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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 21:02 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:59 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:45 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat. it's that he said he did it to throw the game. Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong. 0% against 6 pool. Given any skill level? Yeah, no. Given if you're opponent is either Bronze or has no pulse, NesTea is neither Alright let's bring the BlizzCon finals into this. NesTea creates a ton of broodlords and nothing else when MVP has mass ghosts, many vikings, and marines. Zero percent chance of winning that engagement, should NesTea be reprimanded? If you argue "well it's not the GSL" then there goes the argument for "professionalizing eSports" because there will be no set standard. Well thats a entirely different thing. For that match it meant the difference between 1st and 2nd place and almost twice the price money for first. You cant compare that match with the one Naniwa played against NesTea which was a consolation match. Also that game was strange by itself. Who knew what NesTea was thinking? Maybe he thought he units somewhere on the map but they were killed? There was no real proof that NesTea threw the game unlike Naniwa who stated clearly he threw the game on his Twitter. Prize money doesn't matter. According to professionalism you're supposed to be trying your hardest in every match regardless of reward. That's what makes it comparable. Like I said in another post, pros have said that a bronze leaguer could make a better choice in that point of time when it comes to making the broodlords, it's the same decision making as Naniwa deciding to worker rush. The only difference is that Naniwa explicitly stated that he threw the game, if he said "well I thought it would work" there would be no argument against him when compared to NesTea's throw at Blizzcon
Theres a difference between going into a game with a mindset of losing and also committing to a strategy that will lose for sure than making a brain-fart decision mistake late-game(which may or may not have happened or plainly NesTea thought he was going to lose anyway).
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On December 14 2011 21:02 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:01 Doublemint wrote:
what a joke decision... giving in to the fake outrage of some frustrated so called "pros" and a shitton of hurt fanboys - - lol the irony
so called "pro" and a shitton of hurt fanboys
lol
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No GSL for me in january. This is ridiculous.
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On December 14 2011 21:03 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:25 Full.tilt wrote:
Idra is intensively undergoing "gg" training right now. This made my day. Imagine Boxer standing above Idra and saying "Why you no GG?"
Because he plays Ter.... oh wait.
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SOOOOO happy i didn't that premium ticket!!.. this is so dumb. Punishing a player for probe rushing in a match that didnt matter. I wonder what they would have done if he just 4-gated.
I just hope people can refund their tickets.
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I dislike Naniwa, however I think this was the wrong decision. Bad on GOM's part imo
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If you are pissed and intend not to buy a ticket, don't post here, post on the gomtv forums! That way they can actually see how much they are losing.
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On December 14 2011 21:04 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:03 Adamcakez wrote:
Good make an example of him. It was a disgrace what he did. Many top players couldve had that spot. IdrA's backkkk <3 Then they should have won a tournament, that guaranteed them a spot.
Or you know, come second from an EXTREMELY advantageous seeded position...
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On December 14 2011 21:00 The Void wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:57 zanga wrote:
GOMTV will regret this decision in the end of the day, gg ye, i think yo. way to stupid. way to harsh.
i think and hope so! but now sen already got nanis spot, so they cant change anything back even if they wanted (what they maaaaybe want, but never could say)
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On December 14 2011 21:05 SedativeDev wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:32 Vandalman wrote:On December 14 2011 20:29 Chromodoris wrote:
I would understand if they fined him for the money he got from blizzard cup, but having his Code S spot revoked is just plain bullshit. He earned that spot at MLG and then they revoke it because he didn't play a worthless game? Worthless to who? Nani? People want to watch good SC2 games, people pay to watch good SC2 games. Sponsors pay an organization in hopes of good SC2 games. Sponsors don't pay in hopes of good games lol. They pay for exposure and commercial to make them more profit.
better games brings more exposure
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On December 14 2011 20:58 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:55 Tobberoth wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:45 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat. it's that he said he did it to throw the game. Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong. 0% against 6 pool. Given any skill level? Yeah, no. Given if you're opponent is either Bronze or has no pulse, NesTea is neither Alright let's bring the BlizzCon finals into this. NesTea creates a ton of broodlords and nothing else when MVP has mass ghosts, many vikings, and marines. Zero percent chance of winning that engagement, should NesTea be reprimanded? If you argue "well it's not the GSL" then there goes the argument for "professionalizing eSports" because there will be no set standard. Your argument is retarded. You can't be banned for bad decision making in the later stages of a game, it's completely different to start a game, and immediately do something that will lose you the game. Don't even try to make the case that Naniwa thought his rush had any chance of winning, your embaressing naniwa, yourself, and the rest of us. Don't act like it's even a question whether or not he completely threw that game. Every pro completely agreed that NesTea threw the game. If you watched tonight's SotG, you'd hear JP, Tyler, Day9, and Incontrol talking about how NesTea threw that match and about how terrible of a game it way. NesTea and NaNiwa both threw games, the only difference is at what point in time. Ideally NesTea should have played it out to the very last chance if we're talking about professionalism and giving it your best.
Since when JP, Tyler, Day9, and Incontrol became an expert in SC2?
If you want to accuse someone of throwing a game, at least have some solid evidence to back it up.
