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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne

There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
August 25 2011 12:11 GMT
#2421
I don't like the contamination cost increase , at least from the ZvZ perspective. I feel like it would eliminate possibilities for timing pushes as ways to come back. ZvZ would be even more boring than it is right now.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 12:13:07
August 25 2011 12:12 GMT
#2422
EDIT: Wrong thread.
1.4 is going to be awesome
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
n00b3rt
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria890 Posts
August 25 2011 12:14 GMT
#2423
White-Ra is celebrating right now :D
Yeah, whatever
Ramble
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden877 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 12:14:31
August 25 2011 12:14 GMT
#2424
.
kvmetternich
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy35 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 12:15:41
August 25 2011 12:15 GMT
#2425
On August 25 2011 21:01 Neino wrote:
It's like Blizzard is watching my games, I was experimenting with 2immortal + prism speed harass vs zerg, while taking a third behind it, It works out really well, just quite apm intensive, and now both of them are buffed :p


Yeah, im trying this too!

Unfortunatelly this make the "protoss air force" a little more useless in PvZ like other M.U.

Hope blizzard try to do something in future patch for the stargate tech path, cause we never see (except some special tactics from white ra) pros makes carriers or an army comp with this nice unit.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
August 25 2011 12:15 GMT
#2426
"Repeated control group and selection commands will no longer count as unique actions for APM calculation purposes."
Wait a second, not like I care too much about apm, but shouldn't they have finally adjusted the APM to the fastest gamespeed first? XD
Anyway, expect all those 500 apm people to drop 300 of em, lol.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2073 Posts
August 25 2011 12:16 GMT
#2427
The infestor nerf is such a big nerf.... its like 10 dmg less for 1 fungal.... this would affect ZvP damn a lot... but the overseer cost buff should've been done since the start of sc2.... its so exp just to hunt the dts and yet it dies so easily....
Oppa feeding style
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
August 25 2011 12:16 GMT
#2428
On August 25 2011 21:11 TwilightRain wrote:
I don't like the contamination cost increase , at least from the ZvZ perspective. I feel like it would eliminate possibilities for timing pushes as ways to come back. ZvZ would be even more boring than it is right now.


Don't know if you saw it, but they also reduced the cost of the overseer, so a change to contaminate was almost necessary because they were now so cheap, if anything you might see contaminate more often, but once the overseers are dead it will be harder to do it again in quick succession.
The Touch
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom667 Posts
August 25 2011 12:16 GMT
#2429
Will 5 seconds on the rax build time really change anything?
You Got The Touch
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
August 25 2011 12:17 GMT
#2430

Sentry Guardian Shield now correctly reduces damage from Hellion, Void ray, and Colossus attacks as well as the Siege Tank’s sieged attack.


Omg yes. Warpprism buff too I must be dreaming
Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
August 25 2011 12:17 GMT
#2431
On August 25 2011 20:59 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 20:57 jhNz wrote:
from a protoss point of view i love those changes. especially the shield buff for warp prisms will have a huge impact i believe

Yep they're almost as beefy as an ovie now (just lacking 1 armor) but way zippier, especially if you get the speed upgrade. Immortal/zealot drops/zealot warpins will be a genuine threat now I think.

Protoss need it. Basically slowing Zerg is all ins today and we all know what happens if you leave zerg alone. Terran has plenty of options but most Protoss' were nerfed out... VR WG, etc.
MC for president
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 25 2011 12:18 GMT
#2432
I like this overall, but blue flame nerf seems too much.
They should either decrease blue flame cost or let the blue flame upgrade also make more dmg against non-light units (like +5 vs light, +2 vs all other).
Off-season = best season
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 25 2011 12:19 GMT
#2433
On August 25 2011 21:17 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 20:59 Yaotzin wrote:
On August 25 2011 20:57 jhNz wrote:
from a protoss point of view i love those changes. especially the shield buff for warp prisms will have a huge impact i believe

Yep they're almost as beefy as an ovie now (just lacking 1 armor) but way zippier, especially if you get the speed upgrade. Immortal/zealot drops/zealot warpins will be a genuine threat now I think.

