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On October 06 2011 10:52 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 10:48 DeepBlu2 wrote:On October 06 2011 10:26 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On October 06 2011 09:59 DeepBlu2 wrote:On October 06 2011 08:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Deepblu2
Streaming would not confirm anything.
You can turn hacks on and off it's like a light switch. He'd just turn it off to stream and turn it back on after if he does hack. If he can beat high masters players, while streaming... Then that shows he most likely does not hack, as he would be high GM most likely with them. Please refrain from posting before reading. Hacks can be turned on and off. He could stream without using win or lose and what does that prove? Nothing. Please be logical and think. Aside from that, there is no guarantee he would be a high gm player considering alot of the players have stated all he does is proxy and all in. Doesn't prove anything either way hacks or not, a player who just all in every game has little to no skill solely because they need to be versatile. So please keep thinking a stream will resolve it all when it won't. What are you talking about? If someone is CLEARLY showing you their gameplay, against an experienced player, and you can CLEARLY see there is no foul play, then how is that not proof to show that they can play without hacks and beat the same players??? I have no idea what you mean by "It can be turned off and on like a light switch"... The players who are saying all he does is proxy and allin also are stating that he hacked by knowing what position they were in, which drastically affects the outcome of the game. And I highly doubt you would see that if he streamed for several hours, that every game would be a proxy play. As opposed to showing a replay where you can't see them playing, you have no idea what they are doing besides their camera which can easily be avoided by things like the "production tab hack"... I never stated he was a high gm player. I stated that if he played without hacks and beat high masters players, then surely he would be grandmasters with the hack. The "hack" is just something called a tie hack if it actually does exist. It has nothing to do with beating other players, it is about not losing points when you lose. How does that show through in his gameplay whatsoever? If you are talking about how he allegedly proxies without scouting, that is a different story. Either way, this thread isn't about maphacking or production tab hacking it is about the other thread which accused him of tie hacking so he doesn't lose points.
As said in my 2nd previous post, him streaming the game would, although not specifically, show what is said when the game ends, (ie: tie) and what you can see from his perspective. So it would serve the purpose of telling us what he sees and what happens when the game ends, and that he does not cheat. I can not think of an alternative that would be more effective besides Blizzard themselves coming out and saying that this is indeed a bug that affects many people and has no malicious intentions by the players.
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Zelthcon you should probably change your user name in all the hacker websites people have found you in..... Your not very good at hiding the fact you love hacking LOL
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Funny. Just because people beat high masters doesn't mean he would beat gms.
If you don't understand what hacks can be turned off and on like a light switch then you sir are obviously as dense as they come so I'll break it down.
Light switches go on and go off to turn lights on and off.
Hacks can go on and go off to turn hacks on and off.
Did we learn something just now?
As for the stream, people could use that as a cop out to not hack for hours when streaming or have someone else play for them.
Streaming again doesn't prove anything after something like this is supposedly happening to only one person overall on a consistent basis.
Let alone it's not hard to beat people who do hack. If you hack and lose you need to quit gaming as a whole. Just makes you look even worse. Trust me go search for kids beating hackers or better yet I could upload sc2 and bw reps of known hackers with hacks on lose games.
I didn't say just proxy play I said proxy and all in. Might help if you learn to read an entire post or learn to read period before replying.
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Well, I didn't think you were guilty in the first place, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to believe you're innocent.
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i didn't take the time to worry and post in the other thread, however, it is pretty funny because any person who is masters doesn't lose points until they hit a certain amount of points/wins. You will notice when the new season starts, the higher points you were the previous season, the less points you lose the next season until a certain amount of points. I had like 3 games losing 0 points, its not a glitch, its how the game works to help higher level players.
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On October 06 2011 10:52 Zelthcon wrote:Every terran I face goes cloaked banshees into 1-1-1 allin, also you scout close air before close ground first, maybe you maphack and know where I spawned? Maybe you use a maphack of some sort? Or maybe it's part of your playstyle...
Looking through your match history, you actually rarely make two observers immediately out of your robo vs terran. Fortunately for you, these terrans didn't open cloaked banshee, and you opted for immortals immediately. Coincidence, or just super smart?
