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I'll have to agree with the others in that if he crashed more than one server he definitely does deserve some sort of ban, that's pretty unacceptable. I can almost see why he would try it on a 2nd server but a 3rd? That's just asking for it.
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On July 19 2011 05:51 Sea_Food wrote:
Just feel bad for the guy and think blizzard dosnt know what theyre doing.
If anyone or any group of people manage to crash a server of a game, by playing the game not doing any exploits, its the game companys fault IMHO. Even if its intentional.
Making a level 1 and spamming the fuck out of chat with garbage and racism is "playing the game" in what world?
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On July 19 2011 05:38 LoLAdriankat wrote:
They should've at least handled it the way they did with HuK borrowing TLO's account. You know, warn Swifty?
Something that a LOT of people in this thread don't realize is that he has been warned and banned (Not permanently.) before. And if you have any experience with Wow and banning etc you know they get more severe each time you break the rules, whether the incidents are linked OR NOT.
If they didn't follow their own protocol for an "e-famous" player, there would be thousands of people who would want unbanning aswell since they think they deserve another chance just as much as swifty does, and to be honest you can see why. Can't exclude someone from the rules just because he has a lot of youtube subscribers, doesn't work like that.
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On July 19 2011 05:32 PanzerKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:18 Yiska wrote:On July 19 2011 05:15 PanzerKing wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 Yiska wrote:On July 19 2011 05:00 PanzerKing wrote:On July 19 2011 04:55 Furycrab wrote:On July 19 2011 04:48 Excludos wrote:On July 19 2011 04:46 Furycrab wrote:On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote:
"After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net. It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself. Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone. Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around. I'm not seeing the connection here, are you? Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban. That's the connection to what he's doing right now. Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him. Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back. Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players. Actually if you are good friends with Ghostcrawler he will unban your account. Happened to several high profile NA players. That actually has nothing to do with what I said, because being friends with a developer and appealing to popular sentiment are not related in the slightest, but I like how you threw that out there and then didn't support it with any factual reference or specific examples. " They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position." I gave you an example where they did. Not my fault that you aren't able to infere this. I was talking about Reckful, Pookz, Sodah etc. basically every top player since everyone botted. (while pretty much every EU Regional 2010 participant remained banned  ) I don't understand what you're saying. I knew most of the top-end WoW community. I used to sit on the same vent with Reckful back before he even had Merc Glad, when he was on Medivh. I don't think he was ever banned for botting, but players who were banned, like Affix, just bought another copy of the game. I used to bot all the time, but after I got my rank 1 title, I decided that I'd get a second account just so that I didn't have to risk it anymore. I've never heard of a popular player botting and then having their account restored because their fans took to the internet - the idea is preposterous.
The bans were fairly recent. (Cataclysm) To be fair I think it was less due to public pressure that they took them back because in a botting case (and especially the alch bot which was actually inflicting upon server information which is much more malicious than pirox for instance) but more due to the fact that they just knew some higher ups, raided with them and what not. EU Players like Kalimist (who you probably don't know if you quit the game before wrath which I take from the fact that you don't know me , long time team mate of Hydra who should ring a bell), Demun, ah well pretty much everyone remained banned. Quite a few quit the game because of that. After all you are botting because you can't bear the grind, now the grind is even more immense? That's shattering for many.
That said they probably would've shot themselves in the foot by holding on to that ban. After all a lot of valuable input has been given by these guys
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Isnt this y they have server player cap and the whole queue system? Id ban the guy in charge of handling servers rather than swifty.
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So apparently he really did crash 3 server in a row eh? His reaction in the youtube video makes no sense then. Is he really so arrogant that he thought he was above reprisal from blizzard for doing something like this?
The real question is if he was actually warned by a GM after the previous server crashes. He may of been stupid enough to think that crashing servers wasn't a big deal and acted out of ignorance, but if he was actually told "don't do this" by a GM, and did it again anyways, then ya gtfo.
Edit: Apparently this isn't his first warning/ban in general either. He deserves to be gone. I hope they don't cave and let him back in.
