Now before some old school BW players jump down my throat, hear me out.
I totally loved Day and Husky this weekend in MLG. They were just awesome. I love when Husky's talking at a million miles an minute and you can hear Day saying "uh oh.. uh ohh... UH OH!" in the background, it makes the event so exciting. Day[9] always gives great, deep deep insights that help noobs like myself understand the intricacies and beauty of the top tier of play. Husky has a great way of keeping up with the action and giving just enough insight to keep new players and non-players interested in what the hell is going on in the game. Of course, it's painful sometimes to hear him to use "is" instead of "are," for plural nouns, but other than that, the man's pretty much flawless imho.
On the other hand.
The Casting Archon of Tasteless and Artosis are, obviously, famous as hell. I don't know a lot about BW history, correct me if I'm wrong, but Day[9], Tasteless and Artosis were all high level players who had a very keen eye and nuanced understanding of the game. Both Artosis and Tasteless spend a lot of time casting GSL games, which are (arguably) the highest level of play in existence.. but during MLG, I was sort of underwhelmed. Perhaps it's because Husky and Day9 were much more familiar to me.. I don't know in a quantifiable way.
Now to be fair, I don't watch the GSL. I used to watch Artosis' youtube stuff, but I stopped in favor of Day[9]. Admittedly, I'm biased towards Day and Husky because they've helped me grow as a player the most.
I think at the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference, so I'd like to ask all of you:
Poll: Which Casting Duo Do You Like Better?
The Casting Archon: Tasteless and Artosis (591)
47%
Day[9] and HuskyStarcraft (331)
26%
I like them both equally. (316)
25%
I just don't care. (29)
2%
1267 total votes
Your vote: Which Casting Duo Do You Like Better?
(Vote): The Casting Archon: Tasteless and Artosis (Vote): Day[9] and HuskyStarcraft (Vote): I like them both equally. (Vote): I just don't care.
I hope I'm not being blasphemous, I recognize completely that Artosis and Tasteless were excellent players in their time and probably understand the game to greater depth than I perhaps ever will. I respect the two immensely and laud them for everything they've done for Starcraft and E-Sports, same to Day[9] and Husky.
EDIT:
It seems like, right now, the casting archon is the favorite. If you know of any particularly memorable casting nuggets from the Casting Archon, please link if possible, so that we all may have a good laugh/ be impressed.
K9 just seemed to have the stamina unlike the archon. It makes me worry that they're not casting as much as they could or should be to keep their voices up
I really liked both equally. They're also similar in terms of having one analytical caster (Day[9]/Artosis respectively) and one play-by-play caster (Husky/Tasteless) which makes a good casting archon. Switching between streams has been a blast, I never felt like I was missing out on the other stream and therefore could choose the stream that I felt had the better game. Both were very very high quality casts. Gj everyone!
On August 29 2011 16:47 MonkSEA wrote: K9 just seemed to have the stamina unlike the archon. It makes me worry that they're not casting as much as they could or should be to keep their voices up
I kinda have to agree bro, and thanks so much for posting. I don't make original posts often and it always freaks me out if no one posts for the first few minutes haha, cheers
I think the most insightful moment of the weekend was Tasteless + JP. I've never heard a more serious conversation about donuts, Tasteless has a hilarious affect on people.
I think the real thing to take from this, instead of trying to make it a caster competition, is that Husky is finally being appreciated here on TL. Rewind a year ago and mentioning his name brought on tons of hate. Good to hear that not only has he improved, the community's perception of him reflects it.
I loved the Husky and Day9 combo all the way back to the first ever MLG with SC2. Out of the combinations they've tried (including HD, JP, and DJWheat), I really really love the Husky/Day9.
I don't even really like Husky alone casting (no offense), but there is something about the two of them together that is awesome.
That said, the casting archon is the casting archon. Gonna vote for like both equally.
MLG is the only event I watch right now because the casting is just perfect. Having both of my favorite caster pairs is just amazing.
On August 29 2011 16:52 Trumpet wrote: I think the most insightful moment of the weekend was Tasteless + JP. I've never heard a more serious conversation about donuts, Tasteless has a hilarious affect on people.
