Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 412

On September 15 2011 06:49 Trealador wrote:
NP isn't going to be useless, it just makes it so infestors aren't such a 1 unit kills all. Although with not too many other solutions for Mass units I think with the addition of another change NP would be fine. Idra used it vs MC to take his Immortals, so it isn't like it is completely taken out of the game.

The thing that made NP so abusive is the fact that once it was on there was no turning it off unless you kill the infestor. If they made it so EMP/FB cancelled the effect I would be fine with them controlling massive units. Or having it cost 75 or something but it draining 10 energy per second for massive units, and non massive standard 10 seconds or something. The numbers aren't meant to be exact.

If the change does stand, then they will either need to add a new unit or maybe just take a look at the hydralisk, although it is already the best zerg unit and too versatile in all the matchups I really don't know what they could do with it.

NP nerf really isn't the end of the world as the nerf doesn't seem to be acting upon the fact that it is overpowered but the fact that blizzard simply doesn't like the way it is working. Reapers went from really good to very situational, this wasn't a nerf because they wanted to take it out of the game. They nerfed it because it was not working as intended, or working a little too well.

Honestly I think the next change I would make if terran ever needed a small buff, would be to increase the radius of the missile attacking air, magic boxing is a little too efficient and changing it wouldn't hurt that much. When magic boxing increasing the thor from hitting 1 muta to 2-3 would be a much better change and would punish zerg for grouping up a lot more when harassing. But like I said, they would need to buff the other races first to make it so thors deserve this change to make them work as intended.

On September 15 2011 06:41 Belial88 wrote:


Roach/infestor/Corruptor is impossible to afford on 2 bases...



Can you give me a source for this? I don't mean to be an ass, but I doubt this is true. If you watch the GSL games, you could always explain Protoss losses (4 gate fail, stargate fail, dt fail, ogsinca fail...). But it doesn't change that Protoss end-game is just near impossible for Zerg, and was impossible before the infestor buff. There's a great VOD where Idra goes in length to show how to play ZvP, and there's literally no answer to colossi.

http://blip.tv/learn-from-the-pros-with-mr-b/12-weeks-with-the-pros-zvp-mid-term-with-idra-4791385

I really don't agree with the idea that mech will be harder to deal with because of the NP change. Nestea smashed Goody in the TSL on Shakuras (yes, im aware he lost the series) without using NP. You can't possibly get NP in time for 2 base pushes, and the mass siege tanks behind mech is going to crush any attempt to put forward infestors. Mutas or mass roach is the way to go against mech.

On September 15 2011 06:41 Jermstuddog wrote:


And if you really want to talk about NP on Colossi being too powerful, maybe we should look at the unit being targeted. For 9 of the 12 months the game has been released, Colossi have shat all over everything Zerg has on the ground. I still lose games to Colossus death-balls in these OP days of the Infestor.

You complain about a 100/150 unit turning a badly positioned 300/200 unit against you, but that same 300/200 unit can kill an infinite amount of EVERYTHING I have on the ground when used properly.

It's funny that Protoss thinks the OP part of NP'd Colossi is the NP, not the Colossi...

Colossus is a fine unit, Zerg just needs to L2P right?

On September 15 2011 06:56 Jermstuddog wrote:


lol

On September 15 2011 06:56 Fleebenworth wrote:


You're overreacting. If this NP change even goes live, infestors will still be quite good, they just won't be COUNTERS EVERYTHING good.

On September 15 2011 07:02 -orb- wrote:


for someone who has claimed to have quit SC2 not to look back for a couple months, you sure do seem to post a lot in a patch discussion thread of a game you "quit"

On September 15 2011 07:02 Jermstuddog wrote:


I read your statement as "Zerg can't have good units, that's not fair!"

Marines counter everything and don't require energy to do so, this is the base unit of the race we're talking about...

Stalkers counter everything except Marines and Marauders, which they hold their own against with other abilities (Blink/Force Field).

Infestors come out far later than both of those units, their ability to counter everything is dependent on how much energy they have, and they eat up all of your gas to keep up on production.

Infestors sound pretty imba to me.

On September 15 2011 07:01 Nancial wrote:
What's the big fuckin deal ?
Counter colossus with corrupters instead of infestors now.
Counter tank play by ultralisks now.

On September 15 2011 07:10 Whitewing wrote:


Marines and stalkers most certainly do not counter everything.

On September 15 2011 07:08 Jermstuddog wrote:
You've never heard of 7-gate +2 Blink Stalker pushes?

Or considered the fact that Protoss will go to the strategy completely blind?

Sounds like a pretty damn good unit to me.

I'm not calling them imba, they are expensive as shit for what they do.

But as a unit, they're pretty damn good.

On September 15 2011 07:04 Jermstuddog wrote:


Just stirring the pot

I only decided to quit today, so I'll have to be changing my habits over the next few days.

@Toadvine

I didn't start the Colossus ranting, it was a response to somebody trying to claim NP is OP because you can control Colossi.

NP allows a very expensive unit to take control of a single unit for 15 whole in-game seconds at the cost of 100 energy.

It's one of those spells that are so severely limited, I have to question how anybody can call it OP when the entire OPness of the spell relies upon YOU getting OP bullshit in the first place.

On September 15 2011 07:11 Toadvine wrote:


That's not really Stalkers being good, it's more like Zerg being shit and not having any core units with good range. They're pretty horrible against Terran. In fact, a lot of PvT is about making as few Stalkers as possible.

Oh well, it doesn't really matter since 7 gate Blink loses terribly to Ling/Infestor.

On September 15 2011 07:13 Madkipz wrote:
Just make zealots and attack before the infestors come out.

On September 15 2011 06:13 Jermstuddog wrote:
I gave up SC2 yesterday due to the incoming NP nerf.

Went and picked up Space Marine after work on Monday and I'll just keep playing whatever new game comes out.

I wish I could say the past year of SC2 was good... but honestly it was all in hopes that SC2 WOULD be good soon...

The fact that the NP change is even on the PTR blatantly shows that Blizzard has no clue what they're doing with Zerg, so I'll just give it up now... Zerg isn't going to get better.

I won't say I don't have time to play a broken game. I have, and will continue to play games that have obvious balance issues. But I don't need to stick to one aging RTS game that the developers are taking in the wrong direction.

I'll look back in a few months, and in that time I hope Blizzard can figure out what they want to do with the game. Otherwise, I'll probably come back for a few weeks at the upcoming expansions then move on.

On September 15 2011 07:03 AIRwar wrote:
Lol, i love all the kids that started playing zerg just because the infestor got popular, and now they're crying cause of a nerf. If you seriously think zerg is "broken" or whatever without NP, you shouldn't be playing this game. If you can't actually think of another way to play, this isn't the game for you.

On September 15 2011 07:04 Jermstuddog wrote:


Just stirring the pot

I only decided to quit today, so I'll have to be changing my habits over the next few days.

@Toadvine

I didn't start the Colossus ranting, it was a response to somebody trying to claim NP is OP because you can control Colossi.

NP allows a very expensive unit to take control of a single unit for 15 whole in-game seconds at the cost of 100 energy.


It's one of those spells that are so severely limited, I have to question how anybody can call it OP when the entire OPness of the spell relies upon YOU getting OP bullshit in the first place.