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League Promote Bugged?
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Something is up with league changes, but we don't know what specifically is the root cause. Blizzard is aware of the issue and are testing a hotfix. -- Excal_Z 6/15 This does not mean that there is a global ladder lock!! There is some bug affecting some players but it is not universal. -- Excal_Z 6/16 Might be fixed. Some of the affected players were promoted. Need more data. -- Excal_Z 6/17 | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
Thanks in advance. | ||
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spiral77
United States28 Posts
Although after 60 games, I'd think that it would stabilize... | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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MyNameIsAlex
Greece827 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
That should explain everything and mate I would recommend using the search function before posting. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:31 MyNameIsAlex wrote: Yeah leagues seem to be locked for around a week now. They are not locked this time, it's a bug. It probably started at Jun/10th. | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
@ carloselcoco, i don't think i'll read all of that :x | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:31 carloselcoco wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 That should explain everything and mate I would recommend using the search function before posting. No he is actually correct the ladders are currently bugged... | ||
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GMonster
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Use search function. | ||
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-swordguy
United States560 Posts
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Steelavocado
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Now that's sad... | ||
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algorithm0r
Canada486 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:43 -swordguy wrote: Is the season almost over? Blizzard says the leagues lock in the 2 weeks leading up to the new season. I don't think it's even near that time yet Oo | ||
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SilverJohnny
United States885 Posts
The ladders always seem to be "bugged" according to people here, I dunno how true it is this time, although last time it was correct. | ||
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Trig
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WarpMePlz
United Kingdom76 Posts
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Trig
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:43 GoKu` wrote: It was bugged, its not anymore. Use search function. I believe it is actually bugged again for the past couple days. Today I played a gold player with a high masters mmr who said that he's had a friend play on his account since yesterday... | ||
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Warp
United States166 Posts
Also, on my main account, I just played a platinum with the MMR of #1 masters.. he's been playing the top 10 masters for a while now. So... yes i'm gonna say the ladder is bugged, but if i ever get promoted with the platinum account I'll update this post | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:31 carloselcoco wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 That should explain everything and mate I would recommend using the search function before posting. As the ladder is indeed bugged at the moment, I would recommend gathering some updated news before quickly categorizing all promotion questions under the same noob umbrella  | ||
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shtdisturbance
Canada613 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:43 Trig wrote: When they get unbugged would I just get promoted or would I have to play a game? You will need to win a game. But you can be promoted even now, as the leagues aren't locked, you just need to avoid the bug. Some players are being promoted right now normally and I have no idea if someone is likelly to be bugged or not, but you can keep trying, it is not impossible to be promoted right now, but yes, there is a bug making it impossible to most players for some reason. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:51 shtdisturbance wrote: you have to play enough to go around 50% so its stable. Your win% is too high currently? This is incorrect. How did pillage get #1 gm with 69-0? Also how did anonymous (MVP) get so high in masters with a 97% winrate? | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
To be promoted the system needs to be confident about you. I would recommend that you seriously check the thread I linked. You would stop saying that they are bugged. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Meanwhile my roommate who is #2 diamond has been tearing it up and still no sign of promotion whatsoever. I don't know whats upw ith the ladder but it worked fine for a full year I don't see why it keeps getting bugged now.. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:54 Corrosive wrote: This is incorrect. How did pillage get #1 gm with 69-0? Also how did anonymous (MVP) get so high in masters with a 97% winrate? Because when it comes to GM, the system will select people who are eligible to be promoted to it and then those guys will need to win one more game in order to be promoted to GM. GM is the big weird league in SC2 mate. | ||
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algorithm0r
Canada486 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
Ladder is really messed up dude, just play custom melee's with people online | ||
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Officedrone
Canada70 Posts