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Well definitely not watching GSL after that 
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On December 14 2011 21:03 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:02 ander wrote:On December 14 2011 20:59 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:57 nimdil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:41 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:39 nimdil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:35 ander wrote:
Yeah man, i agree with GOM, lets revoke Code-S status to players who use silly strategies in games and fall back on our incredibly vague rulebook that can be interpreted infinitely; especially if you aren't in tune with Korean culture despite the moniker "Global Starcraft League" In my eyes GSL is no more. It's obviously GomTV Korean Starcraft League so KSL which just happens to be top level SC2 league. What a joke. this is pathetic you pretend naniwa didn't do something that bothered people so you can cling to some idea of racism ...when they replaced him with non korean That's stupid. I'm not accusing them of racism or anything. For me it just seems that they made a decision based on some cultural shinanigans, not on rules. but it is in the rules and it is also their culture. in their country and their company and their tournament. calling it the korean star league as an insult is ridiculous and does make it seem like you're accusing them of racism. Please, link me to the rule that says "worker rushing is not allowed and is punishable by suspension." It's completely arbitrary. Naniwa didn't act as he did because he thought that he would receive backlash. He didn't act the way he did to specifically piss off Koreans. worker rush that involves 1-a and proceed to might as well jerk off for the remaining 2 minutes can't be anymore blatant than that. and it doesn't work, ever. Its like trying to float your cc to a corner of the map and calls it "strategy" and thinks its not throwing the game away
You didn't address my post at all. What rule did he break?
The fact is there is no rule that isn't incredibly ambiguous and open for completely interpretation.
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On December 14 2011 21:05 Mouzone wrote:
My theory: GOM were holding a grudge against Naniwa for some reason (I guess it's kinda easy to do that since Naniwa isn't always a very likeable individual) - they saw an opportunity to "get rid of him" - and boom. To say the least, Naniwa doesn't really fit in on the whole asian honor, pride and respect ideals, I believe he was considered a player unpredictable and out of control which is a nightmare for any control freak corporations.
Now that I think of it, it's likely this "grudge" stems from the whole Nestea ordeal during MLG seeing as Nestea is their korean sweetie and all. No way the punishment would be the same for someone who otherwise comes off as respectful and likeable. Naniwa just got stabbed in the back.
It makes sense IMO.
I hate to say it but
I think that the Koreans were kind-of offended that they would cringe at the thought of him winning the GSL.
After all the Koreans seemed really offended from their twitter responses. So if Naniwa won Code S they would be Shamed
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The funniest thing is that if he had 4 gated, none of this would have happened (even though the mindset is the same, quick game just to get over it).
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As long as Naniwa isn't in code S, I won't be buying any gomtv tickets.
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The amount of swedes defending Naniwa is insane, He got what he deserved, I bet if it was a korean who did the same thing he would get fuuucked up, so be happy GOM went easy, he's banned for 1 season nothing more.
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On December 14 2011 21:05 Mouzone wrote:
My theory: GOM were holding a grudge against Naniwa for some reason (I guess it's kinda easy to do that since Naniwa isn't always a very likeable individual) - they saw an opportunity to "get rid of him" - and boom. To say the least, Naniwa doesn't really fit in on the whole asian honor, pride and respect ideals, I believe he was considered a player unpredictable and out of control which is a nightmare for any control freak corporations.
Now that I think of it, it's likely this "grudge" stems from the whole Nestea ordeal during MLG seeing as Nestea is their korean sweetie and all. No way the punishment would be the same for someone who otherwise comes off as respectful and likeable. Naniwa just got stabbed in the back.
Look out, its the Bourne Conspiracy and GOM is trying to cover it up!
The hate in here is so amazingly funny :D This is ridiculous..
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On December 14 2011 21:05 EZSkull wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:01 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:58 EZSkull wrote:On December 14 2011 20:55 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:52 EZSkull wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 razz wrote:
Respect to the people who payed is essential.
Respect to your opponent is essential.
Congratulations GOM for making an unpopular decision that defends the your principles! No it isn't. Only little kids and soccer mommies think that. Your forgetting Professionals in there. They also like to uphold their principles because integrity is important in adulthood. You'll find that out when you get older. LOL! Yeah, that's why the Colts sat every single starter for their last three games two seasons ago when they were gauranteed a playoff spot... That's why every single QB will come out once the game is beyond winning or losing. That's why every single coach runs BS plays until the clock runs out if they have no chance of winning. Oh wait... you're flat out wrong. Pros play for money. Little kids who cry about not being drafted play for "love of the sport". Here's the difference. You're using football. If the Colts play Manning in a game that doesn't effect seeding and he gets hurt then what? The difference between football and SC2; You can get hurt and out for the playoffs in Football. Horrible example. Now take my other examples and try to refute them using that same BS logic. Go ahead, I'll wait. How was what I said BS logic? Why do you think teams pull starters when they have the #1 seed locked up? It's not because they want to say "Screw the fans", they don't want their top players getting hurt. Please, for the love of god explain how what I said is BS, because it's not. They don't want their players to get hurt. But they also don't give a shit about faking it. That's why you sometimes see teams shaking hands with time still on the clock, running down. Because they don't care. It's over. Everyone knows it's over. Only air bud fans are expecting anyone to keep playing. You addressed one tiny part of my example and only addressed that = BS logic. The injury example works for every single one of your points. End of the game, :10 seconds left and you're down 21 points, why would you throw up a Hail Mary pass? You aren't scoring 21 points with 10 seconds and if you start throwing crazy passes with bodies all around, now your risking injury to any of your players. If the winning team has the ball, same thing applies and on top of that, why do something risky that will cost you the game. They could get hurt on a rushing play. If that is the only reason why not kneel ever play? They rush because little girlies who have watched too much Rudy will SCREAM if they don't.
I love the attitude though:
"It's okay for football players to not pretend, they might get hurt. If you won't get hurt you have to pretend FOR ME!!!!"
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On December 14 2011 18:39 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
Yeah it's pretty disgusting...
But the people who are glad that it happened are just plain pathetic.
I hope you get warned for your ignorance. Naniwa brought shame on the foreign scene as a whole with his decision. Am I alone in feeling embarrassed as a foreigner?
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