On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Not a Flash or Jaedong... she wasn't even a Backho or Iron.
Anyway, well done Riku for making one of the most boastful and egotistical posts I have ever seen on TL.
uhh.. how many people are a "Iron"..?? The guy is the first SC2 Bonjwa; and is consistently beating the best BW pros like Boxer, Nada, July like they are cake.
Hell, if she was a "Iron", that would be pretty damn impressive. Theres no one else whos as good as "Iron" right now except maybe Nestea
It doesnt matter if she isnt even as successful as Elky or Smuft, the fact shes gotten BW televised wins vs some TOP names like Reach and Effort is very solid. How many foreigners can say that past 2008?
On July 15 2011 02:21 mdb wrote: For me, its pretty obvious that Riku is an attention whore in its pure form who has no place in the teamliquid community.
On July 15 2011 02:23 Gann1 wrote: for me, its pretty obvious that Riku has a place in the teamliquid community.
-she posts a lot of blogs that generate many comments
- i like to read things
- i like Riku blogs because they provide a lot of reading material
Dude, be real. Its in the nature of every woman to be attention whore. Do you really think riku wants to teach us how to make cossplay costumes or she wants our attention by showing her naked body? I cant see how this fits here.
Why are you posting in this thread? Nobody cares about your slanted opinion. Stop littering. That would be great for you too because you wouldn't have to be confronted with something it appears you aren't interested in.
On July 15 2011 02:25 Jibba wrote: More than just being a girl, being feminine on the internet sucks. At least on TL, we've managed to quell most of the open gay bashing (and possibly covering beautiful men like NaDa and Reach has helped.) I'm glad that you haven't given up on being feminine on the internet because so many other girls I know have, but do keep in mind a lot of the people with a grudge aren't simply misogynists with women problems. Well, a lot of them are, but not every single one.
For instance, to me it sounds like you used to be a shit druid. Do you think your guild was above what you deserved? Obviously it's a two-way relationship between player and guild and they can do whatever the fuck they want, but if I were an outsider pugging with you, I would probably call you out for being a shit druid. Teslyn, a well known priest from the guild Gentleman's Club, was fucking terrible yet she had her spot and gear guaranteed because the guild had half naked pictures of her (she later moved onto a porn career.) Assuming you've graduated into a good WoW player, you can see how infuriating someone like her would be and even though the blame should be entirely placed on the idiot guildleaders for feeding her, sometimes the rage just slips out of frustration. On account of her vagina, she'll attract more fans than anti-fans no matter how terribly she plays.
Now why don't I think that applies to you on these forums? Put simply, you're a good writer and your stories are compelling. I don't look at most of the pics, but I do honestly wish more people on TL could write as well as you do.
The 'attention whore' label is basically unavoidable on the internet at this point in society, and of course that's unfortunate, but take solace in the fact that most of the people using that term haven't put enough thought into it to actually create meaning behind their words. The casual insults and 1 star ratings will keep coming, but you're not likely to face a very compelling argument against your behavior. And when those people (Kiante) venture out into the world and meet real women, they'll find that all women (and really all people) seek attention. And then they'll get married (Serejai) and almost immediately, their significant other will stop caring about their attention, and they'll go back to hating the people who seek it. It's a cruel circle of love.
As for the slutty almost-beef lips Alexstraza, I mean yeah, but that's how Blizzard designed her. Gamers love it when developers give them midriffs and cleavage, but as soon as a real girl displays them they go haywire and start attacking? That's a bit of a non-sequitur.
Yes it's unfair that if you say you're a women some nerds will jump all over you, but at the same time, you're playing an online game; there's no need to reveal your personal information to random people. Letting everyone know you're a girl won't make killing things more fun. If no one asks, don't say you're a girl. If someone does ask, say you are. If they make a big deal out of it put them on ignore and call them out for being lame fucks.
This line of thought is terribad. I'm glad there's so many supporters of Don't Ask/Don't Tell on TL.
As Caboose would say: "You are a good person and people say nice things about you."
This reply of yours made me so happy in many ways. Not only is it great to know that people can understand what I'm trying to communicate, but that they support it. And it's an honor that you appreciate my blogs.