Someone also mentioned on FXOSheth's stream last night that the ladder definitely feels bugged.(Spanishwa maybe?) | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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WarpMePlz
United Kingdom76 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
pretty much all diamond players | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:02 IPA wrote: I think 55-4 might be a bit of an overstatement. overstatement? Oo check screenie | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:02 WarpMePlz wrote: don't listen to the idiots claiming that you HAVE to have a 50% winrate to be promoted. Please use your common sense! Dude, calm down. No need for insults...  Read the thread I linked and you will see why your statement is mostly wrong | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
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Officedrone
Canada70 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:02 Trig wrote: http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3464/unledvp.png pretty much all diamond players no wai dude! You clearly belong in Bronze. Ladder will promote you when it deems necessary/your mmr hasn't stabilized/other random excuse from forum trolls who are just speculating on how the ladder actually works and just dismissing the idea that it's not working properly | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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Semtext
Germany287 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:02 Trig wrote: http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3464/unledvp.png pretty much all diamond players you still get tons of points, possibly indicating that you still have bonus pool. that might be an issue. (insert referral to ladder thread) | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:07 Officedrone wrote: no wai dude! You clearly belong in Bronze. Ladder will promote you when it deems necessary/your mmr hasn't stabilized/other random excuse from forum trolls who are just speculating on how the ladder actually works and just dismissing the idea that it's not working properly lmao On June 16 2011 06:08 Semtext wrote: you still get tons of points, possibly indicating that you still have bonus pool. that might be an issue. (insert referral to ladder thread) i have 96 left, i had like 700 when i started give or take | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:56 Zlasher wrote: I'm pretty sure its bugged again, a friend of mine was #1 Gold and went on a 26 game win streak eventually facing #1 diamond/low masters players and still not getting promoted Meanwhile my roommate who is #2 diamond has been tearing it up and still no sign of promotion whatsoever. I don't know whats upw ith the ladder but it worked fine for a full year I don't see why it keeps getting bugged now.. The diamond to masters barrier is much more difficult than other leagues. Don't know why, it just is | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:07 Trig wrote: rofl played 3 GM players at plat, sick Ya I didnt believe it when somebody told me. But I checked his match history, crazy | ||
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WarpMePlz
United Kingdom76 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:04 carloselcoco wrote: Dude, calm down. No need for insults... Read the thread I linked and you will see why your statement is mostly wrong Is it really that hard to believe that the ladder is locked when it has been locked previously | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:09 Halcyondaze wrote: The diamond to masters barrier is much more difficult than other leagues. Don't know why, it just is Masters is actually still Diamond. It is supposed to be top 2% Diamond and even Blizzard explained that. They even pointed out the fact that you might be Diamond rank 1 but not be promoted to Masters | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:10 Lore-Fighting wrote: You need to start losing to get promoted. It doesn't where to place you. No, stop saying this. That hasn't been true for like 6 months. Something is up with the ladder, they've identified an issue and are testing a hotfix. We don't know exactly what the issue is. It could be a partial lock, it could be some bugged players, it could be something not updating properly, it could be a side effect from the last fix. | ||
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WarpMePlz
United Kingdom76 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:13 Excalibur_Z wrote: No, stop saying this. That hasn't been true for like 6 months. Something is up with the ladder, they've identified an issue and are testing a hotfix. We don't know exactly what the issue is. It could be a partial lock, it could be some bugged players, it could be something not updating properly, it could be a side effect from the last fix. This almost certainly is due to the recent battle.net update. There was no game patch but battle.net was updated in some way | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:15 WarpMePlz wrote: This almost certainly is due to the recent battle.net update. There was no game patch but battle.net was updated in some way Maybe the moment of the lock then? BTW, I take back what I said about them not being locked, sorry. It just seemed award that they are locking them again so soon after unlocking them... So sorry mate. | ||
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MayanSc2
United States198 Posts
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:13 Excalibur_Z wrote: No, stop saying this. That hasn't been true for like 6 months. Something is up with the ladder, they've identified an issue and are testing a hotfix. We don't know exactly what the issue is. It could be a partial lock, it could be some bugged players, it could be something not updating properly, it could be a side effect from the last fix. seems like that is the end of the thead until someone has info that the hoxfix went through or whatnot... chill out guys | ||
