(not what actually happened) Swifty: We are having a contest, everybody gather on this server at this time at this location. *people gather, server dies because there are too many people in a single location* Swifty: Oh, we crashed the server. Well, lets try a DIFFERENT server. *same thing happens* Swifty: Well... damn... lets try ANOTHER server. *same thing happens* *Swifty gets banned* Swifty: wtf why was I banned?!
If you cant figure out that you are the cause of the server crashing after it happening several times, then are confused that you got banned for crashing servers... you are a very special person.
It doesnt matter that his intention was not to crash them, but he did bring it to happen more than once and continued to attempt it instead of just saying sorry to the people that tried to participate. Remember, he ruined the playing experience for tens of thousands of paying people several times.
On July 19 2011 04:26 TheRabidDeer wrote: I never understood why Swifty was so popular. He is terrible at PvP... I dont consider myself a great player, and even I beat Swifty's team in the arena back in the day.
That's terrible. Was hosting a tournament against the ToS or something?
No, thousands of people created a new character and logged in to the same realm at the same time and this resulted in the entire server to crash. This then happened several times, to several realms.
What the fuck did he do that for? He felt good that thousands of people followed him enough to get them to fall to every beck and call? Seems very stupid.
lol @ people who get mad because he sells videos without "incredible high level stategic advice or whatever". jealous much?
it's a game for casual people.. people who want to have fun and ride shiny shit and collect stuff and complete quests and get achievements. maybe people just like him and his videos? ever think about that?
aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
On July 19 2011 04:38 Excludos wrote: "After a thorough investigation"..right.. In wow, you're guilty until proven otherwise.
Think of this as Idra suddenly being perma banned from SC2 for hosting a huge competition and accidentally crashing battle.net.
It's not the same at all, and what he's doing right now is almost exactly the same as Idra did to get him the 3 month suspension... IE: Getting his fans to spam Blizzard with appeals, instead of going for an appeal himself.
Idra told his fans to go tell Chill how bad of a moderator is. Swifty tried to host a huge contest and have fun with everyone.
Idra got a 3 month suspensive from a forum he has stated he doesn't care about. Swifty got perma banned from the game his live revolves around.
I'm not seeing the connection here, are you?
Swifty is trying with that video to make all of his fans send angry mails about this "injustice" Idra told all his fans to go complain to a mod about his first 3 day ban.
That's the connection to what he's doing right now.
Reading in the thread, it would seem he didn't stop at one server and knocked out a few before they got to the source IE: him.
Should he appeal it? Probably. Should he get his fans to appeal it? Not if he really wants his account back.
Swifty is making this video as an attention-magnet. He knows he has no chance of getting his account back - Blizzard, quite frankly, does not give a shit how many people object to banning any one WoW player. They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position. This little campaign he's running is just another attempt to get more exposure for his ridiculous con game, pawning off common knowledge and low-level tricks and exploits to newbie players.
Actually if you are good friends with Ghostcrawler he will unban your account. Happened to several high profile NA players.
That actually has nothing to do with what I said, because being friends with a developer and appealing to popular sentiment are not related in the slightest, but I like how you threw that out there and then didn't support it with any factual reference or specific examples.
" They NEVER go back on these kinds of decisions when you try to force their hand by appealing to popular sentiment, and players much more well-known and much more talented than Swifty have been in the exact same position."
I gave you an example where they did. Not my fault that you aren't able to infere this.
I was talking about Reckful, Pookz, Sodah etc. basically every top player since everyone botted. (while pretty much every EU Regional 2010 participant remained banned )
On July 19 2011 05:12 aRRoSC2 wrote: I like how in SC2 you have "input-limit reached", but no such thing when you get spammed in whisper and in /say in wow. I remember back in the day playing on Kazzak when there were login queues to get on the server, if Blizzard wanted to avoid server crashes, maybe they should have considered preventing spam and limiting amount of logins on the same server / players in the same zone.
there are methods to prevent spam and limit logins, but you counteract both by having so many people in one spot. the server could theoretically support 4k people, it's when you put them all in the same area that it starts to get hairy. how a game like that works is when you move or say something, or do anything, really, it sends info to the server. the server then sends stuff out to everybody around you. now you have 4 thousand people talking in chat, spamming spells, running around in circles, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's going to tax the servers far more than 4k people spread out
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
On July 19 2011 05:16 TheRabidDeer wrote: (not what actually happened) Swifty: We are having a contest, everybody gather on this server at this time at this location. *people gather, server dies because there are too many people in a single location* Swifty: Oh, we crashed the server. Well, lets try a DIFFERENT server. *same thing happens* Swifty: Well... damn... lets try ANOTHER server. *same thing happens* *Swifty gets banned* Swifty: wtf why was I banned?!