Interesting story, I think it will develop over time. I've played games with girls before, and the more girls play the game, the more normal everything will get from my experience. Also, creeps will always exist in this world, there are also creepy girls u know :D
On July 15 2011 02:41 Doler wrote: Interesting story, I think it will develop over time. I've played games with girls before, and the more girls play the game, the more normal everything will get from my experience. Also, creeps will always exist in this world, there are also creepy girls u know :D
Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I predict this thread will go on for many more pages, with nerdy men asking for pics "or gtfo", calling the OP an "attention whore", saying "I think you're awesome" just to be awkwardly nice.
The internet actually does bring out a lot of discrimination in people. It makes me wonder what would happen if a gay black muslim posted a blog talking about being a gay black muslim on the internet. This responses, sadly, would probably not be pretty.
On July 15 2011 02:25 Jibba wrote: More than just being a girl, being feminine on the internet sucks. At least on TL, we've managed to quell most of the open gay bashing (and possibly covering beautiful men like NaDa and Reach has helped.) I'm glad that you haven't given up on being feminine on the internet because so many other girls I know have, but do keep in mind a lot of the people with a grudge aren't simply misogynists with women problems. Well, a lot of them are, but not every single one.
For instance, to me it sounds like you used to be a shit druid. Do you think your guild was above what you deserved? Obviously it's a two-way relationship between player and guild and they can do whatever the fuck they want, but if I were an outsider pugging with you, I would probably call you out for being a shit druid. Teslyn, a well known priest from the guild Gentleman's Club, was fucking terrible yet she had her spot and gear guaranteed because the guild had half naked pictures of her (she later moved onto a porn career.) Assuming you've graduated into a good WoW player, you can see how infuriating someone like her would be and even though the blame should be entirely placed on the idiot guildleaders for feeding her, sometimes the rage just slips out of frustration. On account of her vagina, she'll attract more fans than anti-fans no matter how terribly she plays.
Now why don't I think that applies to you on these forums? Put simply, you're a good writer and your stories are compelling. I don't look at most of the pics, but I do honestly wish more people on TL could write as well as you do.
The 'attention whore' label is basically unavoidable on the internet at this point in society, and of course that's unfortunate, but take solace in the fact that most of the people using that term haven't put enough thought into it to actually create meaning behind their words. The casual insults and 1 star ratings will keep coming, but you're not likely to face a very compelling argument against your behavior. And when those people (Kiante) venture out into the world and meet real women, they'll find that all women (and really all people) seek attention. And then they'll get married (Serejai) and almost immediately, their significant other will stop caring about their attention, and they'll go back to hating the people who seek it. It's a cruel circle of love.
As for the slutty almost-beef lips Alexstraza, I mean yeah, but that's how Blizzard designed her. Gamers love it when developers give them midriffs and cleavage, but as soon as a real girl displays them they go haywire and start attacking? That's a bit of a non-sequitur.
Yes it's unfair that if you say you're a women some nerds will jump all over you, but at the same time, you're playing an online game; there's no need to reveal your personal information to random people. Letting everyone know you're a girl won't make killing things more fun. If no one asks, don't say you're a girl. If someone does ask, say you are. If they make a big deal out of it put them on ignore and call them out for being lame fucks.
This line of thought is terribad. I'm glad there's so many supporters of Don't Ask/Don't Tell on TL.
What I got out of this post was googling GC Teslyn -> Winter sky porn and then being entertained for the next ten minutes. Thanks Jibba!
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
You are clearly not following what I am saying or you are intentionally misinterpreting my posts and ignoring obvious facts.
Unfortunately, I really don't feel like taking the time at the moment to defend myself against someone who is clearly bias and has already set their mind about how they are going to judge me.
Thank you for taking your time to write such a long and detailed post. I promise you that I will consider your words in the future, even if I do not respond directly to the questions you have and the points you've made here.
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this (except less abrasive), but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
Bad guilds and misogyny aside, my condensed thoughts are people will flame no matter what you do. Some are jealous, less than commonly assumed hate women. But it's the internet. On Team Liquid it is so proportional majority is a weak description. There is nothing less than a total rule of male posters here. So instead of just a few idiots, there are many. Expect that every time you post.