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Jhax
Ireland201 Posts
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Duckvillelol
Australia1240 Posts
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:29 Duckvillelol wrote: Ahh, now this explains why my best friend hasn't been demoted, even though he has been bombing all his games on purpose (has about 40 losses in a row). lol, tell your friend he could get banned for doing that. Blizz is trying to root out portrait farmers, in case you didn't know. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:29 Jhax wrote: is the ladder bugged? I am so LOLing at this guy! xD To answer: Yes they are locked... | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
Maybe they have it locked again since a new season is almost upon on. | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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MyNameIsAlex
Greece827 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:38 SDream wrote: They are not locked this time, it's a bug. It probably started at Jun/10th. locked/bugged is the same thing right now, as there is no official word. Probably they locked it, to fix a bug like last time. | ||
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Baseic
Netherlands310 Posts
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Mario1209
United States1077 Posts
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zerker2strong
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also i have no bonuspool for over a week | ||
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AyameStarcraft
United Kingdom192 Posts
It's been almost 3 months since Season 2 started and Blizz wanted 3 month seasons and said that ladders would lock 2 weeks before the next season. It's exactly 2 weeks until the 29th. If it wasn't for the mod add at the top of the thread I'd place my money on that being a possibility. | ||
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zerker2strong
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BuNkEn
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zerker2strong
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FrostFire626
United States79 Posts
There's transparency and accountability for you. | ||
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Canadaehz
Canada59 Posts
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VooseLagina
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AyameStarcraft
United Kingdom192 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:54 Figgeduni wrote: If it would be as Ayeme says would playing now still counts to the next seasons placement match? Yes your mmr would still increase and decrease but your bonus pool would stop increasing and you would be unable to be promoted. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:56 FrostFire626 wrote: Gotta love how Blizzard refuses to acknowledge these issues publicly, but rather waits several weeks before they allow anyone to even mention it (which happened last time the ladders were locked). There's transparency and accountability for you. They're screwed either way. If they acknowledge it publicly then they invite confusion which lasts long after the issue has been fixed. Tons of people come out of the woodwork weeks after the fix asking "Why am I not promoted yet? Are the leagues still locked?" when they don't understand the skill ranges of each league or how the system works. On the other hand, if they don't say anything, then they get roasted for not admitting to the problem. There's really no reason for them to say anything as long as the problem gets fixed quickly, so as to impact a minimal number of users while minimizing the confusion. | ||
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ForeverSleep
Canada920 Posts
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:47 ForeverSleep wrote: Ok but now I am confused. A few weeks ago, they said that the ladder was no longer locked, and that the system was working. Are you guys implying that the ladder is locked again for a bug just like the one that caused the close of the ladder last time? Or is it that we are at the end of the ladder season? It was working... for a while. Now it's broken (at least, for some people). For the past few days, some players have been unable to get promoted. For others, promotions were working properly. It's not clear what's happening right now, maybe a global lock while they fix the problem. | ||
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Maffe
Sweden133 Posts
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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Omer
Israel442 Posts
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KimJongChill
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LittleBill
United States7 Posts
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
want a promotion before i leave for france at the end of june | ||
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Sahand
United Kingdom114 Posts
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LittleBill
United States7 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:33 darthfoley wrote: playing and beating only plats/diamonds (losing some of course) and i've been #1 gold for at least a week now, with over 200 more points then the 2nd place guy (i know points don't matter much, just saying) want a promotion before i leave for france at the end of june i am exactly in your position. been rank 1 for awhile(i know it does not matter for promotion). playing mostly diamonds with the occasional plat and winning at least 50% of them. I would have expected to be atleast be promoted to plat since I'm 50/50 with diamonds | ||
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Thallis
