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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne

There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
September 09 2011 18:22 GMT
#6681
Is it me or is Bnet kind of broken? Maybe it's the patch going through?

Everytime I try to login, it says that it can't connect to bnet. It's definitively not my internet since I can post here and watch GSL just fine.

johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
September 09 2011 18:22 GMT
#6682
Neural parasite not affecting massive units? Hmm...I mean I understand why this is being tested, but I have a bad feeling. Neural parasite is almost only useful FOR massive units (exceptions einbeing Immortals, Siege Tanks, Spellcasters, and a few others). This also makes the "Deathball" for Protoss that much stronger due to not being able to NP colossi. On the other hand, neural parasiting thors, battlectruisers, carriers, etc can be very strong due to NP range and not being able to take out the infestor, and having to sit around while your army is being attacked by your army. So I'm not sure how I feel about this. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this pans out in gameplay.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
September 09 2011 18:23 GMT
#6683
On September 10 2011 02:46 Treble557 wrote:
http://sv.twitch.tv/colcatz/b/294620992 1:16 in for destiny/catz/kyles/reignfayths opinions on the NP changes.

Lotta very good points are raised.

Catz's mic is a bit super loud tho so.. Yeah. Be warned, lol.


I'm sorry, but destiny even being grandmaster is testiment to infestors being overpowered. Make this guy play _any_ other zerg playstyle and he's terrible. He has quit his job to stream, and his level of play is centered around his one-trick-pony playstyle, so he has everything to lose and he's biased as hell.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
September 09 2011 18:25 GMT
#6684
YES! this allows for so much earlier defense from infestor timings TvZ. Regardless of muta or infestor tech, thors can actually do something before ghosts are out! This is a great change, and I think it will have repercussions in zvp too
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
September 09 2011 18:25 GMT
#6685
On September 10 2011 03:18 ppdealer wrote:
The Infestor change is absolutely retarded. They should've just buffed High Templar, since Protosses are having trouble against Ghost anyway.


This. Neural really isn't the problem. It's the fact that HT's are the slowest caster and extremely vulnerable. Plus they can't cloak or burrow.

It seems like all blizz wants is for toss to go colossus every game =/
chip789
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada199 Posts
September 09 2011 18:25 GMT
#6686
Well thanks for pointing out that zerg is useless without infestors, so lets nerf them!
Dude....I love Starcraft.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 09 2011 18:27 GMT
#6687
its an awful change because it made the matchup less fragile again.

All the infestor play made the matchup on both sides more micro intensive and fragile.

zerg:
infestor micro - infestors are fragile as shit (like they should be) positioning and when/how to engage was crucial in success.

protoss:
they had to be more aware of when to engage. P couldn't A-Move anymore, they had to scout ahead, templar, blink micro, move collosi out, phx lifting infestors etc. etc.


With this change they revereted the ZvP meta game back 6 months. It's going to be P deathball a-moving around while Z guesses how many corrupters to really make without them being useless. It's boring. Part of the reason BW was great was because so much shit was overpowered so if you messed up at any point you could lose. Micro, positioning and the overall skill involved in ZvP/PvZ was just hit with a bat, fucking ridiculous.
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dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1438 Posts
September 09 2011 18:28 GMT
#6688
Massive units are really the only thing worth NP. So.... Unless you are going to pull a cute NP a ghost/HT to use EMP on the other ghosts or storm stuff it's useless.

But you don't even need ghosts anymore because infestors are so gimped. You don't even need HT because you can just collo deathball again.


-random
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ma70
Profile Joined October 2010
253 Posts
September 09 2011 18:29 GMT
#6689
Wow...so many complaints over the neutral parasite change. Infestors have two other spells that are pretty great too.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
September 09 2011 18:30 GMT
#6690
give infestor their NP as is, just give protoss dark archon with maelstrom and mind control
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IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 18:31:40
September 09 2011 18:31 GMT
#6691
I wonder if we'll see more Carrier play PvZ now that they cant be neuralled...
IreScath
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
September 09 2011 18:31 GMT
#6692
On September 10 2011 03:25 Badfatpanda wrote:
YES! this allows for so much earlier defense from infestor timings TvZ. Regardless of muta or infestor tech, thors can actually do something before ghosts are out! This is a great change, and I think it will have repercussions in zvp too

I dont understand your post, what infestor timing relied on NP?
unless your talking about the FG damage change, but that doesn't seem to make sense in your context.
I'm better today than I was yesterday!
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
September 09 2011 18:32 GMT
#6693
"Fixed an issue where Broodlords on the high ground would not be revealed when attacking enemy units on the low ground."

