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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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icarly
United States400 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:22 DeaTH.1914 wrote: Try making something other than Marines. LIKE TANKS AND, uhmmmm.. hrmm. medivacs? a few ghosts late game? a couple thors. nothing else is viable. banshees and ravens get shit on by mutas, maradaurs cant shoot air and T needs all the anti air they can get. BCs die because Z can make 20 corrupters at a time. | ||
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Speake
United States494 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
- As others have noted, the Blink research time nerf is weird. The research time isn't what zergs were complaining about, it's the cooldown. Not that I think their complaint is warranted. - And finally, the additional 5 seconds to barracks building time is a horrible idea. I mean, why? Some have suggested it's to nerf bunker rushes. I don't think that's needed, but even if it was, isn't it obviously a bad idea to alter every timing Terrans have to nerf one tactic? All the other changes look fine to me. | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:22 david.oh.k wrote: hey ravens can counter infestors now, seeker missiles can now catch the infestors off creep and kill them :D terrans don't have to only rely on ghosts anymore! your absolutely right, terran should have multiple counters to everything | ||
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Laneir
United States1160 Posts
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Code
Canada634 Posts
This might effect the Viking vs Broodlord battle as having a Raven fire at the Corruptors could change the tide of that battle. .....then Zerg remaxes with faster building Ultras. | ||
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DarKcS
Australia1237 Posts
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:33 epikAnglory wrote: I am pretty sure we were all thinking of when a player cancels a building when they see a scout/overlord coming into their base... Why would you cancel the building while there's a scout in your base..? | ||
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Dsn4001
Korea (South)106 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:35 unSpeake wrote: Great, more ways to get allined by protoss as terran! sweet Now you know how Zerg feels. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
 And the infestor and hellion nerfs are needed I don't care what anyone says.The Ultralisk buff seems weird though. I do think they need a buff, but decreasing the time might prove to be OP in certain situations and probably not help in most situations. The blink change I don't like. I think blink is fun to watch and play in PvP, but maybe it won't change the MU much. | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:18 Midgetman101 wrote: This patch isnt good for mech play :'( You can still target the one unit being targeted and micro it back. It'll make for some clutch moments if it's ever used. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:35 Empirimancer wrote: - The problem with the blue flame nerf is that while it was too good against workers, it was fine against fighting units like zealots and zerglings. It would be nice if Blizzard found a way to nerf the BFH against workers but not against other units. Also, if you're going to reduce an upgrade's effectiveness by 50%, shouldn't its cost be reduced accordingly? - As others have noted, the Blink research time nerf is weird. The research time isn't what zergs were complaining about, it's the cooldown. Not that I think their complaint is warranted. - And finally, the additional 5 seconds to barracks building time is a horrible idea. I mean, why? Some have suggested it's to nerf bunker rushes. I don't think that's needed, but even if it was, isn't it obviously a bad idea to alter every timing Terrans have to nerf one tactic? All the other changes look fine to me. The nerf doesn't affect the efficacy against zerglings. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:35 icarly wrote: LIKE TANKS AND, uhmmmm.. hrmm. medivacs? a few ghosts late game? a couple thors. nothing else is viable. banshees and ravens get shit on by mutas, maradaurs cant shoot air and T needs all the anti air they can get. BCs die because Z can make 20 corrupters at a time. Yeah... Blizzard needs to nerf the free 2000/2000 Zergs get when a Terrain builds a BC | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:37 happyness wrote: Wow awesome. I love immortals, so this is a welcome change for me And the infestor and hellion nerfs are needed I don't care what anyone says.The Ultralisk buff seems weird though. I do think they need a buff, but decreasing the time might prove to be OP in certain situations and probably not help in most situations. The blink change I don't like. I think blink is fun to watch and play in PvP, but maybe it won't change much. Agreed. I just wish they got a size decrease like the thor. The time was ok, in my opinion. They do insanely well on open maps, but narrow maps are awful to see. | ||
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ShrimpDance
392 Posts
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ma70
253 Posts
I don't see why Blizzard keeps changing the APM mechanics like its a big deal, but I'm just wondering what theyre talking about. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
A Viking flies at a speed of 2.75. (edit: it's 2.75, not 2.5. oops) A Corruptor flies at a speed of 2.9531 (according to Liquipedia). A Banshee flies at a speed of 2.75. It is now harder for Vikings, Banshees, and Corruptors to dodge HSM. How much harder needs to be tested on the PTR. Just food for thought. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:39 eviltomahawk wrote: Also interesting to note is the HSM speed change from 2.5 to 2.953. A Viking flies at a speed of 2.5. A Corruptor flies at a speed of 2.9531 (according to Liquipedia). A Banshee flies at a speed of 2.75. It is now harder for Vikings, Banshees, and Corruptors to dodge HSM. How much harder needs to be tested on the PTR. Just food for thought. Already posted something similar a few pages ago, forgot about Vikings though. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
I dont understand why many things that will clearly affect balance are listed as non-balance changes. Immortal change is gonna be nice. Should help in all matchups, making 1/1/1 slightly easier to deal with and mass roaches too. Immortals may also be used in pvp more because they can more easily target colossus. The seeker missile speed might be a little large too, but a lot of testing is gonna need to be done to determine if it is. | ||
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