United States314 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:09 LittleBill wrote: Excalibur_Z, You seem like you have inside knowledge. How do you know blizzard is aware? Are you saying that is 100% CONFIRMED that the promotion system is bugged for some players? I talk to them. I brought this up a couple of days ago, they investigated, then later confirmed it and said they were testing a hotfix. That's all the info I had. | ||
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Grackodile
United States263 Posts
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:04 KimJongChill wrote: why did you lose FOUR times @_@?? failed cheese x2 underestimate x1 and something else | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
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Rybread
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EMPaThy789
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Wolf
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L3g3nd_
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
For example, lets say a bronze jumps to the silver/gold threshold. Because of this uncertainty (whether they are gold or silver), they may not get promoted. However, in my opinion, they should be automatically promoted to silver in this case. I have a feeling that the ladder system assumes gradual increases. | ||
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WinteRR
Australia201 Posts
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Peekaboo
Canada219 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On June 16 2011 11:55 Azzur wrote: I'm just speculating but this is my theory - for some players, there is a massive jump in the MMR (this could be caused by new accounts, etc) that they will climb more than 1 league (e.g. bronze -> plat). Because of this, the ladder can't determine where to place them and thus they remain unpromoted. For example, lets say a bronze jumps to the silver/gold threshold. Because of this uncertainty (whether they are gold or silver), they may not get promoted. However, in my opinion, they should be automatically promoted to silver in this case. I have a feeling that the ladder system assumes gradual increases. Generally, it promotes you when you either: A) pass the threshold with stable enough performance (by winning and losing games at a certain level) B) pass the threshold substantially (by winning games well beyond the minimum for the league, like silver beating plat/diamond consistently) Regardless, they will be promoted into the next league at least, even if they are straddling 2 leagues other than their current. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:17 MonkSEA wrote: Why are people still saying it's MMR when Excal_Z has confirmed that there is a bug in the promotion system? Jesus. Welcome to the internet, where only half the users can read! But seriously, you do have to admit that a lot of people will be sorely disappointed when the "lock" is lifted and they're not promoted for some of the other reasons posters have stated in this topic. | ||
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aznkukuboi
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http://sc2ranks.com/team/10252859 ^ he was promoted on June 9th. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Canadaehz
Canada59 Posts
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crojar
United States59 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:20 MangoTango wrote: is it SO much to ask for a working ladder? As long as you get matched up with the right people, does it really matter? I like ladder just cause I can play people at my skill level, not because of the picture it gives me. | ||
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Blanchy
United States7 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:30 crojar wrote: As long as you get matched up with the right people, does it really matter? I like ladder just cause I can play people at my skill level, not because of the picture it gives me. If you're stuck in the bronze league but above that level of skill you will be forced to place people less skillful than you not allowing you to improve yourself. | ||
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evilbox
Philippines32 Posts
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HydroXy
United States513 Posts
On June 16 2011 14:48 Blanchy wrote: If you're stuck in the bronze league but above that level of skill you will be forced to place people less skillful than you not allowing you to improve yourself. Unless I've been under a grand misconception since beta, the matchmaking system uses a hidden rating to place you against opponents, which allows you to play people outside of your league. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On June 16 2011 14:48 Blanchy wrote: If you're stuck in the bronze league but above that level of skill you will be forced to place people less skillful than you not allowing you to improve yourself. MMR is still working, promotion isn't. It doesn't matter if you are in bronze facing diamond/master/grandmaster, your MMR is still changing. The problem here is the promotion system, not who you are getting matched up against. | ||
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HoMM
Estonia635 Posts
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mlgbx
United States73 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:30 crojar wrote: As long as you get matched up with the right people, does it really matter? I like ladder just cause I can play people at my skill level, not because of the picture it gives me. I think for some people it matters when looking for team games or practice partners. When I'm making a group I usually don't invite with people who have bronze-gold 1v1 rankings. Even if I do, the rest of my team leaves. | ||
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darkcloud8282