I think the real thing to take from this, instead of trying to make it a caster competition, is that Husky is finally being appreciated here on TL. Rewind a year ago and mentioning his name brought on tons of hate. Good to hear that not only has he improved, the community's perception of him reflects it.
I didn't want to make it a competition or anything, I just wanted to know who likes who and why =) I feel like a lot of starcraft 2 casters are really really talented and enjoyable to listen to, and yeah, I'm really happy the Husky's getting recognition for his epic improvement.
I watch GSL and tastosis are better there than MLG I think. tasteless voice was breaking down and the long hours made them a bit quiet.
tastless and artosis can talk about rubbish and both would have lows of fun doing that because they are old fds but day9 and husky don't have it, even through they do try.
I feel Tastosis are at their best casting the GSL. They know the Korean players better than anyone and with so many seasons casted they've developed a solid routine that really makes the GSL a much more enjoyable experience. Compared to that, I've always felt they aren't as good at foreigner events such as MLG and NASL.
K[9] is a much more exciting casting combo imo. I know Tastossis is more experienced but Husky and Day[9] have hit their stride since casting together these past months on their respective youtube channels.
I don't get these threads. Since SC2 hit there's been like 50+ threads with polls just like this one just minor variations. It's like people are obsessed with casters, or the need to express their opinion of them.
On August 29 2011 17:08 Longshank wrote: I don't get these threads. Since SC2 hit there's been like 50+ threads with polls just like this one just minor variations. It's like people are obsessed with casters, or the need to express their opinion of them.
Both duos did a good job, just as expected..
My thoughts exactly, just rename it XX caster appreciation thread or something.
On August 29 2011 17:08 Longshank wrote: I don't get these threads. Since SC2 hit there's been like 50+ threads with polls just like this one just minor variations. It's like people are obsessed with casters, or the need to express their opinion of them.
Both duos did a good job, just as expected..
My thoughts exactly, just rename it XX caster appreciation thread or something.
I don't know.. I'm not really obsessed with casters, I just appreciate that we get me amped about watching games I wouldn't normally watch. I play zerg, so I was never really interested in anything other than ZvX, but when a good casting duo gets me riled to watch a TvT or something and keep me interested, I want to commend them. I appreciate both casting duos, I was just wondering if there were people who liked the Day-Husky duo a bit more than the Tastosis duo, like myself. It's really just supposed to be a discussion of who you like and why. Threads are for discussions, right?
Day[9] works great with just about anyone, be it DjWheat, JP, Chill or Husky, who performed much better this weekend than I expected. No complaints here. Tastosis can be great fun when they joke around, but I seem to be oversaturated with them. They cast so much GSL that they can't keep up the constant hilarity from the beginning. It seems their enthusiasm has faded a bit, Tasteless especially looks (and sounds!) tired and burnt out.
On August 29 2011 17:08 Longshank wrote: I don't get these threads. Since SC2 hit there's been like 50+ threads with polls just like this one just minor variations. It's like people are obsessed with casters, or the need to express their opinion of them.
Both duos did a good job, just as expected..
My thoughts exactly, just rename it XX caster appreciation thread or something.
Yes, plus add that the casting archon always wins these kinds of polls so the poll part is completely unnecessary
On August 29 2011 16:52 Trumpet wrote: I think the most insightful moment of the weekend was Tasteless + JP. I've never heard a more serious conversation about donuts, Tasteless has a hilarious affect on people.
I think the real thing to take from this, instead of trying to make it a caster competition, is that Husky is finally being appreciated here on TL. Rewind a year ago and mentioning his name brought on tons of hate. Good to hear that not only has he improved, the community's perception of him reflects it.
I didn't want to make it a competition or anything, I just wanted to know who likes who and why =) I feel like a lot of starcraft 2 casters are really really talented and enjoyable to listen to, and yeah, I'm really happy the Husky's getting recognition for his epic improvement.
Husky + another caster = epic Alone he's ordinary, but he's the best at adding the excitement
Husky did well, and I agree, nice to see him being appreciated on TL. I really can't stand Day9 though, which is a shame since he casts so many damn foreign tournies.
Tastosis probably won't ever be topped for me. Mainly because Artosis is my favorite analyst, and he seems most comfortable with Tasteless (who happens to be the funniest caster)
Shame djWHEAT wasn't around, he's awesome. Pairs well with anyone.
