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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne
There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 |
On August 25 2011 17:21 _Search_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 17:18 Elefanto wrote:
It's hilarious how people complain about the Warpprism getting buffed, because they fear that protoss will be able to harass and they have to pay attention on the minimap and start multitasking.
When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units. When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more. This Warp Prism buff is far too good.
With terran, you get far more dps (and ranged dps even!). You also spent less on your units. And your units are probably going to get out of there alive, unlike protoss drops.
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A big issue with Terran is the EMP spell. A good change might be to buff the damage to 150 shields and energy drained (up from 100), but make it that it goes through over the course of 4 seconds, like storm does. That way the Protoss has the *option* to move out of the way, kinda what Terran does, and if not they get punished by it.
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On August 26 2011 03:08 ensign_lee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 17:21 _Search_ wrote:On August 25 2011 17:18 Elefanto wrote:
It's hilarious how people complain about the Warpprism getting buffed, because they fear that protoss will be able to harass and they have to pay attention on the minimap and start multitasking.
When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units. When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more. This Warp Prism buff is far too good. With terran, you get far more dps (and ranged dps even!). You also spent less on your units. And your units are probably going to get out of there alive, unlike protoss drops.
Two vikings is all thats needed pretty much. It just gives us a chance to harrass which Terran has been able to do for a long time, except when we warp in we're basically expecting them to die
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Can only judge ghost v templar again after a while, the WP buff should help a bunch in that little war too.
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On August 26 2011 03:11 Ozrak wrote:
A big issue with Terran is the EMP spell. A good change might be to buff the damage to 150 shields and energy drained (up from 100), but make it that it goes through over the course of 4 seconds, like storm does. That way the Protoss has the *option* to move out of the way, kinda what Terran does, and if not they get punished by it.
I wish EMP was less important. I would rather Protoss AND Terran have more breathing room. If you don't hit the perfect EMP's you die, but if you do Protoss dies. I think that's pretty crappy.
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On August 25 2011 10:18 PanN wrote:
Contaminate cost is just a bad change imo, its underused, but maybe the overseer cost reduction will see more overall contaminates?
I thought this was weird too, but then I thought about it and I think it has to do with the cost of the overseer being reduced. They probably discovered some contaminate abuse while testing overseers with the new low cost.
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Let the warp prism buff happen, protoss want a less riskier drop cause they can't imagine a circumstance where a medivac drop has been shut down. Medivacs could have 10 health and drops would still happen, health isnt the issue its about them not seeing it coming is what makes it effective. Not that many drops actually make it out, 1 warp prism with 4 zealots is 600 minerals vs 400 minerals 100 gas for terran. Sorry you have no minerals all game and are loaded with endless amounts of gas.
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On August 26 2011 02:57 hli wrote:
Unbelievable. Double proxy gate in base will now rape terran. Even if they do the single proxy gate into stalkers cheese, it'll be so damn strong. Do not understand the barracks increased build time.
I could live with hellion nerf, just can't believe how easy it is to get something nerfed. SlayerS uses their little build like twice, and all zergs go nuts, and now we have a nerfed unit. I don't even remember the last time I saw the slayers timing push work...
And now, not only will infestors still kill marines and workers in 2 fungals as well as keeping the root ability, they now deal 10 more damage to tanks with each fungal. Soounndddsss fair.
Overall glad they changed toss though.
Wall it off Slayers_Dragon style with barracks/depot/bunker. Proceed to instant win. Congrats on your free ladder points. A single proxy gate loses to wall off + repair + 3 rax scv all in.
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On August 26 2011 03:14 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 02:57 hli wrote:
Unbelievable. Double proxy gate in base will now rape terran. Even if they do the single proxy gate into stalkers cheese, it'll be so damn strong. Do not understand the barracks increased build time.
I could live with hellion nerf, just can't believe how easy it is to get something nerfed. SlayerS uses their little build like twice, and all zergs go nuts, and now we have a nerfed unit. I don't even remember the last time I saw the slayers timing push work...
And now, not only will infestors still kill marines and workers in 2 fungals as well as keeping the root ability, they now deal 10 more damage to tanks with each fungal. Soounndddsss fair.
Overall glad they changed toss though. Wall it off Slayers_Dragon style with barracks/depot/bunker. Proceed to instant win. Congrats on your free ladder points.
