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On December 15 2011 01:48 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:43 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:38 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:36 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:33 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. In that case, the coach is actually punished much more severely than the player. Which shows that GOM should be taking more of the responsibility for this episode since they created the useless-match format. I agree with that, though. Like I said in my 1st post: GOM will have to learn from this and stop using the kind of format which might produce these sorts of meaningless matches. But the players are only fined money, while the coaches time. NaNi is being fined with time , while he should have just gotten a monetary fine. He spent months preparing for GSL Code S, and suddenly gets it revoked on the goal line for one mistake that has been blown out of proportion? That is obviously too harsh. Objectively, the punishment for the crime in this particular incident is really harsh, yes, and most probably out of proportion as well. But you have to see it from GOM's though. They've had problem with these kind of incidents before (the CoCa thing for example) and they want to send a message which they hope'll make sure this incident doesn't repeat itself. Now Nani happens to be at the end of this harsh punishment, which sucks for him. But in a sense, he did bring it on himself by acting inapporprietly. It might be wrong in a strict, technical sense though, I give you that. end of it? coca is banned indefinitely, and all naniwa had was a cancelled free ride to code S. He's not banned, he can still play in GSL, he got it off extremely light
Light? Light? He shouldn't have been punished at all. By GOM's logic, anyone who cheeses is offending their opponent and audience, and should have their Code A/S seed removed.
Don't you see how silly they are being? Or are you overcome with mob-mentality NaNi hate?
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naniwa has always been bm...since wc3.
there's no choice here: it is the korean's turf and they do not tolerate his behaviour.
end of story.
next time, hopefully, he will know better.
or not.
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On December 15 2011 01:50 Chronald wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:48 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:43 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:38 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:36 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:33 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. In that case, the coach is actually punished much more severely than the player. Which shows that GOM should be taking more of the responsibility for this episode since they created the useless-match format. I agree with that, though. Like I said in my 1st post: GOM will have to learn from this and stop using the kind of format which might produce these sorts of meaningless matches. But the players are only fined money, while the coaches time. NaNi is being fined with time , while he should have just gotten a monetary fine. He spent months preparing for GSL Code S, and suddenly gets it revoked on the goal line for one mistake that has been blown out of proportion? That is obviously too harsh. Objectively, the punishment for the crime in this particular incident is really harsh, yes, and most probably out of proportion as well. But you have to see it from GOM's though. They've had problem with these kind of incidents before (the CoCa thing for example) and they want to send a message which they hope'll make sure this incident doesn't repeat itself. Now Nani happens to be at the end of this harsh punishment, which sucks for him. But in a sense, he did bring it on himself by acting inapporprietly. It might be wrong in a strict, technical sense though, I give you that. end of it? coca is banned indefinitely, and all naniwa had was a cancelled free ride to code S. He's not banned, he can still play in GSL, he got it off extremely light Light? Light? He shouldn't have been punished at all. By GOM's logic, anyone who cheeses is offending their opponent and audience, and should have their Code A/S seed removed. Don't you see how silly they are being? Or are you overcome with mob-mentality NaNi hate?
he MATCH FIXED. It isn't about cheesing, or using weird strat. It was blatant match fixing
On top of spitting on the tournament ethics, bm, and disrespect.
He didn't care, he did NOTHING that entire game but throw it away, in a quite obvious manner. He should have gotten far worse punishment
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To those of your who think that GOM is committing some tremendous injustice, try getting a grip. GOM runs their OWN tournament and they make the rules. If they wish to promote a professional environment (and God bless them for that, personally) then they are fully within their rights (and I would go so far as to say obligated) to punish those who tarnish their image. You can whine about the format of the Blizzard Cup all you want, but if it was really so bad, then Naniwa should have boycotted it. You can't sign up for an event and tacitly agree to its regulations and then suddenly turn around and throw a fit when things don't go your way. Naniwa was fully aware of the format before he joined. If it was really such a problem, he could have refused to play. If anything, that would have been a mature, powerful statement. This is just whining.
As to those trying to equivocate between cheese and worker rushes, let me make the following analogy: cheese is like playing your B-team. It's weaker and gimmicky, but it has the potential for entertainment (tonnes of cheese games have been extremely hilarious/exciting and unique) and its ostensibly done for the purposes of winning. Worker rushing is like scoring on your own net. It's disrespectful to your opponent, denies any possibility of entertainment for the fans, and is just mean spirited. If Naniwa thought the game was meaningless, he could have just forfeited. No need to express his immaturity on the grand stage. Ultimately, players should be playing because that's what they want to do. If they can't even uphold the integrity of their sport, then they don't deserve to be professional players. End of discussion.
Tl;dr this has absolutely nothing to do with "Korean culture" (a convenient stereotype of a pseudo-medieval world which gets trotted out whenever a Korean reprimands someone's favourite player) and everything to do with creating a professional groundwork for the growth of Sc2 as an eSport. This is good for Sc2 in every way.
(Also lol@ half the mad people being from Sweden).
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I think this was just a case of very bad sportsmanship. One should frown upon it and you may get disinvited for such behaviour. Personally I would have liked to see an awesome match between two incredible players. And since the outcome did not matter, some creative craziness would have been nice and not this. This leaves a stale taste.
My two pennies: In the grand scheme of things this decision is in the interest of e-sports as such games will only upset the audience, especially paying customers.
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If it was a korean who did that and got their Code S spot revoked, you wouldn't care. Seriously Naniwa is in a different country he can't dick around.
