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On July 15 2011 02:56 Riku wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:53 Whole wrote:On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote:Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general. Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest.... Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile. On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote:
Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized I was going to post something like this, but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part. Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female. "Oh, that problem goes away if you avoid it and ignore it." I'm sorry, that's now how I like to approach problems.
Well when the problem is about "having too much (negative and positive) attention as a female," approaching it in any other way than avoidance seems counter productive.
The last one mentions that you're feminine. And a lot of your blogs are about you. That isn't a bad thing in itself, but since you make so many blogs, you created a background. So when people go into on of your blogs that is a story, they place some sort of character on you which has the attributes as the typical gamer girl. It kind of follows your blogs around whether intentional or not.
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I find it amusing the answer for any problem for most people is just ignore it and it'll go away. I just want to know when has that -ever- worked. When has just putting up walls and ignoring a problem -ever- made the situation better?
I for one am all for standing up and actually believing in something, being who you are and not trying to hide it. I actually enjoyed this blog because as someone who actually did raiding and arena I'll tell you right now I don't care if your a duder, dudette, or a self aware netbook, I just want solid players with me who have an idea on how to do what needs be done and the motivation to be prepared for such.
In short, merits over gender.
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If you have daughters, I hope you open their diaries and call them attention whores because every entry is about themselves.
Almost everyone's favorite subject is themselves, and you still haven't outlined why that's a problem. God help you if you ever read Twitter where most of the self-absorbed people on the internet exist. Tasteless spends some casts talking about himself more than the game. And please explain why drawing attention to yourself is a bad thing. Granted, iNcontroL would smash them if they did, but I don't see people giving Mora this much shit for drawing attention to his sexuality.
Also, n.DieJokes, this is the character model.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/c/c7/Alexstrasza_the_Life-Binder.jpg) It's accurate Cosplay. >.>
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On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote:
How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
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I personally thought your alexez custom was beyond awesome, and your physique to be perfect... not everyone hates 
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I still like the White Ra's cosplay more. 
I think after re reading this thread it's been covered. I have nothing more to say or summarize that hasn't already been said. I'll be dissatisfied when the discussion continues for page after page but that isn't due to gender or anything else, it's just the way TL works.
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"I got a huge crush on the leader of my "group" on the forums"
""New dr00d looking for friends." All hell broke loose. I mentioned I was female, used too many emoticons in my post, and sounded naive as all hell. People first thought I was a troll, then figured out I was serious and started trolling me! Of course, being the hard-headed and combative person I am, I just pressed on, fought, flirted and suddenly became the most well-known non-70 on the entire server. "
"I was completely hurt when the guild who was so nice to me refused to help me through Kara. They wouldn't even let me into their alt runs and didn't care at all what my gender was. I didn't understand I needed to run more 5 mans before running raids and I didn't realize how absolutely annoying fights can be when someone doesn't understand the mechanics (admittedly, they never really gave me a chance to show I could understand). I eventually got so frustrated, I quit.
"I ganked him until I got him banned for making threats about hurting me irl."
"People often complain that women have an unfair advantage when it comes to getting loot and raid spots. Perhaps if you have an unfair Loot Council system run by corrupt people! However, in all of my PUGs and guild raids, I maybe got one item because I was female. I was tanking for a PUG group and I only needed two or so items in the entire instance. I had been leading the raid when it came to describing boss fights and I was acting as the main tank. The cloak I needed finally dropped and I exclaimed excited about it, but someone else won the roll. The group told the person, "You should let Riku have that cloak, she really deserves it." They knew I was female, someone else had legitimately won the loot, but the group convinced that person to give it to me. "
Ohboyherewego.jpg
Just remembered when a guys gf threatened him to not have sex with him anymore if she won't get the Warglaive of Azzinoth.
Unfortunately, my prejudice against women in games got justified soo many times during the years of playing WoW. Of course I have to mention, there were exceptions, girls who wouldn't go around boasting the "hurr gurrrlll gamurr" slogan, they just wanted to play the games, and that's all. Those were the ones, I became good friends with, just like with any other guy. But a few people above me perfectly summarized, what I'm thinking of about this blog.
Haters gonna hate and white knights gonna whiteknight, as you've said, girls are often become the most loved and most hated people on the internet.
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I was in a hardcore raiding guild in EQ2 for about 2 years and we had about 50% women. Gender never entered into gameplay decisionmaking. If we decided to bypass loot standards to award a particular piece of loot to a female guildie, it was always because of merit and not because of boobs.
I think it all comes down to the maturity level of your guild. Almost everyone in my guild was age 20+, and many people played with their spouses/significant others.
You get big props for being a good tank though. The only gender stereotypes we had in our guild was that women couldn't tank, and men couldn't heal. Our top 3 healers were all women, but all 4 of our tanks (including me) were men, and every female that apped to our guild as a tank was terribad. DPS and support classes were split more 50/50 in terms of skill.
