EPTOn August 25 2011 10:14 awu25 wrote:
General
Unit vision up ramps has been reduced by 1.
General
Unit vision up ramps has been reduced by 1.
Shakuras ZvP vs Forge FE.
2 Zerglings can now only get 2 scouts up the ramp instead of 4.
Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 93
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
Shakuras ZvP vs Forge FE. 2 Zerglings can now only get 2 scouts up the ramp instead of 4. | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
On August 25 2011 16:39 Doler wrote: Yea I'm also sad about this. With the immortal range buff and the blink time research longer, blink in PvP will be much harder  And blink was the part that made pvp a good matchup lately imoOr the beginning of phoenix wars? | ||
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NDsOdapOp
United Kingdom60 Posts
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kusto
Russian Federation823 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:19 MyNameIsAlex wrote: Hey dont know if anyone spoted this but this is huge also: Fixed an issue where Drone attacks could be more easily dodged than SCV or Probes. O RLY BLIZZARD? AFTER 1 YEAR, YOU ACTUALLY FOUND TIME TO FIX IT? Ironically, Drones need it the most when defending cannons/bunkers earlygame. | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:19 MyNameIsAlex wrote: Hey dont know if anyone spoted this but this is huge also: Fixed an issue where Drone attacks could be more easily dodged than SCV or Probes. O RLY BLIZZARD? AFTER 1 YEAR, YOU ACTUALLY FOUND TIME TO FIX IT? This is actually the 2nd time they try to fix it. Lets hope the drones don't implode when trying to attack this time. | ||
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_Search_
Canada180 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:18 Elefanto wrote: It's hilarious how people complain about the Warpprism getting buffed, because they fear that protoss will be able to harass and they have to pay attention on the minimap and start multitasking. When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units. When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more. This Warp Prism buff is far too good. | ||
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ShotgunMike
Sweden241 Posts
Vision up ramps: Interesting, this could perhaps educe the 4gate craziness in PvP on maps with ramps to main base (if this makes it more difficult to warp-in past force fields). I'm unsure about the Immortal buff. This will make it more difficult with roaches and it seems to mostly solve a micro-issue (the immortal getting stuck behind stalkers) in the ZvP matchup. Perhaps it has other impacts on PvP and PvT but I feel that the Immortal is already a pretty good unit. Mothership changes: don't really care, but why does Protoss have a hero unit by the way? Warp Prism: I agree with this. Perhaps a speed buff would have been better, 100 shield sounds like a lot but we will see. I agree with all Terran changes. (I enjoyed the subtle Bunker nerf/delay  )Overseer: Cost change is good. Don't agree with the contaminiation change but perhaps Blizz is afraid of some mass-contaminate strategies. Ultralisk: Finally. I very seldom switch to Ultra but now if the production time is shorter I will consider it more often. Infestor: This I find slightly disturbing. I know a lot of high-level players in US and EU have been complaining but for me the Infestor has been the best anti-air options in early mid-game. Now I will need one more fungal to kill vikings and banshees. That can make a huge difference. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:12 Lurk wrote: The 5s increased rax build time is gonna majorly screw standard build orders for terran as you'll either have to get a 16th worker before OC or let your CC sit idle for 5s. It's not going to screw anything. OC delayed by 5 seconds.. that's like 20 minerals or something worth of a mule. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
. What they need to do is leave the Barrack build time alone, increase addon time and siege morde research time and all are well . | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
From 36 (46,8 vs armor) to 30 (40 vs armor)? | ||
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
Other than that, hellions only lose their potency vs zealots, basically. Hydras still get 4shot (just need +1 upgrade, and mech attack upgs scale better than armor upgs), lings get 2 shot, sentries get 2 shot still (? +1 upg but then theres guardian shield, so, sentries potentially can survive 3 hits if the protoss pays attention), but yeah, it is a nerf vs drone lines and vs zealots that need multiple hits to die. To an extent I don't know how well terran can deal with mass zealots now. Vs a ball of MMM obv zeals are rarely great, but Deffinitely protoss can probably get away with slightly more, if they surround correctly (which isnt too hard with charge, tho many still fail alot it seems), it's the same as a buff for zealots in pvt i feel. Ah, and I havent