The little fanboy in me wanted to vote for Tastosis however I was so thoroughly impressed by Husky this weekend and how well he worked together with Day[9] that I had to vote for them so I guess at the moment I like k[9] better.
K9 husky does this thing where he soft lobs questions about the game at hand and day just ballparks it almost every time. Husky's respect for Day just shines and it auto cuts off the weird husky at home stuff. not my most popular opinion but i can't stand tasteless's influence on artosis - i can't stand the nerd-chic exclusivist jokes that just waste time - i can't stand the constant off topic banter - i can't stand that their general disregard for women that leads my girlfriend to become actually angry while i'm trying to watch mlg and make dinner- and not even lastly but definitely in this mlg mostly - you get paid by gomtv and gsl to hype the gsl on the gsl on gomtv when you are at work at gomtv for the gsl- you spend all day bming players and the gsl then come to mlg where you are getting paid at a professional position and rate to promote their product, and complain about how tired you are to thousands of people and then tell them they should stop watching mlg right now and go watch gsl replays instead. If you did that sportscasting for the NFL you'd never work again. It's unprofessional and frankly embarrassing when I try to bring this starcraft thing to the people in my life that don't understand I can't trust them to respect it or me. I can't put my mom in room with those 2. that said they're some of the hardest working goofballs in the world and their commitment to the game is never never in question- there's no hate I just want to see sc2 as glossy and pro as it can get-more gloss - more sponsers - more prizes - more players - more games
Honestly, I prefered Husky and Day9 - there is a clear reason:
I'm getting more and more annoyed by how.....wrong....Tastosis sometimes are. In the Day9/Husky combo, Husky did the energetic play-by-play and Day9 did the spot-on analysis (as usual) . Tastosis mostly did fine, but ever since Artosis switched to protoss I feel that the qualitiy of his analytical input has been decreasing. And I don't know if Tasteless even plays the game or watches replays any more. At the moment, Husky I feel has a better gameknowledge than him.
I really wished Tastosis would spend more time watching reps or talking to players to learn more about the current strategies to give more in debth analysis of what is going on. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm hating, I tried to express it as somewhat constructive criticism.
best casting moment of mlg was when tastosis were back together after jp jumped in for a game and there were some accusations of 'cheating on' each other then everyone fake-cried and hugged
I like both rather equally but as far as the last MLG went, Day9&H certainly outdid T&A.
The biggest problem I have with Tastless and Artosis tho, is them quite often being biased towards one of the players (and no, I don't mean simply pointing out someone's superior skill).
I personally think tastosis don't sound like 'real' casters, in the sense that they dont give enough play by play commentary and they don't make it sound exciting. Half the time they pause to think, talk slowly, or like 2 minutes before the end of the game they repeatedly insist on one player's ultimate demise by saying 'player A is soooo dead, he is just SO dead'. I still like them, but I like Husky/day9 more
Husky shouldn't be allowed to cast even on YouTube let alone MLG. His random screams are so annoying. Apart from that this was a pretty good tournament.
Tastetosis are just so humurous and laid back. I enjoy them a lot because I know they have amazing insight on the game and have a long relationship with each other. It brings great synergy on their part.
Although, Husky and Day9 kept up the enthusiasm a lot. They found their little niches but they were really complimenting each other.
It's the reason we call them by their individual handles and we call tasteless and artosis the casting archon. Husky and Day9 are good caster, but The Casting Archon is just that, the incredulous monster we've hyped up which never fails to meet our expectations. Good casting all around.
It is the Archon without a doubt for me.Tasteless and Artosis are just perfect for casting Starcraft II games. GSL wouldn't be the same without them.
I like Day[9] as well, but not as a caster. I enjoy his educational dailies a lot and try to watch all of them, especially those who are made for my race. I basically learned everything I needed to know about Starcraft II from him. But as a caster he cannot beat the Archon.
