Once upon a time, Riku was young, innocent and played too much Wolfenstein. I played Doom, Wolfenstein, Half-Life and more, and no one cared. Actually, no one even knew. Then the internet came along.
When I was 11 or so, I would venture down to the library with my best friend after school and we would settle down in front of the computers. My first addiction to the internet was chat rooms. We would sign onto "teenchat.com" or something similar (the website no longer exists quite like it did before) and pretend we were older and just talk to people. I learned all sorts of things, including how creepy guys can be when they think you're 15 years old and want to cyber with you. I ventured into that a bit, but then decided it was just too weird to try to talk about something I'd never experienced nor even seen!
After what seemed liked millenia, my parents decided to get dial-up at our house, so I moved my mild chat addition there. I began hearing of MMOs, games that you could play with other people online! I had moved out of my hardcore FPS stage at that time and was exploring JRPGs, which made these MMOs seem even more tempting.
The first MMO I played was Tibia. It was terrible. It was beyond awful! But you could play it on 56k, so it was really my only choice! I played it for a while, but never really got very far nor talked to anyone. Instead, when I was searching for a Pokemon chat I liked to frequent (no, they actually rarely talked about Pokemon, but teenchat.com had been taken down), I accidentally ran into a roleplaying forum. Admittedly, I was following Naruto at the time. It was still fairly underground back then, and only fan made subs existed. *adjusts her hipster glasses* Anyway, this roleplaying forum was based upon the Naruto world and I was immediately sucked into it. For almost two years, I wrote multiple posts daily exchanging details about fights and battles. These were huge things, probably about as big as this blog is going to be when I finish it. I loved every second of it! I was a huge reader at the time and devoured fantasy and sci-fi novels like cake when I wasn't playing RPGs or foruming in my spare time, so the chance to let my creative juices flow and paint my own picture of awesomeness was highly addictive. On that forum, I made a bunch of friends and discovered the drama of being a girl on the internet.
I got a huge crush on the leader of my "group" on the forums and used my character to flirt while playing extremely coy. However, someone of my own age that I also roleplayed with got a huge crush on me! Suddenly, there was an odd love triangle. Of course, these are all mishaps of early teenagers, so nothing major happened. I got my heartbroken a bit, drooled over some pictures a bit and spent way too much time on MSN messenger. Eventually, the forum died out and I moved on.
By this time, my parents had upgraded the internet and I found myself with the ability to play those MMOs I was so eager about! I downloaded Ragnarok Online from a private server and started my assassin cross. I was Ryu-chan, the ph34r b0t and leader of my own guild, Holy Sins. After having great fun leveling up, I got into the mid 100s and found the grinding to be a bit of a bore, so I sat around in the Clock Tower, pvping, harassing people, playing hide-n-go-seek, and chatting. I joined a few "raids" occasionally, but never was given loot priority for my gender. However, I received two donation items, a pair of cutie wings and a valkyrie helmet, from people being "helpful" (i.e. flirting with me).
After a long while, I found myself dating an older guy who played World of Warcraft. I'd sit behind him and watch him play his hunter in Kara and other raids. I was fairly disinterested in playing myself and found it highly infuriating when he couldn't see me because he had a raid scheduled. Eventually, I got him to quit! Yes, Ms. Riku-the-WoW-girl-of-TL convinced her boyfriend quit WoW to spend more time with her. That lasted for almost a year. He started playing again and I suddenly found myself interested in the game. He happily obliged and let me make a character on his account. I made a draenai hunter, screwed around a bit, and then decided I would like to play. He bought me the game and set up payments for my account.
I made a druid named Riku, and decided to go feral. Apparently, the smiles and giggles I produced upon hitting level 20 and getting cat form made the expense of the game completely worth it (or so I've been told). I joined his guild and found the people there to be much more mature and better conversationalists than my RO friends. Everyone treated me kindly and was happy to chat with me when I was online.
I became so happy about making friends in the guild that I decided I wanted to make more! I logged on the WoW forums and made a thread titled "New dr00d looking for friends." All hell broke loose. I mentioned I was female, used too many emoticons in my post, and sounded naive as all hell. People first thought I was a troll, then figured out I was serious and started trolling me! Of course, being the hard-headed and combative person I am, I just pressed on, fought, flirted and suddenly became the most well-known non-70 on the entire server. I had a sharp tounge in trade chat and was constantly being harassed verbally and by people attempting to gank me! By this time I was in the Outlands and a pro at using my druid abilities to escape. I was happy to taunt any attacker and became one of the most disliked players on the server... and one of the most liked, depending on who you were talking to!
Eventually, I hit 70 and was excited to get into raiding. However, I didn't understand ANYTHING about endgame. I was completely hurt when the guild who was so nice to me refused to help me through Kara. They wouldn't even let me into their alt runs and didn't care at all what my gender was. I didn't understand I needed to run more 5 mans before running raids and I didn't realize how absolutely annoying fights can be when someone doesn't understand the mechanics (admittedly, they never really gave me a chance to show I could understand). I eventually got so frustrated, I quit.
I already had bought Blizzcon tickets, though, and started playing again half a year later as WotLK came out. WotLK was a completely different experience. Instead of playing a feral cat, I went feral tank when I hit 80. I researched, I practiced and I pugged endlessly. I went from total noob in BC to the most requested PUG tank for in WotLK. I trolled trade chat and everyone forgot the young Riku of BC. Instead of being known as the the annoying 17 year old girl, I became the well known troll and ganker. When a guy started camping people and spamming "u bad, scrubs, go back to canada," I ganked him until I got him banned for making threats about hurting me irl.
I didn't try to keep my gender secret, but I 100% made sure to never confirm or support claims I was female. When people asked me if I was hot, I would reply "If you're into bears." In fact, one of my favorite pass times was to troll around trade chat pretending to be a gay male and hitting on people. Riku seems more like a male name than a female one.
Now, I did experience some interesting attention at times for being female, but none that really effected the game too much. Some random PUG decided to ask me to have a threesome with him and his wife, a person tried to claim I got my officer position by sending nudes, and I would get love mail occasionally from secret admirers.
People often complain that women have an unfair advantage when it comes to getting loot and raid spots. Perhaps if you have an unfair Loot Council system run by corrupt people! However, in all of my PUGs and guild raids, I maybe got one item because I was female. I was tanking for a PUG group and I only needed two or so items in the entire instance. I had been leading the raid when it came to describing boss fights and I was acting as the main tank. The cloak I needed finally dropped and I exclaimed excited about it, but someone else won the roll. The group told the person, "You should let Riku have that cloak, she really deserves it." They knew I was female, someone else had legitimately won the loot, but the group convinced that person to give it to me. Was it because I have breasts or because I was preforming well and it was probably the only loot I even had a chance of getting? I'll never know.
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So what's it like being a girl on the internet? It's like having a "hate me" sign taped on one side of you and a "love me" sign taped on the other. If you don't choose your words carefully, people either think you're being an "attention whore" or they get a crush on you. I can't even count how many times someone has messaged me and I've replied normally and kindly like any nice guy would and then suddenly tell me, "I think I really like you."
Being a female on the internet can be extremely frustrating, because people get too distracted by your gender to listen to what you are talking about. I write a blog on how to make a costume? People only fucking comment on the pictures at the end of me wearing the costume. Yeah, great, the bottoms are skimpy, now get over it and give me some feedback on the entire body of the blog or tell me how to improve the armor!
Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones. See the WoW letter I posted? No offense to that guy, but that's a crazy one. Never talked to him, never grouped with him, he just heard about me from somewhere and decided to... ask me out? What? Sorry, that isn't how things work. The "nice ones" are the people who are supportive, both in the open and in the shadows. When blogging seems to really suck and I feel like I can't bare the weight of the constant hate anymore, I get a sweet PM from someone cheering me on, telling how they are proud of my dedication and how my blogs make their day just a little bit better. Truthfully, it's those people that I want to strike up a conversation with, that I want to ask to grab a beer with me.
There is an endless amount of trolls and hate, however, especially from other females. Not going to lie, there is some sort of combative instinct natural programmed into women so that they automatically want to be on the top. Unfortunately, girls also tend to be passive aggressive experts and are quite quick to use their "followers" to their advantage. I'm stubborn, though, and, while I cannot say I am completely without that instinct, I like to believe that it can be mostly suppressed, especially because, in the end, I prefer to take an "I don't give" attitude. Sometimes it can be really tough. People are 10x more willing to tell a girl how she is unattractive, etc. I can't tell you how many comments I've read similar to the ones blah_blah was more than happy to draw my attention to:
On July 07 2011 17:43 blah_blah wrote: Oh hey, those pictures look awfully familiar...
Certainly, that costume was "asking for it," but I never expected to receive so much hate for going to a Blizzard convention dressed up as a Blizzard character. If I had decided to go as a succubus (like so many girls have before) to Blizzcon, I probably would haven't received even close to the amount of hate. My costume stood out because it was different. Instead of being complimented for it, my physical appearance was criticized by so many people I felt sick to my stomach for a week to even think about getting near the internet.
That is a perfect example of what it's like to be a girl on the internet. Anything that makes you "stand-out" is 100x more like to bring you trouble and hate than support. If I were to post blogs on my figurine collection instead of video games and cosplay, I doubt I would have to suffer through even half the amount of trolling.
Sorry, I'm getting a little off subject and too defensive. I've experienced a lot of hate over the internet for things I have never been criticized for in person, so it can get me a little riled up.
In conclusion, I don't think girls have much of an advantage when it comes to video games and loot, but they certainly get the short end of the stick when it comes to patience and understanding. I can't wait for the day where men and women are treated as equals on the internet.
For now, though, I'm going to leave my troll mask on, cackle "girls don't exist on the interwebs" anytime one is mentioned in a chat, and tough it out. People might not love my blogs, they might think I'm vying for attention, and I'll undoubtedly receive much crap for anything I do online when people know my gender for years to come, but I'm hard headed and I'll just keep being Riku for now.
On July 15 2011 01:16 Diglett wrote: if you are an internet attention whore then you gotta be prepared for anything. ppl on the internets are craaaaazy.
This should rile people up. I have a feeling I know how tl is going to respond.
I can't really see the reason for so much hate toward women in predominately nerd circles, but it's nothing new. Good luck with this post, you'll need it.
You have posted 2 very well written blogs the past 2 days thanks for sharing 2 awesome stories. I personally couldn't say I know what it's like to be a girl on the internet but I def have a very similar story as starting in chat rooms, then moving on to playing MMOs and RPGs was a real shut in and loved fantasy and Sci-Fi growing up. on 56k you could have played Old school Runescape like I did early 2000s a little late to go back and try that now.
The fact that you take a considerable amount of time out of your day to write a blog shows me that you enjoy whatever attention you get. Making a blog post complaining about said attention is sort of ironic in that sense.
That being said: You're an attractive girl that (judging by the fact that you can form complete sentences and create cohesive arguments as well as engaging stories) is reasonably intelligent and you love videogames. You're every nerds' dream girl. So fuck the haters.
It's actually a pretty interesting story! I actually play more WoW than SC2, and Cata raids have been quite fun. Do you still play?
The only time I was remotely famous on my server was during the WoW vanilla days as I'll do BGs for many hours a day. This was back when they didn't have cross-realm BGs and you got to play with the same groups for some time. I usually yelled at people to teach them how to play.
On July 15 2011 01:25 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: You have posted 2 very well written blogs the past 2 days thanks for sharing 2 awesome stories. I personally couldn't say I know what it's like to be a girl on the internet but I def have a very similar story as starting in chat rooms, then moving on to playing MMOs and RPGs was a real shut in and loved fantasy and Sci-Fi growing up. on 56k you could have played Old school Runescape like I did early 2000s a little late to go back and try that now.
Best of luck Keep writing more awesome blogs !
Yeah, I really wasn't aware of which MMOs were available to me or else I would have played Runescape.
Feminine Keywords Masculine Keywords [with] 12 x 52 = 624 [around] 3 x 42 = 126 [if] 7 x 47 = 329 [what] 6 x 35 = 210 [not] 24 x 27 = 648 [more] 10 x 34 = 340 [where] 1 x 18 = 18 [are] 13 x 28 = 364 [be] 12 x 17 = 204 [as] 10 x 23 = 230 [when] 18 x 17 = 306 [who] 4 x 19 = 76 [your] 3 x 17 = 51 [below] 0 x 8 = 0 [her] 3 x 9 = 27 [is] 15 x 8 = 120 [we] 3 x 8 = 24 [these] 3 x 8 = 24 [should] 2 x 7 = 14 [the] 87 x 7 = 609 [she] 4 x 6 = 24 [a] 66 x 6 = 396 [and] 88 x 4 = 352 [at] 8 x 6 = 48 [me] 29 x 4 = 116 [it] 34 x 6 = 204 [myself] 4 x 4 = 16 [many] 5 x 6 = 30 [hers] 0 x 3 = 0 [said] 1 x 5 = 5 [was] 49 x 1 = 49 [above] 0 x 4 = 0 [to] 82 x 2 = 164
If "said" is a masculine word, is "like" a feminine word?
"So I was like 'nu-uh' and then he was like 'yo, whatever!'"
Interesting to look at, though, Chill. Perhaps this helps explain why I have almost all male friends and one female friend.
The second link is better. It's usually right.
Very interesting. I wonder what it means by "weak" female? As in a more passive writing style or just barely feminine?
Also, since I might have your attention, I'd like to say that you have balls of steel for being the moderator that you are, and that you're a great moderator, even if it makes people get really upset at you at times. :/
It's like being a guy in a Victoria's Secret outlet. Go in, check out the sales, maybe ask a question or two to the workers regarding preferences / opinions, shop for what you came for, and get out - and despite being vastly out-numbered in terms of sex ratio, everything goes smoothly.
On the other hand, if you go in and start flaunting the bulge in your pants and shout loudly to everyone what a baller you are being a guy in a lingerie store, what happens next?
You should know as well as anyone how to ignore the trolls and haters on the interwebs... Complaining and getting defensive is just going to fuel them more and more.. keep doing what you like to do stop caring what people think... ask idra if he cares about the thousands of haters he has acquired
Thanks for the blog, interesting perspective. I tend to see revealing any personal info, even gender, online as a little 'damned if you do, damned if you don't', and I'm male. As soon as people know things about you it becomes easy for them to say 'well you would say that, you are X'. Tough to combat :/
Well, being a girl on the internet is only harder if you make it so.
From my experience, the majority of girls that have problem with their gender in online games love to proclaim that they are girls and always crave the attention.
For example : I was in an alliance in Guild Wars with a woman that would flirt with literally every guy in the alliance, would say "Spank you" instead of "Thank you" when people donated faction and the horny 15 year olds loved it (seriously, it happened 100 times per day and it was always followed by the most awkward conversations I've ever had to see). I left pretty quickly.
On the other hand, I had a guild leader that for like 3 months I didn't even know was a girl and she was never treated any differently. Why? Because she had normal conversations and didn't flaunt herself. Just another player.
The large majority of women I've meet in games tend to be more like the former (although maybe not as extreme). Why? Because those that aren't craving attention, I either don't notice they're women or I notice later and it's like "Ok, want to go kill shit now or what?"
Sorry but if you're dating guild leaders, you're out there for attention and as a player it's annoying as fuck. "Oh look, some random new player, happens to be a girl and now is in the top of the guild because the guild leader is a desperate horny fuck and she's flirting with him. Yay." Of course people hate that shit. And from my experience these people always need to flirt in guild chat or alliance chat instead of PMs. Most annoying part of any online game is dealing with that 1 or 2 attention seeker in every alliance. I have left dozens of guilds because of these people. They ruin my gaming experience with no exception.
Yes it's unfair that if you say you're a women some nerds will jump all over you, but at the same time, you're playing an online game; there's no need to reveal your personal information to random people. Letting everyone know you're a girl won't make killing things more fun. If no one asks, don't say you're a girl. If someone does ask, say you are. If they make a big deal out of it put them on ignore and call them out for being lame fucks.
You join the vent server and people are like "wtf you're a girl?". Go "get over it, I just want to play the game as well".
Not complicated. As I said, the only ones with problems are those that seek the attention because they want to feel special.
On July 15 2011 01:31 OpticalShot wrote: It's like being a guy in a Victoria's Secret outlet. Go in, check out the sales, maybe ask a question or two to the workers regarding preferences / opinions, shop for what you came for, and get out - and despite being vastly out-numbered in terms of sex ratio, everything goes smoothly.
On the other hand, if you go in and start flaunting the bulge in your pants and shout loudly to everyone what a baller you are being a guy in a lingerie store, what happens next?
victoria's secret is a women's lingerie store, last I checked blizzard games weren't designed for a specific sex
Could this be because of grammar/spelling issues (edit: not in this blog obviously, but as a general principle the site uses)?
Can't think of other reasons why would it indicate an European. Unless it implies that European females are more masculine or European males more feminine.
Interesting read. It gives quite a bit of insight into what the other gender feels.
Now for the epic line,
tits or gtfo.
No seriously though, personally I find it makes no difference for me, but I just tend to troll girls less. I just feel like they get butt-hurt more easily when trolled. If I want a butthurt girl mad at me, I have a girlfriend for that.
On July 15 2011 01:27 Jonas wrote: The fact that you take a considerable amount of time out of your day to write a blog shows me that you enjoy whatever attention you get. Making a blog post complaining about said attention is sort of ironic in that sense.
That being said: You're an attractive girl that (judging by the fact that you can form complete sentences and create cohesive arguments as well as engaging stories) is reasonably intelligent and you love videogames. You're every nerds' dream girl. So fuck the haters.
Haha, I'm really just bored at work, as I've mentioned before:
On July 14 2011 14:09 obesechicken13 wrote: I will hunt down and embarrass ANYONE who tries to make that name stick!
Don't make threats you cannot keep.
Here's the scenario,
You start going out with someone and meet their family for the first time. Dad, brother, Sally or Sue takes you aside and tells you if you do anything to hurt their daughter/sibling they will do xyz to you. The reality: no they won't. One thing I learned a long time ago is not to make promises you cannot keep. Likewise, this is what I tell anyone who tries to white knight.
That's not to say on the rare occasion they won't (I've heard a few stories, but even then they're just stories). I know quite a few loose cannons who are well-versed in fights. Once again, it's all hearsay or better yet hype.
Word of advice: drop the complex. It gets old and people will just laugh at you.
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Back to the matter at hand,
Riku I'm going to be very blunt.
Why the heck do you care about being accepted on this board? Before you say you aren't, look at the ice breaker you unwittingly used. I love scenarios and examining human behavior so here's another one:
You go out to the bar with a friend. Your friend introduces you to a few of their friends and you mingle. Your new contact cracks a lame joke you normally wouldn't laugh at; however, you crack a smile and giggle. The reality: you tell yourself it was a stupid joke yet you still laugh because you are looking for their acceptance. Tada!
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The more I read, the more I'm led to believe you are gamer who craves attention. Once again, it's all meaningless and has little to no merit because I don't actually know you. I'm not the type of person who judges someone based solely off their cover. This leads me to my next question: What intrinsic value do you get out of all this?
On July 14 2011 22:26 Cuddle wrote: Your sacrificial cat picture was deemed sufficient. We are pleased.
