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boxman22
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada430 Posts
December 06 2011 07:41 GMT
#1
There do not seem to be any random players at the top level but are there even any close? Day9 probably could play random at a very high level. Why doesn't anyone else? Especially given the number of highly tailored builds at that level, not knowing their opponent's race would throw a major wrench in their plans. The tl database doesn't show anyone currently playing random.

Before people respond that a random player would suck at macro or decision-making, would they really? Pros practice hours upon hours every day, and have to learn the timings to most builds anyway. I'm not saying everyone should play random, but shouldn't there be a couple?
Avaek
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 07:46:15
December 06 2011 07:45 GMT
#2
FXOGuMiho used to play random when he was still in fOu
Fiel
Profile Joined March 2010
United States587 Posts
December 06 2011 07:45 GMT
#3
I know that TLO plays random, but for tournaments he tends to practice with one race. He has switched between Zerg and Terran.
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
December 06 2011 07:50 GMT
#4
GuMiho and TLO both played random for a certain amount of time , both on a top level.
- me (L) competitive gaming -
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
December 06 2011 07:51 GMT
#5
ItmeJP plays random at a master's league level, But obviously he isn't a pro player.

Honestly the metagame is just too volatile for pro random play to be successful right now imo. It's hard enough considering THREE matchups on the current maps and considering every possibility, finding builds and timings that work just right.. I can't imagine tripling that burden.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
December 06 2011 07:51 GMT
#6
As did guineapig. but to become successful and win more, they chose a race and focused on that more.
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
December 06 2011 07:52 GMT
#7
What about GuineaPig?
Skill is relative.
Darion
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada265 Posts
December 06 2011 07:55 GMT
#8
Gumiho, Guineapig and SUPERSTAR are the three well known Random players. All three have since chosen a race, one for each.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 08:06:41
December 06 2011 08:01 GMT
#9
where does this story that "Day9 probably could play random at a very high level" story come from?
I see it often here. Did he really say so? In this case why is he hiding it ^^
Most likely is just the wish of the fanboys and they start to believe themselves.


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Mise
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland580 Posts
December 06 2011 08:02 GMT
#10
On December 06 2011 16:51 darkscream wrote:
ItmeJP plays random at a master's league level, But obviously he isn't a pro player.

Honestly the metagame is just too volatile for pro random play to be successful right now imo. It's hard enough considering THREE matchups on the current maps and considering every possibility, finding builds and timings that work just right.. I can't imagine tripling that burden.

Volatility is good for playing random. That's what you should abuse if you do so. Still playing Random always has the luck element, plus you need 2-3 as much practice to compete, which makes it very poor choice for pro players.
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 08:05:13
December 06 2011 08:03 GMT
#11
Nerchio played random for quite a while, he was the #1 random player on EU ladder clearly above TLO. I think he managed to get #1 as random but not sure about that (since his account would keep showing as random for a while after switching to zerg).

He recently switched to terran in the middle of the MSI pro cup final vs Stephano. Even if he lost, I guess he can still play any race at high level.


norsK
Profile Joined April 2009
United States131 Posts
December 06 2011 08:04 GMT
#12
day[9] was and is an epic starcraft:broodwar player, an intense competitor, and a tactical wunderkind.

step off, skeldark.
The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination - einstein
Styze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada12 Posts
December 06 2011 08:04 GMT
#13
I believe its because Day[9] said that at one point he was GM with all three races but then he dropped out of it since he couldn't play enough.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
December 06 2011 08:05 GMT
#14
On December 06 2011 17:04 norsK wrote:
day[9] was and is an epic starcraft:broodwar player, an intense competitor, and a tactical wunderkind.

step off, skeldark.

i dont think he was or is anything of this. but dont want to destroy your hero. if you want to believe this feel free to do so.
Save gaming: kill esport
hoonshik10
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1 Post
December 06 2011 08:05 GMT
#15
DAVID KIM
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
December 06 2011 08:05 GMT
#16
On December 06 2011 17:01 skeldark wrote:
where does this story that "Day9 probably could play random at a very high level" story come from?
I see it quit here. Did he really say so? In this case why is he hiding it ^^
Most likely is just the wish of the fanboys and they start to believe themselves.




random day9 fanboy made that up because he thinks day9 has to be so awesome when he is so knowledgable

srsly i think day9 wouldnt even be good in NA ...
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
December 06 2011 08:05 GMT
#17
All the players were already listed, but the reason no serious player plays random is because there's just way too many things to learn. The game is constantly changing, maps are constantly changing, build orders need to be crisp to almost perfection, and etc.

Also you have to understand that a coach for a team is going to have a hell of a hard time helping you with builds and stuff if you have like a 33.3% chance of even getting that race. God help you if you have a Bo7... I couldn't imagine thinking of so many builds to prepare for a tournament.

Yes a lot of pro players play random on the ladder. Taeja and MVP are two names for example, but for tournaments they focus on their main race so that they can prepare 100%.

I play random, but I just play this game casually. It's always fun to play around with all the matchups and watch tournaments to see what new builds/strategies I can steal.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
December 06 2011 08:07 GMT
#18
On December 06 2011 17:01 skeldark wrote:
where does this story that "Day9 probably could play random at a very high level" story come from?
I see it often here. Did he really say so? In this case why is he hiding it ^^
Most likely is just the wish of the fanboys and they start to believe themselves.




He actually said by accident while playing Amnesia that he is GM with all three races.
http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/296431601 <------Suscribe! Casts in Spanish :) |||| http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/300285215<----- CSL: Before Sunday! Episode 3!
enecateReAP
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom378 Posts
December 06 2011 08:10 GMT
#19
Superstar is random, but choose to play zerg in code A.
Guiniepig is random.
Taeja was random before settling on Terran.
TLO was random before realising it was detrimental.
MVP plays random on ladder.

Thats all the people I can think of who I actually consider 'pro'.
"Stargate units imba" - oGsMC
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 08:20:09
December 06 2011 08:14 GMT
#20
On December 06 2011 17:07 carloselcoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 17:01 skeldark wrote:
where does this story that "Day9 probably could play random at a very high level" story come from?
I see it often here. Did he really say so? In this case why is he hiding it ^^
Most likely is just the wish of the fanboys and they start to believe themselves.




He actually said by accident while playing Amnesia that he is GM with all three races.

oh thx. Didn't know this. I dont really believe him even this, but explain this rumour. btw gm is not pro.

@topic
I think the main reason why there are not many of them is the way to get there.
There are many random master players but over 90% of them dont understand the game at all. They just learn 1-2 allins for each matchup and that's it. Most of them go blind eco-cheese so it looks they are able to play lategame.
And the rest of 10% solid good random master players are just a to small base to get many pros out of this pool.

( 5% random in masters, not total allin/eco cheesers lets say 10% = 0.5% , and now consider we only name 200-400 people pro = 1-2 pro randoms out of this base )
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