I'm not really a Swifty fan, but there are some people who will be very upset to hear that Swifty has been perma-banned from World of Warcraft.
Allegedly, when running a live streaming event with his guild, he started a contest, and hundreds (if not thousands) of people created characters on his realm, all went to the spot of the contest, and some started spamming the chat.
This resulted in a server crash, and Swifty was approached by a GM who told him he was in violation.
Swifty is a World of Warcraft personality, with 158,000 subscribers on Youtube. He posts videos about Player vs Player (PvP), specializing in Warrior combat for duels, and arena battles. He is sponsored by Razer, and constantly gives away Razer gear to subscribers on Youtube.
He obviously makes his living off of WoW, so being banned is definitely a problem.
Best of luck to the man, whether you think he deserved it or not, being 'fired' always sucks.
It wasn't just starting an event, getting thousands of people together and crashing the zone that caused the perma-ban.
It was doing that 3 times, to 3 different servers one after another. Crashing a server on accident, would be warning worthy, but doing it, and then doing it to another because you can is inexcusable.
One of the few players I still remember from my years in WoW, always had a bunch of crafty tools in his PvP videos, was fun to watch. Too bad he got banned I guess.
This really sucks. Maybe he can start a new series where he goes from 1-80 or something? I know that isn't really his 'thing', since all of his fame was built off of PvP videos, but if he can't get the ban reversed he will have to end up doing something to keep his channel going.
I never understood why Swifty was so popular. He is terrible at PvP... I dont consider myself a great player, and even I beat Swifty's team in the arena back in the day.
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That's terrible. Was hosting a tournament against the ToS or something?
No, thousands of people created a new character and logged in to the same realm at the same time and this resulted in the entire server to crash. This then happened several times, to several realms.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
He wasn't telling people to spam and didn't intend to crash the server either.
On July 19 2011 04:27 thatsundowner wrote: purposefully organizing a huge gathering of people to spam chat and crash the server, frankly i'm shocked he got banned for it
Some people seem to have trouble reading/watching. He did not intend to crash the server.
He was not doing it on purpose. This is ridiculous. How is telling your viewers to not spam and crash the server 'trying to spam and crash the server'. Bullshit. If anything all the level one's that got made should be permabanned, not Swifty.
On July 19 2011 04:27 thatsundowner wrote: purposefully organizing a huge gathering of people to spam chat and crash the server, frankly i'm shocked he got banned for it
Some people seem to have trouble reading/watching. He did not intend to crash the server.
if he didn't realize what would happen then he's dumber than i thought, plus you really don't know his intentions.
as much as i hate him for being bad/making videos or w/e (he's the rwj of WoW) this shouldn't have happened to him.
i don't think his intention was to purposely crash servers. if it was then well i guess he deserves it. if he gets banned i don't really think it'll affect him much, he'll grind another war back to 85 in a week and be geared in like 2 months.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all.
On July 19 2011 04:21 smallerk wrote: He can just buy another account, seriously.
thats not the point, he has spent 6 years playing that character, 6 years of fun, friends and experiences, grinding, items, raids, pvp.. that is alot of time to just start fresh. This isnt like a SC2 account where after 50-100 games you will be back at the league you were in.
he didnt ban the servers on purpose, watch the fucking video where he explicitly states dont spam the chat we dont want to crash the server
the whole event was just for fun on a livestream... and because blizzard are incompetant they decided to ban swifty as the figurehead of the group despite the whole guild taking turns to lead the event.
A stern warning for his ignorance on what he might cause but a perma ban is a little over the top. That's a ton of hours, gear, etc gone at the drop of a hat. Not to mention his name and fans he's created or even people he's brought into the game from his content.
I don't feel this will hold for very long as word gets through the ranks at Blizzard.
Well, if WoW was his sole livelyhood, then that really sucks. Kinda feel bad for the guy, since he was only doing what his guild wanted. It isn't like he had a bot make 8000 accounts for him, but he got 8000 new characters. Blizz should be rewarding him or something. Well, another thing is all the contacts he lost. That would be my biggest concern if I was him, the items are re-gettable (except the limited editions).
He's just hoping thousands of people will appeal for him or that he will get more attention for it to his youtube channel. Which is usually not a great way to get an actual appeal by forcing the guys at Blizzard to skim through a couple thousand angry fan emails.
Rofl, his guild was hosting the live event even, why does Blizzard only bans Swifty and not his whole guild. I have a feeling a Game Master will be fired and Swifty's account unbanned seeing the outcry on the WoW battle.net forums (not to mention that is actually the right thing to do).
I havent played wow in almost 2 years but back when I played we use to organize huge server wide events and post them on the server forum. Im not sure how like 5k people can crash a server just logging into it. Especially when I played on Blackhand, Blackrock and Illidan which were all high pop or locked servers and I played on them right after content patches and could only remember like 2 or 3 server crashes and I played for 5 years lol.
is this really blizzard making the calls? cuz he obviously did not do this on purpose. and the fact that he created so much interest for WoW (newcomers and fans alike) for Blizz all these years....blizz just threw him under the bus.
On July 19 2011 04:37 Thorakh wrote: Rofl, his guild was hosting the live event even, why does Blizzard only bans Swifty and not his whole guild. I have a feeling a Game Master will be fired and Swifty's account unbanned seeing the outcry on the WoW battle.net forums (not to mention that is actually the right thing to do).
Im not sure if he had previously been warned because if he has then he got what was coming to him. If not then he should have gotten a warning I mean I knew people who bought and sold gold and they only got warned.
On July 19 2011 04:37 Thorakh wrote: Rofl, his guild was hosting the live event even, why does Blizzard only bans Swifty and not his whole guild. I have a feeling a Game Master will be fired and Swifty's account unbanned seeing the outcry on the WoW battle.net forums (not to mention that is actually the right thing to do).
Im not sure if he had previously been warned because if he has then he got what was coming to him. If not then he should have gotten a warning I mean I knew people who bought and sold gold and they only got warned.
The point is that it's not his fault. It's the fault of all the thousands of people logging making new level ones. Ban them instead, it's their fault. Swifty didn't want to crash servers and yet thousands of morons didn't listen.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
That's not even close, that's like if IdrA had asked people to message himself and got banned for it.
I have no sympathy for Swifty. He filmed a bunch of terrible duels and silly "tricks" and sold them to newbie players with too much cash and not enough game knowledge to realize that they were being flim-flammed. The entire package was a combination of common knowledge, low-skill basic PvP tips and ridiculous bugs/exploits. Anyone who bought into his bullshit was completely ripped-off, so I can't bring myself to feel bad knowing that he might have to buy another copy of Cata.
The fact that Razer actually sponsored him is a travesty and a sad joke. I cannot bring myself to say one good thing about this guy.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
the difference is battle.net is built to handle lots of players, WoW is split up into hundreds of servers with the population on each server split across the world to specifically avoid gatherings like this. the guy knew what he was doing when he got thousands of people to crowd into one area, maybe his intention wasn't to specifically crash the server but anyone who isn't a complete retard is going to know what the outcome is here
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Calm down lol. Apparently he crashed the server more than once. It's blizzard's game to do with what they like, if he broke the TOS somehow then they are well within their rights to ban him.
Blizzard can basically ban your WoW account with no reason really. I remember I saw about Athenewins and his 13 hour grind to get his guildmate from 70 to 80 to become world first.
He isnt good though I feel sorry for him cuz he seems like a really nice guy. Also to those who say he should just make a new char, he has used that1 since vanilla with all his old items and achies that he seems to cherish very much so I dont think he would like to do that. Or he can just quit the shit game like i did 1 month after cata
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
On July 19 2011 04:45 Sernyl wrote: Did you people even watch the live stream event before posting?...
Who cares? Swifty is scum, and WoW is better off without him. Of course, he'll just dip into the huge pile of money he made from ripping newbies off and he'll buy another copy of the game. You can take a Warrior 1-80 in about 3 days, so all this sympathy for him is total farce.
On July 19 2011 04:37 Thorakh wrote: Rofl, his guild was hosting the live event even, why does Blizzard only bans Swifty and not his whole guild. I have a feeling a Game Master will be fired and Swifty's account unbanned seeing the outcry on the WoW battle.net forums (not to mention that is actually the right thing to do).
Im not sure if he had previously been warned because if he has then he got what was coming to him. If not then he should have gotten a warning I mean I knew people who bought and sold gold and they only got warned.
The point is that it's not his fault. It's the fault of all the thousands of people logging making new level ones. Ban them instead, it's their fault. Swifty didn't want to crash servers and yet thousands of morons didn't listen.
Well being e-famous like that and having thousands of retarded fans brings some level of responsibility with it, he should've just canceled the event after he fucked up one server.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Sorry that i offended you, and your WoW-hero. But if you crash 2 servers, and proceed to keep going and crash even more, you have to be pretty damn stupid and deserve what's coming. I understand the GM that banned him and the ones that made the decision to a 100%. I would do the same thing in blizzards position.
While I might not be swifty's biggest fan,
Blizzard has 11 million players, and yet they cant seemingly have a server that can handle a huge influx? Most servers have a population cap so you cant do this shit, and the contest or w/e it was, was held in good fun and not a purposeful way to crash the server. It's not like they tell you, "You crashed the server", so how was he supposed to know it wasn't a virus or something? I vote for an unban and an apology from blizzard.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
EDIT: oh wait, are we not talking about the same thing? nvm me I havent heard about this. Did Idra get banned from sc2 as well?
video makes it quite sad. piano really got me. i hope blizzard returns his account and maybe gives that guild a warning for the situation. blizzard shouldnt be hurting their own scene if this guy is really as big of a personality as it seems.
Athene pretty much did the same thing and got also banned for it. I thought everyone knows that you could get banned for stuff like that. Ofc people will start to flood the chat, it has always been like that and always will be if they are not on their mains.
I feel sorry for him, though, saw alot of his movies. But im also not very surprised that that happend
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Sorry that i offended you, and your WoW-hero. But if you crash 2 servers, and proceed to keep going and crash even more, you have to be pretty damn stupid and deserve what's coming. I understand the GM that banned him and the ones that made the decision to a 100%. I would do the same thing in blizzards position.
While I might not be swifty's biggest fan,
Blizzard has 11 million players, and yet they cant seemingly have a server that can handle a huge influx? Most servers have a population cap so you cant do this shit, and the contest or w/e it was, was held in good fun and not a purposeful way to crash the server. It's not like they tell you, "You crashed the server", so how was he supposed to know it wasn't a virus or something? I vote for an unban and an apology from blizzard.
the servers can handle that many players, but not in the same place and not all spamming chat. just think of all the data that has to be sent back and forth between all the clients in the area and the server, if you could figure out a way to handle that you would probably be a very rich man right now
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Hey dude, there's no need for personal attacks. Your first 3 sentences were enough.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Sorry that i offended you, and your WoW-hero. But if you crash 2 servers, and proceed to keep going and crash even more, you have to be pretty damn stupid and deserve what's coming. I understand the GM that banned him and the ones that made the decision to a 100%. I would do the same thing in blizzards position.
While I might not be swifty's biggest fan,
Blizzard has 11 million players, and yet they cant seemingly have a server that can handle a huge influx? Most servers have a population cap so you cant do this shit, and the contest or w/e it was, was held in good fun and not a purposeful way to crash the server. It's not like they tell you, "You crashed the server", so how was he supposed to know it wasn't a virus or something? I vote for an unban and an apology from blizzard.
That's the worst defense ever. He crashed multiple servers. When a server crashes, you know it. When it happens twice in a row while you're filling a small area with thousands of players, it should be abundantly clear what happened.
He made a series of incredibly dumb and inconsiderate decisions. He got banned for it, and deserved to get banned for it. He knocked thousands of players out of the game across multiple realms. You'd fee differently if you were in the process of distributing loot or about to down a new boss when the server crashed.
He might have had good intentions, but at some point it doesn't matter. He's at fault whether he was being malicious or just stupid.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Douchebag_blizzard.jpg - make billions - no ddos protection
I remember our ironforge raid crashed their servers like 5-6 years ago. You'd think by now they would have a limit of connected users in one zone implemented. Then again with the recent sony hacks I shouldn't be surprised.
He will be fine. It is a GM that closed the account when he appeals they will do more investigation into it. I have known many people who got permed accounts back due to GM's making snap calls.
I don't care much for him, but I hate when a group of rabid fans do mass spamming to get his account back or call Blizzard retarded and to fix their game by adding in features that are impossible to do without ruining the overall experience of a zone.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players.
On July 19 2011 04:59 Adeny wrote: Douchebag_blizzard.jpg - make billions - no ddos protection
I remember our ironforge raid crashed their servers like 5-6 years ago. You'd think by now they would have a limit of connected users in one zone implemented. Then again with the recent sony hacks I shouldn't be surprised.
On July 19 2011 04:59 Adeny wrote: Douchebag_blizzard.jpg - make billions - no ddos protection
I remember our ironforge raid crashed their servers like 5-6 years ago. You'd think by now they would have a limit of connected users in one zone implemented. Then again with the recent sony hacks I shouldn't be surprised.
I've crashed the wow server several times back when I was playing as well. Once when my guild tried to do a serverwide pvp event with alliance vs the horde in a huge PvP zone. And the other when trying to raid Thrall..with the entire server yet again Both back in lvl 60 days. I don't remember anyone being banned for it =|
On July 19 2011 04:59 Adeny wrote: Douchebag_blizzard.jpg - make billions - no ddos protection
I remember our ironforge raid crashed their servers like 5-6 years ago. You'd think by now they would have a limit of connected users in one zone implemented. Then again with the recent sony hacks I shouldn't be surprised.
1. I dont think you know what ddos is, because it has nothing to do with this case 2. As far as I know they crashed multiple servers, which means they deny playing for everyone on that server, so ofc Blizz will take action. 3.It is impossible to completely protect your servers from flooding unless you port people do different locations ,i.e. different servers ( chat servers, area servers, etc) affected and not just one
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Sorry that i offended you, and your WoW-hero. But if you crash 2 servers, and proceed to keep going and crash even more, you have to be pretty damn stupid and deserve what's coming. I understand the GM that banned him and the ones that made the decision to a 100%. I would do the same thing in blizzards position.