Cats are my one weakness too. The cat's name is a very odd coincidence as well. I'm rather baffled at this moment. Hm.
If I wanted attention, I'd go back to playing WoW or go hang out more at the AFK Tavern. Hell, I'd at least post more pictures of myself.
As for cats... have I mentioned mine are table-trained?
Edit: You have to realize I also work 10 hour days where the only thing I can do with my spare time when I am letting my data run is write. Blogs are a slight procrastination to the actual stories I'm supposed to be finishing up.
On July 15 2011 01:28 Azzur wrote: It's actually a pretty interesting story! I actually play more WoW than SC2, and Cata raids have been quite fun. Do you still play?
The only time I was remotely famous on my server was during the WoW vanilla days as I'll do BGs for many hours a day. This was back when they didn't have cross-realm BGs and you got to play with the same groups for some time. I usually yelled at people to teach them how to play.
I actually don't like the Cata raiding that much. I am very much a 25 man raider. 10 mans are fun and all, but 25m is where it's at! I still have an active WoW account, but I haven't logged on for weeks.
On July 15 2011 01:31 OpticalShot wrote: It's like being a guy in a Victoria's Secret outlet. Go in, check out the sales, maybe ask a question or two to the workers regarding preferences / opinions, shop for what you came for, and get out - and despite being vastly out-numbered in terms of sex ratio, everything goes smoothly.
On the other hand, if you go in and start flaunting the bulge in your pants and shout loudly to everyone what a baller you are being a guy in a lingerie store, what happens next?
I just literally laughed out loud. Bravo.
On July 15 2011 01:33 Mattchew wrote: You should know as well as anyone how to ignore the trolls and haters on the interwebs... Complaining and getting defensive is just going to fuel them more and more.. keep doing what you like to do stop caring what people think... ask idra if he cares about the thousands of haters he has acquired
If you note in my blog, I stopped when I got defensive and apologized for it and commented that I prefer to take an "I don't give" attitude. Thanks for the advice, though. ;D
On July 15 2011 01:33 UltimateHurl wrote: Thanks for the blog, interesting perspective. I tend to see revealing any personal info, even gender, online as a little 'damned if you do, damned if you don't', and I'm male. As soon as people know things about you it becomes easy for them to say 'well you would say that, you are X'. Tough to combat :/
Agreed. People can be oddly judgmental online with very little information.
I only get irritated when girls treat games like a chat room (i.e not shutting up over voice on TF2), if i'm feeling mischievous i'll say something like "HEI HOW MANY BEWBS DO U HAV?, " but otherwise i'll hit the trusty old mute button.
I love hearing people's internet stories, like biographies of the different games they've jumped from. Cool Blog.
reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
i love tossgirl
i want to marry her but i need to learn korean first. hope she's into younger guys... she is about 4 years older than me
I imagine all people on internet forums and in online games to be smooth like He-Man in the downstairs department. I guess it's only natural that young guys with hormones racing try and chat up girls online and do stupid awkward things. All I can say to young guys online is that girls don't go for guys that are enthusiastically interested in them, because that immediately puts you bellow their internal standards. You'll get better results just being freindly and chill.
I'm sure you're right that being female is a mixed blessing on the interwebs. I guess the solution is to make your own little world and live within that, and ignore the rest. I think that is what most people do in RL anyway.
Nice blog, that's kind of how I imagined it was for girls on the internet. Christina H wrote an article pretty similar to this one on cracked, you should check it out if you haven't seen it.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
:/
That is really unfortunate, I wish there was a way to prevent it, but people can just be utter assholes on the internet.
On July 15 2011 01:44 n.DieJokes wrote: If you thought that picture was "asking for it" and it had received so much hate in the past why was it the second thing you posted on tl?
Because the first time I decided to post on TL was to get advice on Starcraft cosplay for Blizzcon 2011. Considering I wore that outfit to Blizzcon 2010 and it displays my armor making ability, I don't see any reason I wouldn't post it.
Also, I over estimated Starcraft players and Team Liquid. :/
I figured people here would be more polite and have more integrity.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Idra also made tossgirl cry. Hopefully that doesnt happen to eve.
It's still an internet forum. And most people don't really know a lot about costumes etc, so their compliments are more likely to lend to the overall look rather than details on the costume. It was a pretty amazing costume though, but when it comes to details I can honestly say I'm completely clueless, even if it looked good. Thus I didn't post, seeing as how I figured you already knew it was an excellent costume from the reactions thus far.
And well, internet and nerds etc, even a heavily moderated forum is likely to have a pretty high quota of that kind of posters, especially when someone does something that can be interpreted as exhibitionist. And seeing as how the internet is all about being negative it will get a lot of negative comments.
Overall, for some reason people like to post bad stuff more than good stuff, which always sucks when someone has a strong opinion or puts themselves out there in some form.
On July 15 2011 01:48 lolsixtynine wrote: Nice blog, that's kind of how I imagined it was for girls on the internet. Christina H wrote an article pretty similar to this one on cracked, you should check it out if you haven't seen it.
Haha, a very interesting article. It made me smile.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Not a Flash or Jaedong... she wasn't even a Backho or Iron.
Anyway, well done Riku for making one of the most boastful and egotistical posts I have ever seen on TL.
Also, I over estimated Starcraft players and Team Liquid. :/
I figured people here would be more polite and have more integrity.
You were about a year and a half late for that side of TL, SC2 did a good job of messing that up.
Either way, you've had a pretty sweet life, and we both played RO wayyyyy back in the day and had pretty much identical experiences cept I was a dude who flirted with the girls on the forum I used. Just keep on rockin it and doin what you do.
Also these blogs have been a wonderful read every time, thank you so much for giving me so much to read!
Why exactly are you blogging? Because after reading the OP it sounds like you do it just for the possible positive feedback. Did you really start a blog on TL just because you thought it would give you more positive comments?
Stop being such a victim and thinking you are hated only because you are a girl. It's not like every single male that has a bit of e-fame is universally loved. Have you read the shit guys like husky or TB get?
Guy seriously ask you out over WoW?! That is quite awkward...
Right there with you when it came to chat room addictions! The AOL teen only rooms and the teen relationship forums. Good times! Though, I did get our AOL account suspended a number of times (I would troll people who wanted cyber sex by role playing their scenario and then burning them to death with a flamethrower), and in retrospect that all happened about the time online predator awareness started increasing. The stuff you do when you're a a teenager, right?
I respect girls who don't try to proclaim their gender. Girls who try to play on even footing with guys, and don't use their sex as a crutch. I've known a few in my lifetime, and have seen my fair share of attention whores as well.
I thought this was a legitimate rant. Being an "attention whore" so to speak (to exhibit oneself publicly and with confidence) as a male will get you called a douche by the few but will win you admiration and respect from the many. Being an "attention whore" as a female, on the other hand, will win you the admiration and respect of only a few, but the "you're a filthy anorexic whore!" from the many.
I guess you can only blame society or just ignore the dickbags. Obviously it's pretty hard on the internet when you first realize 70% of "people" you encounter on the internet will give you flames. When you realize 80% of those "people" are just gongryong, you feel better.
Great read. This is something I've never really considered, but it's still an important issue...especially in gaming. Hopefully this will strike a cord in the hearts of those who read it, both female and male. Even though it's silly to assume that just reading and writing about these things will change people's minds, it's still a step towards a brighter future where males and females are given mutual respect on the internet. 5 stars...keep up the good work!
On July 15 2011 01:48 lolsixtynine wrote: Nice blog, that's kind of how I imagined it was for girls on the internet. Christina H wrote an article pretty similar to this one on cracked, you should check it out if you haven't seen it.
Haha, a very interesting article. It made me smile.
I figured people here would be more polite and have more integrity.
that's a mistake a lot of people make. don't worry about it
Yeah, I have an knack for overestimating the kindness I'll be treated with (like with that WoW forum post... *shudder*).
Geez, maybe that has to do with the incredibly condescending tone of your posts. Someone asks a perfectly legitimate question about you posting that picture when you said you hated the response, and you respond that he has no integrity?
Get off your high horse. You clearly expect special treatment (and certain posters are glad to oblige as always) when you insult an entire community because they aren't agreeing with everything you say.
I figured people here would be more polite and have more integrity.
that's a mistake a lot of people make. don't worry about it
Doesn't really have to be on TL, either.
I found out today one of my coworkers was right behind a big accident, where a lady rolled her SUV over trying to dodge a guy running a red light.
His first reaction? Take pictures with his Ipad of course! I wanted to punch him in the face. Haha.
I find that if you generally assume that people are going to be assholes, it lets you pick out the nice people easier, instead of assuming everyone is going to be nice and finding out that they're mostly assholes. Kind of how I work it out.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Not a Flash or Jaedong... she wasn't even a Backho or Iron.
Anyway, well done Riku for making one of the most boastful and egotistical posts I have ever seen on TL.
Total words: 2438 Genre: Informal Female = 4506 Male = 3062 Difference = -1444; 40.45% Verdict: Weak FEMALE
Weak emphasis could indicate European.
That is the strangest analysis I've ever seen for gender-based writing. Anything referring to gender or subject is female. Anything related to positional or object is male? That sounds nonsensical to me. Almost any first-person sample of writing would automatically be considered female in that case.
I figured people here would be more polite and have more integrity.
that's a mistake a lot of people make. don't worry about it
Doesn't really have to be on TL, either.
I found out today one of my coworkers was right behind a big accident, where a lady rolled her SUV over trying to dodge a guy running a red light.
His first reaction? Take pictures with his Ipad of course! I wanted to punch him in the face. Haha.
I find that if you generally assume that people are going to be assholes, it lets you pick out the nice people easier, instead of assuming everyone is going to be nice and finding out that they're mostly assholes. Kind of how I work it out.
I find myself oftentimes forgetting gender on the internet (unless voicechat is involved), which is probably why I used so many masculine pronouns in your last work blog, even though I had read your blogs before and knew somewhere in the back of my head that you were female. I think most people on TL have what you might consider "integrity" but integrity really only falls on intention. How people implement that intention might be wildly different, and there will certainly be sections of that spectrum of implementation that might make you feel uncomfortable.
There are probably those that genuinely might not guess you are female upon first reading of your other blogs (your work blog for example, was as legitimately gender neutral as one might expect), yet in response to that you got a huge variety of responses from (mostly) good-intentioned people. They varied from a white-knighters to gender-ignorant idiots(like me).
There will be people who will, in jest, tell you to make them sandwiches or that women belong in the kitchen, etc... There will be people who will say "omg she is sooooo hawt! I think I'm in love!" and there will be people who will say." Most of them are probably not persons of low integrity, but simply people who get carried away by the popular humor and potentially sexist memes of the internet. Or people who genuinely think you are pretty and are creepy secret admirers.
I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Idra also made tossgirl cry. Hopefully that doesnt happen to eve.
And Tossgirl beating Reach made him retire, or something like that??
Look at it from Tossgirl's eyes; everytime she reads a forum like this one she reads thru 100s of pages of "why is she even playing SC, shes only here because of her looks, etc etc" and she really looked at IdrA like he was the worst player in Korea being the only foreigner.. So she cracked under the pressure and lost to him (anyone can lose one game), to her that was like confirming the doubt from reading all the bashing posts, to lose to someone who had no business being in korea, She was probably thinking "maybe they are right".. That was probably her thought-process at the time. Girls are more open to their emotions, and she cried. Big deal. Whats the difference between crying or saying "Fuck you" like IdrA did in a streamed match? both are rage, cept one is highly unprofessional and the other is just a sad side-story. Players cry all the time after losing games.
The pressure on girl progamers is so massive, you will never understand. Every single game she lost, every forum was posting "OMG shes the worst ever" and every single game she won, such as beating Reach, [NC]Yellow or FreeMura, she was met with "wow she got lucky".. It was totally unfair for her everytime, even though she put up results that ANYONE would be proud of, something that only a handful of foreigners have done (not idra in bw)
Really.. How many of the Tossgirl bashers can say they beat Reach and Yellow in a televised event in BW?? The fact shes even there should get respect regardless of what sex she is.
More than just being a girl, being feminine on the internet sucks. At least on TL, we've managed to quell most of the open gay bashing (and possibly covering beautiful men like NaDa and Reach has helped.) I'm glad that you haven't given up on being feminine on the internet because so many other girls I know have, but do keep in mind a lot of the people with a grudge aren't simply misogynists with women problems. Well, a lot of them are, but not every single one.
For instance, to me it sounds like you used to be a shit druid. Do you think your guild was above what you deserved? Obviously it's a two-way relationship between player and guild and they can do whatever the fuck they want, but if I were an outsider pugging with you, I would probably call you out for being a shit druid. Teslyn, a well known priest from the guild Gentleman's Club, was fucking terrible yet she had her spot and gear guaranteed because the guild had half naked pictures of her (she later moved onto a porn career.) Assuming you've graduated into a good WoW player, you can see how infuriating someone like her would be and even though the blame should be entirely placed on the idiot guildleaders for feeding her, sometimes the rage just slips out of frustration. On account of her vagina, she'll attract more fans than anti-fans no matter how terribly she plays.
Now why don't I think that applies to you on these forums? Put simply, you're a good writer and your stories are compelling. I don't look at most of the pics, but I do honestly wish more people on TL could write as well as you do.
The 'attention whore' label is basically unavoidable on the internet at this point in society, and of course that's unfortunate, but take solace in the fact that most of the people using that term haven't put enough thought into it to actually create meaning behind their words. The casual insults and 1 star ratings will keep coming, but you're not likely to face a very compelling argument against your behavior. And when those people (Kiante) venture out into the world and meet real women, they'll find that all women (and really all people) seek attention. And then they'll get married (Serejai) and almost immediately, their significant other will stop caring about their attention, and they'll go back to hating the people who seek it. It's a cruel circle of love.
As for the slutty almost-beef lips Alexstraza, I mean yeah, but that's how Blizzard designed her. Gamers love it when developers give them midriffs and cleavage, but as soon as a real girl displays them they go haywire and start attacking? That's a bit of a non-sequitur.
Yes it's unfair that if you say you're a women some nerds will jump all over you, but at the same time, you're playing an online game; there's no need to reveal your personal information to random people. Letting everyone know you're a girl won't make killing things more fun. If no one asks, don't say you're a girl. If someone does ask, say you are. If they make a big deal out of it put them on ignore and call them out for being lame fucks.
This line of thought is terribad. I'm glad there's so many supporters of Don't Ask/Don't Tell on TL.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Idra also made tossgirl cry. Hopefully that doesnt happen to eve.
Don't search "idra tossgirl cry" and go to the fourth link.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Not a Flash or Jaedong... she wasn't even a Backho or Iron.
Anyway, well done Riku for making one of the most boastful and egotistical posts I have ever seen on TL.
Also, I over estimated Starcraft players and Team Liquid. :/
I figured people here would be more polite and have more integrity.
You were about a year and a half late for that side of TL, SC2 did a good job of messing that up.
Either way, you've had a pretty sweet life, and we both played RO wayyyyy back in the day and had pretty much identical experiences cept I was a dude who flirted with the girls on the forum I used. Just keep on rockin it and doin what you do.
Also these blogs have been a wonderful read every time, thank you so much for giving me so much to read!
Haha, awesome! Did you play a sinx, too, or did you play a different class? I'm glad you enjoyed the blog and didn't mind that it is so damn long!
On July 15 2011 02:05 Sotamursu wrote: Why exactly are you blogging? Because after reading the OP it sounds like you do it just for the possible positive feedback. Did you really start a blog on TL just because you thought it would give you more positive comments?
Stop being such a victim and thinking you are hated only because you are a girl. It's not like every single male that has a bit of e-fame is universally loved. Have you read the shit guys like husky or TB get?
I'm blogging for two reasons:
1) I want to see what it is like to try to come up with interesting things to write about on a regular basis so I can see about pursuing my dream of starting a gaming/geek/cosplayer news website.
2) I LIKE IT! Seriously, I used to keep a diary when I was younger, but didn't feel compelled to keep writing, though I know I really enjoy it when I do write. I've had 2 other blogs previously and really appreciated writing both of them. They are really good to reflect upon and they keep up my writing abilities when I am taking almost strictly technical classes at school.
I don't think I'm only hated because I'm a girl. I think I'm hated because of my personality, the topics of my blogs and the way I treat certain subjects, but I'm not stupid enough to not think my gender plays a role. It obviously does.
On July 15 2011 02:05 Servius_Fulvius wrote: Guy seriously ask you out over WoW?! That is quite awkward...
Right there with you when it came to chat room addictions! The AOL teen only rooms and the teen relationship forums. Good times! Though, I did get our AOL account suspended a number of times (I would troll people who wanted cyber sex by role playing their scenario and then burning them to death with a flamethrower), and in retrospect that all happened about the time online predator awareness started increasing. The stuff you do when you're a a teenager, right?
On July 15 2011 01:48 lolsixtynine wrote: Nice blog, that's kind of how I imagined it was for girls on the internet. Christina H wrote an article pretty similar to this one on cracked, you should check it out if you haven't seen it.
Haha, a very interesting article. It made me smile.
On July 15 2011 01:53 Gann1 wrote:
On July 15 2011 01:50 Riku wrote:
I figured people here would be more polite and have more integrity.
that's a mistake a lot of people make. don't worry about it
Yeah, I have an knack for overestimating the kindness I'll be treated with (like with that WoW forum post... *shudder*).
Geez, maybe that has to do with the incredibly condescending tone of your posts. Someone asks a perfectly legitimate question about you posting that picture when you said you hated the response, and you respond that he has no integrity?
Get off your high horse. You clearly expect special treatment (and certain posters are glad to oblige as always) when you insult an entire community because they aren't agreeing with everything you say.
I think you seriously misinterpreted my reply. I clearly wasn't saying that he had no integrity, only the people who went ape-shit over my picture (which also isn't insulting the entire community, jesus, I think you just want to be mad at me).
I would like absolutely no special treatment. In fact, I wish people would pay more attention to my game and food reviews than my personal blogs. But, alas, there are only so many games and foods I can write on.
On July 15 2011 02:20 Mortality wrote: I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls.
They also came from places like MMO-Champion. Alexstrasza was my favorite character of WotLK, should I really not cosplay her because she's wearing bikini bottoms? Admittedly, I thought my costume would fit a little differently, but I wasn't going to throw away three months of work because of it.
On July 15 2011 02:20 Mortality wrote: I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls.
So imagine that you are an reasonably attractive engineering student who spent a lot of time crafting a cool costume (and probably spent a bit of time in the gym making sure your fat ass could do the costume justice). Imagine you got to showcase your effort in the perfect cosplay venue and that you are legitimately proud of what you have produced.
Now imagine people calling you a slut or all kinds of unsavory things on the internet for putting due effort into your hobby.
On July 15 2011 02:23 Gann1 wrote: for me, its pretty obvious that Riku has a place in the teamliquid community.
-she posts a lot of blogs that generate many comments
- i like to read things
- i like Riku blogs because they provide a lot of reading material
Dude, be real. Its in the nature of every woman to be attention whore. Do you really think riku wants to teach us how to make cossplay costumes or she wants our attention by showing her naked body? I cant see how this fits here.
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Not a Flash or Jaedong... she wasn't even a Backho or Iron.