I agree, I actually watched husky/day9 when I could. I know I will get hate mail but artosis rubs me the wrong way. Something about his voice gets to me after a while. I think it comes from how much football I watch; husky/day9 are more like good football announcers. I don't even have to be watching and i know what is going on and i feel the excitement. With artosis I have to watch and it felt like he missed a good bit at MLG. I was constantly (maybe I remember it worse than it was) wishing he would move the screen to the secondary action. Instead, they hung over the main engagement way after it was over and then simply mention we missed whatever drop/warp-in had occurred.
On August 29 2011 18:21 theredone wrote: K9 husky does this thing where he soft lobs questions about the game at hand and day just ballparks it almost every time. Husky's respect for Day just shines and it auto cuts off the weird husky at home stuff. not my most popular opinion but i can't stand tasteless's influence on artosis - i can't stand the nerd-chic exclusivist jokes that just waste time - i can't stand the constant off topic banter - i can't stand that their general disregard for women that leads my girlfriend to become actually angry while i'm trying to watch mlg and make dinner- and not even lastly but definitely in this mlg mostly - you get paid by gomtv and gsl to hype the gsl on the gsl on gomtv when you are at work at gomtv for the gsl- you spend all day bming players and the gsl then come to mlg where you are getting paid at a professional position and rate to promote their product, and complain about how tired you are to thousands of people and then tell them they should stop watching mlg right now and go watch gsl replays instead. If you did that sportscasting for the NFL you'd never work again. It's unprofessional and frankly embarrassing when I try to bring this starcraft thing to the people in my life that don't understand I can't trust them to respect it or me. I can't put my mom in room with those 2. that said they're some of the hardest working goofballs in the world and their commitment to the game is never never in question- there's no hate I just want to see sc2 as glossy and pro as it can get-more gloss - more sponsers - more prizes - more players - more games
THIS POST ONLY HAS LIKE 7 PERIODS IN IT, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?
I agree that K9 is pretty good as a casting duo and should definitely be on top of the foreign events. I think that Tastetosis just doesn't keep up with the foreign events/players to give the same dynamic commentary in the GSL. On the glossy/professionalism thing, well that's your opinion. I think if SC2 ever became NFL big/professional, I'd either lose interest or completely find another game. I kind of like that it's nerds commentating a game for other nerds, no reason to bring my mom into it.
Its like Husky and Day[9] were Dark Templar's, new kids on the block who fused to make a Dark Archon which could with time rival that of the all powerful casting Archon that is Tastosis. Jokes aside I thought Day[9] an Husky did quite an amazing job this weekend keeping the crowd into it an making it fun to watch on stream. Tastosis though did a good job themselves even with Tasteless's voice being what it was. Though in the end I feel like K[9] just slightly edged them out even though I voted for both
I was a bit surprised that I liked K9 much more than Tastosis. But K9 did the most important thing pretty well. They got you excited for the game. Honestly the final wasn't that great but I really got invested in it and K9 played a big part in it. Tastosis on the other hand didn't have the energie that they used to have and anaylsis part was also worse.
Husky asks day questions all day because he knows nothing about the game. And day has recently expanded upon his bad habit of just saying uh-oh and oh no way too much. I like day9 with wheat but with the attrocity that is husky he not my favorite.
On August 29 2011 17:08 Longshank wrote: I don't get these threads. Since SC2 hit there's been like 50+ threads with polls just like this one just minor variations. It's like people are obsessed with casters, or the need to express their opinion of them.
Both duos did a good job, just as expected..
These polls are important to the community to reward and encourage successful casters as well as let event organizers know who we want to see at these tournaments.
I have immense respect for the Casting Archon, but personally felt (as well as virtually everyone at our Champ. Sunday party) that they were completely overshadowed by K[9].
Tastosis gets my vote, but mostly for Artosis' insights. It must be said that Day[9]&Husky/DJWheat tend to have a much more polished and professional attitude during their casts, though. If only the Archon tried not to digress and joke so much while the action is going on, they could really be excellent—not that they should not joke at all, they should simply time their digressions better. Their casting tend to be somewhat inconsistent at the moment. I also wonder whether Artosis' committment to his SC2 team and Tasteless' somewhat slacky approch to the game could prove harmful to their casting skills in the long term.
Tasteless was plugging the GSL too much for my liking this weekend, and the comedic chemistry between JP/Artosis, though unexpected, was absolutely hysterical.
