ass to watch it and nothing 'competitive' can really be taken seriously.


well I would agree with you till IEM Kiev, now I really dont know...
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 14:12:53
January 24 2012 14:12 GMT
#255
On January 24 2012 22:27 Milkis wrote:
I really don't understand the level of denial in this thread

Poor you. Reddit SC2 has killed your soul.
I'll see if i can find you something warm and fluffy.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
January 24 2012 14:21 GMT
#256
On January 24 2012 23:05 noD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 23:03 fabiano wrote:
LoL hacks up to 150k viewers man... is it because its free?

just like SC2, LoL is casual and aimed for newbies accessibility and it can be fun to play for a while, but its a pain in the ass to watch it and nothing 'competitive' can really be taken seriously.


well I would agree with you till IEM Kiev, now I really dont know...


is it worth watching?

recommend me games please, want to see how SC2 is rightnow (humble request)
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
January 24 2012 14:23 GMT
#257
I have two o no the sky is falling ideas that actually worry me to an extent.

What if Kespa just decides they don't need or want any competition and do financially push away gom and what not by buying players effectively and telling them they can't compete in other tournaments without their permission?

And, What if Kespa just decides when they switch over with all their players that they just don't need most of the current players either?

/skyisfalling
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 14:27:27
January 24 2012 14:24 GMT
#258
On January 24 2012 22:44 1sz2sz3sz wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/4EH5l.jpg


Hahaha you just fail , you show pictures from live events , and try compere them to Sc2 television match for studio where is less space for audience ?. Its picture from GSL studio you fool
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
January 24 2012 14:35 GMT
#259
On January 24 2012 23:12 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 22:27 Milkis wrote:
I really don't understand the level of denial in this thread

Poor you. Reddit SC2 has killed your soul.
I'll see if i can find you something warm and fluffy.


Haha, won't deny that i lost a lot of interest in esports in general after that incident.

But BW scene switching to SC2 isn't really a "rumor" from what I know :S
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
January 24 2012 14:38 GMT
#260
On January 24 2012 07:47 Luepert wrote:
If Nestea (zergbong) leaves IM for a BW team I'm gunna be so friggin pissed.
As long my precious SC2 players stay in the Sc2 scene and there continues to be GSTL and GSL, I am happy

Isn't he going to the military anyway soon or has he been there..?
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