EPTIt is like 8 teams have nuclear weapons. The top 3 teams all have 3 missiles. the bottom 5 have one. Now a challenger team makes it into lcs with 2 missiles. The 5 bottom teams need to react so they also but 2 additional missles. Now the top three teams see that the bottom have exactly the same missiles as they have. So again even the top 3 teams get additional missiles to keep their spot. And thats part of how a league gets better.
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
It is like 8 teams have nuclear weapons. The top 3 teams all have 3 missiles. the bottom 5 have one. Now a challenger team makes it into lcs with 2 missiles. The 5 bottom teams need to react so they also but 2 additional missles. Now the top three teams see that the bottom have exactly the same missiles as they have. So again even the top 3 teams get additional missiles to keep their spot. And thats part of how a league gets better. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Honestly just pretty impressed with the management of the top teams in NA. It's not perfect but there's a definite improvement happening. If only some of them would learn to stop using social media. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On October 31 2014 23:15 TitusVI wrote: I think the biggest step forward in NA was the start of the last split when LMQ joined. I had the feeling that many teams saw it comming to drop another place in the rankings and they all tried to change their rosters and get coaches to the better. When a good team joins a league its mostly not about that other teams "learn" something. A big part of it is that teams actually see their food taken away from them and have to change something. It is like 8 teams have nuclear weapons. The top 3 teams all have 3 missiles. the bottom 5 have one. Now a challenger team makes it into lcs with 2 missiles. The 5 bottom teams need to react so they also but 2 additional missles. Now the top three teams see that the bottom have exactly the same missiles as they have. So again even the top 3 teams get additional missiles to keep their spot. And thats part of how a league gets better. That was indeed the point I was trying to make (tho one could argue if its the coming of LMQ or the dominance of C9 that caused it). Europe needs something like that to shake up the teams, to force them to work on improving themselves or settle for being 3/4th place. And no I don't believe the large shakeups happening at the moment are a sign that it is already happening. I would say that it is actually a terrible sign. Your not working to create a coherent team when a large part of the teams is switching almost their entire lineup. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 31 2014 23:53 Gorsameth wrote: That was indeed the point I was trying to make (tho one could argue if its the coming of LMQ or the dominance of C9 that caused it). Europe needs something like that to shake up the teams, to force them to work on improving themselves or settle for being 3/4th place. And no I don't believe the large shakeups happening at the moment are a sign that it is already happening. I would say that it is actually a terrible sign. Your not working to create a coherent team when a large part of the teams is switching almost their entire lineup. So now you are saying the roster swaps are too much to be a sign of teams trying to improve or what? First teams are too stagnant, then they change too much. With what exactly would you be content then? This whole notion of yours that teams dont try to improve or whatever is just complete nonsense. And especially what you base it on. The competition among the teams is already extremely high. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:32 orzeu wrote: Difference is that teams like TSM, Curse are all in on League. Why would Alex Garfield spent money on management/coaches etc. when he can just sign new Dota 2 team? If you refer to Alliance, they had a bigger coaching staff than anyone else in NA or EU. Heck they even had a cook. :D They were not missing anything. Fnatic could need more support though. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:36 Redox wrote: If you refer to Alliance, they had a bigger coaching staff than anyone else in NA or EU. They were not missing anything. Are you serious? Their manager/owner is working full time for joinDota and doesn't even live in Cologne. Their coach - Leviathan didn't get paid for months, because he was on 'trial'. Rest I don't know, but they had some guys that researched for them before Worlds for free. EG was fucking mess too with manager that didn't do shit according to Krepo post. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:44 orzeu wrote: Are you serious? Their manager/owner is working full time for joinDota and doesn't even live in Cologne. Their coach - Leviathan didn't get paid for months, because he was on 'trial'. Rest I don't know, but they had some guys that researched for them before Worlds for free. EG was fucking mess too with manager that didn't do shit according to Krepo post. I dont know if Leviathan got paid or not but it is a stretch to assume it is relevant for All performance. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:32 orzeu wrote: Difference is that teams like TSM, Curse are all in on League. Why would Alex Garfield spent money on management/coaches etc. when he can just sign new Dota 2 team? Not at all. TSM has a few Hearthstone players, a Smash player, and don't they have a Smite team or something? | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