Canada776 Posts
On June 16 2011 14:48 Blanchy wrote: If you're stuck in the bronze league but above that level of skill you will be forced to place people less skillful than you not allowing you to improve yourself. That is a false statement. You can be in Bronze league but if your MMR is in the right range, you will place against anyone in any league. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
. Anyway yea I heard the Kr ladder has been locked for a while aswell. Like Plats facing GMs lol. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On June 16 2011 14:51 HoMM wrote: I was just promoted into Gold league yesterday, EU server. lol Doesn't mean that it still works has it should tho  But fun for you for being promoted ! <3 Congratz | ||
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Ameba-AZ
United States79 Posts
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Jedi Master
Germany185 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:34 Ameba-AZ wrote: I'm curious if the root of the problem lies in the fact that the system currently doesn't seem to do anything with inactive players (outside of GM) thus many of the leagues become cluttered with players who do nothing more then play their placement games and then go MIA while still taking up a league spot, thus causing a part of the issue. Just a thought. Blizzard can't do anything about it. Season 2 is pretty fresh, so their shoudn't be as much inactive players. It will be always like that in the Lower Leagues. | ||
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Myolden
Finland83 Posts
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LittleBill
United States7 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:44 Jedi Master wrote: Blizzard can't do anything about it. Season 2 is pretty fresh, so their shoudn't be as much inactive players. It will be always like that in the Lower Leagues. Not really fresh when blizzard had intended on 3 month seasons... which means season 2 should be ending within the next 2 weeks or atleast be going into league lock by then. | ||
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Pulzlulz
Germany412 Posts
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Grokken
Sweden245 Posts
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SavageReborn
Australia106 Posts
http://sc2ranks.com/sea/105995/Savage | ||
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
And playing against top GM players :S | ||
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fer
Canada375 Posts
Jeeh Jeeeeh. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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Pulzlulz
Germany412 Posts
On June 16 2011 18:44 Xahhk wrote: Don't you have to play until you start going 50/50 against players? Only then will they promote you. Please read the thread, that is not true. | ||
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BillyHardcore
Denmark104 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Toons
Australia136 Posts
Bit of speculation here, but i assume the bug is for 'new promotions'. E.g. A players MMR passes the threshhold to be promoted into the higher league .. But there is no spots for them, so the system attempts to create a new division (as they have passed that threshold?) but a bug is stopping that occuring? ?? Couldnt blizzard solve a bit of this (now reccurring, as its the 2nd time in 2 months, would this not just keep happening once dvisions fill up again?) by moving inactive players out of there divisions? Im not pretending to understand the math (Excal-Z is way more informed there), but to someone who has tried and tried to get into masters from Rank 1 Diamond, to look at sc2ranks and see the bottom 30 of each division on 0-4 played games ... I just dont see how the system works ? Those inactive players, are inactive, they should not be taking spots in divisions ... They dont play the game!!! Yes, some of them may return ... And when they do, if the promotion system was not bugged, they would be able to slot into a division with open spots (or have a new one created for them) ... TL:DR, Kick inactive players out of their divisions on regular basis!!!! | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
.... I'd add that to the list of things Blizzard needs to get right. Demotion every month depending on how many games played seems like a good idea. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
), and I got promoted instantly. This was on the SEA server though, so it might be different where you are. | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
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DT.Damage
Germany89 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On June 16 2011 19:43 DT.Damage wrote: iam top 1 diamond since 3days and guess what. iam not facing any masters , also very strange. You are just fine. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
I'm a noob, sorry. | ||
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Shade_FR
France378 Posts
On June 16 2011 19:49 SEA_GenesiS wrote: Sorry, but what is a hotfix exactly? I'm a noob, sorry. Fixing the game (on Blizz's server side) without having to release a patch. | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On June 16 2011 19:49 SEA_GenesiS wrote: Sorry, but what is a hotfix exactly? I'm a noob, sorry. So actually a hotfix is when a change is released to running software. It is like a small patch, usually does not effect anything but the one small things it is trying to fix and is usually an optional update. Quite often hotfix's are only recommended to people that have certain set ups or who have the certain issue in which the hotfix is attempting to fix. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:57 Canadaehz wrote: I have been recording all my games in a spreadsheet to see my win loss and right now I have almost triple the wins then I do losses. Something like 30 wins and 13 losses. I am silver and I play only gold and plat. I probably haven't played enough to get promoted but I think I can still feel it that there is a bug. My friend is bronze and I showed him blue flame hellion drops and he hasn't lost a game in 15 games and he is playing gold and silver players. I am not sure but seeing already 3 pages worth of people saying that they aren't getting promoted after a couple hours of being up then I think something must be wrong. It really doesn't take that many games to rank up. I ranked my friends account from bronze to diamond in like 60 games and that was w/ occuring a couple losses vs masters and random diamond players (ZvZ sucks lol) | ||
