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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On August 25 2011 21:43 Eufouria wrote: I'm going into this with an open mind, but it looks to be a hard patch for Terrans. It was to be expected with terran performing so well in GSL. Luckily none of the core units/strats were nerfed, just some of the cutesy stuff that was getting out of hand. | ||
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Philosophy
186 Posts
On August 25 2011 21:43 darkness wrote: Nope. Fungal ignores armor as far as I know. Spells (snipe, fungal, EMP etc) aren't affected by armor. | ||
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jdsowa
405 Posts
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
Ha. This is a pretty flailing patch, actually. General Reaction I remember watching some pro matches a few weeks ago with my brother, and we were seeing a lot of helion plays getting used. It was crazy! I leaned over and said, "Damn. Helions are going to get nerfed soon ..." + Show Spoiler [terran Pro eyes only] + When you come up with new plays, can you at least purposefully throw a few games so the whole world doesn't immediately cry imba? Seriously. It's to the point now where Terran plays are literally nerfed weeks after their latest tournament displays. Tarawn I really never expected to see another Terran buff, but the HSM is actually really interesting. We'll have to see what happens. It's a weird spell right now in that it is really strong, but never used, because it never works. So now that it will work in some cases, and is still strong, people might build more Ravens! The barracks got nerfed again, which is lol, but at least it's not a major nerf. It slows down every Terran build in the game, but not by much. I think this is basically an anti-2rax vs. Zerg nerf. Operg I'm glad blizzard has realized something needs to change about the Infestor. Let's see if this sticks. My money is that this nerf is actually changed into a buff by the time it goes live. I got $5 on the table for anyone who wants to take that bet ;P Prawdhuss Naturally I abhor the idea of making Prawdhuss stronger, but I think the Immortal change is actually pretty good. It's an expensive unit, and pretty critical in holding some of Terran's early game timings. The Blink timing might help defend the very powerful Blink rushes. | ||
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Lexpar
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BamBam
745 Posts
On August 25 2011 21:43 Zorkmid wrote: I agree, ZvZ will no longer be (after 7 or 8 mins) Roaches/Infestors/Broods or Muta. Since Infestors wont counter Mutas as well, we might see some Hydras being made! How many fungals will it take to kill roaches now ? This wont change ZvZ at all. Fact is, infestor is perfect for forming your own concave around your opponent's roaches. Without infestors of your own to counter that, then you will get steamrolled. Not because of the damage of fungal, but because you will be in a much worse position then your opponent. Also... I have yet to see someone go ling/bane against roach, never mind the infestor. So the point about fungal there is moot. As for Mutas, it took about 4 fungals to kill off a group. Now it will be 5. Or 4 fungals and 3 infested terrans to one shot a bunch of mutas. | ||
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danielzig
32 Posts
Blizz have mentioned that the balance concerns are only at the highest levels right now. The others are all within their acceptable range (45-55). I think they risk messing up that balance (at lower levels) if they keep balancing for the higher levels, but I guess it's a wait-and-see kind of thing. Oh well, if they keep nerfing terran I'll just switch to another race. | ||
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
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flyguy
United States45 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On August 25 2011 21:51 danielzig wrote: I think they risk messing up that balance (at lower levels) if they keep balancing for the higher levels, but I guess it's a wait-and-see kind of thing. Oh well, if they keep nerfing terran I'll just switch to another race. Doubt it. To lower level players something like a 5-10% reduction in infestor DPS or immortal range increase won't change anything as there's such huge flaws in their game that far far far outweigh something so comparatively minor. | ||
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nooboon
2602 Posts
The immortal:change was nice since but i would still prefer double damage for two barrels. Blink research: increase might have been mostly to due with the immortal. Blizzard probably wants more people to use the immortal thus range increase and blink nerf. Warp Prism: *Fist pump* No longer a glass ship. (Not as much) Terran Hellion: (i actually thought it said damage increased to 10 from 5) In response to the recent blue flame surge. Raven: I CALLED IT. I'm excepting more raven play with the speed upgrade, mostly versus zerg roach/hydra play and toss death balls. Zerg Overseer: Helping with zerg detection with price reduction but also increasing the cost of contaminate to prevent spamming opponent production. Really like this buff/nerf. Ultralisk: Makes sense considering what the ultralisk is.....now if only they can increase its mental capacity. Over all I like this patch as it gives some units some love, although the hellion nerf (and the infestor damage change)will be interesting to see :/ | ||
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kuroshiro
United Kingdom378 Posts
I guess this not only affects Blink-ups in PvP, but random early pokes by terran in TvP. Still miss the old BW high ground advantage though  | ||
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Strike_
Netherlands704 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
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Loodah
335 Posts
Disappointed in the patch Fungal needed a bigger nerf, and neural now takes into account upgrades which makes infestors much stronger, despite the fact that people think it's a big nerf. I wish they nerfed the 1/1/1 .... but at least now guardian shield WORKS AGAINST TANK SHOTS !!!! Also, immortals can shoot from farther so maybe a bit easier? Still the fundamental idea of trying to run through marines with an immortal is pretty silly. | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
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danielzig
32 Posts
Doubt it. To lower level players something like a 5-10% reduction in infestor DPS or immortal range increase won't change anything as there's such huge flaws in their game that far far far outweigh something so comparatively minor. Yeah... good point, there are definately serious flaws in my game and the people I play with, which probably outweigh any balance concerns. It's just irritating to lose something every patch, just as a general principle... it's one of the drawbacks of playing a game casually which is primarly an esport- I'm sure if they were balancing for the lower-skilled players they wouldn't inflict these barrage of nerfs on one race, just because of the demoralizing affect it has.. I honestly wish they'd make two versions of the game, one for "serious" players and one for the less serious to play - I think it would work out better. | ||
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