Protoss need it. Basically slowing Zerg is all ins today and we all know what happens if you leave zerg alone. Terran has plenty of options but most Protoss' were nerfed out... VR WG, etc.

Yep I'm fine with it. I'd rather the threat to Zerg be from cool microd drops than from boring allins after all.
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2270 Posts
August 25 2011 12:19 GMT
#2434
Hmm... I dont like the infestor nerf, now that Zerg FINALLY could do something against the deathball, infestors get nerfed -.-
Really like the Hellion and the Warp Prism changes, but why dont they buff Hydras? Theyre just SO bad, noone uses them except vs air.
Ultra buff was needed, all in all i like the patch, but they should prolly make Infestors a bit stronger as they are intended to be after this patch.
Cogito, ergo Toss
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 12:22:44
August 25 2011 12:19 GMT
#2435
On August 25 2011 20:59 iNbluE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 20:52 Zax19 wrote:
On August 25 2011 20:49 Bagi wrote:
On August 25 2011 20:47 Zax19 wrote:
The ramp change seems ok, immortal buff would be ok if they nerfed colossus at the same time. The rest is either wrong or not enough/badly calculated...I'm scared of what will HotS bring .

Its funny you say this right after ppl like Morrow have made positive comments on the patch notes.

Some people will always whine without a real understanding of the game I guess.

Proving anyone wrong changes nothing about the truth and I'm sick and tired of explaining what's wrong every time .


You know better than the pros right? Because you're so much better than everybody? This kind of comments make me feel ill.

The progaming mentality is "don't try to fix the game, fix your play". Well, it IS a game, if it's broken it should be changed. Yet I feel like we're still in beta. There are just too many things in need of change.
PS: I should stop writing because:
If you talk about imbalance or make balance suggestions, you will be BANNED. We're not here to change the game - that's Blizzard's job (or take it to SC2 General if you must). We're here to do the best with what we have.

I just don't share that mentality as long as the game stays broken... But I'm not going to flame about it, that’s why I don’t talk specifics, it provokes people. I do understand the rule protects the forum.
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Shootist
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore405 Posts
August 25 2011 12:19 GMT
#2436
On August 25 2011 21:16 The Touch wrote:
Will 5 seconds on the rax build time really change anything?

Slightly more time for zergs to pressure in 2 rax pressure builds (esp if they are proxied) perhaps?
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
August 25 2011 12:20 GMT
#2437
Wasn't sure if the changes were enough for Protoss, although with the fungal nerf pvz might be balanced again. However pvt is still going to be pretty damn terran favoured, this doesn't fix much about that.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
wolnewitz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6 Posts
August 25 2011 12:20 GMT
#2438
i might actually go on the ptr for the first time to play this patch im so excited. Toss player obv
mules are gay
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
August 25 2011 12:21 GMT
#2439
On August 25 2011 21:16 weiliem wrote:
The infestor nerf is such a big nerf.... its like 10 dmg less for 1 fungal.... this would affect ZvP damn a lot... but the overseer cost buff should've been done since the start of sc2.... its so exp just to hunt the dts and yet it dies so easily....

It's 6 and 8 not 10. And not really. You still have chain. Still have bane drops on a static force. Still ave surrounds by real damage dealers. Basically won't change it at all. They just threw T&P a bone so we shut up.
MC for president
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
August 25 2011 12:21 GMT
#2440
On August 25 2011 21:16 weiliem wrote:
The infestor nerf is such a big nerf.... its like 10 dmg less for 1 fungal.... this would affect ZvP damn a lot... but the overseer cost buff should've been done since the start of sc2.... its so exp just to hunt the dts and yet it dies so easily....


6 dmg... 36 - 30 = 6
vs. armored
46 - 40 = 6

1 2 3 4 5 6...6 damage HAHAHA

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