While I might not be swifty's biggest fan,
Blizzard has 11 million players, and yet they cant seemingly have a server that can handle a huge influx? Most servers have a population cap so you cant do this shit, and the contest or w/e it was, was held in good fun and not a purposeful way to crash the server. It's not like they tell you, "You crashed the server", so how was he supposed to know it wasn't a virus or something? I vote for an unban and an apology from blizzard.
That's the worst defense ever. He crashed multiple servers. When a server crashes, you know it. When it happens twice in a row while you're filling a small area with thousands of players, it should be abundantly clear what happened.
He made a series of incredibly dumb and inconsiderate decisions. He got banned for it, and deserved to get banned for it. He knocked thousands of players out of the game across multiple realms. You'd fee differently if you were in the process of distributing loot or about to down a new boss when the server crashed.
He might have had good intentions, but at some point it doesn't matter. He's at fault whether he was being malicious or just stupid.
When I played WoW 2 years ago, the servers crashed all the time when Orgrimmar was full on saturday. When I played WoW, there were people that some of you might know (Kungen, anyone?) that crashed the server when being online. When his guild changed the server, the server was crashing from that point every day. Kungen and his friends are supported by Blizzard. Swifty's not, but helping the community more than Kungen and his friends ever could. Guess who's banned, guess who's not? That's simply not fair.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Sorry that i offended you, and your WoW-hero. But if you crash 2 servers, and proceed to keep going and crash even more, you have to be pretty damn stupid and deserve what's coming. I understand the GM that banned him and the ones that made the decision to a 100%. I would do the same thing in blizzards position.
While I might not be swifty's biggest fan,
Blizzard has 11 million players, and yet they cant seemingly have a server that can handle a huge influx? Most servers have a population cap so you cant do this shit, and the contest or w/e it was, was held in good fun and not a purposeful way to crash the server. It's not like they tell you, "You crashed the server", so how was he supposed to know it wasn't a virus or something? I vote for an unban and an apology from blizzard.
That's the worst defense ever. He crashed multiple servers. When a server crashes, you know it. When it happens twice in a row while you're filling a small area with thousands of players, it should be abundantly clear what happened.
He made a series of incredibly dumb and inconsiderate decisions. He got banned for it, and deserved to get banned for it. He knocked thousands of players out of the game across multiple realms. You'd fee differently if you were in the process of distributing loot or about to down a new boss when the server crashed.
He might have had good intentions, but at some point it doesn't matter. He's at fault whether he was being malicious or just stupid.
When I played WoW 2 years ago, the servers crashed all the time when Orgrimmar was full on saturday. When I played WoW, there were people that some of you might know (Kungen, anyone?) that crashed the server when being online. When his guild changed the server, the server was crashing from that point every day. Kungen and his friends are supported by Blizzard. Swifty's not, but helping the community more than Kungen and his friends ever could. Guess who's banned, guess who's not? That's simply not fair.
Kungen didnt tell people on stream to change to the next server when his server crashed, so that the next one could possibly also crash
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Sorry that i offended you, and your WoW-hero. But if you crash 2 servers, and proceed to keep going and crash even more, you have to be pretty damn stupid and deserve what's coming. I understand the GM that banned him and the ones that made the decision to a 100%. I would do the same thing in blizzards position.
While I might not be swifty's biggest fan,
Blizzard has 11 million players, and yet they cant seemingly have a server that can handle a huge influx? Most servers have a population cap so you cant do this shit, and the contest or w/e it was, was held in good fun and not a purposeful way to crash the server. It's not like they tell you, "You crashed the server", so how was he supposed to know it wasn't a virus or something? I vote for an unban and an apology from blizzard.
That's the worst defense ever. He crashed multiple servers. When a server crashes, you know it. When it happens twice in a row while you're filling a small area with thousands of players, it should be abundantly clear what happened.
He made a series of incredibly dumb and inconsiderate decisions. He got banned for it, and deserved to get banned for it. He knocked thousands of players out of the game across multiple realms. You'd fee differently if you were in the process of distributing loot or about to down a new boss when the server crashed.
He might have had good intentions, but at some point it doesn't matter. He's at fault whether he was being malicious or just stupid.
When I played WoW 2 years ago, the servers crashed all the time when Orgrimmar was full on saturday. When I played WoW, there were people that some of you might know (Kungen, anyone?) that crashed the server when being online. When his guild changed the server, the server was crashing from that point every day. Kungen and his friends are supported by Blizzard. Swifty's not, but helping the community more than Kungen and his friends ever could. Guess who's banned, guess who's not? That's simply not fair.
How can you possibly say that Swifty is "helping" the WoW community? He's a profiteer making money off of people too stupid to realize that they're getting basic knowledge, not "leet pvp tricks." he's garbage on every level - a terrible player conning people too ignorant to know any better.
On July 19 2011 04:32 Vetrocide wrote: who cares hes a sellout anyway
wtf does that even mean? what is he selling out?
He's sponsored by Razer and gives away free razer products if you win his challenges, i guess thats what he means by sell-out l0l; but yeah Swifty is a cool guy.. too bad he's not very good he-s like the Husky of WoW but gives away free products
On July 19 2011 05:08 Redox wrote: I bet this alone brings publicity to him that is worth more than the 50 Euro he has to invest now to get a new account.
Seriously, why would anyone care?
To be honest, I'm more perplexed than anything else. I cannot believe this scumbag has fans. Like, actual fans. People who think that he's giving out good advice, and that he's doing it to help people. That's just so far off-base that it blows my mind.
I'm not going to claim Arenajunkies is anything but a cesspit of inflated egos playing FOTM comps, but at least they see Swifty for what he is.
I like how in SC2 you have "input-limit reached", but no such thing when you get spammed in whisper and in /say in wow. I remember back in the day playing on Kazzak when there were login queues to get on the server, if Blizzard wanted to avoid server crashes, maybe they should have considered preventing spam and limiting amount of logins on the same server / players in the same zone.
For the people saying he's making this video to get people to write angry emails - no, he's making it because he has 158k subs and not informing them would be weird don't you think? Besides, as some have pointed out, he HAS done a lot for the wow-community. The amount of money Blizzard makes off of the people who play because of Swifty is probably quite a lot more than you make a year.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players.
Actually if you are good friends with Ghostcrawler he will unban your account. Happened to several high profile NA players.
Most of the posts in that thread are supporting swifty..
Stupid move to ban him, and he probably will get his char back. I havent played wow for a while now, but I always liked swifty for his happy and fun attitude. No reason to hate on the guy really, he is just having a fun time playing a game he loves (and making money while doing it).
Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
On July 19 2011 04:47 Gaxton wrote: The people over at Arenajunkies (pretty much the elitists/top-tier of the pvpscene) seem happy about it.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players.
Actually if you are good friends with Ghostcrawler he will unban your account. Happened to several high profile NA players.
That actually has nothing to do with what I said, because being friends with a developer and appealing to popular sentiment are not related in the slightest, but I like how you threw that out there and then didn't support it with any factual reference or specific examples.
(not what actually happened) Swifty: We are having a contest, everybody gather on this server at this time at this location. *people gather, server dies because there are too many people in a single location* Swifty: Oh, we crashed the server. Well, lets try a DIFFERENT server. *same thing happens* Swifty: Well... damn... lets try ANOTHER server. *same thing happens* *Swifty gets banned* Swifty: wtf why was I banned?!
If you cant figure out that you are the cause of the server crashing after it happening several times, then are confused that you got banned for crashing servers... you are a very special person.
It doesnt matter that his intention was not to crash them, but he did bring it to happen more than once and continued to attempt it instead of just saying sorry to the people that tried to participate. Remember, he ruined the playing experience for tens of thousands of paying people several times.
On July 19 2011 04:26 TheRabidDeer wrote: I never understood why Swifty was so popular. He is terrible at PvP... I dont consider myself a great player, and even I beat Swifty's team in the arena back in the day.
That's terrible. Was hosting a tournament against the ToS or something?
No, thousands of people created a new character and logged in to the same realm at the same time and this resulted in the entire server to crash. This then happened several times, to several realms.
What the fuck did he do that for? He felt good that thousands of people followed him enough to get them to fall to every beck and call? Seems very stupid.
lol @ people who get mad because he sells videos without "incredible high level stategic advice or whatever". jealous much?
it's a game for casual people.. people who want to have fun and ride shiny shit and collect stuff and complete quests and get achievements. maybe people just like him and his videos? ever think about that?
aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players.
Actually if you are good friends with Ghostcrawler he will unban your account. Happened to several high profile NA players.
That actually has nothing to do with what I said, because being friends with a developer and appealing to popular sentiment are not related in the slightest, but I like how you threw that out there and then didn't support it with any factual reference or specific examples.
" They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position."
I gave you an example where they did. Not my fault that you aren't able to infere this.
I was talking about Reckful, Pookz, Sodah etc. basically every top player since everyone botted. (while pretty much every EU Regional 2010 participant remained banned )
On July 19 2011 05:12 aRRoSC2 wrote: I like how in SC2 you have "input-limit reached", but no such thing when you get spammed in whisper and in /say in wow. I remember back in the day playing on Kazzak when there were login queues to get on the server, if Blizzard wanted to avoid server crashes, maybe they should have considered preventing spam and limiting amount of logins on the same server / players in the same zone.
there are methods to prevent spam and limit logins, but you counteract both by having so many people in one spot. the server could theoretically support 4k people, it's when you put them all in the same area that it starts to get hairy. how a game like that works is when you move or say something, or do anything, really, it sends info to the server. the server then sends stuff out to everybody around you. now you have 4 thousand people talking in chat, spamming spells, running around in circles, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's going to tax the servers far more than 4k people spread out
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
On July 19 2011 05:16 TheRabidDeer wrote: (not what actually happened) Swifty: We are having a contest, everybody gather on this server at this time at this location. *people gather, server dies because there are too many people in a single location* Swifty: Oh, we crashed the server. Well, lets try a DIFFERENT server. *same thing happens* Swifty: Well... damn... lets try ANOTHER server. *same thing happens* *Swifty gets banned* Swifty: wtf why was I banned?!
If you cant figure out that you are the cause of the server crashing after it happening several times, then are confused that you got banned for crashing servers... you are a very special person.
It doesnt matter that his intention was not to crash them, but he did bring it to happen more than once and continued to attempt it instead of just saying sorry to the people that tried to participate. Remember, he ruined the playing experience for tens of thousands of paying people several times.
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
uh... those words he said at that time weren't explicit.. it was more implied than saying it out right...and those weren't even the exact wording either...
On July 19 2011 04:59 Adeny wrote: Douchebag_blizzard.jpg - make billions - no ddos protection
I remember our ironforge raid crashed their servers like 5-6 years ago. You'd think by now they would have a limit of connected users in one zone implemented. Then again with the recent sony hacks I shouldn't be surprised.
1. I dont think you know what ddos is, because it has nothing to do with this case 2. As far as I know they crashed multiple servers, which means they deny playing for everyone on that server, so ofc Blizz will take action. 3.It is impossible to completely protect your servers from flooding unless you port people do different locations ,i.e. different servers ( chat servers, area servers, etc) affected and not just one
its still sad for him tho
This is the very definition of a Distrubuted Denial of Service attack.
they deny playing for everyone on that server
How is this impossible: if (zone.playercount < 500) allow connection else port new connections to a capital city or something
Inconvenient maybe, but far from impossible.
Blizzard rolls in billions of dollars. They've had problems with this for at least 5 years.
If he did in no way intent to disrupt any service or take down the server but just wanted to have people meet up he should not be banned. It's blizzards own fault if they don't have any protection preventing this.
Really bad move on Blizzard's part. Never a fan of Swifty but he loved the game, and was really good for game promotion. Just don't get Blizz sometimes...
Why the hell does this guy deserve a free pass to crash servers, exactly? As far as I can tell, Blizzard did exactly the right thing. How many servers got crashed after the guy was banned?
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
On July 19 2011 05:19 clik wrote: Some people seem to have personal issues against swifty in this thread instead of actually talking about the issue in which he got banned for.
haha I agree, I've been reading about this on various websites and it seems like some people have some serious issues with Swifty for whatever reason.
I watch his videos, and from those he seems like a nice person. He promotes healthy eating, going out and doing other things than gaming, etc.
I didn't watch the live stream where this actually happened, but I don't think it should have resulted in a permanent ban. Of course, I don't know the full details and maybe this had to do with past issues on his account as well, but i'm just speaking from what I know so far.
Worst case scenario is that he will have to make a totally new account, which really sucks since he has had the same character for so long, but thats the reality.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players.
Actually if you are good friends with Ghostcrawler he will unban your account. Happened to several high profile NA players.
That actually has nothing to do with what I said, because being friends with a developer and appealing to popular sentiment are not related in the slightest, but I like how you threw that out there and then didn't support it with any factual reference or specific examples.
" They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position."
I gave you an example where they did. Not my fault that you aren't able to infere this.
I was talking about Reckful, Pookz, Sodah etc. basically every top player since everyone botted. (while pretty much every EU Regional 2010 participant remained banned )
Care to elaborate? All I know about mass bannings recently was the archaeology bot that would announce locations in chat and therefore made it stupidly obvious that you were botting.
Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of perma-bans were reversed. It's not uncommon especially for people who make gold intensively (via the AH using legal methods, no botting/hacking/whatever) and Blizzard banned them as a precaution because it seemed like they were getting too much gold too fast. An appeal later and they're unbanned. /shrug
Blizzard's WoW team....... Mega sigh. Swifty has been a badass warrior pioneer for as long as i can remember -- how could they possibly think this is a good idea...?? Reminds me of the INCREDIBLE apathy which blizzard displays when you try to email them about... anything. I had a lvl 60 alliance char back in the day (when 60 was the cap and it actually took a long time to reach) and i messaged blizz with a very polite, very well written email which basically said, "All of my friends have changed servers and rolled horde. If there is any way you could possibly race change my character to orc, (obviously stripped of all gear, professions, gold, gear, etc. you name it) i would pay them whatever sum of money they needed." i ended the email by saying that i was a 2-year subscriber, and that i did not have time to waste leveling another char to 60 again, and would therefore cancel my subscription if they could not help.
They sent me an automated email that they used to send to every single person asking for a race change. It claimed that there was no physically possible way to help me. They did not give 1 / 10th of 1% of a shit about me or my time. This didnt surprise me. What surprised me was the fact that im telling them that they are about to LOSE a bunch of money that i would otherwise have kept spending on subscription. not to mention i offered 60 + dollars for the race change.