Tastosis performed as expected, Day9 unfortunately was unable to cast to the best of his abilities due to Husky talking bullshit nonstop as well as interrupting him all the time. Mostly, Day only got to shout "Oh no!" and "Oooooh" because that freak didn't let him talk at all. I have no idea why they let this zombie cast games.Because of his YT video views? Seriously? What a shame.
I think if we're talking about which 'pair' of casters is superior, I'd say tastosis. I personally think they have the best 'synergy'. They can follow on from each other's comments, insights, jokes etc.. Day[9] and husky are great, individually they may even be better than tasteless and artosis, but the 'synergy' isn't as good by only a little bit I'd say.
However, for this MLG, I think both pairs did an awesome job!
Day9+Husky for me. As I've said, these two guys are noticeably more witty. Day9 laughs is infectious, and Husky sometimes makes jokes that don't get attention because they're subtle and he or day9 quickly talks out of.
I don't understand why the fuck people do this kind of polls. You know day and husky read tl and this is not going to make them feel good. You (OP) are very annoying.
there is no way in hell tasteless and artosis are better than husky and day9. artosis just tries wayyyyyy too hard to be funny and it just makes me cringe sometimes. they have too many awkward moments but i guess its just my personal opinion. Husky and day9 all the way. i dont mind tasteless that much....but hes still inferior to husky and day9. my 2 cents. great event regardless and im thankful to everyone regardless.
What annoyed me most was the lack of excitement coming from Day9/Husky at some times. Yeah they can go berserk about some stuff sometimes but especially after the last game in the finals where the winner was determined it was like 'Oh and *** wins this MLG, a hand for ***.' And then they just kept talking about the series etc. I feel like that moment would've been so much better with tastosis.
I think individually Day and Husky are better at their given roles, Husky is a better play by play caster than tasteless and Day is better at analysis that artosis. However as a duo Tastosis has better chemistry as well as great humor, which wasn't showcased at this particular MLG because of tasteless' voice. This doesn't mean K9 is bad, there my 2nd fav and I got to give husky a lot of credit for improving so much.
Tastosis for me as I have always enjoyed them as casters and am the most familiar with their voices and style which provides a familiar comfort when watching matches (lol? is that weird?).
However, I REALLY enjoyed listening to Day9 and Husky cast MLG Raleigh. Not once was I disappointed to see them appear just before a game (like I am with other casters), and loved how their addicting energy and excitement sucked me into the games.
So while I pick Tastosis, K9 is a really close second, only separated by my personal bias as stated above.
I have to admit, Husky has become a top-tier caster in terms of energy and game awareness. K9 has turned out to be an amazing duo. I still wouldn't put them above the Casting Archon, but they're up there.
Overall I prefered tastosis they are just an awesome casting DUO and nothing comes close to them, Day9 is an amazing guy but i'm not sure which caster i'd put with him to make it a better duo than tastosis
One thing I would like though is if all important matches finals/semis etc, were cast by both sets of casters rather than just 1 on both streams,
I have to love tasteless. I mean.. he's tasteless. "TG SAMBO INTEL CLASSIC!" I kinda imagine him like a washed up drunk tho. Made it big and partied all day too long. Now he just chants "timing attack" in his raspy voice burned by the years of smoking in underground korean bars, and makes it newb friendly by telling us we can destroy the rocks to get to the xel'naga tower. I liked listening to Sean and Husky better... Nick will always be my most favorite beautiful baller tho.
I think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casting combo out there and probably will be for a very long time. No one is even close to them right now.
I really like Day9 as an analytical caster like for example in his daily show, but as for casting actual tournaments I dont really think he's doing a good job. He gets excited way too easily over small things that aren't really that special, he screams and yells all the fucking time for absolutely no reason and his interaction with his co caster is most of the times non existent.
Tastosis have always been my favorite archon, while Day9 was my favorite solo caster(after Chill had to leave in TSL, he was amazing solo). But it seems like Sean finally has a very good 2nd to make an archon. No offence to Wheat, whom I love, but I don't think he flowed as well with Day.
IMO I found husky and day9 the more entertaining duo last weekend and this is coming from a tastosis fan who didn't really think day9 and husky would do well. Husky and day9 did surprisingly well casting while I found tastosis to be a bit lackluster (tasteless sounded like he caught a cold the morning of championship sunday). I still love tastosis though.