Anyway, well done Riku for making one of the most boastful and egotistical posts I have ever seen on TL.
uhh.. how many people are a "Iron"..?? The guy is the first SC2 Bonjwa; and is consistently beating the best BW pros like Boxer, Nada, July like they are cake.
Hell, if she was a "Iron", that would be pretty damn impressive. Theres no one else whos as good as "Iron" right now except maybe Nestea
It doesnt matter if she isnt even as successful as Elky or Smuft, the fact shes gotten BW televised wins vs some TOP names like Reach and Effort is very solid. How many foreigners can say that past 2008?
On July 15 2011 02:21 mdb wrote: For me, its pretty obvious that Riku is an attention whore in its pure form who has no place in the teamliquid community.
On July 15 2011 02:23 Gann1 wrote: for me, its pretty obvious that Riku has a place in the teamliquid community.
-she posts a lot of blogs that generate many comments
- i like to read things
- i like Riku blogs because they provide a lot of reading material
Dude, be real. Its in the nature of every woman to be attention whore. Do you really think riku wants to teach us how to make cossplay costumes or she wants our attention by showing her naked body? I cant see how this fits here.
Why are you posting in this thread? Nobody cares about your slanted opinion. Stop littering. That would be great for you too because you wouldn't have to be confronted with something it appears you aren't interested in.
On July 15 2011 02:25 Jibba wrote: More than just being a girl, being feminine on the internet sucks. At least on TL, we've managed to quell most of the open gay bashing (and possibly covering beautiful men like NaDa and Reach has helped.) I'm glad that you haven't given up on being feminine on the internet because so many other girls I know have, but do keep in mind a lot of the people with a grudge aren't simply misogynists with women problems. Well, a lot of them are, but not every single one.
For instance, to me it sounds like you used to be a shit druid. Do you think your guild was above what you deserved? Obviously it's a two-way relationship between player and guild and they can do whatever the fuck they want, but if I were an outsider pugging with you, I would probably call you out for being a shit druid. Teslyn, a well known priest from the guild Gentleman's Club, was fucking terrible yet she had her spot and gear guaranteed because the guild had half naked pictures of her (she later moved onto a porn career.) Assuming you've graduated into a good WoW player, you can see how infuriating someone like her would be and even though the blame should be entirely placed on the idiot guildleaders for feeding her, sometimes the rage just slips out of frustration. On account of her vagina, she'll attract more fans than anti-fans no matter how terribly she plays.
Now why don't I think that applies to you on these forums? Put simply, you're a good writer and your stories are compelling. I don't look at most of the pics, but I do honestly wish more people on TL could write as well as you do.
The 'attention whore' label is basically unavoidable on the internet at this point in society, and of course that's unfortunate, but take solace in the fact that most of the people using that term haven't put enough thought into it to actually create meaning behind their words. The casual insults and 1 star ratings will keep coming, but you're not likely to face a very compelling argument against your behavior. And when those people (Kiante) venture out into the world and meet real women, they'll find that all women (and really all people) seek attention. And then they'll get married (Serejai) and almost immediately, their significant other will stop caring about their attention, and they'll go back to hating the people who seek it. It's a cruel circle of love.
As for the slutty almost-beef lips Alexstraza, I mean yeah, but that's how Blizzard designed her. Gamers love it when developers give them midriffs and cleavage, but as soon as a real girl displays them they go haywire and start attacking? That's a bit of a non-sequitur.
Yes it's unfair that if you say you're a women some nerds will jump all over you, but at the same time, you're playing an online game; there's no need to reveal your personal information to random people. Letting everyone know you're a girl won't make killing things more fun. If no one asks, don't say you're a girl. If someone does ask, say you are. If they make a big deal out of it put them on ignore and call them out for being lame fucks.
This line of thought is terribad. I'm glad there's so many supporters of Don't Ask/Don't Tell on TL.
As Caboose would say: "You are a good person and people say nice things about you."
This reply of yours made me so happy in many ways. Not only is it great to know that people can understand what I'm trying to communicate, but that they support it. And it's an honor that you appreciate my blogs.
Interesting story, I think it will develop over time. I've played games with girls before, and the more girls play the game, the more normal everything will get from my experience. Also, creeps will always exist in this world, there are also creepy girls u know :D
On July 15 2011 02:41 Doler wrote: Interesting story, I think it will develop over time. I've played games with girls before, and the more girls play the game, the more normal everything will get from my experience. Also, creeps will always exist in this world, there are also creepy girls u know :D
Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I predict this thread will go on for many more pages, with nerdy men asking for pics "or gtfo", calling the OP an "attention whore", saying "I think you're awesome" just to be awkwardly nice.
The internet actually does bring out a lot of discrimination in people. It makes me wonder what would happen if a gay black muslim posted a blog talking about being a gay black muslim on the internet. This responses, sadly, would probably not be pretty.
On July 15 2011 02:25 Jibba wrote: More than just being a girl, being feminine on the internet sucks. At least on TL, we've managed to quell most of the open gay bashing (and possibly covering beautiful men like NaDa and Reach has helped.) I'm glad that you haven't given up on being feminine on the internet because so many other girls I know have, but do keep in mind a lot of the people with a grudge aren't simply misogynists with women problems. Well, a lot of them are, but not every single one.
For instance, to me it sounds like you used to be a shit druid. Do you think your guild was above what you deserved? Obviously it's a two-way relationship between player and guild and they can do whatever the fuck they want, but if I were an outsider pugging with you, I would probably call you out for being a shit druid. Teslyn, a well known priest from the guild Gentleman's Club, was fucking terrible yet she had her spot and gear guaranteed because the guild had half naked pictures of her (she later moved onto a porn career.) Assuming you've graduated into a good WoW player, you can see how infuriating someone like her would be and even though the blame should be entirely placed on the idiot guildleaders for feeding her, sometimes the rage just slips out of frustration. On account of her vagina, she'll attract more fans than anti-fans no matter how terribly she plays.
Now why don't I think that applies to you on these forums? Put simply, you're a good writer and your stories are compelling. I don't look at most of the pics, but I do honestly wish more people on TL could write as well as you do.
The 'attention whore' label is basically unavoidable on the internet at this point in society, and of course that's unfortunate, but take solace in the fact that most of the people using that term haven't put enough thought into it to actually create meaning behind their words. The casual insults and 1 star ratings will keep coming, but you're not likely to face a very compelling argument against your behavior. And when those people (Kiante) venture out into the world and meet real women, they'll find that all women (and really all people) seek attention. And then they'll get married (Serejai) and almost immediately, their significant other will stop caring about their attention, and they'll go back to hating the people who seek it. It's a cruel circle of love.
As for the slutty almost-beef lips Alexstraza, I mean yeah, but that's how Blizzard designed her. Gamers love it when developers give them midriffs and cleavage, but as soon as a real girl displays them they go haywire and start attacking? That's a bit of a non-sequitur.
Yes it's unfair that if you say you're a women some nerds will jump all over you, but at the same time, you're playing an online game; there's no need to reveal your personal information to random people. Letting everyone know you're a girl won't make killing things more fun. If no one asks, don't say you're a girl. If someone does ask, say you are. If they make a big deal out of it put them on ignore and call them out for being lame fucks.
This line of thought is terribad. I'm glad there's so many supporters of Don't Ask/Don't Tell on TL.
What I got out of this post was googling GC Teslyn -> Winter sky porn and then being entertained for the next ten minutes. Thanks Jibba!
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
You are clearly not following what I am saying or you are intentionally misinterpreting my posts and ignoring obvious facts.
Unfortunately, I really don't feel like taking the time at the moment to defend myself against someone who is clearly bias and has already set their mind about how they are going to judge me.
Thank you for taking your time to write such a long and detailed post. I promise you that I will consider your words in the future, even if I do not respond directly to the questions you have and the points you've made here.
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this (except less abrasive), but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
Bad guilds and misogyny aside, my condensed thoughts are people will flame no matter what you do. Some are jealous, less than commonly assumed hate women. But it's the internet. On Team Liquid it is so proportional majority is a weak description. There is nothing less than a total rule of male posters here. So instead of just a few idiots, there are many. Expect that every time you post.
As far as guilds go, during my time playing WoW I ran raid/pvp guilds in BC and Cata (briefly, cata is a joke). Both times I used DKP instead of rolls and made sure no one was ever pressured and everyone was treated fairly, regardless of gender. We had a priest that started off well but once we got caught on a boss in black temple for a week she would attend raids drunk out of her mind and blather on vent. I didn't consider her gender when I removed her from the active raid roster, I just based it on performance.
I really didn't want to go there but..
On July 15 2011 02:53 Whole wrote: Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
Yeah..
If I make a blog every day about how much I love cigarettes, wine and disposable relationships I sure as fuck wouldn't complain if I received a negative response. And I wouldn't blame TL.
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this, but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
"Oh, that problem goes away if you avoid it and ignore it."
I'm sorry, that's now how I like to approach problems.
I have written many, many, many blogs that have no mention of myself nor the fact I female nor anything about females.
As for me writing gaming blogs calling attention to being a "gamer girl" (I shudder at that term), that is pretty ridiculous:
On July 15 2011 01:41 Skyze wrote: reminds me of Tossgirl, she got so much hate despite being the only female progamer to really be good enough to compete at a top level. Sure, she wasnt a Flash or Jaedong or Boxer, but come on; theres millions of SC players, how many of them are a Flash or Jaedong? For a girl to be consistently competing at an A-team level, thats very impressive.
Now this Slayers_Eve girl is going to get the same treatment unfortunately.
Idra also made tossgirl cry. Hopefully that doesnt happen to eve.
And Tossgirl beating Reach made him retire, or something like that??
Look at it from Tossgirl's eyes; everytime she reads a forum like this one she reads thru 100s of pages of "why is she even playing SC, shes only here because of her looks, etc etc" and she really looked at IdrA like he was the worst player in Korea being the only foreigner.. So she cracked under the pressure and lost to him (anyone can lose one game), to her that was like confirming the doubt from reading all the bashing posts, to lose to someone who had no business being in korea, She was probably thinking "maybe they are right".. That was probably her thought-process at the time. Girls are more open to their emotions, and she cried. Big deal. Whats the difference between crying or saying "Fuck you" like IdrA did in a streamed match? both are rage, cept one is highly unprofessional and the other is just a sad side-story. Players cry all the time after losing games.
The pressure on girl progamers is so massive, you will never understand. Every single game she lost, every forum was posting "OMG shes the worst ever" and every single game she won, such as beating Reach, [NC]Yellow or FreeMura, she was met with "wow she got lucky".. It was totally unfair for her everytime, even though she put up results that ANYONE would be proud of, something that only a handful of foreigners have done (not idra in bw)
Really.. How many of the Tossgirl bashers can say they beat Reach and Yellow in a televised event in BW?? The fact shes even there should get respect regardless of what sex she is.
But to be honest, thats not because of her gender, but because people group bash on the "weakest flower of the week" since the dawn of the internet. And most of the time the mob is wrong, but continues anyways.
On the music business its Jason Biber and Jessica FRYDAY, some years back it was Michael Jackson. On SC2 it is/was Husky and HD and on SC1 its tossgirl.
Its just that those "online flavors of the week" go away / get switched out WAY slower then the fast moving RL targets.
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this (except less abrasive), but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
Maybe because... I don't know... she's proud of being one of the few who go outside of what is normally expected from women. I strongly disagree with your assumption that Riku's blog hurt the girl-gamer community, because when something like 19 out 20 gamers are boys, it kind of takes a leap of faith to accept to that the person behind the monitor is a girl. Furthermore, it's not wrong to be proud of who you are, especially if you stand out from the rest of the crowd, and it's especially not wrong to feel safe to share your thoughts about standing out in a public forum.
How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
Based on your blogs, you remind me of a lot of other girls I've met. They kind of fall into a category defined by the following: likes anime, likes video games (especially JRPGs), plays WoW/RO/Gaia Online (you are missing this last one), and are genuinely nice people but are a bit overenthusiastic (read: overly outspoken) about their interests by societal standards. I have a decent number of friends like that, since a lot of our interests coincide, but there are many others who don't respond well to it--the "bubblyness" just rubs some people the wrong way. Given that, since TL is like a microcosm of the real world (lol okay) I'm not surprised by some of the reactions here.
Really, in the end, the only constructive thing for naysayers to do is to be a selective reader. Your personality is not going to change through repeated calls of "attention whore," and those who want to call you that are probably not going to like you better by reading more of your blogs. The sooner they do this, the fewer inflammatory comments you'll get, which will lead to less attention being paid to your blogs, which will make "attention whore" a defunct title. Happiness all around.
I do wish your post count wasn't mostly due to your own blogs though. =/
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this, but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
"Oh, that problem goes away if you avoid it and ignore it."
I'm sorry, that's now how I like to approach problems.
Well when the problem is about "having too much (negative and positive) attention as a female," approaching it in any other way than avoidance seems counter productive.
I have written many, many, many blogs that have no mention of myself nor the fact I female nor anything about females.
As for me writing gaming blogs calling attention to being a "gamer girl" (I shudder at that term), that is pretty ridiculous:
Not a single one of those gaming blogs mentions my gender.
The last one mentions that you're feminine. And a lot of your blogs are about you. That isn't a bad thing in itself, but since you make so many blogs, you created a background. So when people go into on of your blogs that is a story, they place some sort of character on you which has the attributes as the typical gamer girl. It kind of follows your blogs around whether intentional or not.
I find it amusing the answer for any problem for most people is just ignore it and it'll go away. I just want to know when has that -ever- worked. When has just putting up walls and ignoring a problem -ever- made the situation better?
I for one am all for standing up and actually believing in something, being who you are and not trying to hide it. I actually enjoyed this blog because as someone who actually did raiding and arena I'll tell you right now I don't care if your a duder, dudette, or a self aware netbook, I just want solid players with me who have an idea on how to do what needs be done and the motivation to be prepared for such.
If you have daughters, I hope you open their diaries and call them attention whores because every entry is about themselves.
Almost everyone's favorite subject is themselves, and you still haven't outlined why that's a problem. God help you if you ever read Twitter where most of the self-absorbed people on the internet exist. Tasteless spends some casts talking about himself more than the game. And please explain why drawing attention to yourself is a bad thing. Granted, iNcontroL would smash them if they did, but I don't see people giving Mora this much shit for drawing attention to his sexuality.
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I think after re reading this thread it's been covered. I have nothing more to say or summarize that hasn't already been said. I'll be dissatisfied when the discussion continues for page after page but that isn't due to gender or anything else, it's just the way TL works.
"I got a huge crush on the leader of my "group" on the forums"
""New dr00d looking for friends." All hell broke loose. I mentioned I was female, used too many emoticons in my post, and sounded naive as all hell. People first thought I was a troll, then figured out I was serious and started trolling me! Of course, being the hard-headed and combative person I am, I just pressed on, fought, flirted and suddenly became the most well-known non-70 on the entire server. "
"I was completely hurt when the guild who was so nice to me refused to help me through Kara. They wouldn't even let me into their alt runs and didn't care at all what my gender was. I didn't understand I needed to run more 5 mans before running raids and I didn't realize how absolutely annoying fights can be when someone doesn't understand the mechanics (admittedly, they never really gave me a chance to show I could understand). I eventually got so frustrated, I quit.
"I ganked him until I got him banned for making threats about hurting me irl."
"People often complain that women have an unfair advantage when it comes to getting loot and raid spots. Perhaps if you have an unfair Loot Council system run by corrupt people! However, in all of my PUGs and guild raids, I maybe got one item because I was female. I was tanking for a PUG group and I only needed two or so items in the entire instance. I had been leading the raid when it came to describing boss fights and I was acting as the main tank. The cloak I needed finally dropped and I exclaimed excited about it, but someone else won the roll. The group told the person, "You should let Riku have that cloak, she really deserves it." They knew I was female, someone else had legitimately won the loot, but the group convinced that person to give it to me. "
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Just remembered when a guys gf threatened him to not have sex with him anymore if she won't get the Warglaive of Azzinoth.
Unfortunately, my prejudice against women in games got justified soo many times during the years of playing WoW. Of course I have to mention, there were exceptions, girls who wouldn't go around boasting the "hurr gurrrlll gamurr" slogan, they just wanted to play the games, and that's all. Those were the ones, I became good friends with, just like with any other guy. But a few people above me perfectly summarized, what I'm thinking of about this blog.
Haters gonna hate and white knights gonna whiteknight, as you've said, girls are often become the most loved and most hated people on the internet.
I was in a hardcore raiding guild in EQ2 for about 2 years and we had about 50% women. Gender never entered into gameplay decisionmaking. If we decided to bypass loot standards to award a particular piece of loot to a female guildie, it was always because of merit and not because of boobs.
I think it all comes down to the maturity level of your guild. Almost everyone in my guild was age 20+, and many people played with their spouses/significant others.
You get big props for being a good tank though. The only gender stereotypes we had in our guild was that women couldn't tank, and men couldn't heal. Our top 3 healers were all women, but all 4 of our tanks (including me) were men, and every female that apped to our guild as a tank was terribad. DPS and support classes were split more 50/50 in terms of skill.
Although it can be hard when there is a constant stream of idiocy coming your way, your best bet is just to ignore it. From reading your posts you are obviously intelligent and have a very attractive personality that creates a desire for people to be around you. Unfortunately there will be people who will despise you for this very reason. There's no one reason why but it can just be from some hatred of being alone to jealousy to just being a complete idiot. There really is no reason to be vulgar, sexist or rude to anyone so to worry about these type of people is silly, and to try and convince them elsewise is pointless. The worst thing you could do is take it personally.
Just keep being yourself and you'll keep meeting like-minded people. As for being a girl on the internet, the only thing to do is quote the movie Grandma's Boy, "You're a really hot girl, and you're swimming in a sea of virgins!". Of course you're going to be meeting a ton of weird people; it should be expected, but they'll only get to you if you let them. Keep it up with the blog posts they definitely are an enjoyable read!
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this, but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
"Oh, that problem goes away if you avoid it and ignore it."
I'm sorry, that's now how I like to approach problems. I have written many, many, many blogs that have no mention of myself nor the fact I female nor anything about females.
As for me writing gaming blogs calling attention to being a "gamer girl" (I shudder at that term), that is pretty ridiculous:
Not a single one of those gaming blogs mentions my gender.
Interesting that in sirjolt's blog your second post...immediately about yourself...
Also, did you realize the irony of your statement, that you are calling attention to yourself, and then immediately two lines below that you link to 5 of your previous blogs...
yeah...
On July 14 2011 01:06 Riku wrote:
I've just come to the realization that the majority of TL people hate me.
:/
For all of the callous I've built up against trolling and haters, I'm actually oddly hurt and depressed...
As this man in sirjolt's thread said so succinctly:
I've just come to the realization that the majority of TL people hate me.
:/
For all of the callous I've built up against trolling and haters, I'm actually oddly hurt and depressed...
Stop thread hijacking and attention whoring, it's so damn pathetic
No one hates you, stop attention whoring.
It's true everyone is guilty of this at some point or another, it's just that you are guilty of it at every point. This very blog and you fit all the stereotypical "i'm a girl on the internet" posts/attention whor3ing since the internets began.
Hell, you even saved everyone the trouble and flat out named this blog essentially "i'm a girl."
On July 15 2011 02:20 Mortality wrote: I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls.