Thats not even the worst part. Less than TWO MONTHS LATER i was watching a friend load up WoW on his computer. The loader screen read : "RACE CHANGES NOW AVAILABLE!" Wait, this was an impossibility like 40 days ago, right...?
It's beyond a hatred that i feel towards the world of warcraft GMs... It is pure, 100% LOATHING. I could kill myself knowing i gave them over 200 dollars through the game discs and sub costs. UGGGGGH (pukes) I say all you WoW players go on a boycott. mass subscription cancel please.
To those saying that he can just create a new character that really defeats the purpose. He's been playing for six years on one toon. I'm sure he has a ton of things you can't acheive anymore (Mounts Titles etc..) To put so much effort into a character and to have it banned with little fault of your own would be nothing short of heart breaking honostly.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I feel a temporary ban would have been better for this circumstance. Perma is too much, but really. He crashed multiple servers and kept on trying? How stupid do you get?
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
Why are you so angry?
Freakin relax..
Oh, I'm sorry if my harsh language hurt your virgin eyes. You must not be used to profanity. I apologize =(
Would it be more palatable if I called him a meanie no-good bad person doodie-head? He's a dipshit and a con artist, that's all there is to it. It doesn't mean I think he should be dragged in front of a firing squad, but I'm not going to rend my hair if he has to take some of his ill-gotten gains and spend them on a second copy of Cataclysm.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
People have been banned before for causing servers to crash.
Example: A long time ago, Blackrock was a really unstable server. Amazingly unstable, with a really huge number of players on it. Every time the server went down people would log onto a specific RP server (argent dawn) in "protest". Lots of people received suspensions for this. I dont know if anybody got permabanned for it, but nobody organized it... it was just something that happened.
Also, how is it blizzards fault their servers cant handle it? I dont think there is any server in the world that couldve handled something like that...
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
It's kinda blizzard's fault for not updating their servers... new xeons around the corner...
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
By your logic, if someone DDOS you, it's your service providers fault for not giving you mystical fairy land servers that can handle everything?
MMO server load is exponential to the number of users in a single zone... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if I cram a few thousand players in a small zone I might crash a server. Penny Arcade has on some occasion with Fan events, they didn't broadcast another server when they realized they have gone over the limit.
On July 19 2011 05:28 NB wrote: hmmm, can sever actually crash just bc of chat channel spamming? i mean they are just txt right?
Given 158,000 subscribers constantly spamming it will go up to few megabytes at max?? never play WoW so im not sure...
It isnt just text, there are also physical characters. A typical server usually has like 10-20k people spread throughout the entire world of the game. Different servers handle different areas of the game and it makes a smooth playing experience. When you get 5k people in the same spot, the server struggles a lot because that is a LOT of freaking calculations to be doing and a LOT of stuff to keep track of for a small portion of their server system.
On July 19 2011 05:28 NB wrote: hmmm, can sever actually crash just bc of chat channel spamming? i mean they are just txt right?
Given 158,000 subscribers constantly spamming it will go up to few megabytes at max?? never play WoW so im not sure...
I've used world of logs and other combat log charts that just record the combat log of what happens during a raid to a txt file. Within a few days that txt file can grow up to a few gigs.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players.
Actually if you are good friends with Ghostcrawler he will unban your account. Happened to several high profile NA players.
That actually has nothing to do with what I said, because being friends with a developer and appealing to popular sentiment are not related in the slightest, but I like how you threw that out there and then didn't support it with any factual reference or specific examples.
" They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position."
I gave you an example where they did. Not my fault that you aren't able to infere this.
I was talking about Reckful, Pookz, Sodah etc. basically every top player since everyone botted. (while pretty much every EU Regional 2010 participant remained banned )
I don't understand what you're saying. I knew most of the top-end WoW community. I used to sit on the same vent with Reckful back before he even had Merc Glad, when he was on Medivh. I don't think he was ever banned for botting, but players who were banned, like Affix, just bought another copy of the game. I used to bot all the time, but after I got my rank 1 title, I decided that I'd get a second account just so that I didn't have to risk it anymore. I've never heard of a popular player botting and then having their account restored because their fans took to the internet - the idea is preposterous.
On July 19 2011 05:28 NB wrote: hmmm, can sever actually crash just bc of chat channel spamming? i mean they are just txt right?
Given 158,000 subscribers constantly spamming it will go up to few megabytes at max?? never play WoW so im not sure...
it isn't that sending out a chat message is some tough task, it's thousands of people sending out chat messages that need to be sent out to thousands of other people, repeating over and over again in a very short amount of time
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
It's kinda blizzard's fault for not updating their servers... new xeons around the corner...
What evidence is there that their servers aren't up-to-date enough? Considering how well the things run on a weekly basis, considering they've got 11-freaking-million customers, I'd say they've got a good system going. It's not in their best interests to have service go down, nor is it in their interest to spend tons more cash than necessary just to avoid a server crash when some douchebag gets a bunch of people to spam a zone.
The idea that someone could blame Blizzard for this is just laughably juvenile.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
Alright.
He didn't break the EULA.
I don't care who this guy really is but if you read the EULA he didn't break it.
On July 19 2011 05:28 NB wrote: hmmm, can sever actually crash just bc of chat channel spamming? i mean they are just txt right?
Given 158,000 subscribers constantly spamming it will go up to few megabytes at max?? never play WoW so im not sure...
it isn't that sending out a chat message is some tough task, it's thousands of people sending out chat messages that need to be sent out to thousands of other people, repeating over and over again in a very short amount of time
The chat server is its own server, chatting is not what caused the crash. You know the chat server is its own server because the game server can be down/crashing and chat still passes through fine.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
doing it once is unintentional, moving to other servers after getting warnings from the gm is not. his stated intentions are irrelevant, it's his actions that count.
On July 19 2011 05:28 NB wrote: hmmm, can sever actually crash just bc of chat channel spamming? i mean they are just txt right?
Given 158,000 subscribers constantly spamming it will go up to few megabytes at max?? never play WoW so im not sure...
it isn't that sending out a chat message is some tough task, it's thousands of people sending out chat messages that need to be sent out to thousands of other people, repeating over and over again in a very short amount of time
The chat server is its own server, chatting is not what caused the crash. You know the chat server is its own server because the game server can be down/crashing and chat still passes through fine.
my bad, it's still unnecessary strain that shouldn't have to be dealt with.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
By your logic, if someone DDOS you, it's your service providers fault for not giving you mystical fairy land servers that can handle everything?
MMO server load is exponential to the number of users in a single zone... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if I cram a few thousand players in a small zone I might crash a server. Penny Arcade has on some occasion with Fan events, they didn't broadcast another server when they realized they have gone over the limit.
Dude, most ppl who play WoW are not exactly computer geniuses. In fact, lots of them are downright stupid as hell.
I am not saying Blizzard can keep their servers from crashing, I don't know if they can or not (though I imagine there could be some sort of failsafe mechanism to keep this from happening...). What I am saying is that unless this situation is implicitly described then it's wrong to arbitrarily ban people when it arises. As i expected after reading the rules, they don't really apply to this situation.
thatsundowner: I agree with you if he was warned by a GM. Is there some sort of proof of that, how do you know he was?
Lol wow servers can't handle a lot of ppl int he same area at one? It also doesn't hurt that the guy isn't half bad looking, in shape, and could write a small script conveying his side to slow music.
Idk about the topic as a whole, since the words spoken in this video really threw me off. Rather blizzard give a slap on the wrist instead of permbanning head community figures. Or at least discuss it for a second.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
Why are you so angry?
Freakin relax..
Oh, I'm sorry if my harsh language hurt your virgin eyes. You must not be used to profanity. I apologize =(
Would it be more palatable if I called him a meanie no-good bad person doodie-head? He's a dipshit and a con artist, that's all there is to it. It doesn't mean I think he should be dragged in front of a firing squad, but I'm not going to rend my hair if he has to take some of his ill-gotten gains and spend them on a second copy of Cataclysm.
Oh my, you really are a douche arent you? You do also seem very upset over something that does not affect you in any way
Wow is a casual game, swifty caters to the casual audience.
So what is your problem really? Has he done something to you personally?
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
By your logic, if someone DDOS you, it's your service providers fault for not giving you mystical fairy land servers that can handle everything?
MMO server load is exponential to the number of users in a single zone... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if I cram a few thousand players in a small zone I might crash a server. Penny Arcade has on some occasion with Fan events, they didn't broadcast another server when they realized they have gone over the limit.
Dude, most ppl who play WoW are not exactly computer geniuses. In fact, lots of them are downright stupid as hell.
I am not saying Blizzard can keep their servers from crashing, I don't know if they can or not (though I imagine there could be some sort of failsafe mechanism to keep this from happening...). What I am saying is that unless this situation is implicitly described then it's wrong to arbitrarily ban people when it arises. As i expected after reading the rules, they don't really apply to this situation.
There is a psuedo-failsafe in place, but it doesnt work when people are all logging into the same location at the same time. The failsafe is that there is an upper limit to the number of people allowed online at a time before you enter a queue. However, as I said earlier, if you get a lot in the SAME spot it causes issues. Had everybody that logged in been in a different part of the game world, it would not have crashed.
Also, you cant realistically expect blizzard to define every situation ever, there are vague rules to allow flexibility so somebody cant find a loophole and claim it didnt go against the terms.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
By your logic, if someone DDOS you, it's your service providers fault for not giving you mystical fairy land servers that can handle everything?
MMO server load is exponential to the number of users in a single zone... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if I cram a few thousand players in a small zone I might crash a server. Penny Arcade has on some occasion with Fan events, they didn't broadcast another server when they realized they have gone over the limit.
Dude, most ppl who play WoW are not exactly computer geniuses. In fact, lots of them are downright stupid as hell.
I am not saying Blizzard can keep their servers from crashing, I don't know if they can or not (though I imagine there could be some sort of failsafe mechanism to keep this from happening...). What I am saying is that unless this situation is implicitly described then it's wrong to arbitrarily ban people when it arises. As i expected after reading the rules, they don't really apply to this situation.
Also, you cant realistically expect blizzard to define every situation ever, there are vague rules to allow flexibility so somebody cant find a loophole and claim it didnt go against the terms.
yeah I don't but that's why I think in situations like this it shouldn't be a permanent ban. It's not like blizzard is going to have to deal with this every day.
On July 19 2011 05:36 travis wrote: thatsundowner: I agree with you if he was warned by a GM. Is there some sort of proof of that, how do you know he was?
all we have is people who claimed to be watching the stream and saw gm messages in his chatlog warning him. we have no concrete proof that he was warned, but we have no proof that he wasn't, either.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators.
I would do a good 1/2/3 month ban. He was warned several times before, so he can't just get warned again...and since he crashed 3 different servers, he can't claim ignorance. But the celebrity status is worth something. Giving him a final warning with a long temp ban should be enough to straighten him out...and if it doesn't, then by all means perma ban him. Thats just me though...
On July 19 2011 05:36 travis wrote: thatsundowner: I agree with you if he was warned by a GM. Is there some sort of proof of that, how do you know he was?
all we have is people who claimed to be watching the stream and saw gm messages in his chatlog warning him. we have no concrete proof that he was warned, but we have no proof that he wasn't, either.
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
Why are you so angry?
Freakin relax..
Oh, I'm sorry if my harsh language hurt your virgin eyes. You must not be used to profanity. I apologize =(
Would it be more palatable if I called him a meanie no-good bad person doodie-head? He's a dipshit and a con artist, that's all there is to it. It doesn't mean I think he should be dragged in front of a firing squad, but I'm not going to rend my hair if he has to take some of his ill-gotten gains and spend them on a second copy of Cataclysm.
Oh my, you really are a douche arent you? You do also seem very upset over something that does not affect you in any way
Wow is a casual game, swifty caters to the casual audience.
So what is your problem really? Has he done something to you personally?
Swifty rips off the casual audience by taking advantage of their ignorance. He sells, for cash, video compilations that are overpriced and lacking in value. You can get better content for free on warcraftmovies.com, or for a cash fee on sites like nerdstompers.com or any of the other derivative arena advice websites.
I'm sorry you're too ignorant to understand what I'm saying, or too lethargic to care that he swindled cold hard cash out of people who didn't know that they could go to warcraftmovies and get better gameplay tips for free. You seem awfully indolent and uninformed on Swifty's moral culpability here, but I won't hold it against you - maybe that's just your natural state. Indolent and uninformed.
On July 19 2011 05:39 travis wrote: If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened. .
If the guy on stream is telling people to spam creation of hunters (i guess they have a pet, he said it himself) to spam the server into a crash, Well whats your call now?
On July 19 2011 05:44 Whole wrote: Does he save the VODS of his streams?
Yes but he took them down, My guess incriminating evidence. Theres youtube videos though, check the one i posted above. Ignore doublepost below
On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
But he didn't crash three servers. Thousands of morons did. It might not have been the smartest thing in the world to continue the event, but it's still not his fault especailly when he even tells people to stop spamming and mass logging.
Looks like the Ban doesn't do what Blizzard wants^^
So the idiots that got him banned are doing the thing he got banned over to try and get him back? Smart followers he has.
If it is true, as somebody mentioned on page 2, that this was the 3rd server he crashed then he absolutely deserves this and there is no defense for him as far as i'm concerned. If this was the first time then it shouldn't be a perma ban imo and just a warning, with the next time being perma.
On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
But he didn't crash three servers. Thousands of morons did. It might not have been the smartest thing in the world to continue the event, but it's still not his fault especailly when he even tells people to stop spamming and mass logging.
A temp ban would've been more than enough.
He organized the thousands of morons, he is responsible for it.
Just feel bad for the guy and think blizzard dosnt know what theyre doing.
If anyone or any group of people manage to crash a server of a game, by playing the game not doing any exploits, its the game companys fault IMHO. Even if its intentional.
On July 19 2011 05:41 Bibdy wrote:Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
But he didn't crash three servers. Thousands of morons did. It might not have been the smartest thing in the world to continue the event, but it's still not his fault especailly when he even tells people to stop spamming and mass logging.
A temp ban would've been more than enough.
He pointed those morons towards two more servers after the first one went down.