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On July 19 2011 05:51 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:39 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:37 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:32 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:27 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:24 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:22 thatsundowner wrote:On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote:
aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it. depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned. and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed. How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it? According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as. Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action. No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins. I went and checked those parts of the eula out the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?) I read the other part too: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20224none of it seems applicable at all.... so, I still think blizzard is in the wrong here. You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend. You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time. You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes. What do you do? I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area. If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened. Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid. From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators. A temporary ban would provide the same results, no? Except that now you have 150 000 less people hating on blizzard and one of the figureheads of the wow community can continue bringing in more people to enjoy your game and make you more money.
They'll get over it. The story of Battlefield: Heroes is an excellent case-study that reveals how fickle, hypocritical and cowardly the loudest and most obnoxious gamers really are.
http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win
Pretty insightful if you have 42 minutes spare.
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On July 19 2011 05:54 TerraTron wrote:
Isnt this y they have server player cap and the whole queue system? Id ban the guy in charge of handling servers rather than swifty.
Why do you post if you aren't going to read the thread? We've been over this.
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On July 19 2011 05:53 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:51 Sea_Food wrote:
Just feel bad for the guy and think blizzard dosnt know what theyre doing.
If anyone or any group of people manage to crash a server of a game, by playing the game not doing any exploits, its the game companys fault IMHO. Even if its intentional. Making a level 1 and spamming the fuck out of chat with garbage and racism is "playing the game" in what world?
Yes. Maybe blizzard can learn from this and make a limit on how many accounts can be created on a server at a time or something? Or turn chat on slowmode when so many people spam?
Making level 1 and spamming, is not exploiting gaming, is not ddos. Tt is just people doing stuff they are allowed to do.
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On July 19 2011 04:20 N3rV[Green] wrote:
WoW Blizzard......just WoW.
This actually makes me sad, and I can't stand that game anymore.....just so sad to hear that this kinda shit can happen.
Hope he figures something out.
He crashes a server on WoW the ban should have happened, sad for Swifty though he has some interesting videos
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On July 19 2011 05:46 PanzerKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:38 sekalf wrote:On July 19 2011 05:28 PanzerKing wrote:On July 19 2011 05:21 sekalf wrote:On July 19 2011 05:19 PanzerKing wrote:On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote:
Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him.
this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW).
but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo.
Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty. Why are you so angry? Freakin relax.. Oh, I'm sorry if my harsh language hurt your virgin eyes. You must not be used to profanity. I apologize =( Would it be more palatable if I called him a meanie no-good bad person doodie-head? He's a dipshit and a con artist, that's all there is to it. It doesn't mean I think he should be dragged in front of a firing squad, but I'm not going to rend my hair if he has to take some of his ill-gotten gains and spend them on a second copy of Cataclysm. Oh my, you really are a douche arent you? You do also seem very upset over something that does not affect you in any way Wow is a casual game, swifty caters to the casual audience. So what is your problem really? Has he done something to you personally? Swifty rips off the casual audience by taking advantage of their ignorance. He sells, for cash, video compilations that are overpriced and lacking in value. You can get better content for free on warcraftmovies.com, or for a cash fee on sites like nerdstompers.com or any of the other derivative arena advice websites. I'm sorry you're too ignorant to understand what I'm saying, or too lethargic to care that he swindled cold hard cash out of people who didn't know that they could go to warcraftmovies and get better gameplay tips for free. You seem awfully indolent and uninformed on Swifty's moral culpability here, but I won't hold it against you - maybe that's just your natural state. Indolent and uninformed.
If someone has money and think something is worth buying, then they will buy it. Its not the person selling it that is to blame.
Also, most who like swifty does it for his personality, not his "skills".
Anyways, I dont really care enough about this to continue argue with you (If your insults could be called arguing..).
Have a nice day, and good luck in arena!
