EPTThe 5 secs on barracks build time will screw up terran build orders. I don't really understand the logic behind that.
But every single other change sounds fantastic.
Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 51
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
The 5 secs on barracks build time will screw up terran build orders. I don't really understand the logic behind that. But every single other change sounds fantastic. | ||
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:23 kenkaze291 wrote: Marines still make faster than zealots that are chronoboosted and zealots are slow to move across a map. Stalkers would come out much later because they need a core. And how is P allowed to pressure against a hatch first...<_< You've never been proxy-gated before have you? No offence but unless you have MKP-like marine micro you can die pretty easily | ||
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
1) TvT Mech. Will it be the same if BFH do less damage? It feels like bio might reign supreme once again, but only time will tell. 2) Another early T rush slow down. This will really help unsuspecting Z's who are struggling to stop early rax pressure. However, is this a problem with the rax timing, or perhaps a Z problem or a map problem? The Protoss changes... I mean the warp prism is absolutely great. Absolutely great. Tyler made a great point. Buff it to hell and see what happens. Then Blizzard will get to see how people will use it and adjust accordingly. Immortal buff will certainly help vs 1/1/1 lol. Blink change might affect PvP (in a negative way), and we will see 4 gate and robo play much more than twilight play, which makes me a sad panda. I don't think they pulled some of these numbers out of their ass. I think BFH change was made so that they kill things in a certain amount of shots less. For example, instead of two shotting drones, they might 3 shot it. This gives races just a tad bit of leeway. I'm not sure what the exacts are. I also wonder why they chose that number for HSM. Wouldn't mind finding out what they wanted it to out run, and what they wanted it to be on the same speed as. | ||
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
When a building is canceled or salvaged the minerals returned will be displayed at the building location for the owner, for enemy players a floating text will be displayed. Is it me or am I taking this too serious? My opinion is that this takes away the point of cancelling something. For example you could see the which building your opponent was planning to build by looking at the amount of resources they get back. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
Mothership help, Immortal help, Ultralisk help, Warp Prism help, and Seeker Missile help. Finally some of these units will see more competitive play. On August 25 2011 12:26 epikAnglory wrote: Is it me or am I taking this too serious? My opinion is that this takes away the point of cancelling something. For example you could see the which building your opponent was planning to build by looking at the amount of resources they get back. It's not shown through Fog of War... The only way it is seen is if you have the vision of the building. It's just like in the Campaign. It changes absolutely nothing except now both you and your opponent will know if he got that last hit on the building and destroyed it or you did a clutch cancel. It helps observers and people watching a lot too. | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
That can reach a lot of units now and seekers do a shit ton of dmg. Guess we have to wait and see. I bet white ra is happy. Special tactics upgraded ftw. | ||
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fireproofazn
United States231 Posts
wait so the enemy can see how much you get back when you cancel? | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
1. 2-rax against zerg. 2. Marine/SCV allin against protoss. | ||
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TA.GaMei
Dominican Republic23 Posts
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
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TutsiRebel
United States172 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:14 awu25 wrote: General Unit vision up ramps has been reduced by 1. Guess this is to limit the ability to blink up ramps in PvP and, to a lesser extent, in other matchups. Good change. PROTOSS Immortal Attack range increased from 5 to 6. Finally! I was wondering when they were going to do this! great change. Mothership Acceleration increased from 0.3 to 1.375. The Mothership’s Cloaking Field no longer cloaks all units instantaneously, but rather adds units to the cloak field over time (maximum of 25 per second). This should alleviate “Mothership Lag” issue when a Mothership comes online. Good change, though people will still never use the mothership. Acceleration was definitely a problem before, though Stalker Blink research time increased from 110 to 140. Were blink stalker all ins really a problem? Don't play protoss, so I don't really know how PvP works Warp Prism Shields increased from 40 to 100. I'm interested to see how this unfolds, but I think this is a little TOO much health. Time will tell. TERRAN Barracks Build time increased from 60 to 65. I'm not really sure why they want to try this Hellion Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5. meh, I'd prefer the damage stay the same and have the tech require armory. In any case, now it takes three shots to kill drones, but lings still get roasted in only two. We'll see how this changes TvT Raven Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. Yayyyy!!!!! ZERG Infestor Fungal Growth damage changed from 36 (+30% armored) to 30 (40 vs Armored). I wouldn't mind a DPS nerf to fungal growth, but given that infestors are huge (easily targetable) units, can we at least get speed back? In any case, hopefully this alleviates some of the QQ (I'm afraid it won't, however) Overseer Morph cost decreased from 