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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:43 careohx wrote: Hellion Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5. i dont think this will change anything 4 hellions still 1 shot drones It doesn't affect red flame hellions. I think that 2 blue flame hellions still roast drones/lings. Blizzard did this to nerf 10 blue flames hitting stuff. Like Zealot lines. | ||
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HinagikUx
United States178 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:47 Deckkie wrote: @ Any Protoss, With the Blink nerf, is there a chance that we will be watching mostly 4 gate vs 4 gate again? im actually fine with the change...robo into blink was a more safe and defensive opening that gave map control. It could die sometimes to rush blink timings, so i think the immortal buff + blink time will make this opening even safer and more viable than before. I dont think more ppl will 4gate...it will be about the same as it is now. people never really went blink to counter 4gate anyways... | ||
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whisp91
87 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:48 Koshi wrote: It doesn't affect red flame hellions. I think that 2 blue flame hellions still roast drones/lings. Blizzard did this to nerf 10 blue flames hitting stuff. Like Zealot lines. Theyll deal 19 dmg to light ifs changed to +5. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:43 ImperialTea wrote: Infestor nerf didn't seem that justified, at least in TvZ. Did infestors really pose such a problem in PvZ? SM buff could be interesting, but doesn't solve a lot of the difficulty in getting ravens and justifying their cost. Yeah indeed, infestor + broodlord was a peace of cake for terrans. It's so easy to defeat huh? | ||
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Timestreamer
Israel157 Posts
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:26 Mysticesper wrote: they use 64ths for their numbers. 61/64 = .9531. its just easier to write in decimal form since you cannot easily create nicely formatted fractions on the web. Oh I see. Thanks for the reply  | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13425 Posts
Sad about the Infestor buff, but it was to be expected. They will still be very useful units and I guess Ultras will be making something of a comeback now! Mass roaching in ZvP may be interesting now the Immortal buff... Just have to wait and see I guess. | ||
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berr0n!
Germany59 Posts
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Nottoo
38 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:40 Diderick wrote: Im most shocked by the barracks build time change. Why would they do that. I thought rushes werent really a issue anymore. This totally throws the standard opening timings off  Yep, looks like terran will have to either make an extra worker while not making an orbital for about 12 seconds or cut scv production right after the supply depot to get a slightly quicker barracks but lose 5 seconds of scv build time. It's just weird, why bother? | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:47 Deckkie wrote: @ Any Protoss, With the Blink nerf, is there a chance that we will be watching mostly 4 gate vs 4 gate again? I was thinking that too, but the blink timing shouldn't matter all that much, you'll just have another round of stalkers, and I'm pretty sure that blink would always come too late to help in a 4 gate situation. Coming from a masters P who hates PvP more than anthing, I sure as hell hope not -.- If anything, hopefully early robo pushes/defense will see more use with the immortal buff | ||
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
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Mellon
Sweden917 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:42 SolidMustard wrote: well, for a drop, it's not such a bad indicator, I guess, since the level of HP will determine what DPS, therefore what amount of units you'll have to move to the place where you got dropped in order to defend accordingly... Still, the DPS of the attacking units should be taken into account too 4 zealots with charge can't wreak as much havoc as 8 stimmed marines with a medivac support. I would even argue that 8 zealots aint as potent as 8 marines since even if u pull workers u can't react before several has been killed. Also charge is researched way later than stim of course.. It's a great change, but it wont change the fact that Protoss is the race least benefitting from drop harass. And of course, one race gotta be worst at everything so i dont mind that . The biggest change is that its a bit more sturdy for picking up units in mid fights to save em, just like they are made to do. Shuttle HT's, save Colossi from fire and warp in units. U still need the speed research to make em viable!Would like to see them abit faster initially and without an upgrade, but i don't know maybe it would be too good! Immortal +1 range aswell is long due imo, they got terrible pathing and unless u spend 200 apm on each immortal they wont even fire anything for the first 10 seconds if u got a big supply army. Gonna be interesting to see what difference it makes | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:47 Deckkie wrote: @ Any Protoss, With the Blink nerf, is there a chance that we will be watching mostly 4 gate vs 4 gate again? No, but the coin-flippy 4gate blink without detection build gets useless as you won't break a solid 2/3 gate robo into blink. It makes the match-up more stable. | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
warp prism/shuttle templar carrying! | ||
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Jontegrisen
Denmark15 Posts
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:53 Moosy wrote: terran gets hit the hardest. but at least we get hsm speed? YEAH, team game will be so much fun! :p | ||
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Saiton
Sweden467 Posts
And a little love for the Warp Prism <3 | ||
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Latchy
Australia121 Posts
With the Blink nerf, is there a chance that we will be watching mostly 4 gate vs 4 gate again? Honestly, I dont think so. I think that instead of blink, Robo builds will become even more popular because of the much needed Immortal range buff. | ||
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Swilvan
113 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:51 Nottoo wrote: Yep, looks like terran will have to either make an extra worker while not making an orbital for about 12 seconds or cut scv production right after the supply depot to get a slightly quicker barracks but lose some scv build time. It's just weird, why bother? It's strange indeed, but I guess until I hear some numbers crunched (or do them myself) I'll be getting 16 Orbital. I think the hellion nerf is awesome (me being terran) because I never used bf too much anyway and now the "hellion op" cries will be less. Also I'll definitely be experimenting some more with seeker missiles :D | ||
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