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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:24 supdubdup wrote: In before raven gets energy upgrade or energy needed to use HSM is 100?  http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Corvid_Reactor I'm not even sure if people are trolling anymore... | ||
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archbounds
17 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:18 Petninja wrote: Medivacs can heal, and you get them anyway for your main army comp. Warp prisms need to be upgraded with expensive upgrades to make them what you make of them, and Medivacs can carry Marines. Your argument is invalid. My argument is invalid. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Fa1ty.jpg) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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Xanatoss
Germany539 Posts
Prepare for endless Immortal-Spam pesky Zergs! In addition Warpprism Buff? Prepare for endless Immortal-Drops pesky Zergs! ^^ | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:12 EternaL_9 wrote: Overlords are free, can drop, and are very fast. Warp prism comes out of the robo which wants to make colossus not warp prisms. It's very inconvenient to get a warp prism if you're going colossus play. Overlords are many things, but they are not fast. I do agree with you about the robo bay though. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:26 Xanatoss wrote: My favourite Unit in the Game FINALLY gets +1 Range? Awesome :D Prepare for endless Immortal-Spam pesky Zergs! Only works until Gold League.  Bronze League if playing on KR. ;_; | ||
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SaroVati
Canada280 Posts
NP'd units now switch the power transfer over to the zerg player. Since the warp prism is getting a buff in hp, it will likely be used for toss to do their late game push with. Because of zerg's macro mechanic, they are still in theory the strongest in a very late game situation (build time decrease on ultras also reflects this) because of the fact they can remax with MONEY units (such as the infestor / ultra etc.) whereas terran and protoss late game can only really mash out gateway/barracks units quickly after a huge battle. Because of this, the warp prism is necessary to instantly reinforce the P's army so he can crush the zerg before this remax hits instantly. Because of this subtle change, a GOOD zerg player can now NP your warp prism AS your units warp in (cancelling them) and then turn your warp-prism back into transport mode or even kill it. Seems like a fun micro battle that would happen in the late game instead of broodlord/ultra/roach/infestor vs. colossus/immortal/stalker/high templar a-moves with 1 spell casted on each side (fungal and storm) | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:17 Thorzain wrote: I think that they should have added range to the seeker missile instead of the speed bonus (or both) if they wanted to see it used more. I think that the biggest problem with seeker missile is that whenever you use it, you practically sacrifice your raven as well, because it has an extremely short range. u should look at it this way if your opponent is good at splitting you pay 200 gas to take one muta down to red health, not a great bargain. it should not be expected that the raven will be used for something other than detection past launching the seeker missile. if you are going to invest into this upgrade then you should have at least 4-5 ravens if not more to make it worthwhile...then there is the question of whether the raven is re-usable like science vessels are. chances are that in the endgame stage is zerg is able to remax then they will roll over your army because 125 mana is simply quite prohibitive after the first cast. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:17 Thorzain wrote: I think that they should have added range to the seeker missile instead of the speed bonus (or both) if they wanted to see it used more. I think that the biggest problem with seeker missile is that whenever you use it, you practically sacrifice your raven as well, because it has an extremely short range. Amen! Though I still fail to see a realistic scenario that a) wants me to get more than 1-2 raven for detection, b) provides good targets without c) having me kill my own units with the splash and d) getting my raven killed before it can launch the missile. Maybe in TvT if the opponent is light on vikings and has much bio. | ||
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facemelterr
Canada58 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:27 SaroVati wrote: Am I the only seeing the subtle nerf for the future blizzard put in? NP'd units now switch the power transfer over to the zerg player. Since the warp prism is getting a buff in hp, it will likely be used for toss to do their late game push with. Because of zerg's macro mechanic, they are still in theory the strongest in a very late game situation (build time decrease on ultras also reflects this) because of the fact they can remax with MONEY units (such as the infestor / ultra etc.) whereas terran and protoss late game can only really mash out gateway/barracks units quickly after a huge battle. Because of this, the warp prism is necessary to instantly reinforce the P's army so he can crush the zerg before this remax hits instantly. Because of this subtle change, a GOOD zerg player can now NP your warp prism AS your units warp in (cancelling them) and then turn your warp-prism back into transport mode or even kill it. Seems like a fun micro battle that would happen in the late game instead of broodlord/ultra/roach/infestor vs. colossus/immortal/stalker/high templar a-moves with 1 spell casted on each side (fungal and storm) pretty sure u cant NP shuttles that have units in them | ||
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Hellbourne
Germany63 Posts
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AzureD
United States320 Posts
Protoss: Issuing new orders to charging zealots will cause them to lose the charge buff. Sentry Guardian Shield now correctly reduces damage from Hellion, Void ray, and Colossus attacks as well as the Siege Tank’s sieged attack. Fixed an issue where Colossus thermal lance beams would track a unit much further than the range of the weapon. Terran SCVs can no longer repair themselves while inside a Bunker or Medivac. Zerg Baneling's Attack Structure ability is now a toggle to Enable/Disable Attack Structure. The toggle will determine whether structures are valid targets for auto-attack. This change fixes an issue which caused Banelings to prioritize buildings over hostile units. Attack upgrades are now retained by units controlled by Neural Parasite. Canceling more than one of the same structure at the same time as Zerg will add all Drones to the selection. Improved Larva placement when the bottom edge of a hatchery is on a cliff edge to prevent Larva from getting killed. Fixed an issue where Drone attacks could be more easily dodged than SCV or Probes. This basically buffs the Sentry quite a lot. As the Sentry ignored all other AoE attacks before. It now reduces AoE damage. Time to change the wiki. This also makes Sentry + Immortal a potentially very powerful strategy as it might now reduce shield damage to 8 per shot. A big deal vs Colossi and Siege Tanks. Also Drones can more easily fight off SCV and Probes blocking the natural. Although it is now possible to screw up the Chargelots and they can no longer preemptively charge into battle if my guess is right. | ||
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YoungNeil
Canada328 Posts
Issuing new orders to charging zealots will cause them to lose the charge buff. This actually makes me very sad. I was hoping to see more players experiment with chargelot micro, but now it can't be done. | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
I like pretty much everything here, but am sad about 3 things: contaminate nerf, which seems a bit overkill, no bunker change (should be 68 minerals back, 75 is too much) and no 1/1/1 addressing (which MAY need more time to look at. Maybe not, but maybe.) | ||
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pedduck
Thailand468 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:17 Thorzain wrote: I think that they should have added range to the seeker missile instead of the speed bonus (or both) if they wanted to see it used more. I think that the biggest problem with seeker missile is that whenever you use it, you practically sacrifice your raven as well, because it has an extremely short range. +1 | ||
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LicH.
China235 Posts
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LicH.
China235 Posts
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Petninja
United States159 Posts
Fix'd You're comparing apples to oranges. Stop comparing single units vs other single units. I can do this too. Marines beat Zealots. Marauders beat Stalkers. None of that matters because we play Starcraft, not Pokemon. | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
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