50/100 to 50/50. Contaminate energy cost increased from 75 to 125. Awesome. Still wish this was at hatch tech, but now scouting doesn't cost either pneumatized carapace or a ridiculous amount of gas for a single unit. I'm guessing contamination was changed to prevent mass contaminate from being viable in ZvZ. I like it. Ultralisk Build time decreased from 70 to 55. Good. Ultras took way too long to hatch given how much they suck. Can we please get a collision radius reduction now? Notable non-balance changes: When a building is canceled or salvaged the minerals returned will be displayed at the building location for the owner, for enemy players a floating text will be displayed. (I believe this works like single player when you pick up floating mineral patches. You will see a +50 in blue and the opponent will need to be in the vicinity to see this floating text) makes it easier to tell if your opponent got the cancel in time Added three privacy settings to the Options menu under the Battle.net section. Only allow friends to send me invites. Only allow friends to send me chat messages. Set status to Busy when playing a game. (They make it easy for MLG) holy crap, FINALLY! Repeated control group and selection commands will no longer count as unique actions for APM calculation purposes. Issuing new orders to charging zealots will cause them to lose the charge buff. aww, I thought this trick was cool! Attack upgrades are now retained by units controlled by Neural Parasite. I'm gonna have to read through this thread to see if anyone can explain wtf this means SCVs can no longer repair themselves while inside a Bunker or Medivac. Baneling's Attack Structure ability is now a toggle to Enable/Disable Attack Structure. The toggle will determine whether structures are valid targets for auto-attack. This change fixes an issue which caused Banelings to prioritize buildings over hostile units. I really like this. Sometimes I use baneling drops to snipe tech, being able to change building / unit priority really helps If a unit provides power, that power is temporarily transferred to a player using Neural Parasite. huh? does this have to do with custom maps or something? Fixed an issue where Drone attacks could be more easily dodged than SCV or Probes. YES. FINALLY. I remember someone posting a thread where they showed that the drone attack had a smaller "leeway" angle than scv and probe attacks. Now a single drone can actually stop a hatchery block! Now they just have to fix this for DTs (they had the same value for "leeway" angle or whatever the hell it was called, and consequently the same issues with attacks not connecting) Full patch notes: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662 Thoughts: Looks like hellions won't be so popular anymore Interesting contaminate change, didn't think many people used it, let alone thought it needed a change. Great changes all around! Awesome job, Blizzard On August 25 2011 10:18 JBrown08 wrote: Argh, I hope this doesn't make it to the live version. It is a huge nerf for infestors; Id rather have the 8 seconds back. Not really. 36 / 47 reduced to 30 / 40 dmg. I'd prefer to keep the same damage and bonus vs armored, but change the spell either back to eight seconds or perhaps six. It's DPS at four seconds makes chain fungal way too easy. | ||
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DGenerate
Canada140 Posts
does this mean terrans can no longer shft click multiple drops and go on to do other things? (Drewbie drops) | ||
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Code
Canada634 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:26 FryktSkyene wrote: I honestly think seeker missles might be overpowered with that speed. That can reach a lot of units now and seekers do a shit ton of dmg. Guess we have to wait and see. I bet white ra is happy. Special tactics upgraded ftw. The range is still pretty short on the HSM but now it will be one of those "ahhhh did he get it off in time!?!!" moments when the Raven flies in to fire. It will be like the Reaver from BW just without the dud scarabs lol  | ||
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Mjolnir
912 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:26 epikAnglory wrote: Is it me or am I taking this too serious? My opinion is that this takes away the point of cancelling something. For example you could see the which building your opponent was planning to build by looking at the amount of resources they get back. I agree that it is a pretty stupid mechanic to add. So much for the guessing game of having your opponent wonder if you managed to cancel something. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:26 epikAnglory wrote: Is it me or am I taking this too serious? My opinion is that this takes away the point of cancelling something. For example you could see the which building your opponent was planning to build by looking at the amount of resources they get back. They can only see it if they can see the cancelled building. In which case they could have just clicked it before you cancelled it anyway. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13391 Posts
On August 25 2011 12:26 epikAnglory wrote: Is it me or am I taking this too serious? My opinion is that this takes away the point of cancelling something. For example you could see the which building your opponent was planning to build by looking at the amount of resources they get back. Didnt even think of that. So true such a bad idea >.< now | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
pre-1.4, Fungals deal 36 base damage over 4 in-game seconds, or about 9 DPS. 1.4 PTR, Fungals deal 30 base damage over 4 in-game seconds, or about 7.5 DPS. It is especially interesting to note that Medivacs heal at a rate of about 9 health per in-game second. Therefore, Fungal DPS is now less than a Medivac's heal rate, which may be one of the important factors influencing this change. | ||
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