EPTAs for GSL, 2 raxx punishes greed? protoss can make a pylon to force zerg to pool first, but terran do it it's OP? Make 2 raxxing more of an investment for terran so it isnt such a low risk high reward opening vs hatch first. I play terran and feel like if the map isnt cross positions it can be pretty abusive.
Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 78
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Trealador
United States207 Posts
As for GSL, 2 raxx punishes greed? protoss can make a pylon to force zerg to pool first, but terran do it it's OP? Make 2 raxxing more of an investment for terran so it isnt such a low risk high reward opening vs hatch first. I play terran and feel like if the map isnt cross positions it can be pretty abusive. | ||
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archbounds
17 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:09 JiPrime wrote: Warp Prism is built from robo, which means while you're building warp prisms, you can't make colossi, or immortals, which are important units that make up the protoss deathball. It's a very fair tradeoff, IMO. This gives more choice of strategies for protoss, which the protoss seriously lack as of now. Medivacs are built from starport, which means whyle you're building medivacs, you can't make vikings, and if it's reactored, anything else. HSM buff will remain unused as long as it's that fucking expensive for something that isn't guaranteed to hit anything for 125 energy. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:00 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: From the man himself. Quit the crying, blizzard actually seems to have got it right this time. I was not crying????? I was just trying to understand the patch since i forgot about about vikings and it was not making sense why they would change it for just 1 more shot on muraders and voids. I actually got it wrong, festors 6 shot voids now xp Also the great t-zan read my post, i feel special | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:03 archbounds wrote: So now the Warp Prism is the fastest (equal without Gravatic), cheapest and strongest (and can benefit from 2 different armor upgrades), which can warp in units once it lands? DID I MENTION IT ALSO COSTS NO GAS? Perfect balance blizzard. Perfect. Overlords are free, can drop, and are very fast. Warp prism comes out of the robo which wants to make colossus not warp prisms. It's very inconvenient to get a warp prism if you're going colossus play. | ||
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
I wonder why they decided to mess with the Rax build time. It's going to screw up a lot of timings for very little benefit. You don't see much proxy Rax vs Z anymore. And P complain more about 1-1-1 than 3 Rax. Seeker Missile change will be interesting. Exact same as speed as Stalkers. So the only units that can out run it is Ling/Baneling/Roach/Hydra/Ultra on creep, Mutas, Phoenix, Reapers, and Hellions. It might be more useful now than PDD vs Collosi and Viking balls...but who knows. I think Raven will still be too much of a gas sink when Tank/Ghost is so needed in every matchup. The other changes look pretty good. Immortal range is long overdue. Ultra build time long overdue. I kinda wish they upped the damage/AOE of them instead though. Warp Prism shields is okay I guess. I kinda wish they gave it armor instead though. It will now be able to survive going straight over a missile turrent with the speed upgrade. Not sure how I feel about that. Mothership change will be interesting, depending upon how much "spawn lag" it still does...thats a big increase in acceleration. Fungal change is silly, such a tiny dps decrease. It'll still two shot marines and stalkers. I guess it will no longer one shot zerglings but really a 5 hp zergling isn't worth much. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:10 Trealador wrote: I love how they increase the time on building barracks by 5 seconds, but keep close spawns. Love that they are addressing the real issues on the ladder. As for GSL, 2 raxx punishes greed? protoss can make a pylon to force zerg to pool first, but terran do it it's OP? Make 2 raxxing more of an investment for terran so it isnt such a low risk high reward opening vs hatch first. I play terran and feel like if the map isnt cross positions it can be pretty abusive. Terran can build a bunker/engi the same as P build a pylon. It used to be pretty common. Blocking!= pressure. | ||
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nbMifu
Brazil170 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:03 archbounds wrote: So now the Warp Prism is the fastest (equal without Gravatic), cheapest and strongest (and can benefit from 2 different armor upgrades), which can warp in units once it lands? DID I MENTION IT ALSO COSTS NO GAS? Perfect balance blizzard. Perfect. Just an Observation about the 2 different armor upgrades: It is actually not an advantage. If I research armor upgrade, if affects only a part of the attacks my protoss unit receives, so I get "less return" from my investment in comparison with a terran armor upgrade for example. | ||