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Although it can be hard when there is a constant stream of idiocy coming your way, your best bet is just to ignore it. From reading your posts you are obviously intelligent and have a very attractive personality that creates a desire for people to be around you. Unfortunately there will be people who will despise you for this very reason. There's no one reason why but it can just be from some hatred of being alone to jealousy to just being a complete idiot. There really is no reason to be vulgar, sexist or rude to anyone so to worry about these type of people is silly, and to try and convince them elsewise is pointless. The worst thing you could do is take it personally.
Just keep being yourself and you'll keep meeting like-minded people. As for being a girl on the internet, the only thing to do is quote the movie Grandma's Boy, "You're a really hot girl, and you're swimming in a sea of virgins!". Of course you're going to be meeting a ton of weird people; it should be expected, but they'll only get to you if you let them. Keep it up with the blog posts they definitely are an enjoyable read!
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On July 15 2011 01:19 Chill wrote:http://bookblog.net/gender/genie.phpShow nested quote +Words: 2516 (NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.) Female Score: 2802 Male Score: 2946 The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: male! Analysis + Show Spoiler +Feminine Keywords Masculine Keywords
[with] 12 x 52 = 624 [around] 3 x 42 = 126
[if] 7 x 47 = 329 [what] 6 x 35 = 210
[not] 24 x 27 = 648 [more] 10 x 34 = 340
[where] 1 x 18 = 18 [are] 13 x 28 = 364
[be] 12 x 17 = 204 [as] 10 x 23 = 230
[when] 18 x 17 = 306 [who] 4 x 19 = 76
[your] 3 x 17 = 51 [below] 0 x 8 = 0
[her] 3 x 9 = 27 [is] 15 x 8 = 120
[we] 3 x 8 = 24 [these] 3 x 8 = 24
[should] 2 x 7 = 14 [the] 87 x 7 = 609
[she] 4 x 6 = 24 [a] 66 x 6 = 396
[and] 88 x 4 = 352 [at] 8 x 6 = 48
[me] 29 x 4 = 116 [it] 34 x 6 = 204
[myself] 4 x 4 = 16 [many] 5 x 6 = 30
[hers] 0 x 3 = 0 [said] 1 x 5 = 5
[was] 49 x 1 = 49 [above] 0 x 4 = 0
[to] 82 x 2 = 164
http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.phpShow nested quote +Total words: 2438
Genre: Informal
Female = 4506
Male = 3062
Difference = -1444; 40.45%
Verdict: Weak FEMALE
Weak emphasis could indicate European.
What is this I don't even..........
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On July 15 2011 02:56 Riku wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:53 Whole wrote:On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote:Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general. Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest.... Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile. On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote:
Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized I was going to post something like this, but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part. Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female. "Oh, that problem goes away if you avoid it and ignore it." I'm sorry, that's now how I like to approach problems.
I have written many, many, many blogs that have no mention of myself nor the fact I female nor anything about females. As for me writing gaming blogs calling attention to being a "gamer girl" (I shudder at that term), that is pretty ridiculous: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=227707http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=228066http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=229409http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=217301http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=231011Not a single one of those gaming blogs mentions my gender.
Interesting that in sirjolt's blog your second post...immediately about yourself...
Also, did you realize the irony of your statement, that you are calling attention to yourself, and then immediately two lines below that you link to 5 of your previous blogs...
yeah... 
On July 14 2011 01:06 Riku wrote:![[image loading]](http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o4/GinRyuChan/blog.png) I've just come to the realization that the majority of TL people hate me. :/ For all of the callous I've built up against trolling and haters, I'm actually oddly hurt and depressed...
As this man in sirjolt's thread said so succinctly:
On July 14 2011 01:19 kakaman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 01:06 Riku wrote:I've just come to the realization that the majority of TL people hate me. :/ For all of the callous I've built up against trolling and haters, I'm actually oddly hurt and depressed... Stop thread hijacking and attention whoring, it's so damn pathetic
No one hates you, stop attention whoring.
It's true everyone is guilty of this at some point or another, it's just that you are guilty of it at every point. This very blog and you fit all the stereotypical "i'm a girl on the internet" posts/attention whor3ing since the internets began.
Hell, you even saved everyone the trouble and flat out named this blog essentially "i'm a girl."
So...you are a girl...congratulations.
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I've read some of the blogs I've seen you've post recently..interesting reads. Nothing more, nothing less
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I find the social phenomena present in this thread mystifying and fascinating. If I was in college, I would totally write a thesis about this.
