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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 20:57 Archerylady wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:52 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:50 Archerylady wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:45 Archerylady wrote:
GOM is fucking pathetic. Funny that they say Naniwa is only in it for the money (not true at all), and then instantly invite Idra and Sen. Two players who are completely undeserving of Code S. Why? To keep foreigner viewership up. Because they don't care one bit about the competitors struggling in Code A, they care about money. Fucking hypocrites. they aren't players and while idra brings money it also brings what fans want to see so you're sort of trapping them. anything they do for the fans is also for the money... Because players aren't allowed to want money? You know, the players who could be making a lot more money in a more normal profession with their intelligence level, but instead choosing to devote years of their life to a game that pays almost nothing. Those players? Yeah fuck them for wanting some return on their thousand of hours of practice. not what I said. there's a difference between wanting to win money and only caring about money. the latter means if you can't win cash off a game you throw it away in the face of people who payed to watch you play, your fans, your team, and your opponent. but I didn't say they can't want to win money at all. they should want to win money. they should also have some self respect when it comes to games that aren't about money. Sorry but there is no honor or respect for anyone in GOM's decision. There is only money and ego in the minds of GOM higher-ups. Boot Naniwa because your ego is hurt, then invite two foreigners over much more deserving players to keep revenue up. I am not calling out GOM's kicking Naniwa here by the way, I am calling out their slander of Naniwa. GOM are hypocrites, plain and simple.
Last i checked they are in the business of making money...
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On December 14 2011 20:59 ander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:54 xrapture wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 EZSkull wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 razz wrote:
Respect to the people who payed is essential.
Respect to your opponent is essential.
Congratulations GOM for making an unpopular decision that defends the your principles! No it isn't. Only little kids and soccer mommies think that. Your forgetting Professionals in there. They also like to uphold their principles because integrity is important in adulthood. You'll find that out when you get older. LOL! Yeah, that's why the Colts sat every single starter for their last three games two seasons ago when they were gauranteed a playoff spot... That's why every single QB will come out once the game is beyond winning or losing. That's why every single coach runs BS plays until the clock runs out if they have no chance of winning. Oh wait... you're flat out wrong. Pros play for money. Little kids who cry about not being drafted play for "love of the sport". Here's the difference. You're using football. If the Colts play Manning in a game that doesn't effect seeding and he gets hurt then what? The difference between football and SC2; You can get hurt and out for the playoffs in Football. Horrible example. And yet the backups are still trying their asses off. They aren't just sitting down and letting the other team score. Their TEAM is not paying them to only play matches when they "matter" to them. Because the backups actually have a reason to be playing. People can look at that from either standpoint and say either "wtf, why is he trying so hard" OR "he really wants that starting position". He's a backup; he gets paid whether or not he tries hard, or even plays at all. The difference with the naniwa situation is that it just so happens that one side happens to have the ability to issue a ban depending on his opinion.
who out there ever had to ask why a person was trying hard at their job? at a competition? what
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On December 14 2011 20:56 trucane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:52 Koshi wrote:
When GSL January finals end with Nestea doing 5 worker rushes because he felt disheartened playing against MVP again, then I want to see the reaction of all people who think it is ok to trow matches... I'm sure there is something on line if you are playinh in a GSL final. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
Wouldn't be the first time nestea threw a final.
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On December 14 2011 20:56 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:52 Parcelleus wrote:
Might be time to follow BW.
SC2 scene just became a joke. What's really funny about this is anyone who has been following BW for a while knows KeSPA would have banned Naniwa permanently for throwing a game.
Yeah and they also disqualified a player for typing pp instead of ppp when he wanted to pause, koreans culture is clearly... different, and by different I mean fucking retarded.
User was warned for this post
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On December 14 2011 20:58 KaiJa wrote:
For someone that actually PAYS for my SC2 content I'm glad they revoked his spot. Why on earth would I PAY to see a probe rush? Are some of the people in this thread really that daft.
You're a Naniwa or Nestea sponsor? Otherwise, you're not paying them to do anything. They're not your puppets.