You've either got to be incredibly arrogant, or incredibly stupid, to think you're going to get away with doing that two more times and nobody noticing.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators.
A temporary ban would provide the same results, no? Except that now you have 150 000 less people hating on blizzard and one of the figureheads of the wow community can continue bringing in more people to enjoy your game and make you more money.
I'll have to agree with the others in that if he crashed more than one server he definitely does deserve some sort of ban, that's pretty unacceptable. I can almost see why he would try it on a 2nd server but a 3rd? That's just asking for it.
On July 19 2011 05:51 Sea_Food wrote: Just feel bad for the guy and think blizzard dosnt know what theyre doing.
If anyone or any group of people manage to crash a server of a game, by playing the game not doing any exploits, its the game companys fault IMHO. Even if its intentional.
Making a level 1 and spamming the fuck out of chat with garbage and racism is "playing the game" in what world?
On July 19 2011 05:38 LoLAdriankat wrote: They should've at least handled it the way they did with HuK borrowing TLO's account. You know, warn Swifty?
Something that a LOT of people in this thread don't realize is that he has been warned and banned (Not permanently.) before. And if you have any experience with Wow and banning etc you know they get more severe each time you break the rules, whether the incidents are linked OR NOT.
If they didn't follow their own protocol for an "e-famous" player, there would be thousands of people who would want unbanning aswell since they think they deserve another chance just as much as swifty does, and to be honest you can see why. Can't exclude someone from the rules just because he has a lot of youtube subscribers, doesn't work like that.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players.
Actually if you are good friends with Ghostcrawler he will unban your account. Happened to several high profile NA players.
That actually has nothing to do with what I said, because being friends with a developer and appealing to popular sentiment are not related in the slightest, but I like how you threw that out there and then didn't support it with any factual reference or specific examples.
" They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position."
I gave you an example where they did. Not my fault that you aren't able to infere this.
I was talking about Reckful, Pookz, Sodah etc. basically every top player since everyone botted. (while pretty much every EU Regional 2010 participant remained banned )
I don't understand what you're saying. I knew most of the top-end WoW community. I used to sit on the same vent with Reckful back before he even had Merc Glad, when he was on Medivh. I don't think he was ever banned for botting, but players who were banned, like Affix, just bought another copy of the game. I used to bot all the time, but after I got my rank 1 title, I decided that I'd get a second account just so that I didn't have to risk it anymore. I've never heard of a popular player botting and then having their account restored because their fans took to the internet - the idea is preposterous.
The bans were fairly recent. (Cataclysm) To be fair I think it was less due to public pressure that they took them back because in a botting case (and especially the alch bot which was actually inflicting upon server information which is much more malicious than pirox for instance) but more due to the fact that they just knew some higher ups, raided with them and what not. EU Players like Kalimist (who you probably don't know if you quit the game before wrath which I take from the fact that you don't know me , long time team mate of Hydra who should ring a bell), Demun, ah well pretty much everyone remained banned. Quite a few quit the game because of that. After all you are botting because you can't bear the grind, now the grind is even more immense? That's shattering for many.
That said they probably would've shot themselves in the foot by holding on to that ban. After all a lot of valuable input has been given by these guys
So apparently he really did crash 3 server in a row eh? His reaction in the youtube video makes no sense then. Is he really so arrogant that he thought he was above reprisal from blizzard for doing something like this?
The real question is if he was actually warned by a GM after the previous server crashes. He may of been stupid enough to think that crashing servers wasn't a big deal and acted out of ignorance, but if he was actually told "don't do this" by a GM, and did it again anyways, then ya gtfo.
Edit: Apparently this isn't his first warning/ban in general either. He deserves to be gone. I hope they don't cave and let him back in.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators.
A temporary ban would provide the same results, no? Except that now you have 150 000 less people hating on blizzard and one of the figureheads of the wow community can continue bringing in more people to enjoy your game and make you more money.
They'll get over it. The story of Battlefield: Heroes is an excellent case-study that reveals how fickle, hypocritical and cowardly the loudest and most obnoxious gamers really are.
On July 19 2011 05:54 TerraTron wrote: Isnt this y they have server player cap and the whole queue system? Id ban the guy in charge of handling servers rather than swifty.
Why do you post if you aren't going to read the thread? We've been over this.
On July 19 2011 05:51 Sea_Food wrote: Just feel bad for the guy and think blizzard dosnt know what theyre doing.
If anyone or any group of people manage to crash a server of a game, by playing the game not doing any exploits, its the game companys fault IMHO. Even if its intentional.
Making a level 1 and spamming the fuck out of chat with garbage and racism is "playing the game" in what world?
Yes. Maybe blizzard can learn from this and make a limit on how many accounts can be created on a server at a time or something? Or turn chat on slowmode when so many people spam?
Making level 1 and spamming, is not exploiting gaming, is not ddos. Tt is just people doing stuff they are allowed to do.
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
Why are you so angry?
Freakin relax..
Oh, I'm sorry if my harsh language hurt your virgin eyes. You must not be used to profanity. I apologize =(
Would it be more palatable if I called him a meanie no-good bad person doodie-head? He's a dipshit and a con artist, that's all there is to it. It doesn't mean I think he should be dragged in front of a firing squad, but I'm not going to rend my hair if he has to take some of his ill-gotten gains and spend them on a second copy of Cataclysm.
Oh my, you really are a douche arent you? You do also seem very upset over something that does not affect you in any way
Wow is a casual game, swifty caters to the casual audience.
So what is your problem really? Has he done something to you personally?
Swifty rips off the casual audience by taking advantage of their ignorance. He sells, for cash, video compilations that are overpriced and lacking in value. You can get better content for free on warcraftmovies.com, or for a cash fee on sites like nerdstompers.com or any of the other derivative arena advice websites.
I'm sorry you're too ignorant to understand what I'm saying, or too lethargic to care that he swindled cold hard cash out of people who didn't know that they could go to warcraftmovies and get better gameplay tips for free. You seem awfully indolent and uninformed on Swifty's moral culpability here, but I won't hold it against you - maybe that's just your natural state. Indolent and uninformed.
If someone has money and think something is worth buying, then they will buy it. Its not the person selling it that is to blame. Also, most who like swifty does it for his personality, not his "skills".
Anyways, I dont really care enough about this to continue argue with you (If your insults could be called arguing..).
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators.
A temporary ban would provide the same results, no? Except that now you have 150 000 less people hating on blizzard and one of the figureheads of the wow community can continue bringing in more people to enjoy your game and make you more money.
They'll get over it. The story of Battlefield: Heroes is an excellent case-study that reveals how fickle, hypocritical and cowardly the loudest and most obnoxious gamers really are.
I'm not playing wow for like 3 years now, but I watch Swifty regularly. Not only he provides amazing content (note: I don't really care about 3k+ rating wow movies with dubstep music) but promotes healthy lifestyle and gives back prizes to the community.
On July 19 2011 05:22 thatsundowner wrote: [quote]
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
I run a serverwide message that if people do not disperse from clumping into one zone(or whatever zone has the problem) that there will be short temporary bans for all players in the area.
If I know that the one guy is running a stream and he's the 'cause' then I issue a temporary ban until I figure out what exactly happened.
Well, you have more patience than I. I'd just ban that retard straight-up. What gives him the right to crash three of the servers I'm responsible for, and only get a slap on the wrist? It shows nothing but a callous disregard for the other gamers who's servers he's crashing. Time to make an example of people that selfish/stupid.
From my own armchair of judgement, I believe Blizzard did the right thing. Ban 1 guy. Server crashes stop. Punishment administered to the violator. Message sent to other potential violators.
A temporary ban would provide the same results, no? Except that now you have 150 000 less people hating on blizzard and one of the figureheads of the wow community can continue bringing in more people to enjoy your game and make you more money.
They'll get over it. The story of Battlefield: Heroes is an excellent case-study that reveals how fickle, hypocritical and cowardly the loudest and most obnoxious gamers really are.
I played Battlefied heroes hardcore, and spent even more time on the forums of BFH.
There are tons of obnoxious people, but I disagree with the adjectives you gave them.
What adjectives would you use to describe people that pay zero money to finance the game, scream bloody murder when they start offering purchased advantages, send hate mail and guilt-trip messages to the developers' personal email addresses, threaten to quit all over the place and then wind up paying much more than the average player towards the game once the dust settles?
I'd say cowardly (threaten to quit, but don't), fickle (I don't know what I want, but I'll scream and cry about it now, only to get on-board later) and hypocritical (pretend like they can't afford to play the game if it goes into a purchased model only to become some of the highest-paying customers in the end) are pretty damned accurate.
The human cry when he was reading the chat was that edited or was it there originally? fitted really well. I've played wow quite alot and seen some of his vids and its sad that he gets banned, not that I liked him but he didnt really deserve it tbh
On July 19 2011 05:36 travis wrote: thatsundowner: I agree with you if he was warned by a GM. Is there some sort of proof of that, how do you know he was?
all we have is people who claimed to be watching the stream and saw gm messages in his chatlog warning him. we have no concrete proof that he was warned, but we have no proof that he wasn't, either.
If this is true and he was warned he should definatelly be banned. It's obvious he knew he was harming a lot of people by crashing the servers, wether it was directly his fault or not, he had the power to stop it, he was asked to stop it, and shouldn't be surprised by the ban if he didn't follow what the GM said.
If that is actually not true, it's a lot more complicated. I definatelly think doing something that you know will crash the server is a dick move and should be punishable no matter what, but maybe a perma ban was too much. Still, I don't know why he would take the videos down if he was completelly innocent and I believe there is a good possibility a GM actually contacted him.
Ok just to make this clear I'm not trying to be a jerk, but... I actually laughed a bit when he was reading his ban and someone in the background was /crying.
I never heard of this guy before, but I think this may be the best thing to happen to him.
The reason being is I don't care about this game, but if I hear this type of news I'm sure countless other people will hear about it. Looking at various sites, this is ALL OVER the internet and he is getting so much damn publicity for this. His viewership will immediately increase and the outpouring of support is taking his e-fame to another level.
While it may not be clear whether he will get his account reinstated, he has a lot on his plate.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
You're damned right you ban that idiot.
It's not an uncommon occurrence on WoW and they have several other tools they can use to stop it, such as halting logins. Spamming chat isn't going to do anything, it's just a bunch of people logging into a server with level 1s. Any time anyone important kills anything, that shit happens.
If he didn't adhere to warnings, they have temporary bans they would usually use next. I don't know his entire history though, but the response seems disproportionate for what was actually done.
Either way, in 6 months they'll unban the account and beg him to resubscribe.
For people who don't play WoW, server crashes (login, world, instance) happen fairly often. Usually not from this type of thing, but it's not the same thing as if SC2's Bnet went down for an hour. Most people come to expect some sort of server crash at least a couple times a week. That's why it doesn't seem like a big deal.
dont understand blizzards decision i mean it's a game guys we all can understand that ppl in real live have to be punished with no regard to there popularity but this is just a fucking game and his a big person in the community . A hope Blizzard will fix it dont think its gone happen cuz blizzard sucks dicks feel so sorry for swifty i know how this feels even it wasnt perma ban for me
On July 19 2011 06:39 AlBundy wrote: lol pvp warrior Also what prevents him from getting a new account and starting from scratch?
Nothing's stopping him, however he loses everything he has done in the past 6 years on his old account, all the novelty items, all the titles, all the achievements, all the gear and most importantly all the time.
On July 19 2011 06:39 AlBundy wrote: Also what prevents him from getting a new account and starting from scratch?
Absolutely nothing.
If Blizzard were really keen on stopping him, they could obviously discern who he was from the YT videos and everthing, but they've never cared/done that before. Most people who get banned just get another account.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
You're damned right you ban that idiot.
It's not an uncommon occurrence on WoW and they have several other tools they can use to stop it, such as halting logins. Spamming chat isn't going to do anything, it's just a bunch of people logging into a server with level 1s. Any time anyone important kills anything, that shit happens.
If he didn't adhere to warnings, they have temporary bans they would usually use next. I don't know his entire history though, but the response seems disproportionate for what was actually done.
Either way, in 6 months they'll unban the account and beg him to resubscribe.
I dunno, it seems to me like banning one guy was a pretty effective method of preventing those several thousand from jumping to another server to crash it. Chopping the head off the snake, so to speak. Sure, a temp ban would have been just as effective at stopping it, but I think the punishment fits the crime quite well. Nobody has the right to go around screwing up thousands of other gamers play time, crashing servers, just for a laugh, or a competition or whatever silly excuse you want to come up with. Least of which THREE times in a row. An example should be made of.
On July 19 2011 06:39 AlBundy wrote: lol pvp warrior Also what prevents him from getting a new account and starting from scratch?
Nothing, but when you have like 600 played day in you char, you don't feel like to start from scratch.
Maybe this is a blessing in disguise for the guy, then. I'm pretty certain he's far too invested in the game, and his sponsor, for regular income to stop at a little road bump like this, though.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
You're damned right you ban that idiot.
It's not an uncommon occurrence on WoW and they have several other tools they can use to stop it, such as halting logins. Spamming chat isn't going to do anything, it's just a bunch of people logging into a server with level 1s. Any time anyone important kills anything, that shit happens.
If he didn't adhere to warnings, they have temporary bans they would usually use next. I don't know his entire history though, but the response seems disproportionate for what was actually done.
Either way, in 6 months they'll unban the account and beg him to resubscribe.
I dunno, it seems to me like banning one guy was a pretty effective method of preventing those several thousand from jumping to another server to crash it. Chopping the head off the snake, so to speak. Sure, a temp ban would have been just as effective at stopping it, but I think the punishment fits the crime quite well. Nobody has the right to go around screwing up thousands of other gamers play time, crashing servers, just for a laugh, or a competition or whatever silly excuse you want to come up with. Least of which THREE times in a row. An example should be made of.
If the ban was just for an example, I'd love to see the thousands of participants who actually caused the damaged to be punished as well. This is not something out of Blizzard's reach. As a matter of fact, it'd probably be really easy for them.
Why scare the 3 guys who could make this happen again when you can scare the 12,000,000 people who would participate in it?
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
You're damned right you ban that idiot.
It's not an uncommon occurrence on WoW and they have several other tools they can use to stop it, such as halting logins. Spamming chat isn't going to do anything, it's just a bunch of people logging into a server with level 1s. Any time anyone important kills anything, that shit happens.
