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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 21:02 ToasteR_ wrote:
Looks like this is the first season of GSL I won't be buying, probably won't purchase a season ticket any more. Way to go GOM...
You act like GOMTV made the choice for you to not buy the ticket and now you are deprived. You made that choice youself. If you buy to see one player then dont you get upset everytime he loses in the first round and you dont get to see him again for more than a month 
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On December 14 2011 21:03 Adamcakez wrote:
Good make an example of him. It was a disgrace what he did. Many top players couldve had that spot. IdrA's backkkk <3
Then they should have won a tournament, that guaranteed them a spot.
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"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"
WHAT? WHAT? .... WHAT? They should ban all the bitbybits and 1 base play as well.
I'm not gonna watch GSL January for sure, and I hope more ppl will join "Boycott GSL" in 2012
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I can remember some worker rushes in sc1 and those players werent disqualified by kespa...
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On December 14 2011 21:00 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:58 KaiJa wrote:
For someone that actually PAYS for my SC2 content I'm glad they revoked his spot. Why on earth would I PAY to see a probe rush? Are some of the people in this thread really that daft. You're a Naniwa or Nestea sponsor? Otherwise, you're not paying them to do anything. They're not your puppets.
You think Nani would be getting paid if no one watched e-sports?? What are you talking about? The only reason there are sponsors is because people watch.....Please tell me you just mistyped something.
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On December 14 2011 21:02 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:58 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:55 Tobberoth wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:45 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:
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a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat.
it's that he said he did it to throw the game. Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong. 0% against 6 pool. Given any skill level? Yeah, no. Given if you're opponent is either Bronze or has no pulse, NesTea is neither Alright let's bring the BlizzCon finals into this. NesTea creates a ton of broodlords and nothing else when MVP has mass ghosts, many vikings, and marines. Zero percent chance of winning that engagement, should NesTea be reprimanded? If you argue "well it's not the GSL" then there goes the argument for "professionalizing eSports" because there will be no set standard. Your argument is retarded. You can't be banned for bad decision making in the later stages of a game, it's completely different to start a game, and immediately do something that will lose you the game. Don't even try to make the case that Naniwa thought his rush had any chance of winning, your embaressing naniwa, yourself, and the rest of us. Don't act like it's even a question whether or not he completely threw that game. Every pro completely agreed that NesTea threw the game. If you watched tonight's SotG, you'd hear JP, Tyler, Day9, and Incontrol talking about how NesTea threw that match and about how terrible of a game it way. NesTea and NaNiwa both threw games, the only difference is at what point in time. Ideally NesTea should have played it out to the very last chance if we're talking about professionalism and giving it your best. ...they don't think nestea INTENTIONALLY threw that game. do you have any idea what anyone in this thread means when they say "threw" a game? how can you not understand the difference between going in knowing you're not trying at all and going in and not playing your best? they're not the same thing and I'll laugh my ass off if you try to insist otherwise with semantics like you've been doing all thread.
My point is that if Naniwa had not admitted to throwing the game, there would be no way to excuse NesTea for doing the what he did at Blizzcon. If Naniwa didn't admit it and he was still punished, according to the standardization of professionalism, Nestea would have to be too.
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On December 14 2011 21:02 TheExile19 wrote:
...they don't think nestea INTENTIONALLY threw that game. do you have any idea what anyone in this thread means when they say "threw" a game?
how can you not understand the difference between going in knowing you're not trying at all and going in and not playing your best? they're not the same thing and I'll laugh my ass off if you try to insist otherwise with semantics like you've been doing all thread.
Sorry to sat that's EXACTLY what they meant ! Watch the show again.
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fuck really wanted to see naniwa play next season...
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On December 14 2011 21:04 DrGreen wrote:
"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"
WHAT? WHAT? .... WHAT? They should ban all the bitbybits and 1 base play as well.