Husky have stepped up his casting a lot. It's awesome to see Day9 do more analazyz while Husky is dealing with the play-by-play. They work very well together. Also by having Husky there, MLG will attract the husky fanbase wich is awesome. Husky is also like Totalbiscuit, wich is more appealing to the mainstream audience
I absolutely love both Husky and Day9, but the casting archon really blows pretty much everything else out of the water.
I feel like Artosis is by far the best analytical commentator at the moment, since he is really up to date with Korean strategies. For me, having watched a lot of SC2, and now not playing it very much, it's more interesting to focus on the pro players and their crazy strategies than to focus on bits and bobs that would help me improve (which Day9 loves focusing on).
Also, Tasteless is too handsome to not love, and I love the jokes they have with each other.
Most stuff has already been said but Artosis is the foundation for the Tastosis combination and alot of other casters would work well there. Husky did a great job this weekend but there was alot of really irritating noises in that stream (most of them from day[9]). I think day[9] needs someone that's more calm than Husky, Apollo worked pretty well during Dreamhack Summer as co-caster for him.
I have to say that I've grown to dislike Sean's "casting persona". He's just not himself at all (the way you see him on dailies or sotg or an interview with him). It's like he when he casts, he has this image of a "perfect caster" that he puts on, and it really rubs me the wrong way personally.
It's the exact opposite of Tasteless and Artosis (and Wolf) who always seem to be chilled in the "yeah, whatever" way, say whatever they feel like saying, pop whatever stupid joke crosses their mind, and it usually comes out well and is easy to listen to.
On August 29 2011 23:41 Talin wrote: I have to say that I've grown to dislike Sean's "casting persona". He's just not himself at all (the way you see him on dailies or sotg or an interview with him). It's like he when he casts, he has this image of a "perfect caster" that he puts on, and it really rubs me the wrong way personally.
It's the exact opposite of Tasteless and Artosis (and Wolf) who always seem to be chilled in the "yeah, whatever" way, say whatever they feel like saying, pop whatever stupid joke crosses their mind, and it usually comes out well and is easy to listen to.
There's a lot of people who can easily be disillusioned by what Sean says, which can come off as techno mumbo jumbo babble blloooooo bllaaaaahhh if you don't know the game.
I don't know why there has to be his sort of competition. If you enjoyed one over the other then that's great for you. With that said, I gave Mike and Sean plenty of compliments already for the fact they continue to get better with each other from the last MLG. I think that should suffice.
It's pretty hard to call... While Tastosis seems uncontested (and uncontestable) as far as game-knowledge is concerned, Day9 and Husky appeared during MLG Raleigh like much more dynamic therefore exciting to watch... Cannot choose, I voted that I liked em equally
On August 29 2011 23:41 Talin wrote: I have to say that I've grown to dislike Sean's "casting persona". He's just not himself at all (the way you see him on dailies or sotg or an interview with him). It's like he when he casts, he has this image of a "perfect caster" that he puts on, and it really rubs me the wrong way personally.
It's the exact opposite of Tasteless and Artosis (and Wolf) who always seem to be chilled in the "yeah, whatever" way, say whatever they feel like saying, pop whatever stupid joke crosses their mind, and it usually comes out well and is easy to listen to.
There's a lot of people who can easily be disillusioned by what Sean says, which can come off as techno mumbo jumbo babble blloooooo bllaaaaahhh if you don't know the game.
You really didn't understand what he was saying did you?
Anyway, I kinda agree with Talin.. altho it doesn't bother me that much.
One thing that does bother me a bit, is that tasteless acts like a kid sometimes and can't be serious about the game every once in a while. Altho he is hilarious
They both did great. Don't forget that Tastosis already work together for a long time so they know each other very well (in terms of casting).
Altough my preferences were with Day9 and Husky I still know that Tastosis are the Uber archon. And it will be like this for a long time until some duo start to working together as long as Tastosis does.
Stop making these threads. After every event we have to endure 50 threads about which preference you prefer more. Come on. At least put some new spin on it if you're going to clone a dead horse again and again.
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