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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:00 Brainiac wrote: Blizzard keeps fixing terran leaving them less and less options early game. I wonder when they are gonna fix the real problem - late game. I'm not sure if you're serious, but terran has BY far the most options early game, coupled with the most deadly and diffcult to scout all-ins known to mankind. | ||
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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
 ANy zergs feel the same? | ||
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Brainiac
Poland641 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:01 Tristy wrote: So I take it you ignored the HUUGE HSM buff then? that will be amazing for lategame. Dude, the problem is obviously not some flashy HSM which is useless, but terran macro machanics. Protoss can insta warp xx units + can chrono gates, zergs can spawn xx units from larva, terran doesn't have such things. That's why they just can't keep up late game. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:01 Tristy wrote: So I take it you ignored the HUUGE HSM buff then? that will be amazing for lategame. Lolmao, HSM might become the new nydus canal of Terran. The ultimate rethorical argument once a Zerg player realizes he can't deny that his straight macro mechanics are superior to the one of Terrans. Btw, HSM sucks, and still heavily sucks, cost way too much gaz and still get's outrun by speedlings/bane/muta... Only MU where this might have an incidence is late game TvT, since Vikings are slow... It wouldn't be used more in TvP and TvZ. | ||
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Limpo
Sweden25 Posts
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Special Endrey
Germany1929 Posts
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Gargara
Romania150 Posts
So this is like, what? Warp prism? I don't get this one. | ||
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Toplicane
Germany25 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:05 Brainiac wrote: Dude, the problem is obviosly not some flashy HSM which is useless, but terran macro machanics. Protoss can insta warp xx units + can chrono gates, zergs can spawn xx units from larva, terran doesn't such things. That's why they just can't keep up late game. Make more rax. The cooldown on warpgate means it should be around the same production wise. | ||
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
The helion change seems like a good one but it doesn't change things to much, the reason the helion is so powerful is actually because its a low tech no gas splash dmg unit, the only one of its kind in sc2. As for the contaminate cost it seems pretty obvious to me that if you make it so zerg can build oveersers much much more freely you run the risk of contamination becoming incredibly OP (have to remember that Overseers don't take up supply as well). But most importantly we have some much much needed buffs to protoss, about bloody time blizz. | ||
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GLiscor
United Kingdom73 Posts
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:52 PlosionCornu wrote: So we might see the return of this? warp prism/shuttle templar carrying! Pro players are already doing that. Just watch mc game at IEM or LiquidHero stream  | ||
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Brainiac
Poland641 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Make more rax. The cooldown on warpgate means it should be around the same production wise. LOL. You forget the fact that after max/max situation toss can insta warp 30 units into a battlefield (proxy pylons) while terran still has to wait for units to be trained. Please, don't make ignorant statements like "make moar rax", it's so stupid. | ||
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SamsLiST
Germany184 Posts
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Lurk
Germany359 Posts
On August 25 2011 18:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Make more rax. The cooldown on warpgate means it should be around the same production wise. Even if a terran has 100 barracks, the marines still won't come out until AFTER they're trained. Whereas with warpgates you get units almost instantly. This is a major difference when trying to rebuild an army after a 200 vs 200 food engagement - the protoss will always be one cycle ahead. But i don't want to derail this discussion, just to give you an idea why some people think that warpgate mechanics are a problem. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
Baneling's Attack Structure ability is now a toggle to Enable/Disable Attack Structure. The toggle will determine whether structures are valid targets for auto-attack. This change fixes an issue which caused Banelings to prioritize buildings over hostile units. Isn't this also a balance thing? Helps while fighting in an enemy base! | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
I will also check the mothership, because that is a good amount of speed increase to maybe make it useful. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:51 Elefanto wrote: No, but the coin-flippy 4gate blink without detection build gets useless as you won't break a solid 2/3 gate robo into blink. It makes the match-up more stable. If it does go to 2gate/robo only, wont voidray rush ruin the matchup again ? The voidray rush wasn't really viable in 1.3 cause 4gate & blink stalkers were common, unless you knew from your opponent he almost always goes robo. | ||
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