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On July 19 2011 05:55 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:51 Excludos wrote:On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:39 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:37 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:32 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:27 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:24 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:22 thatsundowner wrote:On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote:
aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it. depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned. and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed. How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it? According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as. Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action. No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins. I went and checked those parts of the eula out the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?) I read the other part too: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20224none of it seems applicable at all.... so, I still think blizzard is in the wrong here. You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend. You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time. You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes. What do you do? I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area. If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened. Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid. From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators. A temporary ban would provide the same results, no? Except that now you have 150 000 less people hating on blizzard and one of the figureheads of the wow community can continue bringing in more people to enjoy your game and make you more money. They'll get over it. The story of Battlefield: Heroes is an excellent case-study that reveals how fickle, hypocritical and cowardly the loudest and most obnoxious gamers really are. http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-winPretty insightful if you have 42 minutes spare.
I played Battlefied heroes hardcore, and spent even more time on the forums of BFH.
There are tons of obnoxious people, but I disagree with the adjectives you gave them.
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Chat spam does not kill servers. Thousands of people in the same small location does.
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ah the razer guy, I remember him 
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I'm not playing wow for like 3 years now, but I watch Swifty regularly. Not only he provides amazing content (note: I don't really care about 3k+ rating wow movies with dubstep music) but promotes healthy lifestyle and gives back prizes to the community.
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On July 19 2011 05:59 Sea_Food wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:55 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:51 Excludos wrote:On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:39 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:37 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:32 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:27 Bibdy wrote:On July 19 2011 05:24 travis wrote:On July 19 2011 05:22 thatsundowner wrote:
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depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed. How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it? According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as. Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action. No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins. I went and checked those parts of the eula out the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?) I read the other part too: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20224none of it seems applicable at all.... so, I still think blizzard is in the wrong here. You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend. You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time. You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes. What do you do? I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area. If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened. Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid. From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators. A temporary ban would provide the same results, no? Except that now you have 150 000 less people hating on blizzard and one of the figureheads of the wow community can continue bringing in more people to enjoy your game and make you more money. They'll get over it. The story of Battlefield: Heroes is an excellent case-study that reveals how fickle, hypocritical and cowardly the loudest and most obnoxious gamers really are. http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-winPretty insightful if you have 42 minutes spare. I played Battlefied heroes hardcore, and spent even more time on the forums of BFH. There are tons of obnoxious people, but I disagree with the adjectives you gave them.
What adjectives would you use to describe people that pay zero money to finance the game, scream bloody murder when they start offering purchased advantages, send hate mail and guilt-trip messages to the developers' personal email addresses, threaten to quit all over the place and then wind up paying much more than the average player towards the game once the dust settles?
I'd say cowardly (threaten to quit, but don't), fickle (I don't know what I want, but I'll scream and cry about it now, only to get on-board later) and hypocritical (pretend like they can't afford to play the game if it goes into a purchased model only to become some of the highest-paying customers in the end) are pretty damned accurate.
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The human cry when he was reading the chat was that edited or was it there originally? fitted really well.
I've played wow quite alot and seen some of his vids and its sad that he gets banned, not that I liked him but he didnt really deserve it tbh
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On July 19 2011 05:40 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:36 travis wrote:
thatsundowner: I agree with you if he was warned by a GM. Is there some sort of proof of that, how do you know he was? all we have is people who claimed to be watching the stream and saw gm messages in his chatlog warning him. we have no concrete proof that he was warned, but we have no proof that he wasn't, either.
If this is true and he was warned he should definatelly be banned. It's obvious he knew he was harming a lot of people by crashing the servers, wether it was directly his fault or not, he had the power to stop it, he was asked to stop it, and shouldn't be surprised by the ban if he didn't follow what the GM said.
If that is actually not true, it's a lot more complicated. I definatelly think doing something that you know will crash the server is a dick move and should be punishable no matter what, but maybe a perma ban was too much. Still, I don't know why he would take the videos down if he was completelly innocent and I believe there is a good possibility a GM actually contacted him.
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Ok just to make this clear I'm not trying to be a jerk, but... I actually laughed a bit when he was reading his ban and someone in the background was /crying.
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I never heard of this guy before, but I think this may be the best thing to happen to him.
The reason being is I don't care about this game, but if I hear this type of news I'm sure countless other people will hear about it. Looking at various sites, this is ALL OVER the internet and he is getting so much damn publicity for this. His viewership will immediately increase and the outpouring of support is taking his e-fame to another level.
While it may not be clear whether he will get his account reinstated, he has a lot on his plate.
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