IMP to army. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:29 Redox wrote: So now you are saying the roster swaps are too much to be a sign of teams trying to improve or what? First teams are too stagnant, then they change too much. With what exactly would you be content then? This whole notion of yours that teams dont try to improve or whatever is just complete nonsense. And especially what you base it on. The competition among the teams is already extremely high. I meant stagnant in terms of skill, not only within Europe but especially when compared to the rest of the world. Sorry I was not more clear in that. Your free to disagree but I dont call every team losing and winning to every other team a sign that the region is doing well. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:50 Redox wrote: I dont know if Leviathan got paid or not but it is a stretch to assume it is relevant for All performance. It's not, but Alliance had once of the worst managment/coaching stuff out of any LCS teams. Also their cook was Krepo girlfriend that stayed with them for some reason and their coach/manager didn't. They didn't even have gaming room in their house. On November 01 2014 00:55 Gahlo wrote: Not at all. TSM has a few Hearthstone players, a Smash player, and don't they have a Smite team or something? Still they spend like 75-90% of their budget on League team, easily. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 01 2014 01:03 Gorsameth wrote: I meant stagnant in terms of skill, not only within Europe but especially when compared to the rest of the world. Sorry I was not more clear in that. Your free to disagree but I dont call every team losing and winning to every other team a sign that the region is doing well. Well yeah if you think they are bad that is just a matter of opinion. I disagree but wont challenge you on that. My problem is with the claims that teams don try hard enough, have to be shaken up or whatever. I dont see any basis for that idea. I mean ok Koreans always try harder, but I dont see any difference to NA in this respect. On November 01 2014 01:05 orzeu wrote: It's not, but Alliance had once of the worst managment/coaching stuff out of any LCS teams. Also their cook was Krepo girlfriend that stayed with them for some reason and their coach/manager didn't. They didn't even have gaming room in their house. And I saw lots of people saying the way Alliance was training wih the seperation etc was an example for others to follow when tehy were on their winning streak. Now that they lost a game vs Kabum its suddenly all bad. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On November 01 2014 01:08 Redox wrote: And I saw lots of people saying the way Alliance was training wih the seperation etc was an example for others to follow when tehy were on their winning streak. Now that they lost a game vs Kabum its suddenly all bad. The idea is 5 people living on their own and meeting in 1 place every day to practice. Just like a normal working person. Not 5 people living in 1 house who have to go somewhere else to be able to play. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On November 01 2014 01:08 Redox wrote: Well yeah if you think they are bad that is just a matter of opinion. I disagree but wont challenge you on that. My problem is with the claims that teams don try hard enough, have to be shaken up or whatever. I dont see any basis for that idea. I mean ok Koreans always try harder, but I dont see any difference to NA in this respect. And I saw lots of people saying the way Alliance was training wih the seperation etc was an example for others to follow when tehy were on their winning streak. Now that they lost a game vs Kabum its suddenly all bad. I think the only reason why they didn't have gaming room was that didn't have space. Also playing all the time from your bedroom is stupid idea and I never liked that. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On November 01 2014 01:00 AsnSensation wrote: http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2778&l=31963 IMP to army. I thought Army was the name of some random Chinese team at first LOL. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On November 01 2014 01:34 onlywonderboy wrote: I thought Army was the name of some random Chinese team at first LOL. LOL. Also Dandy/Deft/Pawn confirmed on facebook move to China. https://www.facebook.com/hyuk9zzang?fref=ufi https://www.facebook.com/dandyGOD/posts/705469199548470 | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 01 2014 01:36 orzeu wrote: LOL. Also Dandy/Deft/Pawn confirmed on facebook move to China. https://www.facebook.com/hyuk9zzang?fref=ufi https://www.facebook.com/dandyGOD/posts/705469199548470 Oh god. I am ok with China kicking Kespa in the butt because it will force them to pay better. But this is kinda going too far even for my liking. I wonder what kind of money they are ready to throw at Faker. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 31 2014 19:16 Fusilero wrote: Team king can be scratched off the kakao list also zombie WE might change their roster before LPL http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=120884&site=lol Kuro, lee, guger and gorilla out of najin. King in that tweet is referring to the WE leader, not Team King. | ||
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