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one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance
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On October 06 2011 10:29 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 10:21 Zelthcon wrote:
My signature is a bash at everyone jumping on the "Zelthcon must hack" band wagon.
Check through this thread & the other one you say multple users with different join dates and post counts all claiming to have had this bug happen to them aswell but you ignore that.
You also ignore the fact that the games where it says TIE on my profile are games that i didnt even get into and when it happend, it locks me out of ladder until i relog, meaning when it says TIE it actually messes up my SC2, you also ignore that and also look at evidence against me rather then the games in my match history such as the TIES which support me. So if it was games that you didn't even get into, why are the games ranging from 5 to 15 minutes played with economy and army values? Let alone previously you stated you played the games and this error happened not you not getting into the game. Rofl at changing stories. Please try giving another illogical and invalid story.
Going to x2 this since he completely ignored and dodged this after posting.
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Zethcon, you probably don't know who I am, but I have extensive knowledge in the field of hacking. Bransom is a close friend of mine, and he provided me with 2 replays of you, both of which you were blatantly hacking in. I've been able to identify the hack and how it was executed, but for the sake of preventing other users from knowing how I will not publicly state which hack, or how I've determined you were hacking.
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well i was just told by someone cool with him that he told them he used to develop hacks for wc3. which might explain why it existed for wc3 ;/
anyways too bad, i guess thats why u can never trust these "omg im nto a hacker the evidence u have is a bug" excuses. it should be hacker till proven innocent lol.
i rlly hope the hacks dont get prominent like in bw...
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On October 06 2011 10:58 ForeverSleep wrote:one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance
One could argue anything, but one's case is not always very good. In his game vs me, he blindly made 2 observers out of his robo before immortals, collosi, or warp prisms, and sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. In his other TvP games, I found through his match history, he rarely makes observers first, never mind 2 of them first. I can't say for sure that he has a production hack, but that is suspicious.
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Hey guys, I'm gonna call the future of this thread.
Someone makes a post that collectively puts the facts in order that would most likely dissolve any reasonable doubt that Zelthcon is a hacker. This thread and everyone in it will conclude as much.
As soon as this happens, the REAL Zelthcon will create an account on TL and join this thread and claim that the Zelthcon that's been posting here is an imposter that has hijacked his SC2 account and used it against him to trash his good name. Probably some guy from his hacking community doing it for the lulz. We can't prove this isn't happening so the real Zelthcon is actually a great guy and we have all been had by a mastermind hacker.
You heard it here 1st.
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Wow... This is ridicious. Even if you are a hacker, you probally deserve something to going to all this effort to clear your name.
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Unbiased, here's what I saw:
-Absolutely zero scouting.
-Stalkers positioned at choke.
-The moment banshee begins to build, stalkers repositioned in both mineral lines.
--In his defense: Zelthcon never looked through the fog at bransom's base.
-Double observer opening with robo.
-The first observer is rallied to Zelthcon's expo, never sent out to scout.
-The second observer is rallied to the back of his mineral line just in time.
-Dead banshee, but bransom managed to win in the end.
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On October 06 2011 11:02 bransom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 10:58 ForeverSleep wrote:one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance One could argue anything, but one's case is not always very good. In his game vs me, he blindly made 2 observers out of his robo before immortals, collosi, or warp prisms, and sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. In his other TvP games, I found through his match history, he rarely makes observers first, never mind 2 of them first. I can't say for sure that he has a production hack, but that is suspicious.
A guy 2 posts up said that you confirmed for 100% certainty he was hacking, and the evidence you posted just there is that he "blindly" made observers? (Observers are for stopping you from doing things blindly)
This thread is stupid 
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On October 06 2011 11:06 Bswhunter wrote:
Wow... This is ridicious. Even if you are a hacker, you probally deserve something to going to all this effort to clear your name.
Ummm I don't see how that works. It's basically a bully in school getting away for terrorizing a kid just because he said he didn't do it and made a web of lies to do so.