If you cant figure out that you are the cause of the server crashing after it happening several times, then are confused that you got banned for crashing servers... you are a very special person.
It doesnt matter that his intention was not to crash them, but he did bring it to happen more than once and continued to attempt it instead of just saying sorry to the people that tried to participate. Remember, he ruined the playing experience for tens of thousands of paying people several times.
On July 19 2011 05:14 Iplaythings wrote: Huge sigh, this guy was great for WoW pvp, because while he might not be top ten arena bla bla bla he knows what he is doing, contrary to 90% of WoW's population and he is sharing it.
Overall he also has alot of charisma, and if you want a reason why he is good; he is good enough to have anti fans, one way or the other blizzard just caused a huge reputation dip for him. this guy were also genius at findig weird script which had no influence other than eye candy mostly which made his hands glow etc... (except that one which made him able to charge in combat stance, in vanilla WoW). but even though that happend it's not gonna make him quit the game, if anything he will just get more fans cus of the sympathy for him now sooo. Still dumbfounded that blizzard did what they did, lol
And then he took those stupid little exploits and a couple of generic dueling strategies, tossed them into a montage and sold it as high-end PvP expertise. Which it isn't. You can go to warcraftmovies.com and watch much higher-level play, often with VO commentary for free. You can go to a variety of sites and pay a small fee to get guides on various matchups with multiple examples and full VO commentary. Or you can take your money and wipe your ass with it, because that's as much value as you'd have gotten from giving it to Swifty.
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
On July 19 2011 04:21 zeru wrote: Well deserved. Pretty stupid thing to do. Reminds me of idra telling people to spam chill on TL... kind of. They should've banned everyone participating too.
uh... those words he said at that time weren't explicit.. it was more implied than saying it out right...and those weren't even the exact wording either...
On July 19 2011 04:59 Adeny wrote: Douchebag_blizzard.jpg - make billions - no ddos protection
I remember our ironforge raid crashed their servers like 5-6 years ago. You'd think by now they would have a limit of connected users in one zone implemented. Then again with the recent sony hacks I shouldn't be surprised.
1. I dont think you know what ddos is, because it has nothing to do with this case 2. As far as I know they crashed multiple servers, which means they deny playing for everyone on that server, so ofc Blizz will take action. 3.It is impossible to completely protect your servers from flooding unless you port people do different locations ,i.e. different servers ( chat servers, area servers, etc) affected and not just one
its still sad for him tho
This is the very definition of a Distrubuted Denial of Service attack.
they deny playing for everyone on that server
How is this impossible: if (zone.playercount < 500) allow connection else port new connections to a capital city or something
Inconvenient maybe, but far from impossible.
Blizzard rolls in billions of dollars. They've had problems with this for at least 5 years.
If he did in no way intent to disrupt any service or take down the server but just wanted to have people meet up he should not be banned. It's blizzards own fault if they don't have any protection preventing this.
Really bad move on Blizzard's part. Never a fan of Swifty but he loved the game, and was really good for game promotion. Just don't get Blizz sometimes...
Why the hell does this guy deserve a free pass to crash servers, exactly? As far as I can tell, Blizzard did exactly the right thing. How many servers got crashed after the guy was banned?
On July 19 2011 05:17 travis wrote: aaaaaaaaanyways, my opinion on this is that blizzard should have warned him before they banned him, as it's kind of a special situation and it really is blizzard's fault their servers can't handle it.
depending on who's story you listen to, he was warned multiple times and laughed it off until he actually got banned.
and no, it really isn't blizzard's fault that the servers crashed.
How is it not blizzard's fault the servers crashed? If you do something that isn't a violation of the rules and the servers crash then who's fault is it other than the people who run the servers? Or was this a violation of the rules and no one mentioned it?
On July 19 2011 05:19 clik wrote: Some people seem to have personal issues against swifty in this thread instead of actually talking about the issue in which he got banned for.
haha I agree, I've been reading about this on various websites and it seems like some people have some serious issues with Swifty for whatever reason.
I watch his videos, and from those he seems like a nice person. He promotes healthy eating, going out and doing other things than gaming, etc.
I didn't watch the live stream where this actually happened, but I don't think it should have resulted in a permanent ban. Of course, I don't know the full details and maybe this had to do with past issues on his account as well, but i'm just speaking from what I know so far.
Worst case scenario is that he will have to make a totally new account, which really sucks since he has had the same character for so long, but thats the reality.
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