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snaerdi
Finland70 Posts
On June 16 2011 18:27 Welmu wrote: Im world highest platinum and still not getting promoted T_T And playing against top GM players :S Forever plat. ='( On topic though, has it been confirmed that season 3 is supposed to start on the 29th? Even if that's the case, I don't get the idea behind locking the ladders before a new season.. can anyone enlighten me about that? | ||
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Fojji
United Kingdom217 Posts
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lofung
Hong Kong298 Posts
yes i am getting the same results. | ||
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Chylouk
United Kingdom30 Posts
On June 16 2011 20:40 snaerdi wrote: Forever plat. ='( On topic though, has it been confirmed that season 3 is supposed to start on the 29th? Even if that's the case, I don't get the idea behind locking the ladders before a new season.. can anyone enlighten me about that? Where is the blue post on that? | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
played a lot of 4v4 random this week, and i'm currently #2 in diamond with ~50 wins. most other players in the top 10 have >100 wins, except 1 or 2 who are probably in the same boat as i. we should be getting promoted. last week i was playing 3v3 random and got promoted to masters after about 30 wins. | ||
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Lysergic
United States355 Posts
I was actually promoted right after that System Shutdown (maintenance) 2 days ago, not sure if its a coincidence or if Blizzard fixed something. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On June 16 2011 20:44 Fojji wrote: trig the mage? ^_^ I wondered the same thing. | ||
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KovuTalli
United Kingdom325 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:28 Trig wrote: Sold my old masters SC2 acc (cause of WoW) and I'm using my mates SC2 acc which he hasn't played on since the previous season. Did a placement match and got in Bronze. I've gone like 55-4 and i'm still not getting promoted. I've faced 7 Diamond players (beat them all) and 15 platinum players before that (lost to two of them). Anyone know what could be the problem? Mates win los was kinda bad before season two. But the MMR should be fixed now cause I'm meeting Diamond players, right? Thanks in advance. You'll get promoted eventually, I had a similar situation, then I lost three games in a row, won again then got promoted, it was so stupid. | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
But i saw 2200 points platinum player playing vs high masters and that i find very unexplainable. There must be some sort of bug. | ||
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Arcanewinds
United Kingdom197 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:28 Trig wrote: Sold my old masters SC2 acc (cause of WoW) and I'm using my mates SC2 acc which he hasn't played on since the previous season. Did a placement match and got in Bronze. I've gone like 55-4 and i'm still not getting promoted. I've faced 7 Diamond players (beat them all) and 15 platinum players before that (lost to two of them). Anyone know what could be the problem? Mates win los was kinda bad before season two. But the MMR should be fixed now cause I'm meeting Diamond players, right? Thanks in advance. I got this, 60 games played and I'm not out of plat, heck, I played a grandmaster on that account XD. Good to see they noticed its broken, hopefully I can get out plat soon ^_^, its been pretty funny getting messages from high masters like 'wtf, why are you plat?' ;D | ||
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Xercen
United Kingdom375 Posts
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FrostDuty
United Kingdom45 Posts
Was worries i was going to get demoted soon! But if lots of people have higher MMR than they should do in lower leagues then that makes sense! | ||
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
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IsraeL
United Kingdom172 Posts
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:32 SpurvL wrote: I have been favord vs Master players since two weeks back, havent played alot and have a huge bonuspool, but i am going to DH and i wont leave until i am in masters! ^_^.. (i am diamind) We have some work to do if that's what you want ^^ | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
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KOVU
Denmark708 Posts
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:47 KOVU wrote: I was promoted from diamond to masters in 2v2 yesterday evening, on EU. I'll play a game right now and see if I get promoted. 1700+ diamond playing 1500+ Masters for the past 50 games, I should be promoted as soon as the bug is fixed. | ||
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:44 chadissilent wrote: We have some work to do if that's what you want ^^ Indeed we do Steady Steve | ||
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DexTheBest
2 Posts
No one knows when this problem will be fixed ? (EU) | ||