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On July 15 2011 02:27 Riku wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:20 Mortality wrote:
I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls. They also came from places like MMO-Champion. Alexstrasza was my favorite character of WotLK, should I really not cosplay her because she's wearing bikini bottoms? Admittedly, I thought my costume would fit a little differently, but I wasn't going to throw away three months of work because of it.
According to the other person I'm quoting you're an engineer. Didn't you, ya know, take measurements? Try on the bottoms before making the final cut? I'll be blunt: your slit is barely covered girl. An engineer cannot afford to go off half-cocked. That's how screw-ups happen.
On July 15 2011 02:27 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 02:20 Mortality wrote:
I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls. So imagine that you are an reasonably attractive engineering student who spent a lot of time crafting a cool costume (and probably spent a bit of time in the gym making sure your fat ass could do the costume justice). Imagine you got to showcase your effort in the perfect cosplay venue and that you are legitimately proud of what you have produced. Now imagine people calling you a slut or all kinds of unsavory things on the internet for putting due effort into your hobby. This is not hard to understand at all.
If you expect people not to comment on skin you show -- particularly if you show so much of it -- you are delusional.
If I made a Borat costume I'd expect that people would comment on it. Which is exactly why you'll never catch me wearing a Borat costume.
If you can't stomach the reaction you're going to get for doing something, why do you do it? This is why so many people in this thread are accusing Riku of being an attention whore who only wants praise and looks down on others. She made an ultra skimpy costume. She wore it. And some perceive that she wanted to be lavished with praise and couldn't stand the heat when she wasn't. I personally don't know -- or care -- what she was thinking, but you don't wear that kind of outfit if you can't take the heat.
Edit: just for the record, my opinion, I think she looks good, but it does look a bit slutty.
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On July 15 2011 01:31 OpticalShot wrote:
It's like being a guy in a Victoria's Secret outlet. Go in, check out the sales, maybe ask a question or two to the workers regarding preferences / opinions, shop for what you came for, and get out - and despite being vastly out-numbered in terms of sex ratio, everything goes smoothly.
On the other hand, if you go in and start flaunting the bulge in your pants and shout loudly to everyone what a baller you are being a guy in a lingerie store, what happens next?
This post.
The bolded part is what I will never quite understand in this case.
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I think there's something profoundly broken around the gaming society for girls to be treated the way they are. And I'm saying this as a guy.
Look at the options you have as a girl:
1) Hide the fact that you're a girl. This is just sick. Why would somebody have to hide who they friggen are to not get harassed? Because internet people are crazy? Seriously, people on the internet are the same as those on the street, just hiding under anonimity, thinking it's alright to troll on a girl they'd never approach in real life. It creats a bias in the gaming community. I never want to hide that I'm a dude, never want to hide that I'm Swiss, nor that I like pizza. So why would a girl have to hide her sex? That's just ridiculous.
2) Not hide the fact you're a girl, which leads to:
a - people thinking you're just plain stupid, good image for esports there
b - people thinking you're weak, good thing we still live on the 1800s! oh wait...I can only imagine how much of a pain it is when you just want to be yourself and every other day you get chevalresque treatement because your fragile little self must be preserved and protected.
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c - people getting a crush on you, seriously, when did gaming become a meat market? I'm very attractive, why don't I ever get asked out? Because I'm a dude and it seems that girls and homosexuals aren't as delusionnal as your average guy. Some of these crushes may be legitimate sure, but I'm quite sure the emo factor has a huge role to play.
d - people who just don't care, or at the very least don't treat you any differently than they would a girl IRL (for those who know what that means). I don't know if this is a majority of guys or not, but it definitely isn't enough.
Wanna respect women in esports? Easy, here's some basic advice:
- Don't go on about how good looking or not they are in every other thread. If you want to do that join a modeling forum (or a pr0n one if you're that desperate).
- Don't give them special treatement, they're gamers and human beings just like us (a revolutionnary discovery, I know!)
- Don't get your hopes up, there is a right place and a right time for everything, and SC2 isn't a dating site.
- For everything else treat her the way you would treat a normal human being.
I'm saying negate completely the fact that there are women and go on making crude and derogatory humour (I don't have the energy to fight that anyhow), just be civilised.
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On July 15 2011 03:23 valaki wrote:
"I got a huge crush on the leader of my "group" on the forums"
""New dr00d looking for friends." All hell broke loose. I mentioned I was female, used too many emoticons in my post, and sounded naive as all hell. People first thought I was a troll, then figured out I was serious and started trolling me! Of course, being the hard-headed and combative person I am, I just pressed on, fought, flirted and suddenly became the most well-known non-70 on the entire server. "
"I was completely hurt when the guild who was so nice to me refused to help me through Kara. They wouldn't even let me into their alt runs and didn't care at all what my gender was. I didn't understand I needed to run more 5 mans before running raids and I didn't realize how absolutely annoying fights can be when someone doesn't understand the mechanics (admittedly, they never really gave me a chance to show I could understand). I eventually got so frustrated, I quit.
