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heroofcanton
United States167 Posts
The circumcision is important in Jewish culture to show the covenant between God and Abraham, as well with all of the Jews. It's kind of a bfd for us. If you are against it, that's cool. Doesn't really need to be a thread. I wasn't aware there was an elephant in the room, as I don't go around spouting of information about my genitals to the internet. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
What I know for fact: Circumcision reduces risk of STD transfer Circumcision de-sensitizes the skin of the penis (to touch, and hence also stimulation) What is this talk about people tugging at the foreskin to regrow? Is there seriously a flab of skin sticking out that you can pull on??? YUCK. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:18 W2 wrote: ROFL at circumcision/sexual dysfunction chart. That graph looks so amateurish I think you probably just put a bunch of random numbers on excel. What I know for fact: Circumcision reduces risk of STD transfer Circumcision de-sensitizes the skin of the penis (to touch, and hence also stimulation) What is this talk about people tugging at the foreskin to regrow? Is there seriously a flab of skin sticking out that you can pull on??? YUCK. I kind of wonder if you did the same. It's almost intentional though, how you blast the guy for being amateur putting random things together and then the very next sentence go on to do the same things. It's almost as though you're being ironic or something. I dont know. | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On September 09 2011 09:28 GinDo wrote: Women expect circumcised penises most of the time. Only in dixieland. In the rest of the civilised world they're a rarity. Frankly I don't even get the aesthetics arguement. For one it's common for the skin to fold down when your sporting a raging uncercumcised boner so they look practically the same immediately prior to the act of hole ramming anyway. Secondly, it's a fucking penis. I don't care if your Brad Pitt and you put your johnson in a tuxuedo, it'll still end up looking like shit. I defy the world that anyone, be it a straight women, gay man or anyone else has ever uttered the line "thats a very handsome penis you have there". | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:03 Torte de Lini wrote: Lastly, circumcision is for the honor for my father's Jewish. Something I respect and is a part of all of us in this family. ![[image loading]](http://teamfinlayson.co.uk/funnystuff/tradition.jpg) On September 09 2011 11:03 Torte de Lini wrote: My parents didn't give me a choice to be circumcised. I don't have a problem with them and I take into the idea that they did it with good intentions. You guys are so bent on making sure an infant or future child will have all the decisions in their life, yet, whenever a child fucks up, we blame the parents. Can't have both. Yes, there are some choices that we expect parents to make, and other choices that we expect their children to be allowed to make. Yes, we can have both. User was warned for this post | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
It's parallel to the idea that giving a child all the decisions in the world is utopian, but unrealistic and stupid in reality. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:17 heroofcanton wrote: Jew here. The circumcision is important in Jewish culture to show the covenant between God and Abraham, as well with all of the Jews. It's kind of a bfd for us. African tribesman here. The female circumcision is important in my African tribe to show the covenant between God and the wife, as well as with all tribespeople. It's kind of a bfd for us. Teamliquid, in my experience, is not the sort of place that takes kindly to "IT'S MY RELIGION, THEREFORE IT'S OKAY" comments. On September 09 2011 11:17 heroofcanton wrote: If you are against it, that's cool. Doesn't really need to be a thread. I wasn't aware there was an elephant in the room, as I don't go around spouting of information about my genitals to the internet. Nothing on Teamliquid "needs to be a thread." It's a forum. People post shit that they want to talk about. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
Is this as big as an issue as the OP leads me to believe, not really.. And I have never once had this "inferior" process in my brain, as far as comparing to foreskin. Look I understand everyone and their brother, mother and sister thinks that men are all jealous about each others penises, and each penis needs to be this way and that way, but seriously? I'm going to have to call bull shit on this particular fact. If anything it's a rare case. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote: Yes, there are some choices that we expect parents to make, and other choices that we expect their children to be allowed to make. Yes, we can have both. I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid? That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful. You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision. You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:25 matjlav wrote: African tribesman here. The female circumcision is important in my African tribe to show the covenant between God and the wife, as well as with all tribespeople. It's kind of a bfd for us. Teamliquid, in my experience, is not the sort of place that takes kindly to "IT'S MY RELIGION, THEREFORE IT'S OKAY" comments. Nothing on Teamliquid "needs to be a thread." It's a forum. People post shit that they want to talk about. TL respects the ideals of other religions as long as they are tasteful and long-founded (in this case, there is a symbolic representation of circumcision). You really need to use your sociological imagination here. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote: I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid? Yes (that aspect of it, at least). On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote: That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful. Sorry. On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote: You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision. You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. Not right when they pop out of the womb, no. But by the time it will matter (i.e. when they're having sex), they'll certainly be able to make such a decision, which is why you cannot rationally justify circumcising an infant without invoking "MY DADDY AND MY RELIGION TOLD ME TO." | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:28 GoTuNk! wrote: Maybe its because people in south america dont do it, but I could never do this to my child and I consider it child abuse (in the sense of provoking unbearable pain to a kid) Indeed. I was shocked to learn it is prevalent in the US. | ||
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Mitchlew
Australia428 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:26 Pleiades wrote: If I have a son, I'm going to get him circumcized. Please don't I know its you and your partners choice and all. I wish my parents didn't get me done. There really can't be anything wrong with a natural penis. There is no point being circumcised unless it needs to be done medically. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:28 matjlav wrote: Yes (that aspect of it, at least). Sorry. Not right when they pop out of the womb, no. But by the time it will matter (i.e. when they're having sex), they'll certainly be able to make such a decision, which is why you cannot rationally justify circumcising an infant without invoking "MY DADDY AND MY RELIGION TOLD ME TO." 1. How so? I'm genuinely interested in knowing because I disagree. 2. Have you ever seen a grown man get a circumcised penis after they've hit puberty and everything, including nerves and organs are fully matured. Think about it. | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote: I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid? That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful. You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision. You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. Regardless of whether he thinks your heritage/religion is stupid or not, the point he is trying to make is that just because it is religion/heritage/tradition doesn't make it automatically correct, either medically or morally. People aren't suggesting that children get to pick. I too agree that that would be irresponsible. They are suggesting that individuals, when they 'grow up,' should then allowed to choose whether to be circumcised or not. That makes perfect sense to me. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote: I'm sorry, are you saying that respecting my heritage and religion is stupid? That's very offensive, I don't like this tone and your explanation made in a meme-form. That's very disrespectful. You can have an infant make a decision about their genitalia about concepts and aspects in their life and understanding that play a heavy role in the decision. You can have both, but in this instance it's not possible. What's being implied here is an extreme of allowing the child to make a decision they can't consciously make a responsible decision over. No one is implying the child make the decision. Most people are saying the child should be left unaltered, then be informed of the decision when they reach a responsible age(Whatever that might be, personally I think it varies from person to person but I'm sure lawmaking bullshit will find that 16 or so is probably it). Sure you might still be Jewish and respect your parents, and believe that's great for you. But as far as I'm concerned I hate it when people call their children, a "insert religion here" child, and make decisions for them based on that. My step dad wanted my little sister and brother baptized at two years old, they don't even attend that church now at ten and thirteen, the thirteen your old is now an atheist.. ... I'm sure plenty of Jewish people have converted or decided that having their foreskin removed before they even had the concept of being Jewish was wrong for them. As for me I was raised as a Presbytarian and called a Christian by my family, nowadays after having attended different churches, reading different bibles, book of mormon, etc.. I don't believe in god, and personally don't find most religions do anything for me. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 09 2011 11:31 Karliath wrote: Regardless of whether he thinks your heritage/religion is stupid or not, the point he is trying to make is that just because it is religion/heritage/tradition doesn't make it automatically correct, either medically or morally. People aren't suggesting that children get to pick. I too agree that that would be irresponsible. They are suggesting that individuals, when they 'grow up,' should then allowed to choose whether to be circumcised or not. That makes perfect sense to me. How does a personal decision make something universally right or even culturally right? It's a personal decision within my family. It's neither right or wrong, but a tradition upheld because we acknowledge a respect that may not be in your family (and that's fine and normal for your family). | ||
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