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On October 06 2011 10:59 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 10:29 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On October 06 2011 10:21 Zelthcon wrote:
My signature is a bash at everyone jumping on the "Zelthcon must hack" band wagon.
Check through this thread & the other one you say multple users with different join dates and post counts all claiming to have had this bug happen to them aswell but you ignore that.
You also ignore the fact that the games where it says TIE on my profile are games that i didnt even get into and when it happend, it locks me out of ladder until i relog, meaning when it says TIE it actually messes up my SC2, you also ignore that and also look at evidence against me rather then the games in my match history such as the TIES which support me. So if it was games that you didn't even get into, why are the games ranging from 5 to 15 minutes played with economy and army values? Let alone previously you stated you played the games and this error happened not you not getting into the game. Rofl at changing stories. Please try giving another illogical and invalid story. Going to x2 this since he completely ignored and dodged this after posting.
Alright first, I understood your analogy perfectly but it was completely not a factor and did not relate to his hack whatsoever, as his problem is re creatable, as originally stated, and that during streaming, this allegedly "tie hack" will still happen, as well as the fact that if the hack was off, his skill would drop significantly, given he does not allin every single game. With no interference or foul play (that would not be possible from streaming). His skill would drop significantly without a hack if the accusations were true.
The reason why your argument is not valid is because of the fact that while streaming, the same exact problem would happen to him, and would clearly be visible. I would like to ask that you stop blatantly insulting people with no basis, as well as making assumptions about whether I read something or not, as I clearly read your previous posts. I am not at all defending OP as I said previously I would not believe him until he could prove he was not the one one the forums and that he was not abusing an exploit or hacking without showing it from his perspective.
If you have a suggestion for him, besides flaming and bashing with little to no evidence, then it could possibly become a productive discussion. I am not saying at all in the slightest that streaming would make this 100% proof, but that it is the best way besides a statement from Blizzard, themselves. A replay shows half of what him streaming would. Do you have any suggestions besides misinterpreting others posts? I would love to hear one, and if you would like to continue to bash me or OP, I would prefer if you would now take it to PM.
And note, I'm not responding to the post above, but your previous one.
Him streaming would eliminate several possibilities,and despite leaving some remaining, would provide a more accurate description on the events that took place, as compared to him showing a replay or defending himself vigorously through posts.
Again, I will not believe OP until he provides more evidence that he is indeed innocent, but providing suggestions for him is more beneficial than accusing him of acts that only have one side to them.
If he's lying, then obviously he won't stream. Problem solved.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=battle.net results disagree
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On October 06 2011 10:52 Zelthcon wrote:Every terran I face goes cloaked banshees into 1-1-1 allin, also you scout close air before close ground first, maybe you maphack and know where I spawned? Maybe you use a maphack of some sort? Or maybe it's part of your playstyle...
Sorry but I don't think trying to redirect the blame by accusing people of maphacking when they are accusing you of it is going to work on these boards.
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On October 06 2011 11:09 IMABUNNEH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 11:02 bransom wrote:On October 06 2011 10:58 ForeverSleep wrote:one could argue that he doesn't believe in probe scouts, for instance One could argue anything, but one's case is not always very good. In his game vs me, he blindly made 2 observers out of his robo before immortals, collosi, or warp prisms, and sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. In his other TvP games, I found through his match history, he rarely makes observers first, never mind 2 of them first. I can't say for sure that he has a production hack, but that is suspicious. A guy 2 posts up said that you confirmed for 100% certainty he was hacking, and the evidence you posted just there is that he "blindly" made observers? (Observers are for stopping you from doing things blindly) This thread is stupid
If you use them to scout, which he didn't, they keep you from playing blindly. He simply sent them to his mineral lines with stalkers. Watch the replay and see for yourself.
He played a terran 5 days ago named giantorange, who opened cloaked banshee, and Zelthcon opened double observer. Every other game vs terran, where the terran does not open cloaked banshee, he does not open with double observer out of his robo.
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Whether you hack or not your sig is kind of distasteful. I'm not sure what you expect to accomplish with all the attitude, but that's hardly the way to clear your name.
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