They also came from places like MMO-Champion. Alexstrasza was my favorite character of WotLK, should I really not cosplay her because she's wearing bikini bottoms? Admittedly, I thought my costume would fit a little differently, but I wasn't going to throw away three months of work because of it.
According to the other person I'm quoting you're an engineer. Didn't you, ya know, take measurements? Try on the bottoms before making the final cut? I'll be blunt: your slit is barely covered girl. An engineer cannot afford to go off half-cocked. That's how screw-ups happen.
On July 15 2011 02:20 Mortality wrote: I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls.
So imagine that you are an reasonably attractive engineering student who spent a lot of time crafting a cool costume (and probably spent a bit of time in the gym making sure your fat ass could do the costume justice). Imagine you got to showcase your effort in the perfect cosplay venue and that you are legitimately proud of what you have produced.
Now imagine people calling you a slut or all kinds of unsavory things on the internet for putting due effort into your hobby.
This is not hard to understand at all.
If you expect people not to comment on skin you show -- particularly if you show so much of it -- you are delusional.
If I made a Borat costume I'd expect that people would comment on it. Which is exactly why you'll never catch me wearing a Borat costume.
If you can't stomach the reaction you're going to get for doing something, why do you do it? This is why so many people in this thread are accusing Riku of being an attention whore who only wants praise and looks down on others. She made an ultra skimpy costume. She wore it. And some perceive that she wanted to be lavished with praise and couldn't stand the heat when she wasn't. I personally don't know -- or care -- what she was thinking, but you don't wear that kind of outfit if you can't take the heat.
Edit: just for the record, my opinion, I think she looks good, but it does look a bit slutty.
On July 15 2011 01:31 OpticalShot wrote: It's like being a guy in a Victoria's Secret outlet. Go in, check out the sales, maybe ask a question or two to the workers regarding preferences / opinions, shop for what you came for, and get out - and despite being vastly out-numbered in terms of sex ratio, everything goes smoothly.
On the other hand, if you go in and start flaunting the bulge in your pants and shout loudly to everyone what a baller you are being a guy in a lingerie store, what happens next?
This post.
The bolded part is what I will never quite understand in this case.
I think there's something profoundly broken around the gaming society for girls to be treated the way they are. And I'm saying this as a guy.
Look at the options you have as a girl:
1) Hide the fact that you're a girl. This is just sick. Why would somebody have to hide who they friggen are to not get harassed? Because internet people are crazy? Seriously, people on the internet are the same as those on the street, just hiding under anonimity, thinking it's alright to troll on a girl they'd never approach in real life. It creats a bias in the gaming community. I never want to hide that I'm a dude, never want to hide that I'm Swiss, nor that I like pizza. So why would a girl have to hide her sex? That's just ridiculous.
2) Not hide the fact you're a girl, which leads to:
a - people thinking you're just plain stupid, good image for esports there
b - people thinking you're weak, good thing we still live on the 1800s! oh wait...I can only imagine how much of a pain it is when you just want to be yourself and every other day you get chevalresque treatement because your fragile little self must be preserved and protected. . c - people getting a crush on you, seriously, when did gaming become a meat market? I'm very attractive, why don't I ever get asked out? Because I'm a dude and it seems that girls and homosexuals aren't as delusionnal as your average guy. Some of these crushes may be legitimate sure, but I'm quite sure the emo factor has a huge role to play.
d - people who just don't care, or at the very least don't treat you any differently than they would a girl IRL (for those who know what that means). I don't know if this is a majority of guys or not, but it definitely isn't enough.
Wanna respect women in esports? Easy, here's some basic advice:
- Don't go on about how good looking or not they are in every other thread. If you want to do that join a modeling forum (or a pr0n one if you're that desperate).
- Don't give them special treatement, they're gamers and human beings just like us (a revolutionnary discovery, I know!)
- Don't get your hopes up, there is a right place and a right time for everything, and SC2 isn't a dating site.
- For everything else treat her the way you would treat a normal human being.
I'm saying negate completely the fact that there are women and go on making crude and derogatory humour (I don't have the energy to fight that anyhow), just be civilised.
On July 15 2011 03:23 valaki wrote: "I got a huge crush on the leader of my "group" on the forums"
""New dr00d looking for friends." All hell broke loose. I mentioned I was female, used too many emoticons in my post, and sounded naive as all hell. People first thought I was a troll, then figured out I was serious and started trolling me! Of course, being the hard-headed and combative person I am, I just pressed on, fought, flirted and suddenly became the most well-known non-70 on the entire server. "
"I was completely hurt when the guild who was so nice to me refused to help me through Kara. They wouldn't even let me into their alt runs and didn't care at all what my gender was. I didn't understand I needed to run more 5 mans before running raids and I didn't realize how absolutely annoying fights can be when someone doesn't understand the mechanics (admittedly, they never really gave me a chance to show I could understand). I eventually got so frustrated, I quit.
"I ganked him until I got him banned for making threats about hurting me irl."
"People often complain that women have an unfair advantage when it comes to getting loot and raid spots. Perhaps if you have an unfair Loot Council system run by corrupt people! However, in all of my PUGs and guild raids, I maybe got one item because I was female. I was tanking for a PUG group and I only needed two or so items in the entire instance. I had been leading the raid when it came to describing boss fights and I was acting as the main tank. The cloak I needed finally dropped and I exclaimed excited about it, but someone else won the roll. The group told the person, "You should let Riku have that cloak, she really deserves it." They knew I was female, someone else had legitimately won the loot, but the group convinced that person to give it to me. "
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Just remembered when a guys gf threatened him to not have sex with him anymore if she won't get the Warglaive of Azzinoth.
Unfortunately, my prejudice against women in games got justified soo many times during the years of playing WoW. Of course I have to mention, there were exceptions, girls who wouldn't go around boasting the "hurr gurrrlll gamurr" slogan, they just wanted to play the games, and that's all. Those were the ones, I became good friends with, just like with any other guy. But a few people above me perfectly summarized, what I'm thinking of about this blog.
Haters gonna hate and white knights gonna whiteknight, as you've said, girls are often become the most loved and most hated people on the internet.
And you did read that I was also leading the raid, pretty much set on gear (more so than much of the group and they had personally asked me to come tank for them), and that I didn't ask for it nor demand it? Actually, I didn't even tell them I was female, but I don't really care to bother with a voice-changer on vent, and I was leading the raid, so I had to talk.
My comment on early WoW was supposed to talk about how I was an utter noob and didn't receive any benefits from my gender. I wasn't complaining that I didn't receive an advantage, I was merely pointing out the fact because I thought it was a GOOD thing and something to be noted.
Also, I'm confused about some of your bolding. What was the point of bolding the sections in:
I didn't understand I needed to run more 5 mans before running raids and I didn't realize how absolutely annoying fights can be when someone doesn't understand the mechanics (admittedly, they never really gave me a chance to show I could understand). I eventually got so frustrated, I quit.
I didn't understand the gear requirement for endgame play nor what endgame play was like. I tried to get help, no one explained it to me and just made excuses why I couldn't come to their raids, so I got frustrated from having absolutely no endgame content to experience, and quit. If someone had explained it to me ("given me a chance"), I would have progressed as a player, gotten geared and become a valuable member of the raid.
On July 15 2011 03:23 RoboBob wrote: I was in a hardcore raiding guild in EQ2 for about 2 years and we had about 50% women. Gender never entered into gameplay decisionmaking. If we decided to bypass loot standards to award a particular piece of loot to a female guildie, it was always because of merit and not because of boobs.
I think it all comes down to the maturity level of your guild. Almost everyone in my guild was age 20+, and many people played with their spouses/significant others.
You get big props for being a good tank though. The only gender stereotypes we had in our guild was that women couldn't tank, and men couldn't heal. Our top 3 healers were all women, but all 4 of our tanks (including me) were men, and every female that apped to our guild as a tank was terribad. DPS and support classes were split more 50/50 in terms of skill.
Haha, yeah, I've found that sterotype before. However, in my old 25m, the MT was male, but both of our OT were female! Our healing leader was male and all of our healers except for one were male, too! Our female healer was absolutely terrible! Though I can't say the males always pulled their weight, we had a pretty sketchy set of healers at times.
On July 15 2011 03:28 Razith wrote: Although it can be hard when there is a constant stream of idiocy coming your way, your best bet is just to ignore it. From reading your posts you are obviously intelligent and have a very attractive personality that creates a desire for people to be around you. Unfortunately there will be people who will despise you for this very reason. There's no one reason why but it can just be from some hatred of being alone to jealousy to just being a complete idiot. There really is no reason to be vulgar, sexist or rude to anyone so to worry about these type of people is silly, and to try and convince them elsewise is pointless. The worst thing you could do is take it personally.
Just keep being yourself and you'll keep meeting like-minded people. As for being a girl on the internet, the only thing to do is quote the movie Grandma's Boy, "You're a really hot girl, and you're swimming in a sea of virgins!". Of course you're going to be meeting a ton of weird people; it should be expected, but they'll only get to you if you let them. Keep it up with the blog posts they definitely are an enjoyable read!
I think there's something profoundly broken around the gaming society for girls to be treated the way they are. And I'm saying this as a guy.
Look at the options you have as a girl:
1) Hide the fact that you're a girl. This is just sick. Why would somebody have to hide who they friggen are to not get harassed? Because internet people are crazy? Seriously, people on the internet are the same as those on the street, just hiding under anonimity, thinking it's alright to troll on a girl they'd never approach in real life. It creats a bias in the gaming community. I never want to hide that I'm a dude, never want to hide that I'm Swiss, nor that I like pizza. So why would a girl have to hide her sex? That's just ridiculous.
2) Not hide the fact you're a girl, which leads to:
a - people thinking you're just plain stupid, good image for esports there
b - people thinking you're weak, good thing we still live on the 1800s! oh wait...I can only imagine how much of a pain it is when you just want to be yourself and every other day you get chevalresque treatement because your fragile little self must be preserved and protected. . c - people getting a crush on you, seriously, when did gaming become a meat market? I'm very attractive, why don't I ever get asked out? Because I'm a dude and it seems that girls and homosexuals aren't as delusionnal as your average guy. Some of these crushes may be legitimate sure, but I'm quite sure the emo factor has a huge role to play.
d - people who just don't care, or at the very least don't treat you any differently than they would a girl IRL (for those who know what that means). I don't know if this is a majority of guys or not, but it definitely isn't enough.
Wanna respect women in esports? Easy, here's some basic advice:
- Don't go on about how good looking or not they are in every other thread. If you want to do that join a modeling forum (or a pr0n one if you're that desperate).
- Don't give them special treatement, they're gamers and human beings just like us (a revolutionnary discovery, I know!)
- Don't get your hopes up, there is a right place and a right time for everything, and SC2 isn't a dating site.
- For everything else treat her the way you would treat a normal human being.
I'm saying negate completely the fact that there are women and go on making crude and derogatory humour (I don't have the energy to fight that anyhow), just be civilised.
Look at the options you have as a guy: 1) Hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
2) Don't hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
The internet is a cold, dark place, especially in regards to gaming. There are a few places where people are generally nice, or at least aren't 12 year olds hopped up on hormones (most of TL).
What the fuck do you expect?
Anyway, there's more assholes and idiots than kind and smart people, real world or otherwise. The internet just makes the assholes and idiots more bold and outspoken.
I think there's something profoundly broken around the gaming society for girls to be treated the way they are. And I'm saying this as a guy.
Look at the options you have as a girl:
1) Hide the fact that you're a girl. This is just sick. Why would somebody have to hide who they friggen are to not get harassed? Because internet people are crazy? Seriously, people on the internet are the same as those on the street, just hiding under anonimity, thinking it's alright to troll on a girl they'd never approach in real life. It creats a bias in the gaming community. I never want to hide that I'm a dude, never want to hide that I'm Swiss, nor that I like pizza. So why would a girl have to hide her sex? That's just ridiculous.
2) Not hide the fact you're a girl, which leads to:
a - people thinking you're just plain stupid, good image for esports there
b - people thinking you're weak, good thing we still live on the 1800s! oh wait...I can only imagine how much of a pain it is when you just want to be yourself and every other day you get chevalresque treatement because your fragile little self must be preserved and protected. . c - people getting a crush on you, seriously, when did gaming become a meat market? I'm very attractive, why don't I ever get asked out? Because I'm a dude and it seems that girls and homosexuals aren't as delusionnal as your average guy. Some of these crushes may be legitimate sure, but I'm quite sure the emo factor has a huge role to play.
d - people who just don't care, or at the very least don't treat you any differently than they would a girl IRL (for those who know what that means). I don't know if this is a majority of guys or not, but it definitely isn't enough.
Wanna respect women in esports? Easy, here's some basic advice:
- Don't go on about how good looking or not they are in every other thread. If you want to do that join a modeling forum (or a pr0n one if you're that desperate).
- Don't give them special treatement, they're gamers and human beings just like us (a revolutionnary discovery, I know!)
- Don't get your hopes up, there is a right place and a right time for everything, and SC2 isn't a dating site.
- For everything else treat her the way you would treat a normal human being.
I'm saying negate completely the fact that there are women and go on making crude and derogatory humour (I don't have the energy to fight that anyhow), just be civilised.
Look at the options you have as a guy: 1) Hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
2) Don't hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
The internet is a cold, dark place, especially in regards to gaming. There are a few places where people are generally nice, or at least aren't 12 year olds hopped up on hormones (most of TL).
What the fuck do you expect?
When you're a dude you're judged on your skill, whe a girl on your looks.
It's cliché but just look at the thread on SlayerS_Eve. Then look at any thread of any korean dude joining a new progaming team.
Spot any difference?
Also I know a lot of people who are perfectly civilised IRL but become douchebags on the net. It's the wonders of anonimity. Possibly nothing can be done, however it's always the same, each person's mind you change is already a step forward for esports.
On July 15 2011 02:44 n.DieJokes wrote: Frankly I just don't believe that, one you've posted other cosplay pictures which are far less racy and two I think you just wanted to be the center of attention. The bottoms are indeed "skimpy", skimpy enough to elicit comments from the majority of tl who simply don't care about your costume or costume making in general.
Now that wouldn't be a very fair statement if that was all the evidence I had, thankfully everything you do here screams pay attention to me. You write blogs everyday which are almost always just about you and almost never about starcraft or the community. You mention in basically every one of these blogs that you're a "gamer girl" and then indulge every single comment about it like you feed on it for nutrients. You constantly refer to yourself in the third person, your posts outside of your blog are also about you. I mean Christ, look at your quote and you expect us to believe you don't intentionally bring all this attention on yourself. With that off my chest....
Why do you expect everything you put out on the internet to be well received? You're not so great (and because everything you post is about you, your content) that everything you touch turns to gold. I've put out plenty of crap on this website and had it get rightfully shit on, the difference is I didn't look back and say gosh, people are giving me such a hard time because I'm X (in your case female). You remind me of frodac, in case your unfamiliar he's a male who also blogs (blogged?) about himself everyday and was likewise ill received. Only you're more obnoxious (sorry frodac, I actually don't mind your blogs and you seem to have some real issues with your parents that I don't want to discredit) because you seem to think your entitled to the love and respect of the community even though you give it nothing worthwhile.
On July 15 2011 01:08 Riku wrote: Of course, there are two types of "non-haters" you run into as a female; the crazy ones and the nice ones
This is totally unfair and insulting to basically the entire community. I doubt smix or NeverGG or lilsusie feel this way but then again they don't post only about themselves. What do you expect your fans to enjoy? There's only you, of course they like you there's nothing else. sigh, I don't want to be an asshole (which I sure I've already come across as), I don't even want you to stop making blogs. I just want you to understand how two faced you can be perceived. If you want to talk about you, that's fine and I'll keep ignoring it but don't whine that because your female you're being victimized
I was going to post something like this, but you basically ninja'd me. I have to agree, especially with the bold part.
Also, making blogs about being a girl on the internet doesn't really help solve the problem of girls being singled out of a gaming community. It really just worsens it, and if you want to stop being singled out as a girl, I would suggest being more subtle about being a girl and only bring it up if relevant. Because it kind of seems like you parade on the fact that you're a female.
"Oh, that problem goes away if you avoid it and ignore it."
I'm sorry, that's now how I like to approach problems. I have written many, many, many blogs that have no mention of myself nor the fact I female nor anything about females.
As for me writing gaming blogs calling attention to being a "gamer girl" (I shudder at that term), that is pretty ridiculous:
Not a single one of those gaming blogs mentions my gender.
Interesting that in sirjolt's blog your second post...immediately about yourself...
Also, did you realize the irony of your statement, that you are calling attention to yourself, and then immediately two lines below that you link to 5 of your previous blogs...
I've just come to the realization that the majority of TL people hate me.
:/
For all of the callous I've built up against trolling and haters, I'm actually oddly hurt and depressed...
Stop thread hijacking and attention whoring, it's so damn pathetic
No one hates you, stop attention whoring.
It's true everyone is guilty of this at some point or another, it's just that you are guilty of it at every point. This very blog and you fit all the stereotypical "i'm a girl on the internet" posts/attention whor3ing since the internets began.
Hell, you even saved everyone the trouble and flat out named this blog essentially "i'm a girl."
So...you are a girl...congratulations.
I'm not going to repeat myself multiple times. I explained that post in that thread, go look at my explanation. Also, I was actually emotional and hurt at the time, which is why I made a post I probably shouldn't have.
On July 15 2011 02:20 Mortality wrote: I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls.
They also came from places like MMO-Champion. Alexstrasza was my favorite character of WotLK, should I really not cosplay her because she's wearing bikini bottoms? Admittedly, I thought my costume would fit a little differently, but I wasn't going to throw away three months of work because of it.
According to the other person I'm quoting you're an engineer. Didn't you, ya know, take measurements? Try on the bottoms before making the final cut? I'll be blunt: your slit is barely covered girl. An engineer cannot afford to go off half-cocked. That's how screw-ups happen.
On July 15 2011 02:20 Mortality wrote: I'm surprised that you would feel sick to your stomach about comments people made over the internet when you were willing to wear such a, ehem, provocative outfit. Especially when said comments come from places like Something Awful. This is why guys don't understand girls.
So imagine that you are an reasonably attractive engineering student who spent a lot of time crafting a cool costume (and probably spent a bit of time in the gym making sure your fat ass could do the costume justice). Imagine you got to showcase your effort in the perfect cosplay venue and that you are legitimately proud of what you have produced.
Now imagine people calling you a slut or all kinds of unsavory things on the internet for putting due effort into your hobby.
This is not hard to understand at all.
If you expect people not to comment on skin you show -- particularly if you show so much of it -- you are delusional.
If I made a Borat costume I'd expect that people would comment on it. Which is exactly why you'll never catch me wearing a Borat costume.
If you can't stomach the reaction you're going to get for doing something, why do you do it? This is why so many people in this thread are accusing Riku of being an attention whore who only wants praise and looks down on others. She made an ultra skimpy costume. She wore it. And some perceive that she wanted to be lavished with praise and couldn't stand the heat when she wasn't. I personally don't know -- or care -- what she was thinking, but you don't wear that kind of outfit if you can't take the heat.
Edit: just for the record, my opinion, I think she looks good, but it does look a bit slutty.
