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On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not.
There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment.
If they added this rule about "not offending a player or the audience" in hindsight though, then it may have been the wrong decision though. I wasn't aware this rule was added in AFTER the this incident.
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Obviously what he did there was wrong, he could have went up to a staff and explain to them that he has no motivation to play, and if the staff member forces him to play, then he could have played a 1 base all in attack and finish it quickly. Have you ever seen a match where a person scores on his own goal when there was no chance for them to qualify to the next round? What Naniwa did there was wrong and basically wanted to make drama
Btw are you seeing Tevez right now from ManCity? He refuses to play 1 game just becuz he didn't want to, so that's why he hasn't been playing since and will prob be sold somewhere else. (Just like nanwai, he can play somewhere else but not on gom)
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On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment.
In that case, the coach is actually punished much more severely than the player. Which shows that GOM should be taking more of the responsibility for this episode since they created the useless-match format.
On December 15 2011 01:33 Aidik wrote:
Obviously what he did there was wrong, he could have went up to a staff and explain to them that he has no motivation to play, and if the staff member forces him to play, then he could have played a 1 base all in attack and finish it quickly. Have you ever seen a match where a person scores on his own goal when there was no chance for them to qualify to the next round? What Naniwa did there was wrong and basically wanted to make drama
Create drama? For someone who clearly doesn't give two shits about anything but winning to suddenly want to create drama? Pulling at strings much bro?
Also - what NaNi did is NOT the equivalent of purposely scoring an own goal. What he did is like forfeiting a match that doesn't matter to the tournament results. Or, more accurately, what he did is like knowing he isn't going to the playoffs because he has no way of qualifying (any sport), and then not playing at a sliver near his hardest to ensure he doesn't get hurt. Professional soccer, football, tennis, anything, will purposely not try hard in a worthless match to ensure they don't ruin their future opportunities.
Since NaNi most likely had a only-for-NesTea strat he is ensuring his future opportunity to beat him by hiding his anti-NesTea strats.
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On December 15 2011 01:24 bobohobo wrote:
Good decision by GOM. Naniwa clearly broke a discretionary rule. Discretionary rules are neither arbitrary or made up on the spot. The rule has always existed. It's common for any tournament and organization to have discretionary rules in place for situations like this. What Naniwa did was more than offensive in Korean culture, not to mention a lot of fans are offended too. It's not the first time Naniwa received repercussion for his behaviour. It's no surprised that GOM ruled against Naniwa. People need to stop blowing it out of proportion, he was not banned. Sen and idra got their code s spots from sponsor seeds. It's two totally separate things. I will show my support for GOM and GSL by purchasing a season ticket.
Hear hear, the barometer for revoking a spot is the "offense" a spectator feels. How about in the days when blacks weren't allowed in baseball for example. The teams that did that should have been ejected too because they offended some people? It was an unwritten rule that blacks weren't allowed after all. A discretionary rule i mean. Excuse me.
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On December 15 2011 01:33 Chronald wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. In that case, the coach is actually punished much more severely than the player. Which shows that GOM should be taking more of the responsibility for this episode since they created the useless-match format.
I agree with that, though.
Like I said in my 1st post: GOM will have to learn from this and stop using the kind of format which might produce these sorts of meaningless matches.
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sorry i just cant support this decision. Im done with the GSL
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On December 15 2011 01:36 UBavarice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:33 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. In that case, the coach is actually punished much more severely than the player. Which shows that GOM should be taking more of the responsibility for this episode since they created the useless-match format. I agree with that, though. Like I said in my 1st post: GOM will have to learn from this and stop using the kind of format which might produce these sorts of meaningless matches.
But the players are only fined money, while the coaches time. NaNi is being fined with time , while he should have just gotten a monetary fine.
He spent months preparing for GSL Code S, and suddenly gets it revoked on the goal line for one mistake that has been blown out of proportion? That is obviously too harsh.