"I ganked him until I got him banned for making threats about hurting me irl."
"People often complain that women have an unfair advantage when it comes to getting loot and raid spots. Perhaps if you have an unfair Loot Council system run by corrupt people! However, in all of my PUGs and guild raids, I maybe got one item because I was female. I was tanking for a PUG group and I only needed two or so items in the entire instance. I had been leading the raid when it came to describing boss fights and I was acting as the main tank. The cloak I needed finally dropped and I exclaimed excited about it, but someone else won the roll. The group told the person, "You should let Riku have that cloak, she really deserves it." They knew I was female, someone else had legitimately won the loot, but the group convinced that person to give it to me. "
Ohboyherewego.jpg
Just remembered when a guys gf threatened him to not have sex with him anymore if she won't get the Warglaive of Azzinoth.
Unfortunately, my prejudice against women in games got justified soo many times during the years of playing WoW. Of course I have to mention, there were exceptions, girls who wouldn't go around boasting the "hurr gurrrlll gamurr" slogan, they just wanted to play the games, and that's all. Those were the ones, I became good friends with, just like with any other guy. But a few people above me perfectly summarized, what I'm thinking of about this blog.
Haters gonna hate and white knights gonna whiteknight, as you've said, girls are often become the most loved and most hated people on the internet.
And you did read that I was also leading the raid, pretty much set on gear (more so than much of the group and they had personally asked me to come tank for them), and that I didn't ask for it nor demand it? Actually, I didn't even tell them I was female, but I don't really care to bother with a voice-changer on vent, and I was leading the raid, so I had to talk.
My comment on early WoW was supposed to talk about how I was an utter noob and didn't receive any benefits from my gender. I wasn't complaining that I didn't receive an advantage, I was merely pointing out the fact because I thought it was a GOOD thing and something to be noted.
Also, I'm confused about some of your bolding. What was the point of bolding the sections in:
I didn't understand I needed to run more 5 mans before running raids and I didn't realize how absolutely annoying fights can be when someone doesn't understand the mechanics (admittedly, they never really gave me a chance to show I could understand). I eventually got so frustrated, I quit.
I didn't understand the gear requirement for endgame play nor what endgame play was like. I tried to get help, no one explained it to me and just made excuses why I couldn't come to their raids, so I got frustrated from having absolutely no endgame content to experience, and quit. If someone had explained it to me ("given me a chance"), I would have progressed as a player, gotten geared and become a valuable member of the raid.
On July 15 2011 03:23 RoboBob wrote:
I was in a hardcore raiding guild in EQ2 for about 2 years and we had about 50% women. Gender never entered into gameplay decisionmaking. If we decided to bypass loot standards to award a particular piece of loot to a female guildie, it was always because of merit and not because of boobs.
I think it all comes down to the maturity level of your guild. Almost everyone in my guild was age 20+, and many people played with their spouses/significant others.
You get big props for being a good tank though. The only gender stereotypes we had in our guild was that women couldn't tank, and men couldn't heal. Our top 3 healers were all women, but all 4 of our tanks (including me) were men, and every female that apped to our guild as a tank was terribad. DPS and support classes were split more 50/50 in terms of skill.
Haha, yeah, I've found that sterotype before. However, in my old 25m, the MT was male, but both of our OT were female! Our healing leader was male and all of our healers except for one were male, too! Our female healer was absolutely terrible! Though I can't say the males always pulled their weight, we had a pretty sketchy set of healers at times.
On July 15 2011 03:28 Razith wrote:
Although it can be hard when there is a constant stream of idiocy coming your way, your best bet is just to ignore it. From reading your posts you are obviously intelligent and have a very attractive personality that creates a desire for people to be around you. Unfortunately there will be people who will despise you for this very reason. There's no one reason why but it can just be from some hatred of being alone to jealousy to just being a complete idiot. There really is no reason to be vulgar, sexist or rude to anyone so to worry about these type of people is silly, and to try and convince them elsewise is pointless. The worst thing you could do is take it personally.
Just keep being yourself and you'll keep meeting like-minded people. As for being a girl on the internet, the only thing to do is quote the movie Grandma's Boy, "You're a really hot girl, and you're swimming in a sea of virgins!". Of course you're going to be meeting a ton of weird people; it should be expected, but they'll only get to you if you let them. Keep it up with the blog posts they definitely are an enjoyable read!
Thank you for your advice and for your support!
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completely unrelated note: how do you see all the blogs star ratings? o_O
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lol at the WoW letter
dude's so crazy
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On July 15 2011 03:46 IzieBoy wrote:
lol at the WoW letter
dude's so crazy
so lonely
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