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Strykerz
United States85 Posts
I really hope this gets fixed sooner than later, I know ranking is just for our own amusement to say oh look what we did, but platinum is by no means where we belong. We want masters! :p | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 16 2011 20:44 Fojji wrote: trig the mage? ^_^ ye lulz | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
hahahha people in top 10 diamond actually don't believe i'm in bronze and when they lose they must be laik wait wot | ||
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MayanSc2
United States198 Posts
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skyride
Scotland103 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:46 sereniity wrote: I tried to push diamond on my high plat acc, was rank 1 plat for a long time and basically won 90% of my matches, all of them were vs diamond players. Yet I got no promotion, how long exactly has this bug been going on for? Same boat here dude. I might actually have even played you, your name sounds familiar. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On June 16 2011 23:29 skyride wrote: Same boat here dude. I might actually have even played you, your name sounds familiar. hehe I doubt it, my acc is named "why" that I play on currently (T). Was a month or so since I played on my other high plat acc wich is named serenity, I play zerg on that .Thing is, I got so bored when I didn't get promoted so now my bonus pool is like 130... My last ladder session b4 I stopped laddering (a week ago or so) I went 2-5 or something, hope that wont ruin my promotion , damn TvT..... | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
On June 16 2011 23:35 Trig wrote: I just had the weirdest ZvZ. Close air positions on Shattered Temple. Looked like he was 6pooling but there was no pool just 6 drones, then a queen popped and killed my OL?? He did a hatch in some random location made a pool and made so many zerglings, luckily i went speed>banes rofl What on Earth does this have to do with the ladder being locked? | ||
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CroDeadman
Croatia76 Posts
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Selkie
United States530 Posts
Damn. I regret throwing games in a rage now. XD | ||
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Assaulter
Lithuania324 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On June 16 2011 23:44 StrangrDangr wrote: What on Earth does this have to do with the ladder being locked? It's driving people over the edge .... | ||
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slowmanrunning
Canada285 Posts
but I decided to race change to terran, mostly because out of my irl friends there were 2 toss, and 2 zerg (me being one of them) also I had been wanting to race change for a while. anyways, the game has been matching me against 200+ wins top 5 golds and silvers, who despite their experience only give me 1 point (2 from bonus pool) and any loss immediately wipes all points I had blank. The difference of skill I have as terran compared to zerg is overwhelming, after finishing placements I played 2 games as zerg against 2 different players with over 1k wins (across all game types) who were masters in 1v1, and 2 of the team matchups (other matchup being diamond) I apperently managed to make my mmr inconcievably high in the first 10 games of sc2 I played, and was playing against masters players after less than 10 games. Now it's impossible to get demoted from diamond league. | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 16 2011 23:44 StrangrDangr wrote: What on Earth does this have to do with the ladder being locked? everything | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On June 16 2011 23:44 StrangrDangr wrote: What on Earth does this have to do with the ladder being locked? He comes from Arenajunkies, these kind of off-topic posts are standard over there... | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:34 IsraeL wrote: I'm plat but golds are being favoured vs me xD Yes because , favored etc game counts by ladder points , not league | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 17 2011 00:07 sereniity wrote: He comes from Arenajunkies, these kind of off-topic posts are standard over there... left that place =[ | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On June 17 2011 00:51 lolsixtynine wrote: False... that's why top players aren't stuck in bronze? that would be epic actually | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
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lolsixtynine
United States600 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:51 shtdisturbance wrote: you have to play enough to go around 50% so its stable. Your win% is too high currently? False... that's why top players aren't stuck in bronze? | ||
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shadowboxer
United States224 Posts
On June 17 2011 00:48 StrangrDangr wrote: Wow their are so many GM level players in this thread, truly this thread is home to the pinnacle of SC2 skill. Also it seems that everyone plays on their friend's accounts. What is even more incredible is how they then go on to keep an incredible record vs said GMs. Your post is worthless. On topic, still beating mid-high rated masters with no promotion for about 5 days now. Hopefully they'll at least let us know what the source of the bug is to see if it's related to everyone's specific scenario. | ||
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tutsicockroach
United States57 Posts
why can't blizzard maintain a fully functioning ladder system? jesus christ i hope they do something soon, i'm losing the motivation to ladder/play. | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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swinkles
131 Posts
