EPTBefore people respond that a random player would suck at macro or decision-making, would they really? Pros practice hours upon hours every day, and have to learn the timings to most builds anyway. I'm not saying everyone should play random, but shouldn't there be a couple?
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
Before people respond that a random player would suck at macro or decision-making, would they really? Pros practice hours upon hours every day, and have to learn the timings to most builds anyway. I'm not saying everyone should play random, but shouldn't there be a couple? | ||
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Avaek
New Zealand49 Posts
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Fiel
United States587 Posts
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
 , both on a top level. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
Honestly the metagame is just too volatile for pro random play to be successful right now imo. It's hard enough considering THREE matchups on the current maps and considering every possibility, finding builds and timings that work just right.. I can't imagine tripling that burden. | ||
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
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esReveR
United States567 Posts
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Darion
Canada265 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
I see it often here. Did he really say so? In this case why is he hiding it ^^ Most likely is just the wish of the fanboys and they start to believe themselves. | ||
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Mise
Finland580 Posts
On December 06 2011 16:51 darkscream wrote: ItmeJP plays random at a master's league level, But obviously he isn't a pro player. Honestly the metagame is just too volatile for pro random play to be successful right now imo. It's hard enough considering THREE matchups on the current maps and considering every possibility, finding builds and timings that work just right.. I can't imagine tripling that burden. Volatility is good for playing random. That's what you should abuse if you do so. Still playing Random always has the luck element, plus you need 2-3 as much practice to compete, which makes it very poor choice for pro players. | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
He recently switched to terran in the middle of the MSI pro cup final vs Stephano. Even if he lost, I guess he can still play any race at high level. | ||
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norsK
United States131 Posts
step off, skeldark. | ||
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Styze
Canada12 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:04 norsK wrote: day[9] was and is an epic starcraft:broodwar player, an intense competitor, and a tactical wunderkind. step off, skeldark. i dont think he was or is anything of this. but dont want to destroy your hero. if you want to believe this feel free to do so. | ||
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hoonshik10
Canada1 Post
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:01 skeldark wrote: where does this story that "Day9 probably could play random at a very high level" story come from? I see it quit here. Did he really say so? In this case why is he hiding it ^^ Most likely is just the wish of the fanboys and they start to believe themselves. random day9 fanboy made that up because he thinks day9 has to be so awesome when he is so knowledgable srsly i think day9 wouldnt even be good in NA ... | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
Also you have to understand that a coach for a team is going to have a hell of a hard time helping you with builds and stuff if you have like a 33.3% chance of even getting that race. God help you if you have a Bo7... I couldn't imagine thinking of so many builds to prepare for a tournament. Yes a lot of pro players play random on the ladder. Taeja and MVP are two names for example, but for tournaments they focus on their main race so that they can prepare 100%. I play random, but I just play this game casually. It's always fun to play around with all the matchups and watch tournaments to see what new builds/strategies I can steal. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:01 skeldark wrote: where does this story that "Day9 probably could play random at a very high level" story come from? I see it often here. Did he really say so? In this case why is he hiding it ^^ Most likely is just the wish of the fanboys and they start to believe themselves. He actually said by accident while playing Amnesia that he is GM with all three races. | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
Guiniepig is random. Taeja was random before settling on Terran. TLO was random before realising it was detrimental. MVP plays random on ladder. Thats all the people I can think of who I actually consider 'pro'. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:07 carloselcoco wrote: He actually said by accident while playing Amnesia that he is GM with all three races. oh thx. Didn't know this. I dont really believe him even this, but explain this rumour. btw gm is not pro. @topic I think the main reason why there are not many of them is the way to get there. There are many random master players but over 90% of them dont understand the game at all. They just learn 1-2 allins for each matchup and that's it. Most of them go blind eco-cheese so it looks they are able to play lategame. And the rest of 10% solid good random master players are just a to small base to get many pros out of this pool. ( 5% random in masters, not total allin/eco cheesers lets say 10% = 0.5% , and now consider we only name 200-400 people pro = 1-2 pro randoms out of this base ) | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:14 skeldark wrote: oh thx. Didn't know this. I dont really believe him even this, but explain this rumour. btw gm is not pro. @topic I think the main reason why there are not many of them is the way to get there. There are many random master players but over 90% of them dont understand the game at all. They just learn 1-2 allins for each matchup and that's it. Most of them go blind eco-cheese so it looks they are able to play lategame. And the rest of 10% solid good random master players are just a to small base to get many pros out of this pool. Lol, GM isn't pro, so I guess being masters make you pro? Wrong, wrong and wrong. Most random player does not like being burdened by a single race, with restrictions. Therefore, it's just a form of race changing. Show me which random player eco-cheese. | ||
Bd.Snake
Australia163 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:14 skeldark wrote: oh thx. Didn't know this. I dont really believe him even this, but explain this rumour. btw gm is not pro. @topic I think the main reason why there are not many of them is the way to get there. There are many random master players but over 90% of them dont understand the game at all. They just learn 1-2 allins for each matchup and that's it. Most of them go blind eco-cheese so it looks they are able to play lategame. And the rest of 10% solid good random master players are just a to small base to get many pros out of this pool. ( 5% random in masters, not total allin/eco cheesers lets say 10% = 0.5% , and now consider we only name 200-400 people pro ) You do know that day[9] was a Brood war pro right A- on iccup why wouldnt he be gm lol now also know that combat ex who abused the ladder on iccup got like C or C+ and he has been ranked top 5 on NA | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
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vtbarrera
United States46 Posts
Gumiho Guinueapig Morrow TLO David Kim Day[9] Are there any other notable names that can at least get GM as random? | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On December 06 2011 17:18 HaruRH wrote: Lol, GM isn't pro, so I guess being masters make you pro? i think you didnt understand my text. i talking about the BASE the pros come from. I dont want to say that master is pro at all. Im argument is the base is small so not max 1-2 solid random players make it to pro status. Wrong, wrong and wrong. Most random player does not like being burdened by a single race, with restrictions. Therefore, it's just a form of race changing. Show me which random player eco-cheese. From my feeling and what i hear from other player like 60% go unit- 30% go eco allin, 10% play normal game. Obvious this numbers are just a guess. But if you play random players you notice there is a big difference to "race" players in the builds and the gamble part of the game. | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
I think mirror matches are also particularly difficult for random players. The extreme subtleties of the matchup require you to play the race full time to understand. MorroW refuses to play ZvZ, and will always use Terran against Zerg. On the ladder, this fact is compounded by the high probability of hitting a mirror matchup everytime one queue's. I'm a diamond level random player, and I feel like I have zero understanding how to play Zerg, despite winning with the race. Sometimes, it's because my mechanics are that much more solid that my opponents. Other times, I took a risk and was able to capitalize on it. The point being that the gains of playing random are very inconsistent. They far outweigh the fact that you do not have deep understanding of a race, compared to someone that plays that race at the top levels, full time. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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