I made sure my fucking bottoms were WIDER THAN ANY SWIMSUIT I OWN. I went and MADE SURE OF THIS. When I "tried" it out before gluing it, everything seemed to work out perfectly. However, I was unware of how the material would act when not being held down by hands. It bulged out and the bottom kept slipping down in the front and up in the back.
Actually, the bottoms were so fucking wide that my thighs got seriously chaffed from them digging into me. The whole claim that the bottoms were too small is really bullshit and I wish people would shut up about it. They are two reasons it looks skimpy. One is because the material wouldn't lay flat against my skin as fabrics do, shame on me for not considering this. And two, because it is cut so you can see that little line that stretches from the crotch to your hips. However, this is EXACTLY how Alexstrasza's costume was. I am very, very, very much for sticking to the original costume and one of my main complaints about other Alexstrasza cosplay is how they completely bullshitted the bottoms. Sure, they don't have to worry about idiots raging about them showing too much skin, but it isn't true to the character and, thus, is poor cosplay.
Also, since I put on a fucking Alexstrasza costume, I hope people would comment on ALEXSTRASZA. Like "man, she's an awesome character" or "did you hear her voice actor for Cata? She sounds like an old woman!" I didn't want to be lavished with fucking praise, I wanted to celebrate my favorite character from my favorite MMO at the convention for the company and the game itself.
I didn't wear it to a fucking talent show, I didn't wear it to a fashion show, I didn't wear it ANYWHERE ELSE EVER except at Blizzcon.
I can take the heat, but I can't stand people being absolute asshats and idiots.
On July 15 2011 03:45 Riku wrote: And you did read that I was also leading the raid, pretty much set on gear (more so than much of the group and they had personally asked me to come tank for them), and that I didn't ask for it nor demand it? Actually, I didn't even tell them I was female, but I don't really care to bother with a voice-changer on vent, and I was leading the raid, so I had to talk.
"The group told the person, "You should let Riku have that cloak, she really deserves it." They knew I was female, someone else had legitimately won the loot, but the group convinced that person to give it to me"
Nah, but I don't plan on nitpicking here all day long, since you perfectly described yourself in your OP post. You don't need to explain anything.
As Avilo said, just be an average gamer, or if you got something worthwhile to contribute, then contribute.
Riku, this was a very good blog post. Something happened to you, you were upset about it, and it's a problem in the internet that deserves to be pointed out. It was not a bad post by any stretch of the imagination, and I totally agree that sexism on the internet is quite rampant.
Unfortunately, it comes with the territory (much like homophobia) of a community that has a high proportion of immature male nerds.
Well, being a girl on the internet is only harder if you make it so.
From my experience, the majority of girls that have problem with their gender in online games love to proclaim that they are girls and always crave the attention.
For example : I was in an alliance in Guild Wars with a woman that would flirt with literally every guy in the alliance, would say "Spank you" instead of "Thank you" when people donated faction and the horny 15 year olds loved it (seriously, it happened 100 times per day and it was always followed by the most awkward conversations I've ever had to see). I left pretty quickly.
On the other hand, I had a guild leader that for like 3 months I didn't even know was a girl and she was never treated any differently. Why? Because she had normal conversations and didn't flaunt herself. Just another player.
The large majority of women I've meet in games tend to be more like the former (although maybe not as extreme). Why? Because those that aren't craving attention, I either don't notice they're women or I notice later and it's like "Ok, want to go kill shit now or what?"
Sorry but if you're dating guild leaders, you're out there for attention and as a player it's annoying as fuck. "Oh look, some random new player, happens to be a girl and now is in the top of the guild because the guild leader is a desperate horny fuck and she's flirting with him. Yay." Of course people hate that shit. And from my experience these people always need to flirt in guild chat or alliance chat instead of PMs. Most annoying part of any online game is dealing with that 1 or 2 attention seeker in every alliance. I have left dozens of guilds because of these people. They ruin my gaming experience with no exception.
Yes it's unfair that if you say you're a women some nerds will jump all over you, but at the same time, you're playing an online game; there's no need to reveal your personal information to random people. Letting everyone know you're a girl won't make killing things more fun. If no one asks, don't say you're a girl. If someone does ask, say you are. If they make a big deal out of it put them on ignore and call them out for being lame fucks.
You join the vent server and people are like "wtf you're a girl?". Go "get over it, I just want to play the game as well".
Not complicated. As I said, the only ones with problems are those that seek the attention because they want to feel special.
Lol wtf at this viewpoint. Because it's not like guys ever flaunt their "maleness" on the internet. </sarcasm> (Check out the 25 girl blogs that have probably been posted in the last 2 weeks for an example.)
Lol, seriously, telling someone you're a girl isn't like telling them that you have a drug habit, or even like telling them that you're homosexual (to which your argument has a striking parallel with the DADT debate). Being a male or a female is one of the most basic and first things that someone usually learns about you when you meet them, at least irl. So your assertion that girls should fly under the radar and keep their gender a secret is quite ridiculous.
I think there's something profoundly broken around the gaming society for girls to be treated the way they are. And I'm saying this as a guy.
Look at the options you have as a girl:
1) Hide the fact that you're a girl. This is just sick. Why would somebody have to hide who they friggen are to not get harassed? Because internet people are crazy? Seriously, people on the internet are the same as those on the street, just hiding under anonimity, thinking it's alright to troll on a girl they'd never approach in real life. It creats a bias in the gaming community. I never want to hide that I'm a dude, never want to hide that I'm Swiss, nor that I like pizza. So why would a girl have to hide her sex? That's just ridiculous.
2) Not hide the fact you're a girl, which leads to:
a - people thinking you're just plain stupid, good image for esports there
b - people thinking you're weak, good thing we still live on the 1800s! oh wait...I can only imagine how much of a pain it is when you just want to be yourself and every other day you get chevalresque treatement because your fragile little self must be preserved and protected. . c - people getting a crush on you, seriously, when did gaming become a meat market? I'm very attractive, why don't I ever get asked out? Because I'm a dude and it seems that girls and homosexuals aren't as delusionnal as your average guy. Some of these crushes may be legitimate sure, but I'm quite sure the emo factor has a huge role to play.
d - people who just don't care, or at the very least don't treat you any differently than they would a girl IRL (for those who know what that means). I don't know if this is a majority of guys or not, but it definitely isn't enough.
Wanna respect women in esports? Easy, here's some basic advice:
- Don't go on about how good looking or not they are in every other thread. If you want to do that join a modeling forum (or a pr0n one if you're that desperate).
- Don't give them special treatement, they're gamers and human beings just like us (a revolutionnary discovery, I know!)
- Don't get your hopes up, there is a right place and a right time for everything, and SC2 isn't a dating site.
- For everything else treat her the way you would treat a normal human being.
I'm saying negate completely the fact that there are women and go on making crude and derogatory humour (I don't have the energy to fight that anyhow), just be civilised.
Look at the options you have as a guy: 1) Hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
2) Don't hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
The internet is a cold, dark place, especially in regards to gaming. There are a few places where people are generally nice, or at least aren't 12 year olds hopped up on hormones (most of TL).
What the fuck do you expect?
Anyway, there's more assholes and idiots than kind and smart people, real world or otherwise. The internet just makes the assholes and idiots more bold and outspoken.
What? Being one of the bros is the shit. Not only can I act like a tool and get commended for it but if I want to, I can even PRETEND TO BE A GIRL and get hi5s for it.
I think people hate on you for being a vocal girl-gamer because you're disobeying your secret orders. You see, the internet is actually 70% female to 30% male, and the agency behind the cover-up wants the public to stick with the widely-held belief of 5/95 f/m, and you're not part of the designated 5%, therefore, they send specific people after you to try and make you hide yourself, because removing you would cause too much of a stir.
You're actually a hero, congrats for telling it how it is. Maybe this will pave way to make a TL a little bit more female-friendly. If not oh well, you are trying. Plus this is your blog, even if it doesn't you still get benefit, and so do the true people that like it.
I think there's something profoundly broken around the gaming society for girls to be treated the way they are. And I'm saying this as a guy.
Look at the options you have as a girl:
1) Hide the fact that you're a girl. This is just sick. Why would somebody have to hide who they friggen are to not get harassed? Because internet people are crazy? Seriously, people on the internet are the same as those on the street, just hiding under anonimity, thinking it's alright to troll on a girl they'd never approach in real life. It creats a bias in the gaming community. I never want to hide that I'm a dude, never want to hide that I'm Swiss, nor that I like pizza. So why would a girl have to hide her sex? That's just ridiculous.
2) Not hide the fact you're a girl, which leads to:
a - people thinking you're just plain stupid, good image for esports there
b - people thinking you're weak, good thing we still live on the 1800s! oh wait...I can only imagine how much of a pain it is when you just want to be yourself and every other day you get chevalresque treatement because your fragile little self must be preserved and protected. . c - people getting a crush on you, seriously, when did gaming become a meat market? I'm very attractive, why don't I ever get asked out? Because I'm a dude and it seems that girls and homosexuals aren't as delusionnal as your average guy. Some of these crushes may be legitimate sure, but I'm quite sure the emo factor has a huge role to play.
d - people who just don't care, or at the very least don't treat you any differently than they would a girl IRL (for those who know what that means). I don't know if this is a majority of guys or not, but it definitely isn't enough.
Wanna respect women in esports? Easy, here's some basic advice:
- Don't go on about how good looking or not they are in every other thread. If you want to do that join a modeling forum (or a pr0n one if you're that desperate).
- Don't give them special treatement, they're gamers and human beings just like us (a revolutionnary discovery, I know!)
- Don't get your hopes up, there is a right place and a right time for everything, and SC2 isn't a dating site.
- For everything else treat her the way you would treat a normal human being.
I'm saying negate completely the fact that there are women and go on making crude and derogatory humour (I don't have the energy to fight that anyhow), just be civilised.
Look at the options you have as a guy: 1) Hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
2) Don't hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
The internet is a cold, dark place, especially in regards to gaming. There are a few places where people are generally nice, or at least aren't 12 year olds hopped up on hormones (most of TL).
What the fuck do you expect?
Anyway, there's more assholes and idiots than kind and smart people, real world or otherwise. The internet just makes the assholes and idiots more bold and outspoken.
What? Being one of the bros is the shit. Not only can I act like a tool and get commended for it but if I want to, I can even PRETEND TO BE A GIRL and get hi5s for it.
On July 15 2011 03:45 Riku wrote: And you did read that I was also leading the raid, pretty much set on gear (more so than much of the group and they had personally asked me to come tank for them), and that I didn't ask for it nor demand it? Actually, I didn't even tell them I was female, but I don't really care to bother with a voice-changer on vent, and I was leading the raid, so I had to talk.
"The group told the person, "You should let Riku have that cloak, she really deserves it." They knew I was female, someone else had legitimately won the loot, but the group convinced that person to give it to me"
Nah, but I don't plan on nitpicking here all day long, since you perfectly described yourself in your OP post. You don't need to explain anything.
As Avilo said, just be an average gamer, or if you got something worthwhile to contribute, then contribute.
No, please, nitpick something I already discussed. This thread is making me very fond of constantly repeating myself.
On July 15 2011 03:45 Riku wrote:
Actually, I didn't even tell them I was female, but I don't really care to bother with a voice-changer on vent, and I was leading the raid, so I had to talk.
Her "name" is Rikukitty (RikkuKitty?) and she does alot of attention-whoring on forums and other sites.
LOL this was in one of the links you posted. So true.
So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
An interesting post to say the least. My response turned out to be more impassioned than I'd originally wanted it to be: First of all, that Alexstrasza costume was very well done and anyone commenting on how you looked in it completely missed the point of cosplaying. I know this and I've never cosplayed, nor have I ever been to a con. If one were to judge how you looked in that costume, I personally would have no complaints. I find it offensive when people say a girl looks too thin nowadays; it is plain and simple jealousy. Second of all the problem with girls entering into any male-dominated realm is that the males in said realm often do not know how to deal with women in the least. Your best bet in any case is not to mention your gender until after people have gotten to know you a little bit first. It'll lessen the reactionary responses that you probably get (the "I LOVE YOU" or "I HATE YOU" responses), when you finally do reveal your gender.
The reactionary responses reflect the lack of experience of the male denizens of whatever internet realm you're in. The "I LOVE YOU" types treat any female attention or kindness as some reciprocation of their immediate attraction, and when their attentions produce no results they switch over to the "I HATE YOU" side of things. Anything you do after that point will be treated with disdain, and anything you earn will be blamed on favoritism on the part of your gender. You can't really blame their caution as this does happen a lot in the real world.
The problem too is that a lot of girls do ruin it for the rest. The ones that invoke typical female stereotypes, take the free lunch offered by desperate male members of a community/guild, immediately shout "I'm a girl!", or tout feminist bull-crap all ruin it for the rest of you. The best you can do is be yourself and be casual about your gender and hope for the best. As soon as you make a stink, or worse, buy into the female bull crap that men so despise, you're only a part of the problem. Don't forget though that the males that give girls a hard time and the ones that give girls and easy time are just as guilty of ruining the relationship between the sexes online. The real unfortunate thing though is that you're a product of your environment. You've been on the internet for years receiving special attention for either your gender or your looks, and you can't tell me that in all this time you haven't enjoyed or taken advantage of this attention once. Whether you like it or not that attention has shaped your behaviour, and everything you do from the outset is at least partially influenced by how much attention you are aware that you are going to get.
For God's sake just look at the number of views corresponding to the title of this blog post.
This happens to girls in real life all the time. It's really sad that this is what society is. But guess what? You can't change it. The best you can do is try to be yourself and be aware enough of what you're doing to avoid becoming something that you hate. But what if you like the attention? What if you have no problem forsaking a little of your reputation to get what you want?
Then women basically start trading sex or their affection for whatever they want.
Not that I or other men capitalizing from this shift in values are complaining. It's just a sad reality that my chances of ever finding someone that I consider my equal are practically nil. I cannot trust that anyone I'm with won't be completely honest with me about their intentions, so all I can do is get the most out of someone that I can.
That is not really where I initially intended the discussion to go, it just went in that direction. I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences. But as I was writing this blog it donned on me that even she might be guilty of what I'm worried about.
Her "name" is Rikukitty (RikkuKitty?) and she does alot of attention-whoring on forums and other sites.
LOL this was in one of the links you posted. So true.
So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
Her "name" is Rikukitty (RikkuKitty?) and she does alot of attention-whoring on forums and other sites.
LOL this was in one of the links you posted. So true.
So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Correction, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL showing VERY little interest in SC. Just saying you like it doesn't count.
This OP screams "girl on the internet syndrome". You're a woman who is talking about herself. Of course everyone will spam "attention whore". What else were you expecting?
Her "name" is Rikukitty (RikkuKitty?) and she does alot of attention-whoring on forums and other sites.
LOL this was in one of the links you posted. So true.
So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues.
See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
On July 15 2011 04:20 Lennon wrote: This OP screams "girl on the internet syndrome". You're a woman who is talking about herself. Of course everyone will spam "attention whore". What else were you expecting?
ugh getting attention is the point of blogs in the first place, isn't it? seriously, the double standard here is ridiculous.
Her "name" is Rikukitty (RikkuKitty?) and she does alot of attention-whoring on forums and other sites.
LOL this was in one of the links you posted. So true.
So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues.
Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one.
So i heard that Riku was a girl and has a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but i cant find it. I tried googling image "Riku's body" but i couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of her nice body, anybody have it?
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
On July 15 2011 04:25 xarthaz wrote: So i heard that Riku was a girl and has a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but i cant find it. I tried googling image "Riku's body" but i couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of her nice body, anybody have it?
On July 15 2011 04:20 Lennon wrote: This OP screams "girl on the internet syndrome". You're a woman who is talking about herself. Of course everyone will spam "attention whore". What else were you expecting?
ugh getting attention is the point of blogs in the first place, isn't it? seriously, the double standard here is ridiculous.
but the manner in which you get attention is important
Well I'm not sure if this will encourage you or discourage you, and of course this is just IMO: But the way you are treated on the internet is not some phenomenon limited to the internet, rather it is a reflection of how our society views women in general - minus the social restrictions that normally prevent people from saying whatever the fuck is on their mind at the time. Basically the glove come off, but the mindset is the same.
That love me / hate me sign is a great way to describe it - you also wear that sign when you go to a bar, when you're at work, when you stop at the gas station, etc. Men in general have a very degraded (that is what I would consider it) view of women, and they can be really good at keeping it a secret. It's often a "guys only" time thing. Then for men who aren't like that are usually too cowardly to normally say something among their peers. That is why whenever you post a picture of yourself you will always have tons of people running wild with absurd levels of rudeness and then there will almost always be a few going way out of their way to be the white knight. I would guess women have their own version, like what you said about being on top.
When you first walk into a room, basically every single guy is going to judge how attractive or unattractive you are, and in that moment it is easily the most important thing about you. Most men will just follow through with that while few will try to ignore it. Even for me (ugh). Kind of like how you said females want to be on top, but you think it can mostly be suppressed, well it's the same way for me about this. I don't like it for some reason, so I try to suppress it, but it's still always there. It's got to be some kind of instinct.
Her "name" is Rikukitty (RikkuKitty?) and she does alot of attention-whoring on forums and other sites.
LOL this was in one of the links you posted. So true.
So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues.
Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one.
Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen.
On July 15 2011 04:20 Lennon wrote: This OP screams "girl on the internet syndrome". You're a woman who is talking about herself. Of course everyone will spam "attention whore". What else were you expecting?
ugh getting attention is the point of blogs in the first place, isn't it? seriously, the double standard here is ridiculous.
On July 15 2011 04:03 matjlav wrote: Riku, this was a very good blog post. Something happened to you, you were upset about it, and it's a problem in the internet that deserves to be pointed out. It was not a bad post by any stretch of the imagination, and I totally agree that sexism on the internet is quite rampant.
Unfortunately, it comes with the territory (much like homophobia) of a community that has a high proportion of immature male nerds.
Well, being a girl on the internet is only harder if you make it so.
From my experience, the majority of girls that have problem with their gender in online games love to proclaim that they are girls and always crave the attention.
For example : I was in an alliance in Guild Wars with a woman that would flirt with literally every guy in the alliance, would say "Spank you" instead of "Thank you" when people donated faction and the horny 15 year olds loved it (seriously, it happened 100 times per day and it was always followed by the most awkward conversations I've ever had to see). I left pretty quickly.
On the other hand, I had a guild leader that for like 3 months I didn't even know was a girl and she was never treated any differently. Why? Because she had normal conversations and didn't flaunt herself. Just another player.
The large majority of women I've meet in games tend to be more like the former (although maybe not as extreme). Why? Because those that aren't craving attention, I either don't notice they're women or I notice later and it's like "Ok, want to go kill shit now or what?"
Sorry but if you're dating guild leaders, you're out there for attention and as a player it's annoying as fuck. "Oh look, some random new player, happens to be a girl and now is in the top of the guild because the guild leader is a desperate horny fuck and she's flirting with him. Yay." Of course people hate that shit. And from my experience these people always need to flirt in guild chat or alliance chat instead of PMs. Most annoying part of any online game is dealing with that 1 or 2 attention seeker in every alliance. I have left dozens of guilds because of these people. They ruin my gaming experience with no exception.