Try that with someone who is not completely braindead and actually choses good positions on his gateways , good luck with that.
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On August 26 2011 03:15 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 03:14 Heavenly wrote:On August 26 2011 02:57 hli wrote:
Unbelievable. Double proxy gate in base will now rape terran. Even if they do the single proxy gate into stalkers cheese, it'll be so damn strong. Do not understand the barracks increased build time.
I could live with hellion nerf, just can't believe how easy it is to get something nerfed. SlayerS uses their little build like twice, and all zergs go nuts, and now we have a nerfed unit. I don't even remember the last time I saw the slayers timing push work...
And now, not only will infestors still kill marines and workers in 2 fungals as well as keeping the root ability, they now deal 10 more damage to tanks with each fungal. Soounndddsss fair.
Overall glad they changed toss though. Wall it off Slayers_Dragon style with barracks/depot/bunker. Proceed to instant win. Congrats on your free ladder points. Try that with someone who is not completely braindead and actually choses good positions on his gateways , good luck with that.
In what way would they reposition their gateways, out of curiosity.
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Stupid patch for all Terrans..
why the +5 on Rax? and why not making the helion 30% less dmg vs worker instead of nerfing the whole dmg, now lings kill them easy.
Nobody uses ravens anyways
and imba protoss gets buffed over and over, i rly hope this isnt going live.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Warp prizm can drop photons, gates, stargates, DT shrine and power up those buildings.
And for 200 minerals you can get mobile Pylon, where you can warp DT, stalkers, zealots, etc
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wow nerf terran more blizzard
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Stupid patch for all Terrans..
why the +5 on Rax? and why not making the helion 30% less dmg vs worker instead of nerfing the whole dmg, now lings kill them easy.
Nobody uses ravens anyways
and imba protoss gets buffed over and over, i rly hope this isnt going live.
I could not AGREE MORE.
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Dominican Republic15 Posts
On August 26 2011 03:21 fantasysan wrote:
Stupid patch for all Terrans..
why the +5 on Rax? and why not making the helion 30% less dmg vs worker instead of nerfing the whole dmg, now lings kill them easy.
Nobody uses ravens anyways
and imba protoss gets buffed over and over, i rly hope this isnt going live.
just out of curiosity i what league do u play? if u play...
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I would want to see them make up for the Pre -Igniter nerf with something like:
+2(+3 vs light) So that they would do 10 damage to units that aren't light with the upgrade.
Seems more fair ^^.
Don't get the +5 on the rax really but no biggie i guess.
Seeker missile buff seems nice, it was needed.
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On August 26 2011 03:24 brembo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 03:21 fantasysan wrote:
Stupid patch for all Terrans..
why the +5 on Rax? and why not making the helion 30% less dmg vs worker instead of nerfing the whole dmg, now lings kill them easy.
Nobody uses ravens anyways
and imba protoss gets buffed over and over, i rly hope this isnt going live. just out of curiosity i what league do u play? if u play...
Diamond but i really cant understand it..
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just out of curiosity i what league do u play? if u play...
that shouldnt matter in the least, furthermore what he's saying is true:
ravens still arent viable.
+5 rax does matter (a lot).
protoss did get heavily buffed.
so... what is your point?
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As being a terran, kinda a bias one of the kind, i both love and dislike some of the changes in this patch.
The HSM change is really really really awesome! :D. The hellion nerf seems a little big, but it will nerf the bfh drops, and that i love!!
Also, the new changes to the other races looks awesome. More speshul taktiks with the warp prism buff, hopefully more Sickness play ^^
The immortal is now even more awesome.
I didnt really have problem with infestors as T since that marines are so cheap and ghosts are so awesome, but i see that the nerf will help somewhat in pvz.
Also,
Issuing new orders to charging zealots will cause them to lose the charge buff, imo, this change is pretty huge against bio and a nerf to zealot archon since not all toss' can multitask that much 
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On August 25 2011 17:21 _Search_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2011 17:18 Elefanto wrote:
It's hilarious how people complain about the Warpprism getting buffed, because they fear that protoss will be able to harass and they have to pay attention on the minimap and start multitasking.
When Terran drops we drop 360-500 hp worth of units. When Protoss drops they drop 600 hp worth of units and immediately warp in more. This Warp Prism buff is far too good.
With terran, your units are healed ..
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