If he didn't adhere to warnings, they have temporary bans they would usually use next. I don't know his entire history though, but the response seems disproportionate for what was actually done.
Either way, in 6 months they'll unban the account and beg him to resubscribe.
I dunno, it seems to me like banning one guy was a pretty effective method of preventing those several thousand from jumping to another server to crash it. Chopping the head off the snake, so to speak. Sure, a temp ban would have been just as effective at stopping it, but I think the punishment fits the crime quite well. Nobody has the right to go around screwing up thousands of other gamers play time, crashing servers, just for a laugh, or a competition or whatever silly excuse you want to come up with. Least of which THREE times in a row. An example should be made of.
If the ban was just for an example, I'd love to see the thousands of participants who actually caused the damaged to be punished as well. This is not something out of Blizzard's reach. As a matter of fact, it'd probably be really easy for them.
Why scare the 3 guys who could make this happen again when you can scare the 12,000,000 people who would participate in it?
There's a lot of effort involved in that. You'd have to filter out all of the people that were legitimately in the zone from the ones that weren't (some might have had mains on the servers chosen and joined the ride, so it wouldn't necessarily be only the ones that made new characters), because banning a bunch of legitimate players for the actions of others could cause a lot more flak. Too risky. Banning one guy ends it, and sends a message to other potential leaders of such things.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
You're damned right you ban that idiot.
It's not an uncommon occurrence on WoW and they have several other tools they can use to stop it, such as halting logins. Spamming chat isn't going to do anything, it's just a bunch of people logging into a server with level 1s. Any time anyone important kills anything, that shit happens.
If he didn't adhere to warnings, they have temporary bans they would usually use next. I don't know his entire history though, but the response seems disproportionate for what was actually done.
Either way, in 6 months they'll unban the account and beg him to resubscribe.
I dunno, it seems to me like banning one guy was a pretty effective method of preventing those several thousand from jumping to another server to crash it. Chopping the head off the snake, so to speak. Sure, a temp ban would have been just as effective at stopping it, but I think the punishment fits the crime quite well. Nobody has the right to go around screwing up thousands of other gamers play time, crashing servers, just for a laugh, or a competition or whatever silly excuse you want to come up with. Least of which THREE times in a row. An example should be made of.
If the ban was just for an example, I'd love to see the thousands of participants who actually caused the damaged to be punished as well. This is not something out of Blizzard's reach. As a matter of fact, it'd probably be really easy for them.
Why scare the 3 guys who could make this happen again when you can scare the 12,000,000 people who would participate in it?
There's a lot of effort involved in that. You'd have to filter out all of the people that were legitimately in the zone from the ones that weren't (some might have had mains on the servers chosen and joined the ride, so it wouldn't necessarily be only the ones that made new characters), because banning a bunch of legitimate players for the actions of others could cause a lot more flak. Too risky. Banning one guy ends it, and sends a message to other potential leaders of such things.
Well, it didn't stop anything and it's kind of two faced form Blizzard. They love the kind of "events" Swifty got banned for, they just don't want it at that size.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
You're damned right you ban that idiot.
It's not an uncommon occurrence on WoW and they have several other tools they can use to stop it, such as halting logins. Spamming chat isn't going to do anything, it's just a bunch of people logging into a server with level 1s. Any time anyone important kills anything, that shit happens.
If he didn't adhere to warnings, they have temporary bans they would usually use next. I don't know his entire history though, but the response seems disproportionate for what was actually done.
Either way, in 6 months they'll unban the account and beg him to resubscribe.
I dunno, it seems to me like banning one guy was a pretty effective method of preventing those several thousand from jumping to another server to crash it. Chopping the head off the snake, so to speak. Sure, a temp ban would have been just as effective at stopping it, but I think the punishment fits the crime quite well. Nobody has the right to go around screwing up thousands of other gamers play time, crashing servers, just for a laugh, or a competition or whatever silly excuse you want to come up with. Least of which THREE times in a row. An example should be made of.
If the ban was just for an example, I'd love to see the thousands of participants who actually caused the damaged to be punished as well. This is not something out of Blizzard's reach. As a matter of fact, it'd probably be really easy for them.
Why scare the 3 guys who could make this happen again when you can scare the 12,000,000 people who would participate in it?
There's a lot of effort involved in that. You'd have to filter out all of the people that were legitimately in the zone from the ones that weren't (some might have had mains on the servers chosen and joined the ride, so it wouldn't necessarily be only the ones that made new characters), because banning a bunch of legitimate players for the actions of others could cause a lot more flak. Too risky. Banning one guy ends it, and sends a message to other potential leaders of such things.
Blizzard has chat logs of everything said in every zone, in every channel, on every server. I don't think it would be too difficult for a multi-billion dollar corporation to figure out how to get a list of names of players who were participating in the event, and especially those who were spamming and spewing racism etc..
On July 19 2011 05:22 thatsundowner wrote: [quote]
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
Common sense alone tells you not to crash 3 servers in a row. This guy obviously had himself a major ego trip, thinking himself invincible due to his celebrity status, assuming that Blizzard wouldn't take action.
No bleeding hearts for the people who just want to play their video game, losing playtime because some douchebag causes mass-logins.
I went and checked those parts of the eula out
the zone/area disruption says:
This category includes language and/or actions intended to disturb groups of players or areas of the world,
I think the key word here is "intended", which clearly this guy did not intend to do so (why would he?)
You're a technician on-call, and responsible for the working-status, of one of Blizzard's server farms over the weekend.
You just got a call from someone on-site telling you that 'some guy' organized three separate incidents of mass-zone-spamming, that each crashed a different server, all in a short space of time.
You've got thousands of paying customers complaining that servers are going down and you have no idea if the situation is a malicious attack, a harmless prank, or whatever. You have to make a decision now, that will stop these server crashes.
What do you do?
You're damned right you ban that idiot.
It's not an uncommon occurrence on WoW and they have several other tools they can use to stop it, such as halting logins. Spamming chat isn't going to do anything, it's just a bunch of people logging into a server with level 1s. Any time anyone important kills anything, that shit happens.
If he didn't adhere to warnings, they have temporary bans they would usually use next. I don't know his entire history though, but the response seems disproportionate for what was actually done.
Either way, in 6 months they'll unban the account and beg him to resubscribe.
I dunno, it seems to me like banning one guy was a pretty effective method of preventing those several thousand from jumping to another server to crash it. Chopping the head off the snake, so to speak. Sure, a temp ban would have been just as effective at stopping it, but I think the punishment fits the crime quite well. Nobody has the right to go around screwing up thousands of other gamers play time, crashing servers, just for a laugh, or a competition or whatever silly excuse you want to come up with. Least of which THREE times in a row. An example should be made of.
If the ban was just for an example, I'd love to see the thousands of participants who actually caused the damaged to be punished as well. This is not something out of Blizzard's reach. As a matter of fact, it'd probably be really easy for them.
Why scare the 3 guys who could make this happen again when you can scare the 12,000,000 people who would participate in it?
There's a lot of effort involved in that. You'd have to filter out all of the people that were legitimately in the zone from the ones that weren't (some might have had mains on the servers chosen and joined the ride, so it wouldn't necessarily be only the ones that made new characters), because banning a bunch of legitimate players for the actions of others could cause a lot more flak. Too risky. Banning one guy ends it, and sends a message to other potential leaders of such things.
Blizzard has chat logs of everything said in every zone, in every channel, on every server. I don't think it would be too difficult for a multi-billion dollar corporation to figure out how to get a list of names of players who were participating in the event, and especially those who were spamming and spewing racism etc..
Maybe they're working on it, maybe they aren't. Who's to say? Didn't this just happen this weekend? I'd hate to be the guy that just got in this Monday morning and was told to go through the logs to get the names of all those folks.
I just think it's a futile gesture at this point. A pretty clear, stern message has been sent out to the perpetrators. If they're stupid enough to set up another one (which they seem to be, what with the spamming going on to get the guy back), then I think they'll be more likely to take action against them.
On July 19 2011 04:45 Sernyl wrote: Did you people even watch the live stream event before posting?...
Who cares? Swifty is scum, and WoW is better off without him. Of course, he'll just dip into the huge pile of money he made from ripping newbies off and he'll buy another copy of the game. You can take a Warrior 1-80 in about 3 days, so all this sympathy for him is total farce.
first of all its 85 and if you dont like WoW or dont care about it why do you go on this thread ?!
lmao i can understand why blizz did this in a way. But saying that crashing it is unexcusable is a bit funny. So what? a few 12 year old nerds shouted to their moms from the basement that the computer was broken. Might introduce some people to this thing we call daylight :p
id be pretty miffed if this happened to SC2 during a ladder session, but i wouldnt be pissed at the person that did it, id just get on with my life and realise i can come back and play this video game in a few hours or something.
does suck for him though, especially if he didnt mean it. I hope he gets apologies from everyone of his 'fans' that caused thi
Well he has gone downwards in his videos after the incredible swifty vids and is nowadays mostly just razer ad random pvp vid razer ad win razer by thumbs up fav. Kinda meh but would suck to be him if I liked wow as much as him. Tho now he can go and do more sports!
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
There's a huge fucking difference.
1) IdrA's original 2 day ban was apparently over calling CrunCher a "waste of life" on his fan page.
2) Swifty's permaban was over a Razer livestreaming event crashing a realm 3 times because level 1s were spamming excessively and crashing it. Apparently, according to stories, it was a guildmate called Zybak who may have provoked the spamming. Swifty had in-fact discouraged it on the livestream. There's proof even in the video the OP linked.
3) IdrA's ban was extended to 90 days because he told his followers to PM Chill about how they felt about his two day suspension, resulting in a lot of undeserved hate-mail. TL only extended his ban after they found crystal clear that IdrA had actually provoked the hate-PMs towards Chill maliciously. Swifty did no such thing to provoke the triple server crash....
To put it bluntly, IdrA's motives were more malicious than Swifty's. Besides, it was apparently Zybak, not Swifty who encouraged the spamming that likely crashed the realm 3 times.
They guy's been banned and warned before and goes on crashing servers three times. Even if he didn't intend to crash them, if you don't get the message after the second crash you're god damn stupid and deserves whatever e-penalty they decide on. Good call.
Disingenuous OP aswell, only telling one part of the story.
On July 19 2011 04:32 shawster wrote: as much as i hate him for being bad/making videos or w/e (he's the rwj of WoW) this shouldn't have happened to him.
i don't think his intention was to purposely crash servers. if it was then well i guess he deserves it. if he gets banned i don't really think it'll affect him much, he'll grind another war back to 85 in a week and be geared in like 2 months.
If I were him, I'd just start a WoW boycott and focus on other games on my channel, like Starcraft II (even if it's the same company) or a non-Blizzard related game.
I think a figure as significant as him in the WoW community could do some major damage to the so called 'unkillable MMO'
"My Blizzard Masters, we still have thousands upon thousands of gold farmers, regular users have access to grind, level and fish bots for free and some are even undetectable. But we did ban Swifty.
Man that video was really sad, I can't belive it, I would think that if he talk to blizzard he could get them to just give him a suspenston of somthing. Like a warning don't do that again or we will ban you.
Cuz hes Athene best gamer in the world with broccoli soup
While I support Athene being a good samaritan about the whole thing, and agreeing with his point of view that Swifty got banned for pretty much doing nothing wrong, I don't think helping Swifty get his level 85 character, gear and rating back from grinding on a new account is going to teach Blizzard a lesson to not ban people for retarded reasons.
And by 'retarded reasons', I mean Swifty didn't maliciously intend it.
EDIT: Looks like his permaban has provoked others to try and crash Blizzard's servers.
Well, I think this is just more evidence that Blizzard's customer support has turned to rubbish.
I highly doubt they will unban him they're pretty unwavering when they hand our perma-bans, regardless of the circumstances, which is stupid because the whole thing is recorded and they have all the information they need to make a fair decision, yet will refuse to.
If it had been anyone else blizzard's respone would have been completely appropriate. Crashing three servers in a row is obviously a bannable trangression. However, there are a few things that should be considered in Swifty's case:
1. he's been playing for 6 years, and has previously caused zero problems 2. he's contributed a lot to a large number of WoW players 3. his intentions were not malicious; he wanted to hold a fun event and wasn't thinking straight
Still, I have to admire blizzard's balls to know that his fanbase would backlash so hard and still decide to ban him. I just think a suspension would have been more appropriate in this situation.
This is nonsense. Blizzard allows X people to log onto a server, then allow Y messages to be sent, which causes a crash. Whose fault is that now?
Learn what your servers can handle, and take appropriate precautions. Its not this dudes fault that WoW servers are unstable.
EDIT:
3. his intentions were not malicious; he wanted to hold a fun event and wasn't thinking straight
THIS. How many other blogs/groups do the same thing weekly? WOW Insider's It Came from the Blog events come to mind. Here is your ban cause you had too many follower/friends? Shitty!
On July 19 2011 07:25 Sententia wrote: If it had been anyone else blizzard's respone would have been completely appropriate. Crashing three servers in a row is obviously a bannable trangression. However, there are a few things that should be considered in Swifty's case:
1. he's been playing for 6 years, and has previously caused zero problems 2. he's contributed a lot to a large number of WoW players 3. his intentions were not malicious; he wanted to hold a fun event and wasn't thinking straight
Still, I have to admire blizzard's balls to know that his fanbase would backlash so hard and still decide to ban him. I just think a suspension would have been more appropriate in this situation.
From Blizzard's point of view #3 is really the only relevant thing he has going for him.
It should be enough to revoke the ban by itself though. He didn't set this up to purposely crash servers he tried to hold an event and Blizzard's servers couldn't handle it. They ban him for that?
This just makes me even more glad that I haven't paid them any money for WoW in almost a year now.
This is actually like...beyond moronic. Hey, play our game that encourages you to play with other people...but don't have so many people want to play with you that our equipment can't compensate.
It's very disappointing to see something like this. It just goes to show that blizzard really does not give a shit at all. Pretty soon they will be banning people from SC2 for playing too many games or some bull shit.
er, getting banned really doesn't matter at all anymore - take a couple of weeks for him to relevel and regrind rating and gear >_> Might be worth kicking up a stink over back in the hwl days if he got banned and lost hwl rank (like funhoofs did because an opposing guild got him falsely banned so they could boost one of their ppl to hwl) all a big hoopla over nothing.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
There's a huge fucking difference.
