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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:39 Argus92 wrote: Since when was hp a good indicator of how strong a group of units are? well, for a drop, it's not such a bad indicator, I guess, since the level of HP will determine what DPS, therefore what amount of units you'll have to move to the place where you got dropped in order to defend accordingly... Still, the DPS of the attacking units should be taken into account too | ||
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r3SpaVVn
Germany109 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:14 awu25 wrote: Warp Prism Shields increased from 40 to 100. MC must be happy now! :D | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
Other changes seems good, though this game wont be balanced at least untill HotS. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
First impression, not a horrible patch | ||
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careohx
263 Posts
Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5. i dont think this will change anything 4 hellions still 1 shot drones | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:42 SolidMustard wrote: well, for a drop, it's not such a bad indicator, I guess, since the level of HP will determine what DPS, therefore what amount of units you'll have to move to the place where you got dropped in order to defend accordingly... Still, the DPS of the attacking units should be taken into account too The health metric becomes distorted because of the healing ability of medivacs, which dramatically increases the longevity of marines. | ||
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ImperialTea
France187 Posts
SM buff could be interesting, but doesn't solve a lot of the difficulty in getting ravens and justifying their cost. BFH nerf makes me sad, especially considering how huge it is in fact (2shots workers--->3shots), but I think it is totally justified. BFH did too much damage for their cost and were hard to stop. I wonder how this will affect mech, and how big of an impact it will have on BFH/marine pushes into marine/tank pushes for TvZ? Seems like it's a reallly big change. | ||
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Drygioni
Japan379 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:37 blade55555 wrote: the blue flame change only effects workers (idk bout zealots). It still like 1 shots zerglings I don't get how its the death of mech as it only effects workers takes 3 instead of 2, and hydras it takes like 5 instead of 3 or something. vs everything else its like the same lol (idk vs zealots but doubt its as big as people are making it out to be) Yeah and hellions weren't good against anything except workers. They were never good for any fights at all. The unit is just badly designed. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
What it will change is the MC high templar drop against ghosts!! Making it much harder to snipe the warp prism Maybe White-Ra can use it in his PvP immortal juggling. | ||
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HinagikUx
United States178 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:42 SolidMustard wrote: well, for a drop, it's not such a bad indicator, I guess, since the level of HP will determine what DPS, therefore what amount of units you'll have to move to the place where you got dropped in order to defend accordingly... Still, the DPS of the attacking units should be taken into account too uh yeah, a group of 4 zealots getting kited by a couple MM and doing barely any damage at all....i can see that happening alot. srsly it will just require terrans to be more active with their units and scouting instead of turtling behind bunkers getting ready for a 1base/2base timing attack. Toss have learned to control watch towers so that they could leave units in the main base to protect against such drops. Terrans iwll learn the same? | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
The immo buff is the only thing I might possibly get behind, since it will help against 1/1/1(and immos in general suck). BFH is so niche(dont get me wrong, I'm talking as a player that hates mech tvt) and before it wasa pretty huge investment to go BFH, now I doubt it will be ever worth it. Terran rax increase = gg -.- wtf is that about, great ruins pretty much all openings, where now the rax is finished in middle of an SCV -.- WP was fine, it doesn't suck because of hp like many qqers think, it sucks because toss doesn't really have anything to drop. This comes down to toss reliance of ball formation, which comes down to the importance of the sentry and how awesome it is in a big ball of units(basically sentry forces blizzard to make the other units of toss worse). Infestor's FG is strong, not because of how much dmg it does, but you can't micro out of the dmg. Reduction of the dmg does help, but for the most part, it changes nothing really. Ultra change= not something zerg needs. If anything, getting 10 ultras out at the same time was to powerful, but their whole issue was their pathing. Blink: No comment, its obviously a PvP/PvZ nerf, not sure if the blink timing is very short. Edit: Forgot the raven buff, no idea hopefully enough, not sure. | ||
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Syrupjuice
United States173 Posts
The only change that I am not for is the warp prism buff. I feel that adding 60 shields is a little much. I would have rather seen in increase to 70, rather than the 100. Overall, I am excited to see what changes happen to gameplay! c: c: c: | ||
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Rolezn
63 Posts
Finally a Warp prism buff :D | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
With the Blink nerf, is there a chance that we will be watching mostly 4 gate vs 4 gate again? | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
its really depressing watching all these merging archons die. | ||
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HinagikUx
United States178 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:46 Zarahtra wrote: I'm quite underwhelmed about these changes. The immo buff is the only thing I might possibly get behind, since it will help against 1/1/1(and immos in general suck). BFH is so niche(dont get me wrong, I'm talking as a player that hates mech tvt) and before it wasa pretty huge investment to go BFH, now I doubt it will be ever worth it. Terran rax increase = gg -.- wtf is that about, great ruins pretty much all openings, where now the rax is finished in middle of an SCV -.- WP was fine, it doesn't suck because of hp like many qqers think, it sucks because toss doesn't really have anything to drop. This comes down to toss reliance of ball formation, which comes down to the importance of the sentry and how awesome it is in a big ball of units(basically sentry forces blizzard to make the other units of toss worse). Infestor's FG is strong, not because of how much dmg it does, but you can't micro out of the dmg. Reduction of the dmg does help, but for the most part, it changes nothing really. Ultra change= not something zerg needs. If anything, getting 10 ultras out at the same time was to powerful, but their whole issue was their pathing. Blink: No comment, its obviously a PvP/PvZ nerf, not sure if the blink timing is very short. i think the WP allows for HT carrying in the HT vs ghost fight, because it was a way to solve the imbalance (ghosts were always winning vs HT...emps were too easy to land) without buffing the HT which was fine for the most part, or the ghost. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
Combat shield marines with +1 armor will now survive 3 shots of bf hellions in the new patch with 1 hp to make the marines get more shots off. This makes bio mech vs mech much more viable. It adds diversity in the mirror and in TvZ/TvP u can either go for bf hellion or +1 vehicle weapons as both will now 3 shot workers in either way. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Not sure I particularly appreciate the increase in rax build time, I don't think early marine pressure is that deadly these days. Perhaps 11/11 in TvZ but there's already a significant eco cut for that, similarly proxy rax has a huge risk if scouted. The warp prism change seems to be along the lines of what Tyler (I think?) suggested, where it gets a sizable buff so people actually experiment with it more, and then if it's now too good it can be toned back a bit. Blueflame change was sort of needed. I won't lie though, I was kind of hoping that they'd just make workers a unique class type since I feel it's only the damage that they do to mineral lines that's a real issue. It'll be interesting to see what this means for mech in the long run, particularly in the early game. Ultra build time reduction is nice; I think they're a better unit than they get given credit for (maybe a bit too big) and this will hopefully see them get a bit more use. Should be some crazy games with that fast Hive ling/festor/ultra style ^^ No obvious 1/1/1 nerf, but I have no real idea how you nerf that build right now without drastically altering some T fundamentals. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:43 careohx wrote: Hellion Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5. i dont think this will change anything 4 hellions still 1 shot drones It only destroys tvp mech  | ||
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