Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 94

On August 25 2011 17:23 cYaN wrote:
Am I understanding the fungal change right?
From 36 (46,8 vs armor) to 30 (40 vs armor)?

On August 25 2011 17:26 _Search_ wrote:

When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units.

When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more.


This Warp Prism buff is far too good.

On August 25 2011 17:13 Fiel wrote:
Here's how the fungal change affects units:

PROTOSS:
Probe: No change
Zealot: No change
Stalker: No change
Sentry: No change
HT: No change
DT: No change
Immortal: 7 --> 8
Colossus: 8 --> 9
Archon: 10 --> 12
Obs: No change
Warp Prism: 3 (at 140 total HP) --> 5 (at 200 total HP)
Phoenix: 5 --> 6
Void Ray: 6 --> 7
Carrier: 10 --> 12
Mothership: 15 --> 18

ZERG:
Drone: No change
Zergling: No change
Baneling: 1 --> 2 (due to regen)
Roach: No change
Hydra: No change
Infestor: No change (due to regen)
Ultra: 11 --> 13
Overlord: 5 --> 6 (due to regen)
Overseer: 5 --> 6 (due to regen)
Mutalisk: 4 --> 5 (due to regen)
Corruptor: 5 --> 6 (due to regen)
Brood Lord: 5 --> 6

TERRAN:
Marine: No change
Marauder: 3 --> 4
Reaper: No change
Ghost: 3 --> 4
Hellion: No change
Siege Tank: No change
Thor: 9 --> 10
Viking: 3 --> 4
Medivac: No change
Raven: 3 --> 4
Banshee: 4 --> 5
Battlecruiser: 12 --> 14


THEREFORE:
The Fungal nerf will have little change in ZvP. Making phoenix clouds take more fungals won't affect too much. Protoss can get Phoenixes out faster than Zerg can get out infestors anyway. Making void rays require 7 fungals doesn't change much either as VRs tend to clump. Also, FFE into Stargate (MC build) will have Stargate units hitting before Infestors as well. The biggest change I foresee is the greater viability of drops in PvZ because it takes more damage to kill the Warp Prism.

In ZvT there will be a big impact. Making Banshees now require 5 fungals means Zergs will have to get spore crawlers to fight against banshees and not rely on chain fungals to deal with air. Actually, now that all air units require more fungals to kill, that means fewer fungals to deal with MMM. Making HSM have faster speed also means that clumps of infestors will be wiped out as they can't run away with their slow speed. Infestors are far less viable in ZvT simply because of this nerf to Fungal.

I don't foresee much issue with the larger units like Battlecruisers, Archons, or Colossus taking more fungals since Zergs prefer to NP these anyway.

On August 25 2011 17:26 Amui wrote:


When you drop 360-500 worth of units, if we are out of position, we lose a critical techstructure and a handful of probes, even if we run instantly. When protoss drops 600hp of zealots, you run workers losing maybe 1 because you aren't used to protoss drops, and possibly a techlab or a supply depot before your production kicks in. If protoss can drop 4+6, you'll easily have 5 barracks pumping stuff out, and clean up with ease. You forget how cost efficient your stuff is against gateway in small numbers.

On August 25 2011 17:24 Dsn4001 wrote:


But medivac doubles as a healer, and stimmed units are much faster than gateway units.

On August 25 2011 17:21 _Search_ wrote:


When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units.

When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more.


This Warp Prism buff is far too good.

On August 25 2011 17:30 _Search_ wrote:



And Stalkers have more range, speed and single hit damage than marines, making it easier for them to shut down drops.

Warp Prism harass, especially early game, is already so deadly. The unit is fine as it is, tosses just need to learn to use it and not cry when they lose it.

I wish medivacs only cost 200 minerals.

On August 25 2011 17:21 _Search_ wrote:


When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units.

When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more.


This Warp Prism buff is far too good.

On August 25 2011 17:32 Partypants wrote:
Warp prism being buffed is well over-due. Finally all 3 races can have viable dropping options.

The rax nerf i truly don't understand + the helions wtf ? now the t v t is going to resort back to boring MMM/tank/viking

On August 25 2011 17:34 sleepingdog wrote:


Hellion was way too coinflippy - u line em up? Well, GG sir, see you next game.

It was funny for a while, but even pro-gamers mostly failed miserably at defending. Which means, that it's just too hard. I don't want to see games decided by who gets more lucky with his hellions.