1) IdrA's original 2 day ban was apparently over calling CrunCher a "waste of life" on his fan page.
2) Swifty's permaban was over a Razer livestreaming event crashing a realm 3 times because level 1s were spamming excessively and crashing it. Apparently, according to stories, it was a guildmate called Zybak who may have provoked the spamming. Swifty had in-fact discouraged it on the livestream. There's proof even in the video the OP linked.
3) IdrA's ban was extended to 90 days because he told his followers to PM Chill about how they felt about his two day suspension, resulting in a lot of undeserved hate-mail. TL only extended his ban after they found crystal clear that IdrA had actually provoked the hate-PMs towards Chill maliciously. Swifty did no such thing to provoke the triple server crash....
To put it bluntly, IdrA's motives were more malicious than Swifty's. Besides, it was apparently Zybak, not Swifty who encouraged the spamming that likely crashed the realm 3 times.
Do you have an exact quote word for word? Since you did use "malicious"...
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
There's a huge fucking difference.
1) IdrA's original 2 day ban was apparently over calling CrunCher a "waste of life" on his fan page.
2) Swifty's permaban was over a Razer livestreaming event crashing a realm 3 times because level 1s were spamming excessively and crashing it. Apparently, according to stories, it was a guildmate called Zybak who may have provoked the spamming. Swifty had in-fact discouraged it on the livestream. There's proof even in the video the OP linked.
3) IdrA's ban was extended to 90 days because he told his followers to PM Chill about how they felt about his two day suspension, resulting in a lot of undeserved hate-mail. TL only extended his ban after they found crystal clear that IdrA had actually provoked the hate-PMs towards Chill maliciously. Swifty did no such thing to provoke the triple server crash....
To put it bluntly, IdrA's motives were more malicious than Swifty's. Besides, it was apparently Zybak, not Swifty who encouraged the spamming that likely crashed the realm 3 times.
Do you have an exact quote word for word? Since you did use "malicious"...
You've gotta have a complete misunderstanding of the situation to think that their motives are the same in those two situations.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
Somebody seriously needs to put it into the OP that spamming chat does not crash servers so I can stop repeating this.
I am all for it being a suspension instead of a ban, but action needed to happen to get it through his thick head that his contest idea wasnt going to work.
On July 19 2011 07:37 cryL wrote: er, getting banned really doesn't matter at all anymore - take a couple of weeks for him to relevel and regrind rating and gear >_> Might be worth kicking up a stink over back in the hwl days if he got banned and lost hwl rank (like funhoofs did because an opposing guild got him falsely banned so they could boost one of their ppl to hwl) all a big hoopla over nothing.
Regardless, that's still a shit load of time he put into it. When you're an MMO player that devotes that much time to the game, your character is basically your child. You care about it, you're proud of your achievements and time invested and to get kicked out the door for something like this is pretty shitty.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
telling everyone to meet in a location logically doesnt really create any problems. to me its a lot like if every streamer decided to tell their viewers to all watch day9 and day9's stream overloaded and crashed justin.tv. i think it was just an accident that couldnt really have been forseen =\
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
telling everyone to meet in a location logically doesnt really create any problems. to me its a lot like if every streamer decided to tell their viewers to all watch day9 and day9's stream overloaded and crashed justin.tv. i think it was just an accident that couldnt really have been forseen =\
Three times. He was fully aware of them causing the issue after the first time.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
You dont need to be a technical guru to figure out after 2 crashes that you are causing the crash... so I dont get the whole "knowing the limitations of blizzards hardware" argument can even come up. Also, Blizzard has upgraded their servers a lot over the years. They even brought all of the servers offline for like a week (they compensated everybody) so that they could fully revamp them a couple years back.
Feel free to hold a community event, but if you crash a server twice dont just think, "oh... lets just do it again!"
I mean seriously... if you ram your face into a brick wall and the wall doesnt fall, do you just try again? Is that what you do?
In regards to the farmers exploiters and hackers, many actually are banned/suspended. 99% of them are on hacked accounts though because people are retarded.
PS: They are not undetectable either, whoever said that.
On July 19 2011 04:21 smallerk wrote: He can just buy another account, seriously.
Have you ever played WoW and got hacked ? You just cant do it
That was true 2 expansions ago.
Losing your account might suck ,sure, you lost all your achievements and vanity bullshit you had from having an old account.
But for a hardcore sellout player like swifty with sponsors behind him, he can just buy another account and be doing exactly the same he was doing 1 week ago.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.
I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,
Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.
I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,
Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.
You can watch one of the videos posted here to see how many there are. I highly doubt anybody has taken the time to count each individual player, but it is surely in the thousands.
Also, again... as I have stated this before... had all of the people been in different parts of the game world it wouldnt have crashed.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.
I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,
Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.
You can watch one of the videos posted here to see how many there are. I highly doubt anybody has taken the time to count each individual player, but it is surely in the thousands.
Also, again... as I have stated this before... had all of the people been in different parts of the game world it wouldnt have crashed.
I understand this, but how is it any different if new content is released and people just mass up outside the portal and cause a crash? Is it okay because it's Blizzard content?
if you want to do something fun, but blizzard's servers can't handle it, you get banned
on top of that, even if it wasn't you who caused blizzard's servers to crash, you still get banned
man, blizz seriously is just throwing away all of the respect it got from it's community lately
i love that they didn't go "why don't you stop doing this" which would've solved this issue with absolutely no problems at all, instead they ban
i also laugh at people saying "omg he can just buy another account" as if it makes it ok that blizzard did something completely stupid and unwarranted to one of the people who helps their game be better
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
Look at how popular he is, who he is sponsored by and his history of giving away a lot of stuff. True, the idea that the server would crash is something incredible and unlikely in the mind of one person, but given his popularity and how his contests have grown with more subscribers and participants, it should at least have been a glimpse of a likelihood.
I'm not saying his intent was malicious, but his foresight was lacking.
Agree on everything else you said, no need to get all huffy puffy about it though .__.
I'm confused, since I've never played WoW before...
Is this not like StarCraft or Diablo where you can just... buy another game and CD key and use another e-mail address and just go on with a new account? In those games, only your previous account/ characters are banned.
He makes it look like he's never going to be able to play WoW ever again... is this actually the case? (If so, I suppose that totally sucks... but if not, then it's probably just like forty bucks or so to start playing again, right?)
EDIT: After reading this thread, it seems like it's simply the case that he needs to put a little time and effort into a new account, so it's not really a big deal -.-'
This is beyond retarded. Hey blizzard ever think to make it so 5,000 people can't make a character at the same time. What happened to server queue? Ban one person for being popular? I am glad I stopped playing your BS game 3 years.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
You dont need to be a technical guru to figure out after 2 crashes that you are causing the crash... so I dont get the whole "knowing the limitations of blizzards hardware" argument can even come up. Also, Blizzard has upgraded their servers a lot over the years. They even brought all of the servers offline for like a week (they compensated everybody) so that they could fully revamp them a couple years back.
Feel free to hold a community event, but if you crash a server twice dont just think, "oh... lets just do it again!"
I mean seriously... if you ram your face into a brick wall and the wall doesnt fall, do you just try again? Is that what you do?
In regards to the farmers exploiters and hackers, many actually are banned/suspended. 99% of them are on hacked accounts though because people are retarded.
PS: They are not undetectable either, whoever said that.
Well... "a couple years back" or basically in the past... but not recently...
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
It's kinda blizzard's fault for not updating their servers... new xeons around the corner...
What evidence is there that their servers aren't up-to-date enough? Considering how well the things run on a weekly basis, considering they've got 11-freaking-million customers, I'd say they've got a good system going. It's not in their best interests to have service go down, nor is it in their interest to spend tons more cash than necessary just to avoid a server crash when some douchebag gets a bunch of people to spam a zone.
The idea that someone could blame Blizzard for this is just laughably juvenile.
But they did not have the adequate equipment necessary to support that amount of people in one area/region. If they were really up to date with those new components, there might not be a crash even in a MMO game where it is supposed to mean "Massive Multiplayer Online" ( They also don't maintain 11 million at all points in time...and they count them even if said people stopped playing the game. That's just a total counting from the first day of release. )
All I want to know is if the rumors about Swifty doing this before and ignoring warnings are true. Blizzard has to think about what kind of precendent they're setting with their actions. If high profile players - read as a customer - can organize events that will crash a server and leave paying customers without access to the game, then Blizzard has an obligation to make sure that sort of stuff never happens again. This is still a business, and activities that threaten the stability of Blizzard's servers have to be dealt with. Now, if Swifty really never got a warning before and never considered what might happen to the server then he's ignorant but suspending his account sounds fair to me. However if he got so much as a single warning from Blizzard employees not to pull this stuff and he still does it, all the sympathy I have for him and the loss of his characters is gone. I feel for him losing characters he spent 6 years playing with, but he violated the ToS in a very damaging way.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
There's a huge fucking difference.
1) IdrA's original 2 day ban was apparently over calling CrunCher a "waste of life" on his fan page.
2) Swifty's permaban was over a Razer livestreaming event crashing a realm 3 times because level 1s were spamming excessively and crashing it. Apparently, according to stories, it was a guildmate called Zybak who may have provoked the spamming. Swifty had in-fact discouraged it on the livestream. There's proof even in the video the OP linked.
3) IdrA's ban was extended to 90 days because he told his followers to PM Chill about how they felt about his two day suspension, resulting in a lot of undeserved hate-mail. TL only extended his ban after they found crystal clear that IdrA had actually provoked the hate-PMs towards Chill maliciously. Swifty did no such thing to provoke the triple server crash....
To put it bluntly, IdrA's motives were more malicious than Swifty's. Besides, it was apparently Zybak, not Swifty who encouraged the spamming that likely crashed the realm 3 times.
Do you have an exact quote word for word? Since you did use "malicious"...
Maybe "malicious" wasn't the greatest word to use to describe it, but look at IdrA's 90 day ban case.
Reason: A few days ago, one of our moderators (Chill) banned Idra for 2 days. After the ban, Idra encouraged his fans, through twitter, to harass and spam him on TL.
We spoke with Idra and he stated that he does not regret his actions and will not change his behavior on our forums. Thus, we've decided to ban him for 90 days. Regardless of whether he felt the 2-day ban was justified or not, we cannot tolerate a forum user publicly encouraging harassment of our moderators.
We understand that this decision may be unpopular among Greg's fans, but we have warned and banned him before about his conduct toward our staff members. We simply cannot accept this sort of abuse and insults directed toward our volunteer staff members who work very hard to make TL what it is.
Idra's stream will still be listed in the stream section. Our stream list is an informational resource much like the TLPD, Calendar, or Liquipedia. We believe for these resources to function properly, they must be comprehensive and complete and thus we do not remove banned pro players from them.
That is far different than players on a massively multiplayer online role-playing game crashing a server three times because of server overload, and because of spamming.
The difference was more that IdrA publically encouraged people to spam Chill in protest to his ban, Swifty didn't publically encourage people to spam chat and crash the server.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.
I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,
Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.
You can watch one of the videos posted here to see how many there are. I highly doubt anybody has taken the time to count each individual player, but it is surely in the thousands.
Also, again... as I have stated this before... had all of the people been in different parts of the game world it wouldnt have crashed.
I understand this, but how is it any different if new content is released and people just mass up outside the portal and cause a crash? Is it okay because it's Blizzard content?
1) Because Blizzard learned from their mistakes and doesnt make content like that anymore. 2) This is an individual that brought the people, not Blizzard. They had no way to prepare for it with the reallocation of resources.
I mean, WAAAAAY back years ago... Blizzard had the AQ gate opening event, which crashed every server (and this is before WoW was more than a few million subscribers... much smaller than the mass that exists today). Blizzard apologized and gave everybody free game time.
The first expansion had a lot of issues because everybody was going to the same area. Blizzard learned and the following 2 expansions divided it up into 2 areas and it was basically flawless.
I can't imagine why anyone would defend blizzard in this situation, then again most of TL has actiblizzard so far up their ass it's starting to spill out through their throats. I bet if any other company banned an integral part of their game's community as a result of their own problems you'd be grabbing the pitchforks. Instead there's another meaningless shitstorm that follows every remotely controversial topic on TL.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
telling everyone to meet in a location logically doesnt really create any problems. to me its a lot like if every streamer decided to tell their viewers to all watch day9 and day9's stream overloaded and crashed justin.tv. i think it was just an accident that couldnt really have been forseen =\
Did you even research anything that happened? Ive posted videos in this thread, a few videos of words FROM HIS MOUTH. "pick XXXX Race, it lags more b/cuz of pets" "Spam RAWR in chat" "Everyone make a new character and meet at XXXX And lets crash the server!"
Just a few words, he took down the VODs of the event to avoid incrimination.
Like most people who play wow and know nothing of this game, and want to get input on this subject, take some time to find out both sides. I really feel no sympathy for the guy after a few youtube videos i saw. He just made a few bad word choices, he should of just carried on with the event.
On July 19 2011 08:00 xHassassin wrote: Genius.
I can't imagine why anyone would defend blizzard in this situation, then again most of TL has actiblizzard so far up their ass i
Wait, stop there, did you do ANY research on the topic before believing only one side and now come to threat/bash the teamliquid community opinions on big general statements? My god this thread is making me facedesk.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.
I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,
Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.
You can watch one of the videos posted here to see how many there are. I highly doubt anybody has taken the time to count each individual player, but it is surely in the thousands.
Also, again... as I have stated this before... had all of the people been in different parts of the game world it wouldnt have crashed.
I understand this, but how is it any different if new content is released and people just mass up outside the portal and cause a crash? Is it okay because it's Blizzard content?
1) Because Blizzard learned from their mistakes and doesnt make content like that anymore. 2) This is an individual that brought the people, not Blizzard. They had no way to prepare for it with the reallocation of resources.
I mean, WAAAAAY back years ago... Blizzard had the AQ gate opening event, which crashed every server (and this is before WoW was more than a few million subscribers... much smaller than the mass that exists today). Blizzard apologized and gave everybody free game time.
The first expansion had a lot of issues because everybody was going to the same area. Blizzard learned and the following 2 expansions divided it up into 2 areas and it was basically flawless.