I haven't read all the pages since the patch updates were released. Has this been discussed? While small, I have had problems with this, on Shakuras, for instance. Another slight buff for toss and terran (albeit a small one).
Mercurial#1193
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
September 09 2011 18:32 GMT
#6694
as a toss player, i very much dislike the neural parasite change. the only unit that maybe should be immune to NP aside from the ultra is the mothership. i think terran and toss have more than enough to counter infestors trying to NP their army.

i think this kind of a backwards change, anyway. i'd rather see massive units immune to fungal's root than i want to see massive units immune to NP, but i don't think i want to see either of those changes atm.

-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 09 2011 18:34 GMT
#6695
On September 10 2011 02:52 Cyrak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2011 02:46 Treble557 wrote:
http://sv.twitch.tv/colcatz/b/294620992 1:16 in for destiny/catz/kyles/reignfayths opinions on the NP changes.

Lotta very good points are raised.

Catz's mic is a bit super loud tho so.. Yeah. Be warned, lol.


There is this implicit argument here that as long as a unit has a counter it should be allowed to be awesome against everything.

I've watched too much of Morrow's play to have any sort of respect for the arguments these guys are making.

edit: God help us when they balance the game on the advice of people who are financially motivated to have an imbalanced game.

Yes, Destiny and Catz won 5 GSL, 6 MLGs anda random Dreamhack here and there by using "imba" infestors and "imba" neural parasite....
Please if you don't have anything smart to say, don't say anything at all. You post is just insulting those people.
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
September 09 2011 18:35 GMT
#6696
On September 10 2011 03:23 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2011 02:46 Treble557 wrote:
http://sv.twitch.tv/colcatz/b/294620992 1:16 in for destiny/catz/kyles/reignfayths opinions on the NP changes.

Lotta very good points are raised.

Catz's mic is a bit super loud tho so.. Yeah. Be warned, lol.


I'm sorry, but destiny even being grandmaster is testiment to infestors being overpowered. Make this guy play _any_ other zerg playstyle and he's terrible. He has quit his job to stream, and his level of play is centered around his one-trick-pony playstyle, so he has everything to lose and he's biased as hell.

I don't see it as a question of whether or not the Infestor is an imbalanced unit so much as what is the point of Neural Parasite if it can't be used on units worth being used on. Anyone can comment on that, so why not a TL featured streamer?
Who dat ninja?
transience
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium74 Posts
September 09 2011 18:36 GMT
#6697
It's interesting to note that in many respects, Infestors are now weaker than before the original buff.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 09 2011 18:36 GMT
#6698
On September 10 2011 03:31 B00ts wrote:
I wonder if we'll see more Carrier play PvZ now that they cant be neuralled...

Not using carriers has nothing to do with NP. Carriers were not used because at least for this one unit Corrupter was good at its job.
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
September 09 2011 18:36 GMT
#6699
On September 10 2011 02:40 Rinnegan5 wrote:
The thing that I dont get is that NP wasnt even a point of discussion in every interview I watched from players and web shows...it never was! Fungal was yeah...Ghosts were talked about ALOT!

How much did people talk about flux vanes when they were removed? Try none. Are you upset that it was removed? I bet not... its called foresight on the part of blizzard. Neural parasite pretty much nullified these expensive units. If they went infestor (which they ALL do now) you couldnt go thor or colossus at all. Im glad that the unit that is ridiculously strong against twilight tech/stargate tech/robo tech is now a little bit weaker against twilight and robo tech. Versus terran siege tanks were always a better NP target anyways.

Didnt you say you were quitting sc2 a few pages back too? I wish you would just follow through with that. Based on how you wrote your "I quit" post I dont think you could possibly be competitive in anything in life, let alone a game like starcraft. Seriously... if you can't figure out how to win with zerg YOU are doing something wrong... you don't lack any tools, you lack skill.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 09 2011 18:37 GMT
#6700
On September 10 2011 03:36 transience wrote:
It's interesting to note that in many respects, Infestors are now weaker than before the original buff.

That is true. They lost movespeed, and this huge nerf to NP. I would also like to see them returned to the state before FG buff
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