Yes it's unfair that if you say you're a women some nerds will jump all over you, but at the same time, you're playing an online game; there's no need to reveal your personal information to random people. Letting everyone know you're a girl won't make killing things more fun. If no one asks, don't say you're a girl. If someone does ask, say you are. If they make a big deal out of it put them on ignore and call them out for being lame fucks.
You join the vent server and people are like "wtf you're a girl?". Go "get over it, I just want to play the game as well".
Not complicated. As I said, the only ones with problems are those that seek the attention because they want to feel special.
Lol wtf at this viewpoint. Because it's not like guys ever flaunt their "maleness" on the internet. </sarcasm> (Check out the 25 girl blogs that have probably been posted in the last 2 weeks for an example.)
Lol, seriously, telling someone you're a girl isn't like telling them that you have a drug habit, or even like telling them that you're homosexual (to which your argument has a striking parallel with the DADT debate). Being a male or a female is one of the most basic and first things that someone usually learns about you when you meet them, at least irl. So your assertion that girls should fly under the radar and keep their gender a secret is quite ridiculous.
You don't understand my point.
First, it was about online games, not the internet in general. Second, I play online games for fun, not to watch people socialize, much less flirt. I don't care if I'm playing with a guy, a woman or a horse as long as it's fun. My point is that it's pointless to start talking about your personal info and feelings in a game, because it's not a chat room. People play it to, get this, play the game.
I make it a point to learn nothing about the people I play with besides their character name, otherwise it ruins the immersion. I don't give out my real name or info ingame. Not everyone follows that and some like to socialize as well. Fine, I don't mind it.
There are annoying people in every game : young and old, guys and girls. I don't hate a person because she's a woman and I don't expect her to go out of her way to hide that fact as well (which I said in my first post). But it just happens that, in my experience, women are much more susceptible to being that annoying person that makes me leave a guild or have them on permanent ignore.
People that feel the need to flirts with guys in the game and get benefits because of their gender ruin gaming experiences. I do not enjoy playing with such people.
I don't, however, mind playing with women that simply cut the BS and play like any other person would. It's not hiding their femininity. It's just that it doesn't matter in this scenario.
Girls should fly under the radar, not because they are female, but because they are playing a game the same way as everyone else. I don't proclaim I am a man, and to people online some might even think I'm a woman. At the end of the day, gender in not important in online games.
Like I said earlier, only those that want the attention get it. You can be a known girl in an online community with 0 problem with little nerds. Sure, a few of them will try to hit on them when they learn that they're female, but a simple word to let them know you're just another player and it's over. People that become obsessed with the idea of a woman playing get banned from guilds that I'm in.
So, in conclusion : You misunderstand my point. Women don't need to hide their gender. It simply does not matter in online games. If no one asks, no need to answer about it. If someone does ask, then simply answer the truth. If they make a big deal about it, it's their own fault.
Some people on the internet just dont want to do you any good, not because you are ugly or stupid, just because they can. It's the internet you can do whatever you want with no major consequences. Instead of wasting attention on the haters spread happiness to those who GLHF you and mean it.
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What? This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
I know, I edited that comment. Goddamn it though.
On July 15 2011 04:25 xarthaz wrote: So i heard that Riku was a girl and has a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but i cant find it. I tried googling image "Riku's body" but i couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of her nice body, anybody have it?
Search "Alexstrasza". Hell, after realizing she's just like the rest, might as well treat her that way, eh? To paraphrase my previous marathon post: If a girl so obviously enjoys being an object and we enjoy her being the object, I guess she's an object then. No problem.
I've sometimes been thinking how awesome it would be to be a girl on the internet, all the positive attention you would get. Then i realise you have to be tough as a fucking tank to deal with all the other shit, not to mention if you actually would be a fat girl with an attitude; which probably would have been me holy shit . good blog.
I think there's something profoundly broken around the gaming society for girls to be treated the way they are. And I'm saying this as a guy.
Look at the options you have as a girl:
1) Hide the fact that you're a girl. This is just sick. Why would somebody have to hide who they friggen are to not get harassed? Because internet people are crazy? Seriously, people on the internet are the same as those on the street, just hiding under anonimity, thinking it's alright to troll on a girl they'd never approach in real life. It creats a bias in the gaming community. I never want to hide that I'm a dude, never want to hide that I'm Swiss, nor that I like pizza. So why would a girl have to hide her sex? That's just ridiculous.
2) Not hide the fact you're a girl, which leads to:
a - people thinking you're just plain stupid, good image for esports there
b - people thinking you're weak, good thing we still live on the 1800s! oh wait...I can only imagine how much of a pain it is when you just want to be yourself and every other day you get chevalresque treatement because your fragile little self must be preserved and protected. . c - people getting a crush on you, seriously, when did gaming become a meat market? I'm very attractive, why don't I ever get asked out? Because I'm a dude and it seems that girls and homosexuals aren't as delusionnal as your average guy. Some of these crushes may be legitimate sure, but I'm quite sure the emo factor has a huge role to play.
d - people who just don't care, or at the very least don't treat you any differently than they would a girl IRL (for those who know what that means). I don't know if this is a majority of guys or not, but it definitely isn't enough.
Wanna respect women in esports? Easy, here's some basic advice:
- Don't go on about how good looking or not they are in every other thread. If you want to do that join a modeling forum (or a pr0n one if you're that desperate).
- Don't give them special treatement, they're gamers and human beings just like us (a revolutionnary discovery, I know!)
- Don't get your hopes up, there is a right place and a right time for everything, and SC2 isn't a dating site.
- For everything else treat her the way you would treat a normal human being.
I'm saying negate completely the fact that there are women and go on making crude and derogatory humour (I don't have the energy to fight that anyhow), just be civilised.
Look at the options you have as a guy: 1) Hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
2) Don't hide the fact that you're a guy. Then you're bashed for being a fag and told you're awful and you should die etc
The internet is a cold, dark place, especially in regards to gaming. There are a few places where people are generally nice, or at least aren't 12 year olds hopped up on hormones (most of TL).
What the fuck do you expect?
It's cliché but just look at the thread on SlayerS_Eve. Then look at any thread of any korean dude joining a new progaming team.
Spot any difference?
Show me a thread about an unknown amateur gamer joining a Korean pro team.
In fact, show me an actual unknown amateur with no progaming history and tournament success that HAS joined a Korean pro team (there probably are a few, but I imagine 99% on TL hasn't the faintest idea who they are and would have to dig through TLPD for hours to find some).
I don't see the difference because there ARE NO articles about unknown amateur Korean players.
LOL this was in one of the links you posted. So true.
So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues.
Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one.
Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen.
Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am?
Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context.
The more you go after the people calling you an attention whore, the more that they are going to believe you are an attention whore. I thought it was a great post until I started reading the comments. The more and more you and other people argued the more I believe them =/ I'd just let it be.
I played WoW for two years and it was never as bad as you made it out to be. Most of the girls were pretty chill. The ones that all complained like in your blog post were also the attention whoring ones. The ones that didn't give a shit were just like any other person.
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote: See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
to Riku: i don't know why people pester you online. oh wait, i'm annoying you right now. i guess the girl status really stands out; you can try abusing it - games are meant to be taken lightly anyways haha
I don't think what you're experiencing is limited to the internet. You're going to run into a lot of the same views/reactions from people in the real world as well.
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote: See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender.
Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
So a dude looking for attention is a troll, and a girl is a whore?
Smooth.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues.
Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one.
Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen.
Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am?
Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context.
No, it's not a trick. You seriously are getting defensive and it's strange. I'm not taking anything out of context. Your attitude is one that is warn-worthy according to some of the mods. I'm just letting you know that because it happened to me. AKA I hold a similar idea to yours and was warned for it. You responded to my information by getting defensive.
The more you go after the people calling you an attention whore, the more that they are going to believe you are an attention whore. I thought it was a great post until I started reading the comments. The more and more you and other people argued the more I believe them =/ I'd just let it be.
I played WoW for two years and it was never as bad as you made it out to be. Most of the girls were pretty chill. The ones that all complained like in your blog post were also the attention whoring ones. The ones that didn't give a shit were just like any other person.
I think you completely misunderstood. I said I had no issues in WoW other than a few small incidents. In fact, I tried to focus on how I wasn't given any priority when it came to video games.
:/
I'm starting to wonder if I'm a really bad writer and can't get my point across or if people aren't really reading my posts.
On July 15 2011 04:43 tofucake wrote: I didn't attack you, I just said I found your attitude of "SC or gtfo" annoying.
Ok, well its more like "some sc or gtfo" if you want to be fair.
Read my previous blog.
On July 15 2011 04:48 IzieBoy wrote:
picture says a thousand words... she's hot!!!
to Riku: i don't know why people pester you online. oh wait, i'm annoying you right now. i guess the girl status really stands out; you can try abusing it - games are meant to be taken lightly anyways haha
Oh, fuck, I hate that picture. Please remove it. I don't find it flattering and I really don't care for people to be distracted from the topic by it.
:'(
And I don't want to abuse it! I like being competitive! There is no fun in the competition if you have an unfair advantage!
On July 15 2011 04:52 Dance. wrote: Lets just say posting a pic counts to focusing on your gender in a blog...how many is that now?
6 of my 56 blogs have a picture of myself in them.
One of those was because pictures were demanded for the vacation I took.
So that would be 5 out of 56 blogs + this blog, so 6 out of 56.
Though I don't see how posting pictures of a vacation that I happen to be in is any more focusing on my gender than males who do the exact same thing and never receive any comment towards their gender.
Who the hell is looking for attention? I'm certainly not interested in yours. If I want attention, maybe I should blog about it.
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues.
Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one.
Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen.
Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am?
Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context.
No, it's not a trick. You seriously are getting defensive and it's strange. I'm not taking anything out of context. Your attitude is one that is warn-worthy according to some of the mods. I'm just letting you know that because it happened to me. AKA I hold a similar idea to yours and was warned for it. You responded to my information by getting defensive.
If i come off as defensive in my post (which i dont understand) I assure you it is not because I fear a warn or ban. Right now I dont even know what Im talking about with you. Im sorry you got warned and im glad you have a similar attitude with me. Im sorry if I come off defensive, it was inadvertent. We cool?
To riku: i did read your blog an that was hardly a sc blog. More like a crush blog. Also 1blog out of 56 doesnt count imo...
Tons of people are looking for attention. Look at all the trolls, the bloggers, the casters, the streamers, etc.
In any case this isn't remotely related to the point I was making
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues.
Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one.
Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen.
Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am?
Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context.
No, it's not a trick. You seriously are getting defensive and it's strange. I'm not taking anything out of context. Your attitude is one that is warn-worthy according to some of the mods. I'm just letting you know that because it happened to me. AKA I hold a similar idea to yours and was warned for it. You responded to my information by getting defensive.
If i come off as defensive in my post (which i dont understand) I assure you it is not because I fear a warn or ban. Right now I dont even know what Im talking about with you. Im sorry you got warned and im glad you have a similar attitude with me. Im sorry if I come off defensive, it was inadvertent. We cool?
I don't get why people are calling Riku out for being an "attention whore" and/or too focused on herself. I mean, this is the Blogs section. Blogs are ... supposed to be about yourself in some way, shape, or form?
Anyways, had a friend once who pretended to be female in a MMORPG game. A few days later, he completely understands why females typically a.) don't announce their gender and pretend to be guys and b.) typically don't play online games. My sister has pretended to be a guy online for years now and doesn't have any plans of stopping anytime soon.
When people (guys) talk about "acting normal and you'll be fine", they imply act like a dude, because that is the norm in most games/gaming forums. But men and women express themselves differently; the way we talk, write, our body language - all of it. It doesn't matter much what country or culture you are from, you probably will express yourself more like the people from other cultures of your own sex than of the opposite sex in your own culture. So acting normal (not like a dude) on the Internet will stand out when the vast majority are teenage boys.
Teenagers of both genders are what they are, you can't really expect to change them or how they approach the opposite gender (hormons and all). Teen boys talk the same way about girls in their highschools as they do on the Internet. Teen girls as well. But they don't talk to the other gender the same way on the Internet. Eventually, most of them will grow up and get a different perspective, however some will stay the same. But since TL is stocked with teenage boys, this is what you get unfortunately. For ever veteran user that gets a kid or turn 30, there's 10000 new 14 year olds signing up.
One thing that can change however is the ratio of men and women - in gaming in general, and in gaming communities. I hope that will help a large amount to the general environment for girls in gaming but there are still lots and lots of teenage boys being teenage boys! You can take the silent route and pretend to be a dude but from this blog post (I've only read this one), I get the feeling that you would rather meet this problem head on and try discussing it. But discussion with teenagers of any gender is mostly pointless.
Finally, with the regards to the cosplay dress: It's no more revealing than "remember when MTV had music videos?", and to dress in one like it takes some metaphorical balls. Which fun considering the comments it got.
Wow...you have no point. casters and streamers contribute SC related things because....this is a SC site. Very few people come here talking about only WoW and LoL with litte-none SC related content and streams LoL posting WoW cosplay. Do you really not understand the difference, or do I have to break it down some more?
EDIT: Edited the adjective stupid when describing WoW cosplay
Really? Explain the LoL forum. Sure, there's not much talk about cosplay here, but there are plenty of other groups of people who come just for certain boards, even for only certain threads. TL is a community of people. People have different interests. We aren't going to say "you don't talk about SC fuck you", and frankly I find your attitude annoying.
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I see TL as an SC site, I find it annoying when someone constantly talks about WoW and LoL in a thread not relating. That's my attitude, I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Apparently some of the mods don't agree with you. I was just warned yesterday by a mod for simply asking Riku why she posted an entire blog solely talking about her WoW issues.
Yea? And some mods like to create artificial drama in Riku's blogs even against prominent translators of the community. I didn't say everyone agreed with me, but I can't be the only one.
Why are you getting so defensive? Nobody cares if a few random TL people agree with you. If the modders don't agree, then nothing's going to happen.
Is this a trick to get me to say im not being defensive to prove that I am?
Im defending my attitude to tofucakes would attcked me for my "annoying attitude." id appreciate you not taking things out of context.
No, it's not a trick. You seriously are getting defensive and it's strange. I'm not taking anything out of context. Your attitude is one that is warn-worthy according to some of the mods. I'm just letting you know that because it happened to me. AKA I hold a similar idea to yours and was warned for it. You responded to my information by getting defensive.
If i come off as defensive in my post (which i dont understand) I assure you it is not because I fear a warn or ban. Right now I dont even know what Im talking about with you. Im sorry you got warned and im glad you have a similar attitude with me. Im sorry if I come off defensive, it was inadvertent. We cool?
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote: See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender.
Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
Thanks, Tofu, that was in fact my point. It's about relevance. My military time isn't relevant in this community, but if I bring it up, I instantly get judged. Multiple judgements, and the majority of them aren't true.
The difference, Riku, is that I hate BOTH polarized judgements. I'll bitch someone out for thanking me for what I did in Iraq. I hate that shit, and the ones thanking me think I was finding WMD's, and are convinced that since we found them (we didn't really) that taking down Hussein while we were there was a legitimate sort of move (not when we invade under a false premise).
If someone goes the other extreme, I'll rip them a new one, or knock them out if they do it in person. Why? Because they're wrong, and if they want to call me a baby-killer, they better be ready to find out what happens when you antagonize someone you think is that hostile.
The point is, you're perfectly content getting white-knight reactions, and people who follow your blog religiously (Hint, they're doing it because you're a female gamer and they're a step away from e-stalker), but you expect not to get the other reaction.
You can't have the best of both worlds. It's impossible. If you bring in an irrelevant and polarized detail about yourself, expect people on both sides to react to it.
So tell off your defenders, handle the flak you get yourself, and maybe people will think more of you.
I think you completely misunderstood. I said I had no issues in WoW other than a few small incidents. In fact, I tried to focus on how I wasn't given any priority when it came to video games.
:/
I'm starting to wonder if I'm a really bad writer and can't get my point across or if people aren't really reading my posts.
Could you clearly state what your point is?
What reactions do you expect to get from posting this?
edit: Jingle hit the nail on the head. Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows, you have to be prepared for the lovers and the haters.
I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
On July 15 2011 04:00 Riku wrote:I can take the heat, but I can't stand people being absolute asshats and idiots.
Unfortunately, as Jibba wisely put it, you have to get used to it. People are raised with certain preconceptions and prejudices that they don't care or don't have the perspective to challenge. They see three pieces of evidence (or 10 or 20, the number does not matter) and make a definitive conclusion about the state of something. Most women are X. Most Jewish people are Y. Most Republicans are Z. Most Turkish people are Q. Most white people are W. Most people who play World of Warcraft are V.
They don't even understand why making a conclusion is wrong if you press them on it (this thread has many examples). It's VERY easy to make conclusions and to put people into categories. Close-minded people need categories and labels to sort people into folders like a filing system. It's hard to keep an open mind and judge every single person completely on their own merits and try as hard as possible (everyone slips on this sometimes) not to let your own bias invade your assessment.
You can take solace in the fact that these people lack perspective and as long as you challenge your own beliefs (for if you don't, you'll be no better than they are - just from the opposite perspective), you will be better than they are.
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote: See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender.
Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
Thanks, Tofu, that was in fact my point. It's about relevance. My military time isn't relevant in this community, but if I bring it up, I instantly get judged. Multiple judgements, and the majority of them aren't true.
The difference, Riku, is that I hate BOTH polarized judgements. I'll bitch someone out for thanking me for what I did in Iraq. I hate that shit, and the ones thanking me think I was finding WMD's, and are convinced that since we found them (we didn't really) that taking down Hussein while we were there was a legitimate sort of move (not when we invade under a false premise).
If someone goes the other extreme, I'll rip them a new one, or knock them out if they do it in person. Why? Because they're wrong, and if they want to call me a baby-killer, they better be ready to find out what happens when you antagonize someone you think is that hostile.
The point is, you're perfectly content getting white-knight reactions, and people who follow your blog religiously (Hint, they're doing it because you're a female gamer and they're a step away from e-stalker), but you expect not to get the other reaction.
You can't have the best of both worlds. It's impossible. If you bring in an irrelevant and polarized detail about yourself, expect people on both sides to react to it.
So tell off your defenders, handle the flak you get yourself, and maybe people will think more of you.
Great post. Can't have your cake and eat it too. And thank you for your service to our country, you big stud, you.
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
Yeah, that was the first Riku blog I read too. Kind of causes a reaction. While I don't particularly have a problem with the notion of wanting attention, I do have a problem with people acting like they're shocked when they get the natural range of reactions to what they say or do.
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
i dont see how any of this is her taking advantage. She posted a personally story about being a minority in the gaming scene, with a little bit of history of her life as well.
People post life stories and opinions all the time in these blogs, big deal.
is she taking advantage of her being a girl for attention here? no, she posted a blog expressing opinions and thoughts, like so many other people do.
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote: See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender.
Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
Thanks, Tofu, that was in fact my point. It's about relevance. My military time isn't relevant in this community, but if I bring it up, I instantly get judged. Multiple judgements, and the majority of them aren't true.
The difference, Riku, is that I hate BOTH polarized judgements. I'll bitch someone out for thanking me for what I did in Iraq. I hate that shit, and the ones thanking me think I was finding WMD's, and are convinced that since we found them (we didn't really) that taking down Hussein while we were there was a legitimate sort of move (not when we invade under a false premise).
