EPTInfestor’s Neural Parasite can no longer target Massive units.
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Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 283
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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tomnov
Israel148 Posts
WTF?? User was warned for this post | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:25 Serpico wrote: The sense is giving you more incentive to buy HOTS I guess, I dont really know. They call the corruptor boring and not fun, but force you to use it. I agree with those sentiments. I dont really get the whole "boring and not fun unit" thing. Its an RTS? Either way, the infestor was becoming the one and only one unit zerg needed particularly in ZvP. Big units could be neuraled and small units fungaled. There ya go, a shut down protoss. They clearly want corruptors to be the proper response to colossus rather than more infestors. Besides whats so boring about corruptors? They even have a spell dammit! Thats more than I can say about a lot of units. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:13 Zelniq wrote: Rest assured, this change will never get past PTR. Because we can all sleep soundly with the knowledge that Blizzard has never made a poor balance or design decision. I mean it's not like they just proposed that Neural no longer works on Massive units without any other changes. No. I don't prefer a 2-food unit to counter a 6- or even an 8-food unit. If protoss gets f'ed up with KA, then we need something in return. NP is fine. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:29 Licmyobelisk wrote: is it me or the game is getting boring ? Not just you, but that's a topic for another thread. | ||
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mistermetal
Canada76 Posts
then the zerg cant NP Colossus / Sentry / Probe | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:30 darkness wrote: No. I don't prefer a 2-food unit to counter a 6- or even an 8-food unit. If protoss gets f'ed up with KA, then we need something return. NP is fine. Honestly I thought a change to infested terran was a bit more needed than NP but I am sure Blizzard considered that and found that this was the best way for zergs to be forced to consider protoss unit comp. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6214 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:31 mistermetal wrote: Simple fix if they just want to fix toss, dont let NP work on mechanical units without a pilot / air units. then the zerg cant NP Colossus / Sentry / Probe I've actually always thought it stupid that NP worked on my colossi, for that exact reason. But I still hope they come to their senses and revert this in favour of something else. | ||
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Serpico
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On September 09 2011 16:28 Medrea wrote: I dont really get the whole "boring and not fun unit" thing. Its an RTS? Either way, the infestor was becoming the one and only one unit zerg needed particularly in ZvP. Big units could be neuraled and small units fungaled. There ya go, a shut down protoss. They clearly want corruptors to be the proper response to colossus rather than more infestors. Besides whats so boring about corruptors? They even have a spell dammit! Thats more than I can say about a lot of units. They're slow with a short range and are completely uninteresting like the overseer. | ||
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Medrea
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On September 09 2011 16:31 mistermetal wrote: Simple fix if they just want to fix toss, dont let NP work on mechanical units without a pilot / air units. then the zerg cant NP Colossus / Sentry / Probe Thats a little tricky to think about. The flag list at the bottom of every unit doesnt denote a pilot or anything like that. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
Also not nping massive units is pretty silly in zvp, Cant even get archons now? Good protoss are already using blink stalkers and clever positioning to kill infestors or they micro their collosus to target infestors. They are armored afterall and pretty squishy. Neural in zvt was pretty cool as well because its was a way to kill thor/mech heavy armys without committing to broodlords. Now there will be less options available in the late game. Ghosts are already strong enough to fight with infestors so its not like there was a problem there. | ||
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
Rest assured, this change will never get past PTR. Because we can all sleep soundly with the knowledge that Blizzard has never made a poor balance or design decision. I mean it's not like they just proposed that Neural no longer works on Massive units without any other changes. Yeah my brain also tells me that this change won't go through. Still seeing ridiculous suggestions like this always scares me. Zerg needs the versatility the infestor provides just because the race as of right now is incomplete. It's not balanced in an ideal sense, but for the time being it is balanced. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:33 Serpico wrote: They're slow with a short range and are completely uninteresting like the overseer. Goodness me. I can apply that sentence to like over half the units in the game! | ||
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Salteador Neo
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:21 Zelniq wrote: yes to be fair they're still going to always be useful vs void rays, situationally vs phoenixes/vikings/tanks/spellcasters. of course most of these units can kind of defend themselves vs infestors: ghosts, high templar, siege tanks, phoenixes, and to a lesser extent other infestors. even for cheap units, it's a good way to pull off a BM maneuver! Indeed. Until they nerf my "neural parasite > /dance command > opponent rages and makes a mistake" strategy I can't complain. | ||
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Hikari
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I wonder how blizzard will respond to the high number of terrans in GSL - I suspect there will be more changes other than BFH nerf. tbh there are more things for toss to worry about other than NP on colossi, other tools such as baneling carpet bombs then running in roaches to snipe colossi and corruptors are still viable. The infestor ling-baneling style is going to take a pretty big hit in ZvP. I have no problem of having to get corruptors vs colossi: the corruptors aren't waste/just sitting there: some day they will become a broodlord. | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:18 koji150 wrote: I think this would be a fair trade but Colossi are counted as air so they would be on the non-NP list. However that would allow Thors and Archons, which would help keep the PvZ balance while not making TvZ overpowered. No, Colossi har considered a ground unit but can be hit by air units. What is important to remember here is that NP also get a small buff in this patch. It could actually be considered a bug fix - but you will benefit from all the upgrades from the NP unit. This may be a reason why Blizzard changed the NP for massive units in this PTR. Often a Protoss (or Terran) would have a lot of attack upgrades to make the Colossus stronger. Without this change zergs would benefit from a +3 attack from the Colossus. Personally I think this may be a bit drastical, but I understand how Blizzard thinks about it. I would still prefer it to only be changed on massive air units, especially now that they also benefit from the attack upgrades. | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
Forget that infestors have insane dps and that neural parasite could control our only cost effective units in the game for the duration of the fight. Just the fact that my units are clumped up and not in a concave make the unit silly. I was actually afraid that this patch was a huge buff for zerg against toss because of the upgrades fix for neural parasite. That would completely break PvZ as it would almost give you an incentive not to get upgrades as protoss.... | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:34 Medrea wrote: Goodness me. I can apply that sentence to like over half the units in the game! and yet blizzard is only talking about changing those two in regards to being boring, goodness me! | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
Does this mean if I plant my Spine in the wrong spot, I have to wait the full 12 seconds before being able to reposition? | ||
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