Lol wow servers can't handle a lot of ppl int he same area at one? It also doesn't hurt that the guy isn't half bad looking, in shape, and could write a small script conveying his side to slow music.
Idk about the topic as a whole, since the words spoken in this video really threw me off. Rather blizzard give a slap on the wrist instead of permbanning head community figures. Or at least discuss it for a second.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
Why are you so angry?
Freakin relax..
Oh, I'm sorry if my harsh language hurt your virgin eyes. You must not be used to profanity. I apologize =(
Would it be more palatable if I called him a meanie no-good bad person doodie-head? He's a dipshit and a con artist, that's all there is to it. It doesn't mean I think he should be dragged in front of a firing squad, but I'm not going to rend my hair if he has to take some of his ill-gotten gains and spend them on a second copy of Cataclysm.
Oh my, you really are a douche arent you? You do also seem very upset over something that does not affect you in any way
Wow is a casual game, swifty caters to the casual audience.
So what is your problem really? Has he done something to you personally?
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
By your logic, if someone DDOS you, it's your service providers fault for not giving you mystical fairy land servers that can handle everything?
MMO server load is exponential to the number of users in a single zone... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if I cram a few thousand players in a small zone I might crash a server. Penny Arcade has on some occasion with Fan events, they didn't broadcast another server when they realized they have gone over the limit.
Dude, most ppl who play WoW are not exactly computer geniuses. In fact, lots of them are downright stupid as hell.
I am not saying Blizzard can keep their servers from crashing, I don't know if they can or not (though I imagine there could be some sort of failsafe mechanism to keep this from happening...). What I am saying is that unless this situation is implicitly described then it's wrong to arbitrarily ban people when it arises. As i expected after reading the rules, they don't really apply to this situation.
There is a psuedo-failsafe in place, but it doesnt work when people are all logging into the same location at the same time. The failsafe is that there is an upper limit to the number of people allowed online at a time before you enter a queue. However, as I said earlier, if you get a lot in the SAME spot it causes issues. Had everybody that logged in been in a different part of the game world, it would not have crashed.
Also, you cant realistically expect blizzard to define every situation ever, there are vague rules to allow flexibility so somebody cant find a loophole and claim it didnt go against the terms.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
By your logic, if someone DDOS you, it's your service providers fault for not giving you mystical fairy land servers that can handle everything?
MMO server load is exponential to the number of users in a single zone... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if I cram a few thousand players in a small zone I might crash a server. Penny Arcade has on some occasion with Fan events, they didn't broadcast another server when they realized they have gone over the limit.
Dude, most ppl who play WoW are not exactly computer geniuses. In fact, lots of them are downright stupid as hell.
I am not saying Blizzard can keep their servers from crashing, I don't know if they can or not (though I imagine there could be some sort of failsafe mechanism to keep this from happening...). What I am saying is that unless this situation is implicitly described then it's wrong to arbitrarily ban people when it arises. As i expected after reading the rules, they don't really apply to this situation.
Also, you cant realistically expect blizzard to define every situation ever, there are vague rules to allow flexibility so somebody cant find a loophole and claim it didnt go against the terms.
yeah I don't but that's why I think in situations like this it shouldn't be a permanent ban. It's not like blizzard is going to have to deal with this every day.
On July 19 2011 05:36 travis wrote: thatsundowner: I agree with you if he was warned by a GM. Is there some sort of proof of that, how do you know he was?
all we have is people who claimed to be watching the stream and saw gm messages in his chatlog warning him. we have no concrete proof that he was warned, but we have no proof that he wasn't, either.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators.
I would do a good 1/2/3 month ban. He was warned several times before, so he can't just get warned again...and since he crashed 3 different servers, he can't claim ignorance. But the celebrity status is worth something. Giving him a final warning with a long temp ban should be enough to straighten him out...and if it doesn't, then by all means perma ban him. Thats just me though...
On July 19 2011 05:36 travis wrote: thatsundowner: I agree with you if he was warned by a GM. Is there some sort of proof of that, how do you know he was?
all we have is people who claimed to be watching the stream and saw gm messages in his chatlog warning him. we have no concrete proof that he was warned, but we have no proof that he wasn't, either.
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
Why are you so angry?
Freakin relax..
Oh, I'm sorry if my harsh language hurt your virgin eyes. You must not be used to profanity. I apologize =(
Would it be more palatable if I called him a meanie no-good bad person doodie-head? He's a dipshit and a con artist, that's all there is to it. It doesn't mean I think he should be dragged in front of a firing squad, but I'm not going to rend my hair if he has to take some of his ill-gotten gains and spend them on a second copy of Cataclysm.
Oh my, you really are a douche arent you? You do also seem very upset over something that does not affect you in any way
Wow is a casual game, swifty caters to the casual audience.
So what is your problem really? Has he done something to you personally?
Swifty rips off the casual audience by taking advantage of their ignorance. He sells, for cash, video compilations that are overpriced and lacking in value. You can get better content for free on warcraftmovies.com, or for a cash fee on sites like nerdstompers.com or any of the other derivative arena advice websites.
I'm sorry you're too ignorant to understand what I'm saying, or too lethargic to care that he swindled cold hard cash out of people who didn't know that they could go to warcraftmovies and get better gameplay tips for free. You seem awfully indolent and uninformed on Swifty's moral culpability here, but I won't hold it against you - maybe that's just your natural state. Indolent and uninformed.
On July 19 2011 05:39 travis wrote: If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened. .
If the guy on stream is telling people to spam creation of hunters (i guess they have a pet, he said it himself) to spam the server into a crash, Well whats your call now?
On July 19 2011 05:44 Whole wrote: Does he save the VODS of his streams?
Yes but he took them down, My guess incriminating evidence. Theres youtube videos though, check the one i posted above. Ignore doublepost below
On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
But he didn't crash three servers. Thousands of morons did. It might not have been the smartest thing in the world to continue the event, but it's still not his fault especailly when he even tells people to stop spamming and mass logging.
Looks like the Ban doesn't do what Blizzard wants^^
So the idiots that got him banned are doing the thing he got banned over to try and get him back? Smart followers he has.
If it is true, as somebody mentioned on page 2, that this was the 3rd server he crashed then he absolutely deserves this and there is no defense for him as far as i'm concerned. If this was the first time then it shouldn't be a perma ban imo and just a warning, with the next time being perma.
On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
But he didn't crash three servers. Thousands of morons did. It might not have been the smartest thing in the world to continue the event, but it's still not his fault especailly when he even tells people to stop spamming and mass logging.
A temp ban would've been more than enough.
He organized the thousands of morons, he is responsible for it.
Just feel bad for the guy and think blizzard dosnt know what theyre doing.
If anyone or any group of people manage to crash a server of a game, by playing the game not doing any exploits, its the game companys fault IMHO. Even if its intentional.
On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
But he didn't crash three servers. Thousands of morons did. It might not have been the smartest thing in the world to continue the event, but it's still not his fault especailly when he even tells people to stop spamming and mass logging.
A temp ban would've been more than enough.
He pointed those morons towards two more servers after the first one went down.
You've either got to be incredibly arrogant, or incredibly stupid, to think you're going to get away with doing that two more times and nobody noticing.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators.
A temporary ban would provide the same results, no? Except that now you have 150 000 less people hating on blizzard and one of the figureheads of the wow community can continue bringing in more people to enjoy your game and make you more money.
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