As far as guilds go, during my time playing WoW I ran raid/pvp guilds in BC and Cata (briefly, cata is a joke). Both times I used DKP instead of rolls and made sure no one was ever pressured and everyone was treated fairly, regardless of gender. We had a priest that started off well but once we got caught on a boss in black temple for a week she would attend raids drunk out of her mind and blather on vent. I didn't consider her gender when I removed her from the active raid roster, I just based it on performance.
I really didn't want to go there but..
On July 15 2011 02:53 Whole wrote: Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
Yeah..
If I make a blog every day about how much I love cigarettes, wine and disposable relationships I sure as fuck wouldn't complain if I received a negative response. And I wouldn't blame TL.
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this, but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
"Oh, that problem goes away if you avoid it and ignore it."
I'm sorry, that's now how I like to approach problems.
I have written many, many, many blogs that have no mention of myself nor the fact I female nor anything about females.
As for me writing gaming blogs calling attention to being a "gamer girl" (I shudder at that term), that is pretty ridiculous:
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Idra also made tossgirl cry. Hopefully that doesnt happen to eve.
And Tossgirl beating Reach made him retire, or something like that??
Look at it from Tossgirl's eyes; everytime she reads a forum like this one she reads thru 100s of pages of "why is she even playing SC, shes only here because of her looks, etc etc" and she really looked at IdrA like he was the worst player in Korea being the only foreigner.. So she cracked under the pressure and lost to him (anyone can lose one game), to her that was like confirming the doubt from reading all the bashing posts, to lose to someone who had no business being in korea, She was probably thinking "maybe they are right".. That was probably her thought-process at the time. Girls are more open to their emotions, and she cried. Big deal. Whats the difference between crying or saying "Fuck you" like IdrA did in a streamed match? both are rage, cept one is highly unprofessional and the other is just a sad side-story. Players cry all the time after losing games.
The pressure on girl progamers is so massive, you will never understand. Every single game she lost, every forum was posting "OMG shes the worst ever" and every single game she won, such as beating Reach, [NC]Yellow or FreeMura, she was met with "wow she got lucky".. It was totally unfair for her everytime, even though she put up results that ANYONE would be proud of, something that only a handful of foreigners have done (not idra in bw)
Really.. How many of the Tossgirl bashers can say they beat Reach and Yellow in a televised event in BW?? The fact shes even there should get respect regardless of what sex she is.
But to be honest, thats not because of her gender, but because people group bash on the "weakest flower of the week" since the dawn of the internet. And most of the time the mob is wrong, but continues anyways.
On the music business its Jason Biber and Jessica FRYDAY, some years back it was Michael Jackson. On SC2 it is/was Husky and HD and on SC1 its tossgirl.
Its just that those "online flavors of the week" go away / get switched out WAY slower then the fast moving RL targets.
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this (except less abrasive), but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
Maybe because... I don't know... she's proud of being one of the few who go outside of what is normally expected from women. I strongly disagree with your assumption that Riku's blog hurt the girl-gamer community, because when something like 19 out 20 gamers are boys, it kind of takes a leap of faith to accept to that the person behind the monitor is a girl. Furthermore, it's not wrong to be proud of who you are, especially if you stand out from the rest of the crowd, and it's especially not wrong to feel safe to share your thoughts about standing out in a public forum.
How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
Based on your blogs, you remind me of a lot of other girls I've met. They kind of fall into a category defined by the following: likes anime, likes video games (especially JRPGs), plays WoW/RO/Gaia Online (you are missing this last one), and are genuinely nice people but are a bit overenthusiastic (read: overly outspoken) about their interests by societal standards. I have a decent number of friends like that, since a lot of our interests coincide, but there are many others who don't respond well to it--the "bubblyness" just rubs some people the wrong way. Given that, since TL is like a microcosm of the real world (lol okay) I'm not surprised by some of the reactions here.
Really, in the end, the only constructive thing for naysayers to do is to be a selective reader. Your personality is not going to change through repeated calls of "attention whore," and those who want to call you that are probably not going to like you better by reading more of your blogs. The sooner they do this, the fewer inflammatory comments you'll get, which will lead to less attention being paid to your blogs, which will make "attention whore" a defunct title. Happiness all around.
I do wish your post count wasn't mostly due to your own blogs though. =/
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