On July 19 2011 07:56 buzzkill568 wrote: This is beyond retarded. Hey blizzard ever think to make it so 5,000 people can't make a character at the same time. What happened to server queue? Ban one person for being popular? I am glad I stopped playing your BS game 3 years.
This. That said, I'm not at all a fan of this Swifty guy, nor have I played WoW.
It's absolutely ridiculous that Blizzard would just ban some guy for what... running a contest? It's completely out of his control that people crashed the server.
It's Blizzard's fault for not being able to properly load balance their network. They did not seem t regulate new character creation, nor regulate simultaneous number of users in one area, and other things like that.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
You dont need to be a technical guru to figure out after 2 crashes that you are causing the crash... so I dont get the whole "knowing the limitations of blizzards hardware" argument can even come up. Also, Blizzard has upgraded their servers a lot over the years. They even brought all of the servers offline for like a week (they compensated everybody) so that they could fully revamp them a couple years back.
Feel free to hold a community event, but if you crash a server twice dont just think, "oh... lets just do it again!"
I mean seriously... if you ram your face into a brick wall and the wall doesnt fall, do you just try again? Is that what you do?
In regards to the farmers exploiters and hackers, many actually are banned/suspended. 99% of them are on hacked accounts though because people are retarded.
PS: They are not undetectable either, whoever said that.
Well... "a couple years back" or basically in the past... but not recently...
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
It's kinda blizzard's fault for not updating their servers... new xeons around the corner...
What evidence is there that their servers aren't up-to-date enough? Considering how well the things run on a weekly basis, considering they've got 11-freaking-million customers, I'd say they've got a good system going. It's not in their best interests to have service go down, nor is it in their interest to spend tons more cash than necessary just to avoid a server crash when some douchebag gets a bunch of people to spam a zone.
The idea that someone could blame Blizzard for this is just laughably juvenile.
But they did not have the adequate equipment necessary to support that amount of people in one area/region. If they were really up to date with those new components, there might not be a crash even in a MMO game where it is supposed to mean "Massive Multiplayer Online" ( They also don't maintain 11 million at all points in time...and they count them even if said people stopped playing the game. That's just a total counting from the first day of release. )
It costs millions (if not hundreds of millions) of dollars for them to update their servers. In addition, they lose revenue by having to give game time to people because they have to take them down for a week. Then they have to pay more costs for employees for a brief period because that is a LOT of servers.
Remember, this is a server system that demands more reliability than what a consumer might purchase... parts for them are WAAAAY more costly than us.
I don't get all the hate here. Anyone who watched IWT2 at the time it was released can respect this guy. He's incredibly manner, gives away free things constantly, and tries to educate nerds about the importance of being healthy and a well balanced lifestyle. Let's face it, a lot of WoW players need that type of influence.
Whether this guy is a skilled arena player or not, he still has produced 1v1 guides for Warrior vs as many classes as he can. In each, detailing strategies and then showing them in practice. Things like this are great for the community, as they allow the competition to grow, as opposed to stagnate.
Anyone who is seriously for this has no idea about the current state of Swifty in the community, they are sticking to their TBC logic when Swifty *was* a sellout, asking for money for his PvP videos. He listened to the community and started giving them away for free. Unlike Blizzard, he actually listened to his fans and changed to suit them, rather than himself.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
He's supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware when the server crashes once... but then he goes to try it again a 2nd time. then a 3rd.
I'm not going to pretend to know what his intentions were with the secondary and tertiary crashes. You'd have to imagine that an intelligent person would know that it was them causing it,
Do we have the number of people in the area that it took to crash it? I'm pretty curious to what it took to bring their hardware down, seeing as it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game.
You can watch one of the videos posted here to see how many there are. I highly doubt anybody has taken the time to count each individual player, but it is surely in the thousands.
Also, again... as I have stated this before... had all of the people been in different parts of the game world it wouldnt have crashed.
I understand this, but how is it any different if new content is released and people just mass up outside the portal and cause a crash? Is it okay because it's Blizzard content?
1) Because Blizzard learned from their mistakes and doesnt make content like that anymore. 2) This is an individual that brought the people, not Blizzard. They had no way to prepare for it with the reallocation of resources.
I mean, WAAAAAY back years ago... Blizzard had the AQ gate opening event, which crashed every server (and this is before WoW was more than a few million subscribers... much smaller than the mass that exists today). Blizzard apologized and gave everybody free game time.
The first expansion had a lot of issues because everybody was going to the same area. Blizzard learned and the following 2 expansions divided it up into 2 areas and it was basically flawless.
I guess your server didn't crash for Firelands?
Dont think so. I logged in the day of the patch and things seemed OK (once the servers were up). I havent really played in like a year now though. Instance servers sometimes have issues, I know that much.
Ok so indeed this looks like a big blunder from Blizzard... That's really unfortunate, I played wow for more than 4 years (I stopped in april 2010) I have to admit that it's the first time I've seen such an unmerited ban.
On July 19 2011 07:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Why couldn't it have been a temp. banned. And vice-versa, why didn't he consider the repercussions to his idea/contest?
You really think that anyone goes..."Oh man, I hope the server doesn't crash." When new content comes out, if everyone congregates in one area and the server goes down, does everyone get banned?
If Blizzard is holding this community event or whatever, and the server crashes, they don't give one shit. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know this dude or anything about him, but it's pretty obvious from the content that's been posted that he had absolutely no intention of bringing down the server and was just going to have some innocent fun. How is he supposed to know the limitations of Blizzard's hardware? You'd like a billion dollar company would have the latest and greatest servers and would be able to handle this type of thing.
They are basically shitting all over their community. No one will want to hold a community event or anything anymore, because if a stick of RAM goes bad or something and the server goes down, someone's just going to get banned.
There's millions of gold farmers, exploiters, speed hackers etc that run amok on that game daily, and they get away with it, but this is just ridiculous. This is the absolute peak of a major corporation not giving a shit about a player or what they might contribute to their community and just shitting all over them when something goes wrong.
You dont need to be a technical guru to figure out after 2 crashes that you are causing the crash... so I dont get the whole "knowing the limitations of blizzards hardware" argument can even come up. Also, Blizzard has upgraded their servers a lot over the years. They even brought all of the servers offline for like a week (they compensated everybody) so that they could fully revamp them a couple years back.
Feel free to hold a community event, but if you crash a server twice dont just think, "oh... lets just do it again!"
I mean seriously... if you ram your face into a brick wall and the wall doesnt fall, do you just try again? Is that what you do?
In regards to the farmers exploiters and hackers, many actually are banned/suspended. 99% of them are on hacked accounts though because people are retarded.
PS: They are not undetectable either, whoever said that.
Well... "a couple years back" or basically in the past... but not recently...
On July 19 2011 05:34 Bibdy wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:29 nalgene wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:27 Bibdy wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:24 travis wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:22 thatsundowner wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
According to the message Swifty got it was 'in violation of their zone/area disruption and exploitation policies' (two different policies). Blizzard define what they are. We agree to them by signing the EULA when we login every patch. We violate them, we get busted. Simple as.
It's kinda blizzard's fault for not updating their servers... new xeons around the corner...
What evidence is there that their servers aren't up-to-date enough? Considering how well the things run on a weekly basis, considering they've got 11-freaking-million customers, I'd say they've got a good system going. It's not in their best interests to have service go down, nor is it in their interest to spend tons more cash than necessary just to avoid a server crash when some douchebag gets a bunch of people to spam a zone.
The idea that someone could blame Blizzard for this is just laughably juvenile.
But they did not have the adequate equipment necessary to support that amount of people in one area/region. If they were really up to date with those new components, there might not be a crash even in a MMO game where it is supposed to mean "Massive Multiplayer Online" ( They also don't maintain 11 million at all points in time...and they count them even if said people stopped playing the game. That's just a total counting from the first day of release. )
It costs millions (if not hundreds of millions) of dollars for them to update their servers. In addition, they lose revenue by having to give game time to people because they have to take them down for a week. Then they have to pay more costs for employees for a brief period because that is a LOT of servers.
Remember, this is a server system that demands more reliability than what a consumer might purchase... parts for them are WAAAAY more costly than us.
They also make way more money than anyone else here. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that they need to upgrade and how easy it is, because in reality, it isn't easy. It takes time, resources ( both people and money ). I am a senior admin for a fortune 100 company and we are in the process of upgrading all of our stores servers. It's a tedious and very costly process. My team is often working 20 hours a day to get it done, since we have to support the business during the day and install/configure new servers while the stores are closed.
Basically, what I'm saying here is while Blizzard has the monetary resources to upgrade, but it's very difficult time/personelle wise to implement, especially when the service you are running on them is intended to be available for 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
This is disappointing to be honest, especially considering how much attention Swifty has brought to World of Warcraft. It's not like he was intentionally trying to crash the server. Blizzard's response might as well have been, "we're banning you because our server hardware is shit."
He didn't really deserve his popularity. There are more people with way better things to say/show off in wow but he targeted the noobs in his videos and I guess that's what works.
On July 19 2011 08:18 LMPeaches wrote: He didn't really deserve his popularity. There are more people with way better things to say/show off in wow but he targeted the noobs in his videos and I guess that's what works.
So, who cares? Just the noobs. Carry on.
I assume you'll be competing in this year's Blizzcon tournament?
On July 19 2011 08:18 LMPeaches wrote: He didn't really deserve his popularity. There are more people with way better things to say/show off in wow but he targeted the noobs in his videos and I guess that's what works.
So, who cares? Just the noobs. Carry on.
Yes, Because that has never worked for anyone. I mean, Husky isn't really popular, TotalBiscuit is just a fool, and the sc2 community would be way better off without Day9 (who hasn't catered to proplayers since his early d9d shows imo). None of these guys deserve their popularity.
Edit: Sarcasm isn't always easy to understand over the Internet, so I should probably put this note here saying that the above is exactly that
I'm a little surprised at this because it seems like the guy didn't intend to purposely crash the server. I'd be curious to know the whole story because there has to be more to it. I'm guessing he might have been warned several times before about doing what he did and continued to do it anyway... I'd be really surprised if blizzard just perma banned the guy with no prior warning.
I don't really know him, but I watched a few of his vids and he seems like a nice, good hearted guy who really does enjoy playing WoW.. doesn't seem like the malicious type.. blizzard may have gone too far here..
On July 19 2011 04:26 TheRabidDeer wrote: I never understood why Swifty was so popular. He is terrible at PvP... I dont consider myself a great player, and even I beat Swifty's team in the arena back in the day.
That's terrible. Was hosting a tournament against the ToS or something?
No, thousands of people created a new character and logged in to the same realm at the same time and this resulted in the entire server to crash. This then happened several times, to several realms.
If he is terrible, you probably don't know his ranks or you expect people to be not only 1% of best but rank 1-1. E: You beat him =/= His skill level.
E2: I don't get why everyone got urge to post something about the happening without even knowing WHAT happened or WHO Swifty is. Still there's post like this, ._.
On July 19 2011 08:28 stk01001 wrote: I'm a little surprised at this because it seems like the guy didn't intend to purposely crash the server. I'd be curious to know the whole story because there has to be more to it. I'm guessing he might have been warned several times before about doing what he did and continued to do it anyway... I'd be really surprised if blizzard just perma banned the guy with no prior warning.
I don't really know him, but I watched a few of his vids and he seems like a nice, good hearted guy who really does enjoy playing WoW.. doesn't seem like the malicious type.. blizzard may have gone too far here..
People have been perm banned for weirder things. Back when the Logitech G15 keyboards came out, there was a lot of people asking on the Bnet forums whetever they where allowed to use the macro keys to play WoW with. An official bluepost on the forum stated that this was legal. A day later, several people where banned for using macro keys on the g15 keyboard...
I remember it clearly, because I had bought myself one as well, specifically to use with wow. Needless to say, that was a big waste
On July 19 2011 08:18 LMPeaches wrote: He didn't really deserve his popularity. There are more people with way better things to say/show off in wow but he targeted the noobs in his videos and I guess that's what works.
So, who cares? Just the noobs. Carry on.
Yes, Because that has never worked for anyone. I mean, Husky isn't really popular, TotalBiscuit is just a fool, and the sc2 community would be way better off without Day9 (who hasn't catered to proplayers since his early d9d shows imo). None of these guys deserve their popularity.
Edit: Sarcasm isn't always easy to understand over the Internet, so I should probably put this note here saying that the above is exactly that
I can read the sarcasm lol
I played 2v2 and 3v3 arenas during tbc and wotlk and found his stuff trivial. His arena/pvp guide are basics and some stuff has been arenajunkies forever (e.g Macros, setups, specs).
Husky casts games, anyone can relate to that, same goes for TB. Oh, and Day9 has professional experience. There is a HUGE majority of people who can be considered noobs when compared to him, unlike Swifty.
Sorry, I just don't enjoy his razer plugging videos. I'd rather have someone else make money.
On July 19 2011 08:18 LMPeaches wrote: He didn't really deserve his popularity. There are more people with way better things to say/show off in wow but he targeted the noobs in his videos and I guess that's what works.
So, who cares? Just the noobs. Carry on.
Out of all the PvP personalities to come out of WoW, Swifty is one of the more tolerable ones. Would you rather watch a Ming vlog?
OMG, what a blast from the past. He played on my old server back in the day, I remember all the world PVP with his punk-ass guild. He was never anything special, but he made videos about it so I guess that's something.
Wait, so the guy got banned because Bliz's servers weren't good enough to support the amount of people that connected at the same time? This is bullshit lol.
Loose your job because your tools aren't good enough and having them stolen from you is bad.
In the year or so of wotlk I played, ToC on the first day was by far the worst. I was playing on Tichondrius though, so being one of the older servers it's going to have dated hardware =/. My guild spent 2 hours just trying to get 25 people into the raid. Something like 3 server crashes and a lot of disconnects later, our raid was finally ready to attempt the beasts.
I'm not surprised Swifty got the ban for (un)intentionally doing it because even the capitals can't handle more then a few thousand at once.
As my as i despise this guy (ill explain) this wasn't justified. If the servers cant cope with the traffic, i dont think he was to blame, this has been done countless times before and has never (afaik) resulted in a ban.
