EPTPatch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 81
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:32 LicH. wrote: good to know its a legitimate Blizzard patch: 3+ nerfs to terran everytime all the time Stop whining, Terran has been the strongest race in every matchup since forever | ||
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Mesha
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
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King.Crimson
Romania478 Posts
I feel that with the BFH upgrade nerf, Blizzard manages to remove yet another interesting strategy/timing from the game. They did the same thing to the Reaper, to the Khaydarin Amulet Templars, and they removed Flux Vanes from Void Rays (the last one is not that significant, but i'm not a fan of removing content from games). What i would suggest is make BFH upgrade +6, instead of +5, thus giving BFH's a total of 20 damage vs light units, still being able to 2 shot drones and probes, since this is the whole point people research the upgrade, to do some worker damage. But if they do exact 20 damage, probes and drones have a chance to regenerate 1 point while trying to dodge the hellions, and thus might require 3 shots if the terran is not quick enough to kill them. It would also mean that BFH's now require 3 shots to kill SCV's, which is a good thing and probably the best change to BFH upgrade nerf, as it was kinda ruining TvT. And about the +5 sec on Barracks, i don't think they even considered the ramifications it has on delayed Orbital Command. If they want to nerf 2 rax pressure against zerg a bit, just give Bunker another +5 sec build time. I'm guessing they thought of this also, but they don't want to feel like idiots for nerfing Bunkers for like the 6th time. | ||
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Arolis
United States496 Posts
I like the Protoss and Zerg changes. Seems Blizzard has dropped any pretenses of the Immortal being a good 'tanking' unit and buffed the dps aspect of the unit. The mothership hasn't been looked at much very recently so this might be interesting. More 'Special Tactics' love. Terran and Zerg should be happy with Warp Prism buff. They'll see more Protoss on ladder doing shitty drops that cost them the game. Easy ladder points. Terran and Protoss have been quietly saying that infestors were slightly too strong for a while. Guess Blizzard agreed. It was pretty ridiculous that overseers cost more than observers. Good change on that part, but the contaminate change is a head scratcher. I guess since since overseers cost 50 less gas now, it's easier to make 2 and lock down a hatchery for a while in ZvZ. | ||
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nmasters
Greece3 Posts
whats next? User was warned for this post | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On August 25 2011 14:50 Thorzain wrote: I think a pretty huge change is that vikings now take 4 fungals to kill instead of 3. This helps a lot against the broodlord infestor combination. Thorzain dropping knowledge lol Great point man. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
Sentry Guardian Shield now correctly reduces damage from Hellion, Void ray, and Colossus attacks as well as the Siege Tank’s sieged attack. This's interesting. I didn't know guardian shield doesn't work against Siege tank. But now I guess it could help immortal/zealots/stalkers tremendously to bust 1/1/1 build. | ||
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obsKura
Ireland1061 Posts
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LicH.
China235 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:33 ToastieNL wrote: Stop whining, Terran has been the strongest race in every matchup since forever No whine in my post sir. I simply wish to commend the authenticity of this patch. | ||
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Trealador
United States207 Posts
raxx > factory > starport > tech lab > HSM > raven > wait for 125 energy > 1 missle and raven dies. BUT ITS FASTER, Y U CRY?! Protoss can get away with doing 0 harassment and just walk over people with a deathball, and yet they get the buff because after 0 creativity against the 1/1/1 they cant beat it blizzard needs to bail them out. From the matches I have seen 1/1/1 is beatable and is clearly just as hard to defend as to execute well at the top level. | ||
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Gatored
United States679 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:30 Hellbourne wrote: What? WHAT? This patch can't be a serious attempt at balancing the game. Why would anyone increase the barracks build time? Why buff protoss like that? It's not like they were UP... and nerfing fungal, well, saw it coming after all the protoss qqing about it. No, they were not UP in the slightest. Wait, you didn't see the win rates of all the races that was recently posted? I take it no. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:33 darklordjac wrote: sooooo no more blink stalkers in pvp? Better than Endless 4Gate. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4215 Posts
it's like a playing a new game :0 | ||
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aquanda
United States477 Posts
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Borkbokbork
United States123 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:03 archbounds wrote: So now the Warp Prism is the fastest (equal without Gravatic), cheapest and strongest (and can benefit from 2 different armor upgrades), which can warp in units once it lands? DID I MENTION IT ALSO COSTS NO GAS? Perfect balance blizzard. Perfect. However, the units it comes with are the weakest harass units. Perspective, my friend! You can run away from zealots and stalkers dont do shit to workers. | ||
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
The blue flame nerf seems extreme, halving the bonus damage is a lot, I think changing 10 -> 7 or 8 might be more appropriate, whatever the minimum is to need three shots I guess? even then actually, I'm not sure you can nerf bfh and not nerf +2 banes, those are totally just as bad. The rax change seems random and completely uncalled for... Warp prism is good although +60hp is *alot* | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
i literally danced around my room and that's only after i saw the immortal range increase FUCK YES I'M SO HAPPY | ||
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vanhio
Niue1017 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On August 25 2011 13:59 HuTSC2 wrote: I really don't fucking understand the barracks nerf. +5 seconds messes alot with the already concrete standard opening of 12 rax 15 orbital.. probably because of the amount of free wins terran's get for marine/bunker pressure..... | ||
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