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On December 14 2011 20:57 zanga wrote:
GOMTV will regret this decision in the end of the day, gg
ye, i think yo.
way to stupid. way to harsh.
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On December 14 2011 20:58 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:55 Tobberoth wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:45 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat. it's that he said he did it to throw the game. Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong. 0% against 6 pool. Given any skill level? Yeah, no. Given if you're opponent is either Bronze or has no pulse, NesTea is neither Alright let's bring the BlizzCon finals into this. NesTea creates a ton of broodlords and nothing else when MVP has mass ghosts, many vikings, and marines. Zero percent chance of winning that engagement, should NesTea be reprimanded? If you argue "well it's not the GSL" then there goes the argument for "professionalizing eSports" because there will be no set standard. Your argument is retarded. You can't be banned for bad decision making in the later stages of a game, it's completely different to start a game, and immediately do something that will lose you the game. Don't even try to make the case that Naniwa thought his rush had any chance of winning, your embaressing naniwa, yourself, and the rest of us. Don't act like it's even a question whether or not he completely threw that game. Every pro completely agreed that NesTea threw the game. If you watched tonight's SotG, you'd hear JP, Tyler, Day9, and Incontrol talking about how NesTea threw that match and about how terrible of a game it way. NesTea and NaNiwa both threw games, the only difference is at what point in time. Ideally NesTea should have played it out to the very last chance if we're talking about professionalism and giving it your best.
Still different. Nestea could have just gg'ed, it's perfectly fine to give up after a game if you feel you can't win. Naniwa would have had to gg in the very start of the game to do the same thing. Are you oblivious to the difference, or are you just trolling?
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On December 14 2011 20:56 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:46 bella.test wrote:
As someone who doesn't even like Naniwa (don't know if I'd say I hate him, but I certainly don't like him), this is pretty fucking pathetic by GOM. Everyone talks about how Naniwa is an egotistical piece of crap, but this is a 100% ego move by GOMTV, and I will no longer buy any of their products, I also plan to watch a whole lot less of GSL next year.
Naniwa legitimately earned his code S spot. Revoking it simply because he did something that only made them look bad (but was probably a good thing overall for PR since all of the buzz it created) is extremely pathetic, especially when you consider that they (GOM and Naniwa) were only in that situation because of a terrible format (which is also nothing at all like the original Blizzard Cup format, and the only person to call GOM out on it is MVP, people should really be a lot more critical of GOM) that was created by GOM.
Also, even though I like Sen, giving him a code S seed is pretty lame. You can't just give a seed that was legitimately earned through a predetermined structure and give it to some random (not a knock against Sen's skill) foreigner because you revoked it from a foreigner. That's extremely unfair for all the players in code A and code B, if they're going to take away Naniwa's seed, it should become a wild card spot and become up for grabs.
All around, GOM is showing themselves to be just as classless as Naniwa. But unfortunately, there's nothing Naniwa can do because he's committed to Korea and there's no alternatives there, and there's nothing anyone who has gripes with GOM for their decision (and their decisions on other things) can do to affect GOM at all since they have a monopoly on the Korean players and they employ Tastosis (who people will watch no matter who's playing and how bad the games are, and will support no matter how wrong they are at things).
Again, this is pretty fucking pathetic. You seem to forget that it was Naniwa who played the game like that, given the situation. Also, Naniwa didn't "earn" his spot. He got 2nd at providence and GOM decided to give him a spot. It could've been someone else from WCG or IEM or whatever.
The GOMTV/MLG partnership gives a Code S seed to the highest placing none Code S player in top 3 at an MLG. Leenock got 1st and was in Code S, Naniwa got 2nd and wasn't in Code S. He earned his Code S as much as MMA, DRG and MC did.
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I really think they're stretching the rules a bit too far on this one, but you can't say Naniwa didn't have it coming.
I'm happy for Sen at least :D
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On December 14 2011 20:56 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:46 bella.test wrote:
As someone who doesn't even like Naniwa (don't know if I'd say I hate him, but I certainly don't like him), this is pretty fucking pathetic by GOM. Everyone talks about how Naniwa is an egotistical piece of crap, but this is a 100% ego move by GOMTV, and I will no longer buy any of their products, I also plan to watch a whole lot less of GSL next year.