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People need to ask themselves these questions:
1. Did you enjoy watching Naniwa vs. Nestea?
2. Would you want this to happen again?
Assuming that you answered "No" and "No", you should be grateful that GOM did what it did.
I know from watching the game myself, I feel cheated and never want to see this happen again. Naniwa still doesn't know the meaning of the word "professional". Just blatant disrespect for his fans, his competitor, GOM, Quantic, and their sponsors.
I guarantee that if he does this again he will be teamless for a long time.
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professionalism ppl?
this is not how u playing during a televised match ok?
PS: this was during his match against nestea he basiclly played the entire game like that
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ispUu.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hh91J.png)
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The premier league also has pointless matches. If a team is already guaranteed to be regulated they still play the remainder of their games even if they mean nothing. They don't just go out and kick the ball into their own net or something.
What Naniwa did was unprofessional and deserves to be punished (imo)
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On December 15 2011 01:56 JL_GG wrote:professionalism ppl? this is not how u playing during a televised match ok?
Cheers
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It amazes me that Chae gets away with insulting NaNiwa on stream.
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On December 15 2011 01:55 skrzmark wrote:
If it was a korean who did that and got their Code S spot revoked, you wouldn't care. Seriously Naniwa is in a different country he can't dick around.
This is so true. Much of the hate directed towards GOM is based on the foreign-community's lack of self-perception when it comes to one of their "own" players.
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On December 15 2011 01:50 Chronald wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:48 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:43 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:38 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:36 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:33 Chronald wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 UBavarice wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 Xiron wrote:On December 15 2011 01:19 UBavarice wrote:
Naniwa behaved very unprofessionally in the wrong arena. If you do stuff like this in real sports (football for example) you can have players banned for X amount of time, so it's definitely not unheared of.
It's a reasonable response from GOM. Naniwa will learn from it (hopefully). Other players will also learn from it.
And I hope GOM has learned that they shouldn't force players to play meaningless matches after they just got knocked out. Stop talking shit please. Have you ever seen a football player being banned for not running after the ball? No! Have you ever seen an ice hockey player being disqualified because he didnt hit the goal? No! It's complete nonsense you are talking. Yea. Now they have a rule. Use it for someone who actually breaks the rule. Naniwa did definetly and objectively not. There have been cases in professional football games (Real Madrid last CL for example) when managers have asked their players to deliberitely get red cards in a certain match because it will benefit them, and in such cases it has happened that these players have recieved some sort of punishment. In that case, the coach is actually punished much more severely than the player. Which shows that GOM should be taking more of the responsibility for this episode since they created the useless-match format. I agree with that, though. Like I said in my 1st post: GOM will have to learn from this and stop using the kind of format which might produce these sorts of meaningless matches. But the players are only fined money, while the coaches time. NaNi is being fined with time , while he should have just gotten a monetary fine. He spent months preparing for GSL Code S, and suddenly gets it revoked on the goal line for one mistake that has been blown out of proportion? That is obviously too harsh. Objectively, the punishment for the crime in this particular incident is really harsh, yes, and most probably out of proportion as well. But you have to see it from GOM's though. They've had problem with these kind of incidents before (the CoCa thing for example) and they want to send a message which they hope'll make sure this incident doesn't repeat itself. Now Nani happens to be at the end of this harsh punishment, which sucks for him. But in a sense, he did bring it on himself by acting inapporprietly. It might be wrong in a strict, technical sense though, I give you that. end of it? coca is banned indefinitely, and all naniwa had was a cancelled free ride to code S. He's not banned, he can still play in GSL, he got it off extremely light Light? Light? He shouldn't have been punished at all. By GOM's logic, anyone who cheeses is offending their opponent and audience, and should have their Code A/S seed removed. Don't you see how silly they are being? Or are you overcome with mob-mentality NaNi hate?
Naniwa is NOT punished, they simply not inviting him a code S anymore. Since it's their tournament, their home, if they don't like someone, it's their right to not invite him in, Yes?
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On December 15 2011 01:54 rhs408 wrote:
sorry double post
You have watched American Football right?
Most games? Players, ALL THE PLAYERS, leave the field BEFORE THE GAME IS OVER. When the results of the match are final, they END THE GAME. Simple as that.
To say NaNiwa did something wrong is like telling someone who points out your mistake they are retarded. GOM messed up, NaNiwa called them on it, and GOM lashed out like a child.
What about proxy 2-gate? It has a ~0% winrate in GSL, but players still use it. Isn't this the same as preventing interesting games? When I see someone going for this strat I turn the vod off and either watch the next game, or the next match. Guess what? I've never been wrong about guessing who loses, its the proxy-gater.
By this same ruling, GOM needs to revoke the seed of each player who has proxy-gated their opponent because it offends the audience.
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On December 15 2011 01:56 JL_GG wrote:professionalism ppl? this is not how u playing during a televised match ok?
is this during the game or after?
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On December 15 2011 01:59 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:56 JL_GG wrote:professionalism ppl? this is not how u playing during a televised match ok? is this during the game or after?
during the game
when he was attacking with his probes should pbly edit my post keke
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On December 15 2011 01:59 JL_GG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:59 brachester wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 JL_GG wrote:professionalism ppl? this is not how u playing during a televised match ok? is this during the game or after? during the game when he was attacking with his probes should pbly edit my post keke
well, then, naniwa fanboy should prob calm down from here then, it's clear as day.
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Good decision by GOMTV.
It amuses me that the people supporting Naniwa are accusing the people who don't in this situation of mob mentality.
Naniwa done goofed this time around. It has nothing to do with him as a person or any sort of culture clash. He did something he shouldn't have, and that's all there really is to say about it.
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