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On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. If they added this rule about "not offending a player or the audience" in hindsight though, then it may have been the wrong decision though. I wasn't aware this rule was added in AFTER the this incident.
I agree with you on that and I understand what you're attempting to show through the example but Naniwa did not purposely go out to injure someone or break a rule (red card). And there was no resulting benefit or loss to anyone involved. So not quite synonymous to your example. But its quite insidious to create a rule after an event and eject a player based on that simply because you were unhappy.
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Sometimes one mistake costs you your life and you cannot undo the mistake Chronald =]
Just saying.
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On December 15 2011 01:38 Chronald wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:36 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:33 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. In that case, the coach is actually punished much more severely than the player. Which shows that GOM should be taking more of the responsibility for this episode since they created the useless-match format. I agree with that, though. Like I said in my 1st post: GOM will have to learn from this and stop using the kind of format which might produce these sorts of meaningless matches. But the players are only fined money, while the coaches time. NaNi is being fined with time , while he should have just gotten a monetary fine. He spent months preparing for GSL Code S, and suddenly gets it revoked on the goal line for one mistake that has been blown out of proportion? That is obviously too harsh.
Objectively, the punishment for the crime in this particular incident is really harsh, yes, and most probably out of proportion as well.
But you have to see it from GOM's though. They've had problem with these kind of incidents before (the CoCa thing for example) and they want to send a message which they hope'll make sure this incident doesn't repeat itself.
Now Nani happens to be at the end of this harsh punishment, which sucks for him. But in a sense, he did bring it on himself by acting inapporprietly.
It might be wrong in a strict, technical sense though, I give you that.
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It doesn't matter if the game was "meaningless" as far as the tournament goes, there are people paying money to see these games, meaningful or not. Was very unprofessional and disrepectful by Naniwa. Learn to control your tilting - you're supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL. Professionals do their job with their full effort regardless of what is at stake. Obviously that was too much for Naniwa - he's not a professional. Enjoy your flight home.
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You go to someone else´s event, make them look bad, acts surprised when they get mad.
LOL naniwa.
I wouldn´t be too worried nani still can qualify for the GSL, but he will have to earn his Code S spot.
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In what world is worker rushing a punishable insult and retarded timing pushes or cheeses are not?
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On December 15 2011 01:26 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:24 bobohobo wrote:
Good decision by GOM. Naniwa clearly broke a discretionary rule. Discretionary rules are neither arbitrary or made up on the spot. The rule has always existed. It's common for any tournament and organization to have discretionary rules in place for situations like this. What Naniwa did was more than offensive in Korean culture, not to mention a lot of fans are offended too. It's not the first time Naniwa received repercussion for his behaviour. It's no surprised that GOM ruled against Naniwa. People need to stop blowing it out of proportion, he was not banned. Sen and idra got their code s spots from sponsor seeds. It's two totally separate things. I will show my support for GOM and GSL by purchasing a season ticket. What GOM did was blow it out of proportion and this discretionary rule you speak of is hogwash. The Koreans feel their culture is threatened and took it to the extreme. Frigging ridiculous.
There's no way GOM could let Naniwa off the hook for what he did. It was extremely unprofessional. You should realize that even if Naniwa didn't break any official rules (which he did). The lack of respect Naniwa and BM attitude has shown calls for the discretionary rule to be applied against him. It's also not just Korean culture, you can see many fans around the world agreeing with the decision, including myself.
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On December 15 2011 01:41 wangstra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. If they added this rule about "not offending a player or the audience" in hindsight though, then it may have been the wrong decision though. I wasn't aware this rule was added in AFTER the this incident. I agree with you on that and I understand what you're attempting to show through the example but Naniwa did not purposely go out to injure someone or break a rule (red card). And there was no resulting benefit or loss to anyone involved. So not quite synonymous to your example. But its quite insidious to create a rule after an event and eject a player based on that simply because you were unhappy.