I'm not gonna watch GSL January for sure, and I hope more ppl will join "Boycott GSL" in 2012
+1
User was warned for this post
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On December 14 2011 21:01 Doublemint wrote:
what a joke decision... giving in to the fake outrage of some frustrated so called "pros" and a shitton of hurt fanboys - -
If they didn't make that decision, wouldn't they be giving in to naniwa fanboys and people like you?
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On December 14 2011 21:01 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:58 EZSkull wrote:On December 14 2011 20:55 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 EZSkull wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 razz wrote:
Respect to the people who payed is essential.
Respect to your opponent is essential.
Congratulations GOM for making an unpopular decision that defends the your principles! No it isn't. Only little kids and soccer mommies think that. Your forgetting Professionals in there. They also like to uphold their principles because integrity is important in adulthood. You'll find that out when you get older. LOL! Yeah, that's why the Colts sat every single starter for their last three games two seasons ago when they were gauranteed a playoff spot... That's why every single QB will come out once the game is beyond winning or losing. That's why every single coach runs BS plays until the clock runs out if they have no chance of winning. Oh wait... you're flat out wrong. Pros play for money. Little kids who cry about not being drafted play for "love of the sport". Here's the difference. You're using football. If the Colts play Manning in a game that doesn't effect seeding and he gets hurt then what? The difference between football and SC2; You can get hurt and out for the playoffs in Football. Horrible example. Now take my other examples and try to refute them using that same BS logic. Go ahead, I'll wait. How was what I said BS logic? Why do you think teams pull starters when they have the #1 seed locked up? It's not because they want to say "Screw the fans", they don't want their top players getting hurt. Please, for the love of god explain how what I said is BS, because it's not. They don't want their players to get hurt. But they also don't give a shit about faking it. That's why you sometimes see teams shaking hands with time still on the clock, running down. Because they don't care. It's over. Everyone knows it's over. Only air bud fans are expecting anyone to keep playing. You addressed one tiny part of my example and only addressed that = BS logic.
The injury example works for every single one of your points. End of the game, :10 seconds left and you're down 21 points, why would you throw up a Hail Mary pass? You aren't scoring 21 points with 10 seconds and if you start throwing crazy passes with bodies all around, now your risking injury to any of your players. If the winning team has the ball, same thing applies and on top of that, why do something risky that will cost you the game.
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On December 14 2011 20:52 Koshi wrote:
When GSL January finals end with Nestea doing 5 worker rushes because he felt disheartened playing against MVP again, then I want to see the reaction of all people who think it is ok to trow matches...
uhh, they won't care because they think it's ok to throw matches? what's your point...
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On December 14 2011 20:32 Vandalman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:29 Chromodoris wrote:
I would understand if they fined him for the money he got from blizzard cup, but having his Code S spot revoked is just plain bullshit. He earned that spot at MLG and then they revoke it because he didn't play a worthless game? Worthless to who? Nani? People want to watch good SC2 games, people pay to watch good SC2 games. Sponsors pay an organization in hopes of good SC2 games.
Sponsors don't pay in hopes of good games lol. They pay for exposure and
commercial to make them more profit.
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On December 14 2011 21:03 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:25 Full.tilt wrote:
Idra is intensively undergoing "gg" training right now. This made my day. Imagine Boxer standing above Idra and saying "Why you no GG?"
Fuck you got me with that one.
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My theory: GOM were holding a grudge against Naniwa for some reason (I guess it's kinda easy to do that since Naniwa isn't always a very likeable individual) - they saw an opportunity to "get rid of him" - and boom. To say the least, Naniwa doesn't really fit in on the whole asian honor, pride and respect ideals, I believe he was considered a player unpredictable and out of control which is a nightmare for any control freak corporations.
Now that I think of it, it's likely this "grudge" stems from the whole Nestea ordeal during MLG seeing as Nestea is their korean sweetie and all. No way the punishment would be the same for someone who otherwise comes off as respectful and likeable. Naniwa just got stabbed in the back.