Naniwa legitimately earned his code S spot. Revoking it simply because he did something that only made them look bad (but was probably a good thing overall for PR since all of the buzz it created) is extremely pathetic, especially when you consider that they (GOM and Naniwa) were only in that situation because of a terrible format (which is also nothing at all like the original Blizzard Cup format, and the only person to call GOM out on it is MVP, people should really be a lot more critical of GOM) that was created by GOM.
Also, even though I like Sen, giving him a code S seed is pretty lame. You can't just give a seed that was legitimately earned through a predetermined structure and give it to some random (not a knock against Sen's skill) foreigner because you revoked it from a foreigner. That's extremely unfair for all the players in code A and code B, if they're going to take away Naniwa's seed, it should become a wild card spot and become up for grabs.
All around, GOM is showing themselves to be just as classless as Naniwa. But unfortunately, there's nothing Naniwa can do because he's committed to Korea and there's no alternatives there, and there's nothing anyone who has gripes with GOM for their decision (and their decisions on other things) can do to affect GOM at all since they have a monopoly on the Korean players and they employ Tastosis (who people will watch no matter who's playing and how bad the games are, and will support no matter how wrong they are at things).
Again, this is pretty fucking pathetic. You seem to forget that it was Naniwa who played the game like that, given the situation. Also, Naniwa didn't "earn" his spot. He got 2nd at providence and GOM decided to give him a spot. It could've been someone else from WCG or IEM or whatever.
im sure best non codes out of top3 mlg gets codes always
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On December 14 2011 21:00 bigjenk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:56 trucane wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 Koshi wrote:
When GSL January finals end with Nestea doing 5 worker rushes because he felt disheartened playing against MVP again, then I want to see the reaction of all people who think it is ok to trow matches... I'm sure there is something on line if you are playinh in a GSL final. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm not. Wouldn't be the first time nestea threw a final.
ya, but he threw the game with style
apprantely that is okay..
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On December 14 2011 20:59 Vandalman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:57 Archerylady wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:50 Archerylady wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:45 Archerylady wrote:
GOM is fucking pathetic. Funny that they say Naniwa is only in it for the money (not true at all), and then instantly invite Idra and Sen. Two players who are completely undeserving of Code S. Why? To keep foreigner viewership up. Because they don't care one bit about the competitors struggling in Code A, they care about money. Fucking hypocrites. they aren't players and while idra brings money it also brings what fans want to see so you're sort of trapping them. anything they do for the fans is also for the money... Because players aren't allowed to want money? You know, the players who could be making a lot more money in a more normal profession with their intelligence level, but instead choosing to devote years of their life to a game that pays almost nothing. Those players? Yeah fuck them for wanting some return on their thousand of hours of practice. not what I said. there's a difference between wanting to win money and only caring about money. the latter means if you can't win cash off a game you throw it away in the face of people who payed to watch you play, your fans, your team, and your opponent. but I didn't say they can't want to win money at all. they should want to win money. they should also have some self respect when it comes to games that aren't about money. Sorry but there is no honor or respect for anyone in GOM's decision. There is only money and ego in the minds of GOM higher-ups. Boot Naniwa because your ego is hurt, then invite two foreigners over much more deserving players to keep revenue up. I am not calling out GOM's kicking Naniwa here by the way, I am calling out their slander of Naniwa. GOM are hypocrites, plain and simple. Last i checked they are in the business of making money...
And so are the progamers. You can't call out Naniwa for wanting to make money when GOM is no better. Hypocrisy at it's best
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There wouldn't even be a third of the outrage if this happened to a korean player.
people need to take off the foreigner goggles, they're worse than nostalgia goggles when it comes to starcraft 2
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On December 14 2011 20:58 EZSkull wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:55 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 EZSkull wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 razz wrote:
Respect to the people who payed is essential.
Respect to your opponent is essential.