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
Christ, by Legacy of the Void it will probably be like 40 second SD time, 80 second rax and 60 second bunker. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:08 tdt wrote: This is a shitty patch can't believe so many like it. BFH were fun as shit to watch and were dealt with as long as opponets were not greedy and built some roaches or stalkers. I like having scary units like that as long as there is easy counters, half the units in BW were scary as hell. Blink. WG nerf was to make other options open such as robo and blink. Well I guess they just made 4g vs 4g all that more likely. Infestors problem is not damage but lock down which totally removes ability to micro, not to mention damage is infinite anyways with chain fungel so +-10 damage doesnt matter in slightest. Really crappy way to address Infestor complaints. Will change nothing. Mothership - who cares. zerg buff with ultra time. I guess that's more they didnt like them being not used so much and brood lords too much. Still Broods are way way better. Bunker nerf is only 5 seconds but I guess they don't like Terran being able to put any pressure on Zerg, like protoss today. Oh well. Prepare to get overrun. Massive Zerg Buff. Did absolutely nothing about 1/1/1 which has a 90% win rate. Maybe immortals will do something with thier +1 range, it's not rangethat's the problem, it's no DPS at 8 min, vs terran's massive DPS and that tanks invalidate senties, sentries which are protoss's crutch to having a slower DPS ramp with all AoE being tier 3. Warp prism is only decent change. I think you mean barracks nerf not bunker. Big difference as another bunker nerf would be bad. I do agree with Blizz`s approach to have no scary units, but sc2 is noob friendly so you can sort of expect those kinds of changes. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:03 archbounds wrote: So now the Warp Prism is the fastest (equal without Gravatic), cheapest and strongest (and can benefit from 2 different armor upgrades), which can warp in units once it lands? DID I MENTION IT ALSO COSTS NO GAS? Perfect balance blizzard. Perfect. The "benefits from 2 different armor upgrades" is a double sided coin, and in is a lot of cases a weakness not a strength, it costs 350/350 to get +1 for it's entire health pool as opposed to 150/150 for just air carapace or air armor. | ||
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Jimmy Raynor
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Thrasymachus725
Canada527 Posts
Reading comprehension... You know when you approach a ramp, you can see half way up it? This change means you will be able to see maybe a quarter way up it now, until you reach the point where you can see the top of the cliff. This means you will be unable to warp or blink units past force fields. This means that you can park units half way on a ramp while having them act as if they are on top of it. This doesn't mean you can't scout up ramps with workers... this doesn't mean that units on cliffs can out-range the units below them... Really the only significant changes I see this affecting are Queens being able to block Helions on a ramp without them shooting back, and blink/warp/forcefield shenanigans in PvP. Keep in mind though, these are big deals. PvP is changing drastically with this patch. I am happy. | ||
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archbounds
17 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:13 nbMifu wrote: Just an Observation about the 2 different armor upgrades: It is actually not an advantage. If I research armor upgrade, if affects only a part of the attacks my protoss unit receives, so I get "less return" from my investment in comparison with a terran armor upgrade for example. Terran actually has upgrades for each tier (mech, air, and bio). Protoss upgrades can affect whole ranges of units. The more you know! | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
nice warp prism buff, expect some SPESHUL TECKTICKS from WhiteRa . The seeker missle buff was needed, the barracks nerf i don't get. I guess Blizzard wants to stop all early proxy rax once and for all, but it wasn't really a huge problem to begin with. | ||
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syno
Switzerland150 Posts
On August 25 2011 14:50 DH_Remorse wrote: Wow, I love the increesed dmg. to armored by festors :D. Protoss you bout to get some hurt! ^__^ Eeeeh the dmg was decreased... dmg vs armored before: 46.8 dmg vs armored after: 40 | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
Somehow doubt the barracks change will go through, | ||
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Nightrain
481 Posts
On August 25 2011 15:12 Jacobs Ladder wrote: Terran can build a bunker/engi the same as P build a pylon. It used to be pretty common. Blocking!= pressure. not the same, toss can outright kill zerg if z hatches first, gateway into forge when scouted into zerg auto losing | ||
EG.Thorzain
Sweden164 Posts
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