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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:53 Moosy wrote: terran gets hit the hardest. but at least we get hsm speed? mass raven now more viable in FMP :D :D I actually do wish we saw it more in pro level games tho. It is such a cool spell | ||
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shackes
Germany148 Posts
Unit vision up ramps has been reduced by 1. What exactly does this affect? Mainly warping in units on the ramp i guess? | ||
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ReasN
Germany43 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:49 HinagikUx wrote: im actually fine with the change...robo into blink was a more safe and defensive opening that gave map control. It could die sometimes to rush blink timings, so i think the immortal buff + blink time will make this opening even safer and more viable than before. I dont think more ppl will 4gate...it will be about the same as it is now. people never really went blink to counter 4gate anyways... At this point in time I think blink rushing is pretty dead in PvP. Now one well placed FF will ALWAYS deny access into the base without an observer, so I guess we can finally be greedy techwise in PvP. Doesn't really change the fact that we still won't have a safe expansion build, but that's just an inherent problem with the warpgate mechanic, so it won't be changed. | ||
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chlindell
Sweden68 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:37 firehand101 wrote: useless....... i think it still takes the same amount of shots from a hellion to kill workers? Drone: 40 HP Probe: 20 HP, 20 Shield SCV: 45 HP
+1 vehicle attack will be better all around for TvT - Makes alot of sense since it's alot of mech usually anyway. | ||
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:50 Snowbear wrote: Yeah indeed, infestor + broodlord was a peace of cake for terrans. It's so easy to defeat huh? pretty much any good tarren will get ghost watch thorzain play | ||
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RaNdOmOwNaGe
Australia51 Posts
Liking all the other balances, infestor damage not really that bad (I don't think it will ruin destiny). To me it feels like blue flame was nerfed a little to much? Maybe not, it always felt weird the way that the blue flame upgrade effected hellions. without blue flame you would need to micro them well to get some good kills, but with blue flame you could easily just attack move and get kills. | ||
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Darkthorn
Romania912 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:18 travis wrote: I think it could be. It gives zerg a little extra time to deal with blink allins. Like they even need blink now when immortals who kill roaches instantly got +1 range... Also fungal doesn't do as much damage as it did before to stalkers. | ||
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:54 REVEX wrote: i dont think that this terran nerf is good for starcraft 2. this are some very strange changes, because increase the buildtime of a barracks can change the whole metagame and terran will get owned by so many strats in early and mid game i agree with you it can delay so much thing. A proxy 2 gate will be extremely hard to hold now. | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:52 PlosionCornu wrote: So we might see the return of this? warp prism/shuttle templar carrying! Watch MC v Select at IEM game 3. It just became more viable  | ||
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Gargara
Romania150 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:56 RaNdOmOwNaGe wrote: Blink play in PvP seems... almost impossible now. Not really - it just means robo into TC is a must, since straight blink won't break a robo opening anymore. Nevertheless later on blink is still awsome. | ||
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HydraLF
Hong Kong626 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:54 REVEX wrote: i dont think that this terran nerf is good for starcraft 2. this are some very strange changes, because increase the buildtime of a barracks can change the whole metagame and terran will get owned by so many strats in early and mid game We protoss had a much bigger nerf in terms of early unit productions than your 5sec delay last major balance patch and we handled everything just fine, stop sulking. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:48 Koshi wrote: It doesn't affect red flame hellions. I think that 2 blue flame hellions still roast drones/lings. Blizzard did this to nerf 10 blue flames hitting stuff. Like Zealot lines. Not true. BFH now need 3 shots for workers. BFH roasting entire ecolines is the only reason why this nerf is coming. They were never a counter to a zealotheavy composition. They were not efficient in a straight up fight against protoss and they suck now. Basically they werent great against any unit except lings and workers. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:54 REVEX wrote: i dont think that this terran nerf is good for starcraft 2. this are some very strange changes, because increase the buildtime of a barracks can change the whole metagame and terran will get owned by so many strats in early and mid game You used the word "metagame" in your explanation. So you must be telling the truth. | ||
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Chrisattack
Australia50 Posts
Do not like blink though  | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:54 REVEX wrote: i dont think that this terran nerf is good for starcraft 2. this are some very strange changes, because increase the buildtime of a barracks can change the whole metagame and terran will get owned by so many strats in early and mid game I'm usually a kind and mannered person....but damn what an idiotic post. 5 sec ingame means about 3-4 sec realtime. I bet if Blizz didn't list the change, 99% of you wouldn't have even noticed it. It's a very minor change that will only affect the very highest level of play. | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
But all in all, a very good patch, seems like they've managed to please quite a good number of players this time! Well done Blizzard!! | ||
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Gargara
Romania150 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:56 dooraven wrote: Watch MC v Select at IEM game 3. It just became more viable I think Alicia said in on twitter, MC made teory crafting be... like you need a ton of APM to pull that of, and even if you are MC, it just pops in a blink of an eye. He lost the warp prism in both games against SelecT and PuMa, so... it's viable for a selected few. | ||
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