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On December 14 2011 20:52 Koshi wrote:
When GSL January finals end with Nestea doing 5 worker rushes because he felt disheartened playing against MVP again, then I want to see the reaction of all people who think it is ok to trow matches...
Giving up on the GSL finals from the start and giving up on a group match game where you're both already eliminated are quite different. It's really not that uncommon in MLG for players to just choose not to show up to placement matches when they're already out of the running, and while Naniwa's case is certainly different, you can't just label everything as "throwing matches." The circumstances play a big role.
I'd have been happier if there had been more discussion, less quick punishment. In other GSL tournaments, they don't play games that no longer effect advancement; they also don't take any issue with BM, ceremonies, cheese, etc. I feel like Mr. Chae could have helped things by explaining Gom's stance on why they wanted the game played and why they feel that Naniwa's worker rush was so disrespectful. Even if you don't agree with them, I think the gesture of them explaining their stance would help sooth things a bit.
What really bothers me though is the language in the statement, calling Naniwa an amateur prize money hunter... Seriously? Amateur? Only in it for the money? For one thing, neither of those really seem fair to apply to Naniwa, and secondly, outright slandering someone like that is pretty low and unprofessional.
I'm curious what Naniwa will do after this. While losing a Code S seed is pretty damn big, it's not like he's banned from competing, and since he wants to be the best I'd imagine he'll keep trying to qualify, so we'll hopefully see him in GSL again. It's just really unfortunate; I don't think anyone has handled this well, actually -- while I understand Naniwa, it was a stupid thing to do, but Gom's reaction has also been pretty shitty imo.
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So after reading the rule:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"
I think Quantic should sue GOM as it is the normal way to procceed. This is business and it's about a lot of money. Just imagine a league in non-e-sports did that to a player/team. No one would just accept that on a rule like this but fight for his rights.
There are definitions of offense in law. People can't just make up anything they want - just because they say they felt offended by it. Naniwas match wasn't anything close to an offense towards anyone.
That ruling should get crushed by any court easily.
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On December 14 2011 21:02 ander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:59 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:57 nimdil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:41 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:39 nimdil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:35 ander wrote:
Yeah man, i agree with GOM, lets revoke Code-S status to players who use silly strategies in games and fall back on our incredibly vague rulebook that can be interpreted infinitely; especially if you aren't in tune with Korean culture despite the moniker "Global Starcraft League" In my eyes GSL is no more. It's obviously GomTV Korean Starcraft League so KSL which just happens to be top level SC2 league. What a joke. this is pathetic you pretend naniwa didn't do something that bothered people so you can cling to some idea of racism ...when they replaced him with non korean That's stupid. I'm not accusing them of racism or anything. For me it just seems that they made a decision based on some cultural shinanigans, not on rules. but it is in the rules and it is also their culture. in their country and their company and their tournament. calling it the korean star league as an insult is ridiculous and does make it seem like you're accusing them of racism. Please, link me to the rule that says "worker rushing is not allowed and is punishable by suspension." It's completely arbitrary. Naniwa didn't act as he did because he thought that he would receive backlash. He didn't act the way he did to specifically piss off Koreans.
you've seen the rule already I'm sure
and worker rushing isn't banned. but you already know this.
it's not completely arbitrary but it leaves room for the interpretation of the people running the league, just like many rules in many competitions.
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On December 14 2011 21:03 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:25 Full.tilt wrote:
Idra is intensively undergoing "gg" training right now. This made my day. Imagine Boxer standing above Idra and saying "Why you no GG?"
Grack? Greg? Grack ? T_T
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On December 14 2011 21:04 DrGreen wrote:
"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"
WHAT? WHAT? .... WHAT? They should ban all the bitbybits and 1 base play as well.
I'm not gonna watch GSL January for sure, and I hope more ppl will join "Boycott GSL" in 2012
1 base play = worker rush people. you fuckin' heard it here, because 1 base play also has a zero win rate just like worker rushing so it's an amazing analogy.
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