1. Yeah, it actually wasn't the best example retrospectively... But when a football team is eliminated in pool play in a tournament (CL for example) they do still play their matches out. They don't just stand there and let the other team score 100 goals without trying.
2. I agree with this, though. You can't just create a new rule out of nowhere because it would benefit your standpoint.
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this is unjust.
practically ZERO tolerance to someone who hasnt bothered to study Korean culture inside out.
not only that, but the Koreans actually proceed to lash out at Naniwa with insults that are recognizable everywhere.
-1 fan for the GSL and Korea in general
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On December 15 2011 01:43 UBavarice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:38 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:36 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:33 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. In that case, the coach is actually punished much more severely than the player. Which shows that GOM should be taking more of the responsibility for this episode since they created the useless-match format. I agree with that, though. Like I said in my 1st post: GOM will have to learn from this and stop using the kind of format which might produce these sorts of meaningless matches. But the players are only fined money, while the coaches time. NaNi is being fined with time , while he should have just gotten a monetary fine. He spent months preparing for GSL Code S, and suddenly gets it revoked on the goal line for one mistake that has been blown out of proportion? That is obviously too harsh. Objectively, the punishment for the crime in this particular incident is really harsh, yes, and most probably out of proportion as well. But you have to see it from GOM's though. They've had problem with these kind of incidents before (the CoCa thing for example) and they want to send a message which they hope'll make sure this incident doesn't repeat itself. Now Nani happens to be at the end of this harsh punishment, which sucks for him. But in a sense, he did bring it on himself by acting inapporprietly. It might be wrong in a strict, technical sense though, I give you that.
end of it? coca is banned indefinitely, and all naniwa had was a cancelled free ride to code S. He's not banned, he can still play in GSL, he got it off extremely light
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On December 15 2011 01:35 wangstra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:24 bobohobo wrote:
Good decision by GOM. Naniwa clearly broke a discretionary rule. Discretionary rules are neither arbitrary or made up on the spot. The rule has always existed. It's common for any tournament and organization to have discretionary rules in place for situations like this. What Naniwa did was more than offensive in Korean culture, not to mention a lot of fans are offended too. It's not the first time Naniwa received repercussion for his behaviour. It's no surprised that GOM ruled against Naniwa. People need to stop blowing it out of proportion, he was not banned. Sen and idra got their code s spots from sponsor seeds. It's two totally separate things. I will show my support for GOM and GSL by purchasing a season ticket. Hear hear, the barometer for revoking a spot is the "offense" a spectator feels. How about in the days when blacks weren't allowed in baseball for example. The teams that did that should have been ejected too because they offended some people? It was an unwritten rule that blacks weren't allowed after all. A discretionary rule i mean. Excuse me.
For the record, GOM never said they revoked his seed based on that rule. It's just one of the rules that someone dug up. Someone else found a discretionary rule dating back to the Open Season that allows GOM to strip players of their spot if they are deemed to be unfit to play. There's two rules that can possibly justify what GOM did and both were written.
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On December 15 2011 01:44 3772 wrote:
In what world is worker rushing a punishable insult and retarded timing pushes or cheeses are not?
it wasn't just a worker rush, it was a 6 probe rush follows by 1-a follows by hands on chins and do nothing
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On December 15 2011 01:38 Chronald wrote:
But the players are only fined money, while the coaches time. NaNi is being fined with time , while he should have just gotten a monetary fine.
He spent months preparing for GSL Code S, and suddenly gets it revoked on the goal line for one mistake that has been blown out of proportion? That is obviously too harsh.
He was on the goal line and when his QB hiked the ball, Naniwa put his hands in his pockets and said "F*** YOU TEAM, THIS GAME IS MEANINGLESS, HURRY UP WITH THIS LAST PLAY AND LETS GO HOME!" The head coach then went ahead and released/kicked him off the team. Makes perfect sense to me.
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