considered the changes in TvT, but hellions were never awesome at killing marines, marines actually now take 3 shots to kill before health upg, but after health upg it still takes 3 shot regardless of which patch you play. So it is an early-game nerf in TvT you could say. Honestly I always found it ridiculous for a unit to receive +10 damage from a single upgrade. On paper it is just OP, and the +5 damage both makes more sense, and it disscourages suiciding 10 blue flamers into eco lines hoping to do crippling damage without careful unit control; it will still be a viable tactic, but you need a little positioning to get that one extra hit off on all the workers, also hellion suicide squads will no longer wait for blue flame; blue flame will become a mid/lategame upgrade to control ling (and zealot/hydra/sentry and possibly be used like baneling bombs on the main army aswell, and not just on mineral lines) | ||
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Dsn4001
Korea (South)106 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:21 _Search_ wrote: When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units. When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more. This Warp Prism buff is far too good. But medivac doubles as a healer, and stimmed units are much faster than gateway units. | ||
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Lurk
Germany359 Posts
Drones/Probes: 3 hits instead of 2 (same as w/o BF) SCVs/Marines: 3 hits instead of 2 (4 w/o BF) Zerglings: Still 2 hits (3 w/o BF) CS-Marines: Still 3 hits (4 w/o BF) Zealots: 9 hits instead of 7 (12 w/o BF) So BF will be useless for worker harassment vZ and vP. This is kind of stupid since the main issue was vT ? Anyway, i think you'll see a lot less BF. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:21 MikeTheZerg wrote: Infestor: This I find slightly disturbing. I know a lot of high-level players in US and EU have been complaining but for me the Infestor has been the best anti-air options in early mid-game. Now I will need one more fungal to kill vikings and banshees. That can make a huge difference. I think it'll mostly just mean that you should spam infested terrans instead of using JUST fungals. Not too big of a deal IMO. On August 25 2011 17:25 Lurk wrote: The blueflame change will have the following effects: Drones/Probes: 3 hits instead of 2 (same as w/o BF) SCVs/Marines: 3 hits instead of 2 (4 w/o BF) Zerglings: Still 2 hits (3 w/o BF) CS-Marines: Still 3 hits (4 w/o BF) Zealots: 9 hits instead of 7 (12 w/o BF) So BF will be useless for worker harassment vZ and vP. This is kind of stupid since the main issue was vT ? Anyway, i think you'll see a lot less BF. Terran can research it along with +1 vehicle weapons and you can once again 2-shot workers. BFH are still gonna be insanely good vs speedlings | ||
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xinxy
Canada116 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:21 MikeTheZerg wrote: Mothership changes: don't really care, but why does Protoss have a hero unit by the way? You must have the mothership confused with the one from Alpha... You know a single BC can take it out 1 on 1 right? | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
What IS annoying is the rax time 5 second increase.....it will seriously have major impacts on MANY things.....I think almost all the guides written before this 1.4 patch will be outdated lol... Bu other than that its ok i guess | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:08 MandoRelease wrote: LOL wut ? How did Blizzard come up with that speed ? I'd be interested to know the tool used for their calculations. they use 64ths for their numbers. 61/64 = .9531. its just easier to write in decimal form since you cannot easily create nicely formatted fractions on the web. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:25 Lurk wrote: So BF will be useless for worker harassment vZ and vP. It's still good. Z still compelled to roach for large BF harass styles cus lings will melt. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 25 2011 17:21 _Search_ wrote: When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units. When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more. This Warp Prism buff is far too good. When you drop 360-500 worth of units, if we are out of position, we lose a critical techstructure and a handful of probes, even if we run instantly. When protoss drops 600hp of zealots, you run workers losing maybe 1 because you aren't used to protoss drops, and possibly a techlab or a supply depot before your production kicks in. If protoss can drop 4+6, you'll easily have 5 barracks pumping stuff out, and clean up with ease. You forget how cost efficient your stuff is against gateway in small numbers. | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
So BF will be useless for worker harassment vZ and vP. This is kind of stupid since the main issue was vT ? This made me lol so hard. | ||
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