If someone goes the other extreme, I'll rip them a new one, or knock them out if they do it in person. Why? Because they're wrong, and if they want to call me a baby-killer, they better be ready to find out what happens when you antagonize someone you think is that hostile.
The point is, you're perfectly content getting white-knight reactions, and people who follow your blog religiously (Hint, they're doing it because you're a female gamer and they're a step away from e-stalker), but you expect not to get the other reaction.
You can't have the best of both worlds. It's impossible. If you bring in an irrelevant and polarized detail about yourself, expect people on both sides to react to it.
So tell off your defenders, handle the flak you get yourself, and maybe people will think more of you.
I assure you, people follow my blog for reasons other than I'm a female gamer and I find it highly insulting that you would even suggest that is the only reason people follow my blogs.
I don't like special treatment for being female. In fact, I was very happy I didn't get any in WoW. Of course, it's fun to laugh about the few weird incidences that happen, but I am by no means proud nor encouraging of them.
My blog is to write about my opinions and experiences. Just so happens I experience everything in the world as a woman, so I happen to mention that occassionally. I don't want to be treated better or worse for it. If you note, my "Guy Blog" isn't titled [Guy Blog], though that would undoubtedly have gotten me a lot more views and attention.
I'm not going to tell off my "defenders," though. I think it is extremely rude to bash on someone when they go out on a limb for you, especially when they might just be defending me because they believe in what I'm saying, not because I have breasts. That doesn't mean I plan to cheer them on when I believe they are defending me just because of my gender, though.
On July 15 2011 05:35 TheAura wrote: i dont see how any of this is her taking advantage. She posted a personally story about being a minority in the gaming scene, with a little bit of history of her life as well.
People post life stories and opinions all the time in these blogs, big deal.
is she taking advantage of her being a girl for attention here? no, she posted a blog expressing opinions and thoughts, like so many other people do.
the fact is, Riku, is that people are assholes.
Get used to it
.
More asians play video games than white people. That makes me a minority. You know what would happen if I made a blog about being white?
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote: See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender.
Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
Thanks, Tofu, that was in fact my point. It's about relevance. My military time isn't relevant in this community, but if I bring it up, I instantly get judged. Multiple judgements, and the majority of them aren't true.
The difference, Riku, is that I hate BOTH polarized judgements. I'll bitch someone out for thanking me for what I did in Iraq. I hate that shit, and the ones thanking me think I was finding WMD's, and are convinced that since we found them (we didn't really) that taking down Hussein while we were there was a legitimate sort of move (not when we invade under a false premise).
If someone goes the other extreme, I'll rip them a new one, or knock them out if they do it in person. Why? Because they're wrong, and if they want to call me a baby-killer, they better be ready to find out what happens when you antagonize someone you think is that hostile.
The point is, you're perfectly content getting white-knight reactions, and people who follow your blog religiously (Hint, they're doing it because you're a female gamer and they're a step away from e-stalker), but you expect not to get the other reaction.
You can't have the best of both worlds. It's impossible. If you bring in an irrelevant and polarized detail about yourself, expect people on both sides to react to it.
So tell off your defenders, handle the flak you get yourself, and maybe people will think more of you.
I assure you, people follow my blog for reasons other than I'm a female gamer and I find it highly insulting that you would even suggest that is the only reason people follow my blogs.
I don't like special treatment for being female. In fact, I was very happy I didn't get any in WoW. Of course, it's fun to laugh about the few weird incidences that happen, but I am by no means proud nor encouraging of them.
My blog is to write about my opinions and experiences. Just so happens I experience everything in the world as a woman, so I happen to mention that occassionally. I don't want to be treated better or worse for it. If you note, my "Guy Blog" isn't titled [Guy Blog], though that would undoubtedly have gotten me a lot more views and attention.
I'm not going to tell off my "defenders," though. I think it is extremely rude to bash on someone when they go out on a limb for you, especially when they might just be defending me because they believe in what I'm saying, not because I have breasts. That doesn't mean I plan to cheer them on when I believe they are defending me just because of my gender, though.
Clever of you to ignore the part of his post that makes sense and focus on the part where he says you are a girl...
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote: See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender.
Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
Thanks, Tofu, that was in fact my point. It's about relevance. My military time isn't relevant in this community, but if I bring it up, I instantly get judged. Multiple judgements, and the majority of them aren't true.
The difference, Riku, is that I hate BOTH polarized judgements. I'll bitch someone out for thanking me for what I did in Iraq. I hate that shit, and the ones thanking me think I was finding WMD's, and are convinced that since we found them (we didn't really) that taking down Hussein while we were there was a legitimate sort of move (not when we invade under a false premise).
If someone goes the other extreme, I'll rip them a new one, or knock them out if they do it in person. Why? Because they're wrong, and if they want to call me a baby-killer, they better be ready to find out what happens when you antagonize someone you think is that hostile.
The point is, you're perfectly content getting white-knight reactions, and people who follow your blog religiously (Hint, they're doing it because you're a female gamer and they're a step away from e-stalker), but you expect not to get the other reaction.
You can't have the best of both worlds. It's impossible. If you bring in an irrelevant and polarized detail about yourself, expect people on both sides to react to it.
So tell off your defenders, handle the flak you get yourself, and maybe people will think more of you.
I assure you, people follow my blog for reasons other than I'm a female gamer and I find it highly insulting that you would even suggest that is the only reason people follow my blogs.
I don't like special treatment for being female. In fact, I was very happy I didn't get any in WoW. Of course, it's fun to laugh about the few weird incidences that happen, but I am by no means proud nor encouraging of them.
My blog is to write about my opinions and experiences. Just so happens I experience everything in the world as a woman, so I happen to mention that occassionally. I don't want to be treated better or worse for it. If you note, my "Guy Blog" isn't titled [Guy Blog], though that would undoubtedly have gotten me a lot more views and attention.
I'm not going to tell off my "defenders," though. I think it is extremely rude to bash on someone when they go out on a limb for you, especially when they might just be defending me because they believe in what I'm saying, not because I have breasts. That doesn't mean I plan to cheer them on when I believe they are defending me just because of my gender, though.
You find it highly insulting. In the same way you're shocked that people react to you being a female gamer, despite all evidence you've personally experienced to the contrary? You're shocked and insulted too easily. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but considering your blog whining about having to wear clothes... well sorry, I do in fact expect that people are titillated and responding to that.
You say you don't like the special treatment, but you turn around and say you aren't going to stop people from continuing the cycle. If you allow yourself to be the woman who needs defending, you're perpetuating the image you claim to not want to exist.
My wife fights her own battles. If I jump in and she isn't actually in physical danger, she'll yell at me for acting like she can't handle things for herself. That's gender equality, and she's able to succeed at acting like one of the guys. She never gets shit as a female gamer for long, because she doesn't get thin-skinned, and she dishes it back until they run crying to mommy.
You want equality, that's how you get it. Equality on both sides of the line, not just the one where you don't like it.
On July 15 2011 05:35 TheAura wrote: i dont see how any of this is her taking advantage. She posted a personally story about being a minority in the gaming scene, with a little bit of history of her life as well.
People post life stories and opinions all the time in these blogs, big deal.
is she taking advantage of her being a girl for attention here? no, she posted a blog expressing opinions and thoughts, like so many other people do.
the fact is, Riku, is that people are assholes.
Get used to it
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More asians play video games than white people. That makes me a minority. You know what would happen if I made a blog about being white?
You tofucolored pos. Don't you DARE write that blog and oppress me with your conformist culturally dominant beliefs.
In other news, I liked Riku's clock heart story. I think that was her? And I never read the one about panties and walking around naked. Anyone want to link?
Also, why do girls always reference boobs when they talk about gender differences? Plenty of guys have boobs too. I think the more significant difference is further down.
You post a blog almost every day and they're always a story about yourself. If I met somebody in real life who was constantly talking about himself I would assume he wants attention really badly. Fine, you are who you are. But don't try to play yourself off as the victim. There are plenty of other female gamers and none of them receive anywhere near the same amount of hate.
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
Why would you even say that? You can EASILY check what my first blog was. Here let me describe my first few blogs briefly with you:
1) Intro, plan to blog, plan to write magazine/website, video games 2) Easter, video games, Shakespeare costumes 3) How to make a costume (no gender, no pictures) 4) My laptop dying, Shakespeare 5) Hw, video games 6) Vindictus 7) Shakespeare play ...
Oh, but the Shakespeare blog did have a picture of me in my Shakespeare costume (though I was playing a male). I must being trying to get serious attention about my gender by posting those pictures!
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
Why would you even say that? You can EASILY check what my first blog was. Here let me describe my first few blogs briefly with you:
1) Intro, plan to blog, plan to write magazine/website, video games 2) Easter, video games, Shakespeare costumes 3) How to make a costume (no gender, no pictures) 4) My laptop dying, Shakespeare 5) Hw, video games 6) Vindictus 7) Shakespeare play ...
Oh, but the Shakespeare blog did have a picture of me in my Shakespeare costume (though I was playing a male). I must being trying to get serious attention about my gender by posting those pictures!
He said the first one he read, not the first one you wrote. Maybe you should go drink a glass of water and calm down, you seem to be reacting instead of thinking and responding.
A lot of people just click on blogs with catchy names when they're in the little box on the left hand side.
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
On July 15 2011 05:42 Riku wrote: Why would you even say that? You can EASILY check what my first blog was. Here let me describe my first few blogs briefly with you:
And you complain about people responding before reading your entire post?
People in MMO's just want to play the game, progress in content and while talking with people who are doing the same. If somebodies being an attention whore, almost every single time someone will call them out on it, I've played enough online games in my life where I've seen this happen all the time, if you crave attention people will hate on you/love you/not give a shit. It doesn't matter if your a girl or not, but every time it happens to a girl they play the gender card and act as if they are special for having to withstand the stress of being a girl that plays online games.
If a guy were to have done any of the things you did they probably would of gotten the same reaction.
TLDR: Can't figure out if all females are trolls, or just self centered
Just joking, I've played with plenty of girls who have had no problems at all because all they wanted to do was play the game, progress in content, while talking to people who were doing the same.
Real TLDR: Guys receive the same hate, your not special because of your gender.
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
Why would you even say that? You can EASILY check what my first blog was. Here let me describe my first few blogs briefly with you:
1) Intro, plan to blog, plan to write magazine/website, video games 2) Easter, video games, Shakespeare costumes 3) How to make a costume (no gender, no pictures) 4) My laptop dying, Shakespeare 5) Hw, video games 6) Vindictus 7) Shakespeare play ...
Oh, but the Shakespeare blog did have a picture of me in my Shakespeare costume (though I was playing a male). I must being trying to get serious attention about my gender by posting those pictures!
He said the first one he read, not the first one you wrote. Maybe you should go drink a glass of water and calm down, you seem to be reacting instead of thinking and responding.
A lot of people just click on blogs with catchy names when they're in the little box on the left hand side.
So you are saying making a snap judgement of a person's complete personality off a single post is good thing to practice?
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
Why would you even say that? You can EASILY check what my first blog was. Here let me describe my first few blogs briefly with you:
1) Intro, plan to blog, plan to write magazine/website, video games 2) Easter, video games, Shakespeare costumes 3) How to make a costume (no gender, no pictures) 4) My laptop dying, Shakespeare 5) Hw, video games 6) Vindictus 7) Shakespeare play ...
Oh, but the Shakespeare blog did have a picture of me in my Shakespeare costume (though I was playing a male). I must being trying to get serious attention about my gender by posting those pictures!
Uhh... I said "first blog of yours that i read." Don't get your panties in a bunch.
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
Why would you even say that? You can EASILY check what my first blog was. Here let me describe my first few blogs briefly with you:
1) Intro, plan to blog, plan to write magazine/website, video games 2) Easter, video games, Shakespeare costumes 3) How to make a costume (no gender, no pictures) 4) My laptop dying, Shakespeare 5) Hw, video games 6) Vindictus 7) Shakespeare play ...
Oh, but the Shakespeare blog did have a picture of me in my Shakespeare costume (though I was playing a male). I must being trying to get serious attention about my gender by posting those pictures!
He said the first one he read, not the first one you wrote. Maybe you should go drink a glass of water and calm down, you seem to be reacting instead of thinking and responding.
A lot of people just click on blogs with catchy names when they're in the little box on the left hand side.
So you are saying making a snap judgement of a person's complete personality off a single post is good thing to practice?
Whole personality? No, you think personalities are single-faceted? I can certainly deduce certain portions of personality from several, though, which is what I've done here.
And frankly, the worst people to listen to as far as personality traits are yourself and people who like you, in that order.
Very few people have the stones to be honest with their friends or people they like about their annoying quirks, and less can be honest with themselves.
Either way, I'm done with this, I don't feel the need to continue trying to give good advice where it isn't wanted, and I'm certainly not going to argue with the Riku Fanclub.
I think you completely misunderstood. I said I had no issues in WoW other than a few small incidents. In fact, I tried to focus on how I wasn't given any priority when it came to video games.
:/
I'm starting to wonder if I'm a really bad writer and can't get my point across or if people aren't really reading my posts.
Could you clearly state what your point is?
What reactions do you expect to get from posting this?
edit: Jingle hit the nail on the head. Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows, you have to be prepared for the lovers and the haters.
My point is that I don't see why men get their panties in a knot, either positively or negatively, about women on the Internet. I also intended to give an "inside perspective" so guys could see what it was like to be on the receiving end.
I expected worse than what I'm getting, actually. *shrug* I guess that's a win.
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
What? "Taking advantage"?
I wanted to rant about it and I figured it would be a subject that TL would like to discuss (which seems to be true). How was I taking advantage of anything? If I posted this blog from a gender neutral tone, I would hope I would have the same debates (the ones not focused on me being a female). However, it is a pain in the ass to write without bias on a subject you are bias about and I hate writing in third person when I have personal experiences that help me show my point, because then I can't use them.
On July 15 2011 04:22 JingleHell wrote: See, I think the issue here is that you're trying to get the best of both worlds. You want the benefits of being a known female gamer without the drawbacks.
You like attention. We all do. That's been done to death here. Nothing wrong with liking attention. But if you take advantage of your minority status (attractive female in a sea of males is definitely taking advantage of being in the minority), there WILL be people who dislike it. It isn't equal footing any more when you do that.
Do I think it's absolutely moronic that benefits or drawbacks exist? Absolutely. There should be no benefit or drawback. The fact is, it does happen. Since it does, and since people are really slow about changing in ways that would make them more reasonable, you are in a position where you have to pick.
If you want the benefits of being a known female in a majority single male group, you have to have thick skin. If you put yourself in the spotlight, at the forefront, to get that attention you like (like everyone else does), you have to be able to take what's going to come your way.
I'm a male. No, I don't have to hide that. But I also don't have to say it. Here's a better example. I'm an ex-soldier. I was in the US Army. That makes a lot of people hate me without any actual reason. You know what though? They can say what they want, I'll say something back, I'll laugh about it, they might piss me off, but I'll get under their skin too. But I didn't have to tell them. It's not hiding it at all. It's leaving the irrelevant baggage at the door.
My time in the Army has NOTHING to do with SC2. Your gender has NOTHING to do with SC2. If you bring it into things to get attention, you should be ready for the consequences. In other words, if you go about being an active part of the community without referencing being a female, you'll be on equal footing for getting attention.
You throw the female thing out there, it isn't equal footing anymore, but some of the attention just got negative. That's life, even if it is stupid.
I don't really care for the benefits. Certainly, it's nice knowing a number of people follow my blog, but I like to think they follow my blog because of what and how I write, not because I'm a woman.
As for you having been in the military, that isn't a huge trait about you. Being a female is something that effects every single waking moment of my life. I see things differently (literally), I think about things different, and I certainly have a very different perspective! Someone mentioned that I referred to myself as being feminine in my Minecraft blog post. I don't recall doing that, I certainly wasn't trying to, but I guess it just happened. Considering we use gendered terms very commonly, any blog mention my past would be fully of singular "they's" and "significant others," which would probably bring about just as much trolling. Also, if you would note, many people in my gender neutral blogs have referred to me as a "he" and I never, ever, ever correct them.
I perfectly understand your point, but I think you're wrong when it comes to applying it to gender. Speaking of which, I was in the US Army, too, and I haven't mentioned that in my blogs, have I? Undoubtedly, it would have the same "attention gaining" affects that mentioning I'm female does, but I have completed avoided it for the same reason you do.
On July 15 2011 04:25 Backpack wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:19 tofucake wrote:
On July 15 2011 04:14 TheGiz wrote:I have a lot of respect for Riku for not taking advantage of her gender and also for sharing her experiences.
What?
This entire blog is taking advantage of her gender.
Agreed.
If you stop drawing attention to your gender, you will stop getting shit for it.
I post negatively in some of your blogs and rate them low from time to time because I don't like them for various reasons, none of which is you being female. If you want to fit in, stop stereotyping yourself and accept the fact that there may be other reasons why people don't like you.
Wat. Just because I posted... this blog? No, seriously, this is the ONLY blog I have that focuses on my gender. Certainly, I have mentioned my gender in other blogs, but by no means has it been the main topic.
A man can casually mention his gender without a second thought, so why should I have people jump on my ass when I happen to mention I'm female while discussing a completely different topic?
First, yes: taking advantage. If you weren't a girl, this blog wouldn't exist and neither would the discussion. But you are a girl, and you've made this blog, and now discussion happens. It's been surprisingly civil so far, and I've enjoyed it, but the fact is that the mere fact that you are a girl and this blog is about that fact means you are taking advantage of your gender.
Second, Jingle was more talking about the phenomenon of being one thing, then stating a fact about yourself, and instantly having people view you differently ("OMG YOU KILL PEOPLE YOU'RE AN EVIL BASTARD AND WE ARE GOING TO PROTEST YOUR FUNERAL WHEN YOU DIE SCUM" etc) for no other reason than X.
Thanks, Tofu, that was in fact my point. It's about relevance. My military time isn't relevant in this community, but if I bring it up, I instantly get judged. Multiple judgements, and the majority of them aren't true.
The difference, Riku, is that I hate BOTH polarized judgements. I'll bitch someone out for thanking me for what I did in Iraq. I hate that shit, and the ones thanking me think I was finding WMD's, and are convinced that since we found them (we didn't really) that taking down Hussein while we were there was a legitimate sort of move (not when we invade under a false premise).
If someone goes the other extreme, I'll rip them a new one, or knock them out if they do it in person. Why? Because they're wrong, and if they want to call me a baby-killer, they better be ready to find out what happens when you antagonize someone you think is that hostile.
The point is, you're perfectly content getting white-knight reactions, and people who follow your blog religiously (Hint, they're doing it because you're a female gamer and they're a step away from e-stalker), but you expect not to get the other reaction.
You can't have the best of both worlds. It's impossible. If you bring in an irrelevant and polarized detail about yourself, expect people on both sides to react to it.
So tell off your defenders, handle the flak you get yourself, and maybe people will think more of you.
I assure you, people follow my blog for reasons other than I'm a female gamer and I find it highly insulting that you would even suggest that is the only reason people follow my blogs.