Swifty made a very entertaining movie a lot of years back (5?), after this he got high on his fame and tried to sell the next ones (about 10$ for a 20min wow film...) (fanboys seem to have forgotten this these days). He since made a lot (and i mean a metric shit-ton of movies on his youtube channel, all offering mediocre/wrong advice to players and having the most bias opinions of all time. He has done so much dodgy ingame in the past, i think this is karma, i can post more if someone cares.
On July 19 2011 08:50 integrity wrote: i think it funny the fact that almost every fourm that i viste on a regular basis either related to wow or not are all talking about swifty
seriously.. since when was the last time anything wow related got mentioned in mainstream gaming?
Swifty fucked up man, This is what happened from blizzard point of view, first time swifty did this he crashed the server, and then got warned, he then proceed to do that same event in 3 other servers. (the event: anyone on his stream that can find him gets a prize) So shit ton of ppl spam those servers during those events, and when the server crashes, they all open GM tickets. Blizz GM team literally got over 10k Tickets in under 2 minutes. It was by no accident that swifty did this shit, he knew what was ganna happen, stop playing innocent and have thousands of his fan boys calling blizzard and whine about unban swifty all day long, holy shit man.
One of the better PvP videos ever made, back when fury was considered a build you couldn't go if you were playing seriously.
pretty sure he used to just copy whatever laintime was doing at the time lol, but yea he was interesting. I just don't see why so many people think this is such an issue
I like Swifty, but he did deserve the ban. Like it or not, the only reason they managed to get so many people was because of his popularity. Also, I don't know what's up, but why is he changing shirts so many times in that video? :O
He definitely deserves a lengthy ban for preventing others from being able to the game (essentially the worst activity you can do in a video-game, because it completely disables others from playing), and I don't think 6-12 months is out of the question, but a permanent ban seems a bit too much. I was heavily into hardcore PvP for a long time and most people involved knew of/knew him, and I don't have a problem with his attitude and what not, I just don't feel someone should be able to completely deny service to players (along with costing the company time and effort) and get away with it.
so basically from what i took from the video was that he gathered a whole boatload of people from his stream and crashed the server spamming etc. I agree with the ban, not perma, unless the people all wen't to his location on their own, so can you really ban one guy for being the one everyone followed?
Regardless of Swifty being banned or not, this event showed me how Blizzard really neglects community events. It's true that what Swifty did leave a huge mess of Blizzards side, however the perma-banned sends a message that no one should ever do such community events like this ever again. Instead of showing gamers how to have fun responsibly, they just lock everyone up and kick them out of the party.
Always sucks to see this happen to someone. Obviously he didn't mean to.. People go too far with bans IMO, GM wanted a big promotion. Edit: wow reading through these comments. Absolutely retarded, Grow up people..
This is honestly just fucking pathetic. Swifty mass promotes Blizzard's game by spreading it across youtube and live streams, has probably recruited hundreds if not thousands of people to the game. Now he's permabanned for organizing a live event which continued to promote the game, it also happened to crash one of Blizzard's servers because they apparently can't afford good enough servers to handle that many people despite making hundreds of millions of dollars off of wow subs and game sales.
On July 19 2011 10:16 Z3kk wrote: So can he or can he not just buy another account? o_o
Yes he can just buy another account and already has many other accounts
First you have to buy the game. Then you have to buy the first expansion. Then you have to buy the second expansion. Then you have to buy the third expansion. Now you can play the game.
Don't forget gamecard(s).
Well yeah and keep subscribing. Point being "ROFL BUY ANOTHER ACCOUNT NOOB" is a lot heavier in WoW.
Yeah sure, but for a populair guy with a bunch of subscribers on Youtube it really shouldn't be a problem (Money wise) Losing all chars achivements (FOTS especially) really gotta suck tho
I find him very annoying personally, but this is a terrible decision by Blizzard. Do they realize how many people he brings to WoW with his subscription base? It's free advertising. Why does this always seem to happen, companies just don't get it man..
It's blizzards fault for not having a cut-off limit on the amount of players that can logon on one server. Why wasnt there a login queue of some sort implemented when the server reaches capacity? It's just another way for blizzard to not admit fault and pass the blame without getting their hands dirty or taking responsibility for poor prep and not taking the proper precautions if an event of this magnitude were to ever occur.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
OMFG SIR, you are disgusting beyond belief. They had NO intention in crashing the server. They had no intention in harming ANYONE. they just wanted to have some fun together with 1000 people. They did nothing wrong at all. You better learn to think or go out some times, because you are socially more than awkward, just from what I can read in your post.
Calm down lol. Apparently he crashed the server more than once. It's blizzard's game to do with what they like, if he broke the TOS somehow then they are well within their rights to ban him.
It doesn't mean they're morally justified in doing it considering the amount of promotion Swifty's done over the years for the game. Just because they can doesn't mean people should be ok with them doing it. Also, how is it against the ToS to tell people to log onto the game?
On July 19 2011 10:46 thane wrote: I just cant believe the drop hacking scandal goes on for like 7 days+ and this guy does 1 thing and hes gone lol.
Yeah, I totally agree, llololol, since there was only 1 guy drophacking, it shouldn't have been so long, lolololol, I mean, it's not like there was hundreds of people drophacking......
On July 19 2011 10:35 Xevious wrote: This is honestly just fucking pathetic. Swifty mass promotes Blizzard's game by spreading it across youtube and live streams, has probably recruited hundreds if not thousands of people to the game. Now he's permabanned for organizing a live event which continued to promote the game, it also happened to crash one of Blizzard's servers because they apparently can't afford good enough servers to handle that many people despite making hundreds of millions of dollars off of wow subs and game sales.
There's a difference between "good enough servers" and "servers that can handle thousands of new people making new characters and spamming the chat ALL AT ONCE." No server can fucking handle that. None.
It'd be one thing if he did this once. I remember a time back when Horde was attacking Ironforge, so some guy had everyone in the area make a level one mage and spam "Conjure Water" or whatever it's called in the king's chamber. It spammed out the server and it crashed. So the world reset, and the Horde would have had to fight their way there all over again. They did that once, then went about their day.
This guy did it how many times? Three? The first time would have been a "Oh shit, we did that. Shouldn't do it again" type of thing. But he probably laughed, then said "Well, let's try again" and did it two more times. That goes beyond an accident and into purposefully screwing with WoW's servers for the lulz. Dude should have known better.
And 150,000 subscribers is what percentage out of the 7 million currently subscribed? I know not one of my friends even know who he is. He had a following, but if you go ask a random server in Trade Chat "Hey, who's Swifty," the odds you'd get more than twenty people saying they know him are insanely low. It sounds like some guy who got sponsored by Razer got stupid, and so the vocal minority are raising hell over it. You know what? He was being stupid. It's the same thing when a kid breaks his leg by jumping from the ceiling of his house. You'd say "Well, kid was being stupid. Take him to the hospital." Swifty was being stupid, ban his ass.
And saying "it's safe to say" that he makes his living off of this is hilarious. We don't know how much Razer is paying him, and we don't know how much Youtube is paying him for his cut of the ad revenue from those subscribers. Dude could be an investment banker for all we know and works from home. No need for assumptions.
On July 19 2011 10:16 Z3kk wrote: So can he or can he not just buy another account? o_o
Yes he can just buy another account and already has many other accounts
First you have to buy the game.
Then you have to buy the first expansion.
Then you have to buy the second expansion.
Then you have to buy the third expansion.
Now you can play the game.
They've bundled all of that together by now. He'd have to pay full price for Cata probably, but you can basically upgrade from Vanilla-->BC-->WOTLK for probably 50 bucks. They'd get 100 bucks from him that they didn't have before. Are you really trying to make that argument?
On July 19 2011 10:41 m2e wrote: It's blizzards fault for not having a cut-off limit on the amount of players that can logon on one server. Why wasnt there a login queue of some sort implemented when the server reaches capacity? It's just another way for blizzard to not admit fault and pass the blame without getting their hands dirty or taking responsibility for poor prep and not taking the proper precautions if an event of this magnitude were to ever occur.
They have had that for almost all of the entire life of WoW.
The problem is number of people logged into the same game space. A server can easily hold 5k people in separate lands but when all of them are in the same spot the amount of traffic that gets multiplied (geometrically) is beyond the limitations of modern technology.
"Get good enough servers" does not apply here because it has yet to be invented.
On July 19 2011 10:35 Xevious wrote: This is honestly just fucking pathetic. Swifty mass promotes Blizzard's game by spreading it across youtube and live streams, has probably recruited hundreds if not thousands of people to the game. Now he's permabanned for organizing a live event which continued to promote the game, it also happened to crash one of Blizzard's servers because they apparently can't afford good enough servers to handle that many people despite making hundreds of millions of dollars off of wow subs and game sales.
On July 19 2011 10:35 Xevious wrote: This is honestly just fucking pathetic. Swifty mass promotes Blizzard's game by spreading it across youtube and live streams, has probably recruited hundreds if not thousands of people to the game. Now he's permabanned for organizing a live event which continued to promote the game, it also happened to crash one of Blizzard's servers because they apparently can't afford good enough servers to handle that many people despite making hundreds of millions of dollars off of wow subs and game sales.
There's a difference between "good enough servers" and "servers that can handle thousands of new people making new characters and spamming the chat ALL AT ONCE." No server can fucking handle that. None.
It'd be one thing if he did this once. I remember a time back when Horde was attacking Ironforge, so some guy had everyone in the area make a level one mage and spam "Conjure Water" or whatever it's called in the king's chamber. It spammed out the server and it crashed. So the world reset, and the Horde would have had to fight their way there all over again. They did that once, then went about their day.
This guy did it how many times? Three? The first time would have been a "Oh shit, we did that. Shouldn't do it again" type of thing. But he probably laughed, then said "Well, let's try again" and did it two more times. That goes beyond an accident and into purposefully screwing with WoW's servers for the lulz. Dude should have known better.
And 150,000 subscribers is what percentage out of the 7 million currently subscribed? I know not one of my friends even know who he is. He had a following, but if you go ask a random server in Trade Chat "Hey, who's Swifty," the odds you'd get more than twenty people saying they know him are insanely low. It sounds like some guy who got sponsored by Razer got stupid, and so the vocal minority are raising hell over it. You know what? He was being stupid. It's the same thing when a kid breaks his leg by jumping from the ceiling of his house. You'd say "Well, kid was being stupid. Take him to the hospital." Swifty was being stupid, ban his ass.
And saying "it's safe to say" that he makes his living off of this is hilarious. We don't know how much Razer is paying him, and we don't know how much Youtube is paying him for his cut of the ad revenue from those subscribers. Dude could be an investment banker for all we know and works from home. No need for assumptions.
On July 19 2011 10:16 Z3kk wrote: So can he or can he not just buy another account? o_o
Yes he can just buy another account and already has many other accounts
First you have to buy the game.
Then you have to buy the first expansion.
Then you have to buy the second expansion.
Then you have to buy the third expansion.
Now you can play the game.
They've bundled all of that together by now. He'd have to pay full price for Cata probably, but you can basically upgrade from Vanilla-->BC-->WOTLK for probably 50 bucks. They'd get 100 bucks from him that they didn't have before. Are you really trying to make that argument?
Swifty is well known in the WoW community, even on the European servers. If you asked on a US server in trade chat assuming people actually respond and don't tell you to stop using trade for useless shit, I would expect way over 20.
Wow, although I never played retail WoW, I still followed Swifty even while playing on a private server. This was very sad for me and even though I watched the vid when he was unbanned, I almost felt like crying.
Probably reversed it because of all the hate mail blizzard was probably receiving. If it was some random getting banned for the same reason blizz would never reverse it.
On July 19 2011 11:16 Deltablazy wrote: Wow, although I never played retail WoW, I still followed Swifty even while playing on a private server. This was very sad for me and even though I watched the vid when he was unbanned, I almost felt like crying.
Probably reversed it because of all the hate mail blizzard was probably receiving. If it was some random getting banned for the same reason blizz would never reverse it.
ah, but some random player would never have the influence to cause the server to crash
I play wow casually, so I don't know nothin about this swifty guy, but grats to him for getting unbanned
Getting banned is probably one of the best things that can happen to addicted WoW players, good for him. So harsh from Blizzard not letting the man make a living out of exploiting their games.
And anyone saying he didn't intend to crash the servers is BS'sing, Swifty has the played the game long enough to well know what happens when you stack that many people in one location.
On July 19 2011 11:16 Deltablazy wrote: Wow, although I never played retail WoW, I still followed Swifty even while playing on a private server. This was very sad for me and even though I watched the vid when he was unbanned, I almost felt like crying.
On July 19 2011 11:33 jstar wrote: Lol what a stupid fucking thread.
Famous WoW players gets banned all the time, just buy a new account/character like everyone does. Blizzard has their rules and policies to regulate.
It isn't that easy. Levelling a character can take a week and gearing it can take another week, even months if one wants pvp gear --- not free PvE gear from his guild. And then there is professions which can take ~30k gold to max depending on what one chooses. Then, there are achievements, super rare mounts/pets (like the top 1% gladiator mounts). Those types of things might not seem like much, but they are memories of fun times.
Making a new toon from scratch would be like losing 8 hours of code or boring essay to a computer crash. That is one of the most frustrating and discouraging things to happen in live.
On July 19 2011 11:33 jstar wrote: Lol what a stupid fucking thread.
Famous WoW players gets banned all the time, just buy a new account/character like everyone does. Blizzard has their rules and policies to regulate.
It isn't that easy. Levelling a character can take a week and gearing it can take another week, even months if one wants pvp gear --- not free PvE gear from his guild. And then there is professions which can take ~30k gold to max depending on what one chooses. Then, there are achievements, super rare mounts/pets (like the top 1% gladiator mounts). Those types of things might not seem like much, but they are memories of fun times.
Making a new toon from scratch would be like losing 8 hours of code or boring essay to a computer crash. That is one of the most frustrating and discouraging things to happen in live.
You aren't entirely wrong, but the times seem a little long. The refer-a-friend lasts to 80, so getting to 85 is like 3 days...and that was coming from a friend who isn't even a hardcore player. Honor grinding is tedious, but it is brainless...and if you want, you can get a bot.
It does suck, but gearing out and stuff isn't that hard anymore.
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I havent heard about this. Did Idra get banned from sc2 as well?![[image loading]](http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/466/wowscrnshot071811234726.jpg)