Congratulations GOM for making an unpopular decision that defends the your principles! No it isn't. Only little kids and soccer mommies think that. Your forgetting Professionals in there. They also like to uphold their principles because integrity is important in adulthood. You'll find that out when you get older. LOL! Yeah, that's why the Colts sat every single starter for their last three games two seasons ago when they were gauranteed a playoff spot... That's why every single QB will come out once the game is beyond winning or losing. That's why every single coach runs BS plays until the clock runs out if they have no chance of winning. Oh wait... you're flat out wrong. Pros play for money. Little kids who cry about not being drafted play for "love of the sport". Here's the difference. You're using football. If the Colts play Manning in a game that doesn't effect seeding and he gets hurt then what? The difference between football and SC2; You can get hurt and out for the playoffs in Football. Horrible example. Now take my other examples and try to refute them using that same BS logic. Go ahead, I'll wait. How was what I said BS logic? Why do you think teams pull starters when they have the #1 seed locked up? It's not because they want to say "Screw the fans", they don't want their top players getting hurt. Please, for the love of god explain how what I said is BS, because it's not.
They don't want their players to get hurt. But they also don't give a shit about faking it. That's why you sometimes see teams shaking hands with time still on the clock, running down. Because they don't care. It's over. Everyone knows it's over. Only air bud fans are expecting anyone to keep playing.
You addressed one tiny part of my example and only addressed that = BS logic.
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Good thing that gomtv keeps its standards high.. dont want it to turn to an nasl where people just do walkovers and have day9 doing the royal rumble intro every single time...
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this is pathetic, no other word for it.
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what a joke decision... giving in to the fake outrage of some frustrated so called "pros" and a shitton of hurt fanboys - -
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On December 14 2011 20:59 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:58 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:56 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:54 xrapture wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 EZSkull wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 razz wrote:
Respect to the people who payed is essential.
Respect to your opponent is essential.
Congratulations GOM for making an unpopular decision that defends the your principles! No it isn't. Only little kids and soccer mommies think that. Your forgetting Professionals in there. They also like to uphold their principles because integrity is important in adulthood. You'll find that out when you get older. LOL! Yeah, that's why the Colts sat every single starter for their last three games two seasons ago when they were gauranteed a playoff spot... That's why every single QB will come out once the game is beyond winning or losing. That's why every single coach runs BS plays until the clock runs out if they have no chance of winning. Oh wait... you're flat out wrong. Pros play for money. Little kids who cry about not being drafted play for "love of the sport". Here's the difference. You're using football. If the Colts play Manning in a game that doesn't effect seeding and he gets hurt then what? The difference between football and SC2; You can get hurt and out for the playoffs in Football. Horrible example. And yet the backups are still trying their asses off. They aren't just sitting down and letting the other team score. Their TEAM is not paying them to only play matches when they "matter" to them. No they aren't trying their asses off, and yes they usually are just sitting and waiting for the game to end. but they play the goddamn game and it's amazing you're in the head of every back up player. I bet some of them have something to prove to the world, no? Not really. They usually just rush up the middle until the game is over. And rushing up the middle, because you obviously know nothing about football, is the equivalent of probe rushing. It has ZERO chance of working and is the quickest way to end the game without straight up forfeiting.
yeah I know nothing about football
except that, small difference with starcraft, you can get injured in a game of football.
RIGHT? I THINK I HEARD THAT SOMEWHERE, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME OH FOOTBALL EXPERT. channel the thoughts of every backup player to ever play and tell me
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Wow. I guess the community complained enough.
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On December 14 2011 20:57 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:56 tomatriedes wrote:On December 14 2011 20:54 Deadeight wrote:On December 14 2011 20:53 PoisedYeTi wrote:
Both player and tournament decisions are childish and unprofessional. I do not want to support GOMtv with my dollars anymore.
Zenio BACKHANDED idra when he beat him in a GSL game for god sake, WHERE IS HIS BAN? How is this the same thing? He backhanded that air after an good game, it was just a ceremony. If Naniwa had 'backhanded' a Korean player I doubt it would have been ignored. yeah, the culture that institutes the basic concept of a ceremony would be infuriated at the practice of said concept. I really just want to nuke this thread from orbit.
Just watch if it ever happens. If you really think there would be no reaction, you're super naive.
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