I don't like special treatment for being female. In fact, I was very happy I didn't get any in WoW. Of course, it's fun to laugh about the few weird incidences that happen, but I am by no means proud nor encouraging of them.
My blog is to write about my opinions and experiences. Just so happens I experience everything in the world as a woman, so I happen to mention that occassionally. I don't want to be treated better or worse for it. If you note, my "Guy Blog" isn't titled [Guy Blog], though that would undoubtedly have gotten me a lot more views and attention.
I'm not going to tell off my "defenders," though. I think it is extremely rude to bash on someone when they go out on a limb for you, especially when they might just be defending me because they believe in what I'm saying, not because I have breasts. That doesn't mean I plan to cheer them on when I believe they are defending me just because of my gender, though.
You find it highly insulting. In the same way you're shocked that people react to you being a female gamer, despite all evidence you've personally experienced to the contrary? You're shocked and insulted too easily. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but considering your blog whining about having to wear clothes... well sorry, I do in fact expect that people are titillated and responding to that.
You say you don't like the special treatment, but you turn around and say you aren't going to stop people from continuing the cycle. If you allow yourself to be the woman who needs defending, you're perpetuating the image you claim to not want to exist.
My wife fights her own battles. If I jump in and she isn't actually in physical danger, she'll yell at me for acting like she can't handle things for herself. That's gender equality, and she's able to succeed at acting like one of the guys. She never gets shit as a female gamer for long, because she doesn't get thin-skinned, and she dishes it back until they run crying to mommy.
You want equality, that's how you get it. Equality on both sides of the line, not just the one where you don't like it.
I have yet to be shocked by anyone, especially people reacting to me being a female gamer. I've been disappointed, but never shocked.
I think I have full right to be insulted by you suggesting the only reason people follow my blogs are my tits. Not only do I know that statement isn't true, it is extremely rude for you to claim such.
If someone you aren't interested in gives you flowers, do you punch them in the face? No, you thank them for it and explain why you can't return those feelings. Or, hell, just take it, thank them and do nothing else.
And when the hell in any of my blogs have I shown that I am a woman who needs to be defended? Do you feel in any of my replies to people here I was calling out for help from white knights? Fuck no.
I don't see how your wife is any different than me other than she doesn't keep a blog on TL. I pull my own weight, I fight my own battles, but I'm not going to be the bitch who can't accept a helping hand from a stranger.
Truthfully, I've done fine in every gaming community other than here, and it's probably just because I refuse to post Starcraft blogs.
On July 15 2011 05:43 JingleHell wrote:A lot of people just click on blogs with catchy names when they're in the little box on the left hand side.
Yup. That's the only reason I'm here. So yeah, I'm here because Riku's a girl. Reading a blog about being a guy on the net would be rather boring to me, since I've already experienced it. Reading a blog about being a girl on the net is different from what I know and being exposed to different points of view is a good way to expand your horizons...
People need to realize that if something doesn't appeal to them, it's easy to just keep on moving and find something that does. If you think someone's an attention whore, just move along and that attention whore will eventually move on when they're not finding what they crave. Not only are people wasting their time complaining about it, they're being enablers and contributing to the continuation of the same cycle they hate...
Riku - I don't give a crap that you're a girl. I probably won't remember your name by tomorrow and that's no fault of your own; it's the nature of the beast that is the Internet. There's just so much content and so little time; short of being an extremely prominent member (such as a mod or day9 or something), it's just not going to happen. The first post was an interesting read though. Thanks for that.
On July 15 2011 05:53 tofucake wrote: Who cares? I don't post about SC at all :|
People get on my case all of the time about it.
*sigh*
I might just refrain from posting in large, anonymous communities. While I greatly appreciate TL for having intelligent people, I find that it's size makes people quick to judge and be your enemy, but rare to approach you with friendship.
People have approached me for advice, given me support, but you know, not a single person has messaged me saying, "Oh, hi, Riku, I saw you play Vindictus, too! What character do you play?"
Is there some "plutonic" box on here I can check so I can just make friends?
:/
Also, I think people believe I put on some sort of facade online. I'm actually more prone to complain openly about how clothing sucks and talk about how much I love games and beer. My friends just consider me "one of the guys," though, and no one gets upset over it. It's that way in my WoW guild, too. It's to this great point where gender doesn't matter, it's just a big family/friendgroup. I guess I was just hoping that could expand to the entire Internet and we could all live in one happy place of digital joy!
Sadly, no. TL is a hard community to break into, and always has been. Mostly because it's different. It takes a while to become part of the pack. But I promise you there are plenty of people defending you behind the scenes.
Quitting serves no purpose other than a lot of time invested in getting into the community going to waste.
On July 15 2011 05:35 TheAura wrote: i dont see how any of this is her taking advantage. She posted a personally story about being a minority in the gaming scene, with a little bit of history of her life as well.
People post life stories and opinions all the time in these blogs, big deal.
is she taking advantage of her being a girl for attention here? no, she posted a blog expressing opinions and thoughts, like so many other people do.
the fact is, Riku, is that people are assholes.
Get used to it
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More asians play video games than white people. That makes me a minority. You know what would happen if I made a blog about being white?
if you posted a blog about your experiences being white, i bet most wouldn't give a flying fuck and it wouldnt get 10+ pages of hate, unless you posted something competely derogatory, which Riku has not.
you are doing exactly what Riku thinks is stupid, is guys getting, as she worded it, "their panties in a knot because she is a women."
while your attitude is highly negative and is only that way because she is a women.
On July 15 2011 05:35 TheAura wrote: i dont see how any of this is her taking advantage. She posted a personally story about being a minority in the gaming scene, with a little bit of history of her life as well.
People post life stories and opinions all the time in these blogs, big deal.
is she taking advantage of her being a girl for attention here? no, she posted a blog expressing opinions and thoughts, like so many other people do.
the fact is, Riku, is that people are assholes.
Get used to it
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More asians play video games than white people. That makes me a minority. You know what would happen if I made a blog about being white?
if you posted a blog about your experiences being white, i bet most wouldn't give a flying fuck and it wouldnt get 10+ pages of hate, unless you posted something competely derogatory, which Riku has not.
you are doing exactly what Riku thinks is stupid, is guys getting, as she worded it, "their panties in a knot because she is a women."
while your attitude is highly negative and is only that way because she is a women.
You presume too much, sir. I have said numerous times: I hate everyone because they are assholes and idiots
What you read was facetious and an attempt at humor, though it appears I have missed the mark. Read more carefully and you will see me engaging in conversation throughout the thread, rather than merely refuting the proponents of Riku to bash on her.
Overall I consider myself rather neutral in this particular debate, though playing Devil's Advocate is something I do enjoy (I won't lie). Regardless, I find your post hurtful and inflammatory.
On July 15 2011 05:53 tofucake wrote: Who cares? I don't post about SC at all :|
People get on my case all of the time about it.
*sigh*
I might just refrain from posting in large, anonymous communities. While I greatly appreciate TL for having intelligent people, I find that it's size makes people quick to judge and be your enemy, but rare to approach you with friendship.
People have approached me for advice, given me support, but you know, not a single person has messaged me saying, "Oh, hi, Riku, I saw you play Vindictus, too! What character do you play?"
Is there some "plutonic" box on here I can check so I can just make friends?
:/
Also, I think people believe I put on some sort of facade online. I'm actually more prone to complain openly about how clothing sucks and talk about how much I love games and beer. My friends just consider me "one of the guys," though, and no one gets upset over it. It's that way in my WoW guild, too. It's to this great point where gender doesn't matter, it's just a big family/friendgroup. I guess I was just hoping that could expand to the entire Internet and we could all live in one happy place of digital joy!
You're just going about it the wrong way. Assaulting the blog section of TL with 50 some blogs in less than 3 months is like being that guy (girl) who joins a new guild and constantly insists on joining/forming groups with anyone and everyone. Then to top it off they use guild chat to talk about politics.
Slow down and avoid starting arguments about things you know firsthand are controversial. You seem to be fine at making friends in real life and on WoW. Don't expect TL to work differently.
I hope people are still reading up to this page... these are my personal musings that I hope most people will read, but I didn't think it big or important enough to make a blog...anyway.
For the past few days, I've been wondering on and off to myself whenever I browse TL, "Why do people hate on Riku so much?". From the very beginning, she's received instant callouts of attention whore, and it hasn't been letting up.
To me, I find this puzzling. How can you, based on a limited number of posts, make that judgment about somebody? People only show a limited side of themselves on the internet, even on their blogs. If I were to share my old personal xanga blog with you guys, I'm sure many of you would get the impression that I'm constantly depressed, quite emo, and very strange. But for the few on TL who have met me in person and hung out with me, you'd know that I'm quite laidback, easygoing and carefree. The truth of the matter is that I use my blog to vent, and encompasses a very small, though still real, part of me (although yes, I am quite strange, haha). But you would be quite mistaken to think that's most of who I am.
I'm guessing some of you might say, "Yes, if someone is acting retarded, then I should call them retarded -- people should be called out for their behavior." And to that I say, who are you to say who someone is? Do you really think you know someone well enough based on a bunch of posts on a SC2 blog forum? I suppose some of us simply disagree on that point. But I say in the case of Riku, unless I meet her in person, hang out with her in a group of friends, and interact with her personally in real life for a while, I don't think I can say she is or is not an attention whore, either way. So until I do, I reserve judgment, and wait until I can somehow get to know her better before thinking anything of the like.
TL;DR: I think some people are just way too quick to judge, and/or should keep their judgments to themselves.
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I wasn't talking about the cosplay. I was talking about the taking naked photos of herself and posting them online in topics she made devoted to people fawning over her on 4chan.
The cry of "attention whore" from the get-go is due to the fact that her blogs are almost exclusively her interaction with TL. Most members frequent multiple boards and make friends in various groups and communicate in various, and are known through more than just posts about myself in the blogs section. I think a lot of the hate is coming from the fact that people have no interaction with Riku outside blogs and are getting angry at the way she's posting rather than anything else.
On July 15 2011 05:53 tofucake wrote: Who cares? I don't post about SC at all :|
People get on my case all of the time about it.
*sigh*
I might just refrain from posting in large, anonymous communities. While I greatly appreciate TL for having intelligent people, I find that it's size makes people quick to judge and be your enemy, but rare to approach you with friendship.
People have approached me for advice, given me support, but you know, not a single person has messaged me saying, "Oh, hi, Riku, I saw you play Vindictus, too! What character do you play?"
Is there some "plutonic" box on here I can check so I can just make friends?
:/
Also, I think people believe I put on some sort of facade online. I'm actually more prone to complain openly about how clothing sucks and talk about how much I love games and beer. My friends just consider me "one of the guys," though, and no one gets upset over it. It's that way in my WoW guild, too. It's to this great point where gender doesn't matter, it's just a big family/friendgroup. I guess I was just hoping that could expand to the entire Internet and we could all live in one happy place of digital joy!
Well not many people here know you by the looks of this thread. Posting that type of OP when you are really looking for friends makes no sense at all. Hi my name is Baarn I play <insert game here> (in appropriate thread to corresponding game) and I'm looking to possibly group with people. Sorry but this OP just makes you less approachable.
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I wasn't talking about the cosplay. I was talking about the taking naked photos of herself and posting them online in topics she made devoted to people fawning over her on 4chan.
Jesus. Serious? Well, I'm still trying to give her the benefit of the doubt... maybe it was a high school or middle school phase. We all do stupid crap at that age, I certainly have. (God, just thinking about it makes me cringe and want to stab myself in the eye lol)
On July 15 2011 06:25 tofucake wrote: The cry of "attention whore" from the get-go is due to the fact that her blogs are almost exclusively her interaction with TL. Most members frequent multiple boards and make friends in various groups and communicate in various, and are known through more than just posts about myself in the blogs section. I think a lot of the hate is coming from the fact that people have no interaction with Riku outside blogs and are getting angry at the way she's posting rather than anything else.
I think you've hit it on the nail, tofucake, I really think you're quite right on this.
On July 15 2011 05:30 Dance. wrote: I think the first blog of yours that i read was "damn clothes..." I don't know how you can consider that not brining attention to your gender. It was so random and pointless and you talked about walking around naked an how uncomfortable panties were...
I guess that was when I decided you were an attention whore who absolutely loves being know as a girl.
Why would you even say that? You can EASILY check what my first blog was. Here let me describe my first few blogs briefly with you:
1) Intro, plan to blog, plan to write magazine/website, video games 2) Easter, video games, Shakespeare costumes 3) How to make a costume (no gender, no pictures) 4) My laptop dying, Shakespeare 5) Hw, video games 6) Vindictus 7) Shakespeare play ...
Oh, but the Shakespeare blog did have a picture of me in my Shakespeare costume (though I was playing a male). I must being trying to get serious attention about my gender by posting those pictures!
He said the first one he read, not the first one you wrote. Maybe you should go drink a glass of water and calm down, you seem to be reacting instead of thinking and responding.
A lot of people just click on blogs with catchy names when they're in the little box on the left hand side.
So you are saying making a snap judgement of a person's complete personality off a single post is good thing to practice?
Whole personality? No, you think personalities are single-faceted? I can certainly deduce certain portions of personality from several, though, which is what I've done here.
And frankly, the worst people to listen to as far as personality traits are yourself and people who like you, in that order.
Very few people have the stones to be honest with their friends or people they like about their annoying quirks, and less can be honest with themselves.
Either way, I'm done with this, I don't feel the need to continue trying to give good advice where it isn't wanted, and I'm certainly not going to argue with the Riku Fanclub.
I actually liked your few posts in this thread, I thought they were quite level-headed. That being said, I think a lot of the OP was venting in a way for Riku, an attempt to bring some catharsis to her. So I think that's the reason your "take it like a champ" advice is probably not being well received...
On July 15 2011 04:52 Dance. wrote: Lets just say posting a pic counts to focusing on your gender in a blog...how many is that now?
6 of my 56 blogs have a picture of myself in them.
One of those was because pictures were demanded for the vacation I took.
So that would be 5 out of 56 blogs + this blog, so 6 out of 56.
Though I don't see how posting pictures of a vacation that I happen to be in is any more focusing on my gender than males who do the exact same thing and never receive any comment towards their gender.
Could you link the blog entries with photo content of yourself? Thanks.
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I wasn't talking about the cosplay. I was talking about the taking naked photos of herself and posting them online in topics she made devoted to people fawning over her on 4chan.
I find if funny that you keep saying your posting your blogs for youself and not looking for attention. Thats exactly what a girl posting online blogs on a male dominant website will draw. I'm sure you know what your doing, as you can't be that naive. As we can see you have your share of haters, and a small white-knight following. I quite like the femake vets here that just blend in and watch/contribute starcraft.
You seem to have no interest in starcraft, and are using this site soley for the purpose of gaining attention. I believe this is why you have such a strong following of haters. I believe if you showed some interest in the actual game, you would have been welcomed with arms wide open.
On July 15 2011 04:52 Dance. wrote: Lets just say posting a pic counts to focusing on your gender in a blog...how many is that now?
6 of my 56 blogs have a picture of myself in them.
One of those was because pictures were demanded for the vacation I took.
So that would be 5 out of 56 blogs + this blog, so 6 out of 56.
Though I don't see how posting pictures of a vacation that I happen to be in is any more focusing on my gender than males who do the exact same thing and never receive any comment towards their gender.
Could you link the blog entries with photo content of yourself? Thanks.
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I wasn't talking about the cosplay. I was talking about the taking naked photos of herself and posting them online in topics she made devoted to people fawning over her on 4chan.
Where would one go to find that content? Thanks
All of them? I'm pretty sure someone posts one of her dressed as Alexzstraza or whatever in every one of her blogs.
On July 15 2011 04:52 Dance. wrote: Lets just say posting a pic counts to focusing on your gender in a blog...how many is that now?
6 of my 56 blogs have a picture of myself in them.
One of those was because pictures were demanded for the vacation I took.
So that would be 5 out of 56 blogs + this blog, so 6 out of 56.
Though I don't see how posting pictures of a vacation that I happen to be in is any more focusing on my gender than males who do the exact same thing and never receive any comment towards their gender.
Could you link the blog entries with photo content of yourself? Thanks.
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I wasn't talking about the cosplay. I was talking about the taking naked photos of herself and posting them online in topics she made devoted to people fawning over her on 4chan.
Where would one go to find that content? Thanks
It wasn't posted on tl. We have a fairly strict policy on pornography.
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I wasn't talking about the cosplay. I was talking about the taking naked photos of herself and posting them online in topics she made devoted to people fawning over her on 4chan.
Wait...wtf. I know i am taking this out of context, so I am asking for clarification? are you talking about Riku, KwarK? I really hope not.
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I wasn't talking about the cosplay. I was talking about the taking naked photos of herself and posting them online in topics she made devoted to people fawning over her on 4chan.
Wait...wtf. I know i am taking this out of context, so I am asking for clarification? are you talking about Riku, KwarK? I really hope not.
Uh yeah someone linked me to it before. I've lost it btw
On July 15 2011 06:00 Riku wrote: People have approached me for advice, given me support, but you know, not a single person has messaged me saying, "Oh, hi, Riku, I saw you play Vindictus, too! What character do you play?"
Is there some "plutonic" box on here I can check so I can just make friends?
No one has messaged me with stuff like that either. In fact, the only two times I've ever been messaged on TL was continuing a blog argument that hit a tangent outside of the OP's scope and an inquiry of where my CSL group was meeting!
I'm sure there are pockets to talk with, make friends, and participate more with community-ing, but I don't believe it's the blog section. I like it here since it's very entertaining, but it doesn't seem like the place where we message each other and arrange a skype hangout and mass multiplayer or something (which would, admittedly, be awesome!). Though, there are a bunch of regulars, so I can recognize a lot of recurring names and get excited when I see their responses.
So it would seem that the anonymity also accompanies depersonalization.
Plus we have to gauge the average poster. We have everything here from seasoned chan troll to 15-year-old drama child. It's an eclectic mix for sure, and definitely sets the stage for a lot of flaming, trolling, (table flipping), and girl blogs. But that would just dwell on the negatives. I like the diversity and the volatile atmosphere in the discussions!
And since making friends is awesome, I'm going to make a "platonic box" for my signature...as soon as I find out how!
On July 15 2011 03:09 KwarK wrote: How is taking your clothes off to gain the approval of men going outside of what is normally expected of women? If anything it reinforces the most negative stereotypes people have.
There's a big difference between "taking your clothes off" and cosplay.
I wasn't talking about the cosplay. I was talking about the taking naked photos of herself and posting them online in topics she made devoted to people fawning over her on 4chan.
Guess you cant live down your past on the internet. Interesting how these communities tie together despite the hate they seem to spew towards each other.
Well the 9 photo set on 4chan didnt contain any direct nudity though, so there may be different ends at play - for one perhaps the desire for feedback regarding appearance, compliments for increasing confidence, yet desire to remain classy and hence covering explicit areas of body.
Actually girls get a lot of unwanted attention online. The consequences much outweigh the benefits. People need to learn to just give them silent respect.
I can't understand why this post hasn't been closed it.
This is clearly getting out of hand...
I agree. The whole point is just to give girl gamers more respect than they currently have. Set up a system so that confirmed female players can mark down the rude players. We need more female gamers anyways. Who wants to log in each day to a sausagefest?
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