On June 17 2011 00:48 StrangrDangr wrote: Wow their are so many GM level players in this thread, truly this thread is home to the pinnacle of SC2 skill. Also it seems that everyone plays on their friend's accounts. What is even more incredible is how they then go on to keep an incredible record vs said GMs. Dude! Yesterday I played a GM after going 95-2 on my friends silver account. Look how easy it is. | ||
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Fojji
United Kingdom217 Posts
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Ziktomini
United Kingdom377 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 17 2011 01:55 Fojji wrote: stormscale or that fake guy? ;DDD fake =[[ | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2879171/Tolki I'm pretty sure this is linked to the bug :p Any ETA from Blizz Excal ? | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On June 17 2011 02:24 Boraz wrote: When is it going to be fixed!!! soon ofc But on a serious note the only thing that doesnt chance is your icon on the front page, the ladder itself functions perfectly. The only downside is that it isnt nice to see that the guy who you played is bronze, but that isnt that important. | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
On June 17 2011 02:31 TheAwesomeAll wrote: soon ofc But on a serious note the only thing that doesnt chance is your icon on the front page, the ladder itself functions perfectly. The only downside is that it isnt nice to see that the guy who you played is bronze, but that isnt that important. when i tell diamond players i'm in bronze they don't take me seriously =[ then they get a can of whoop ass | ||
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aznkukuboi
120 Posts
I've seen people get promotion to masters even at 10-0 in the past. | ||
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Billd
Canada210 Posts
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tubs
764 Posts
On June 17 2011 06:37 Billd wrote: In this thread here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2661227233 someone said that there is a service update coming soon (they said it 6 hours ago), but did not provide a source, of course. Has anyone heard this too and has a source to go with it? I've been unable to find one thus far. At this moment when you log into US battle.net there is a box on the left side of the screen that says a service update is coming soon. There's no mention of what it will fix but let's hope this bug gets squashed with this update. | ||
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Billd
Canada210 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2674979825 | ||
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BeWat3r
Germany182 Posts
Is there still this bug or did they just make it harder to get promoted? | ||
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Bluubb
Sweden3 Posts
On my main account, where i have been playing most of my matches (about 110 matches season 2) I am in bronze, ranked nr1 and playing a mix of bronze, gold and plat. Have not been promoted but thats not big deal since i still feel i get matched with equally skilled opponents. However, on my second account which has been "inactive", I decided to play the placements matches just to see where I would end up being placed. I won 4 out of my 5 matches and was placed in gold. I was then matched against mostly platinum players and lost about 8 games in a row. Then I played a bronze player and got promoted to platinum. This was a couple of days ago. I don't understand how the ladder system works, with points and mmr and all that, it just seems so random. I would place my skill level at silver/low gold. And why get promoted after loosing a bunch of games? | ||
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LittleBill
United States7 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:56 Bluubb wrote: Playing on two accounts atm, both on the EU server, due to a little misshappening when actually first trying to buy the game On my main account, where i have been playing most of my matches (about 110 matches season 2) I am in bronze, ranked nr1 and playing a mix of bronze, gold and plat. Have not been promoted but thats not big deal since i still feel i get matched with equally skilled opponents. However, on my second account which has been "inactive", I decided to play the placements matches just to see where I would end up being placed. I won 4 out of my 5 matches and was placed in gold. I was then matched against mostly platinum players and lost about 8 games in a row. Then I played a bronze player and got promoted to platinum. This was a couple of days ago. I don't understand how the ladder system works, with points and mmr and all that, it just seems so random. I would place my skill level at silver/low gold. And why get promoted after loosing a bunch of games? See I hope my ability to be promoted is not hindered because i played over 250 games in my current league so i have to work extra hard to get out because i have been in it so long? | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Since then, im about 25-2 but still in platinum, and my MMR is matching me vs 800-1400 masters consistently now so I think thats warrant of a masters promotion.. the last time I made an account on US server I was promoted to masters around 15 games. pretty lame, im wasting all my bonus points in platinum cause of this bug =[ | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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tuestresfat
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On June 17 2011 12:07 tuestresfat wrote: just wondering when does the new season start? is it really soon? =O i barely played 100games in season2 -.-' I find it unlikely there'll be a new season coming any time soon. Season 2 really isn't that old. Confirming EU is still broken, anyway. Gone 90-6 and still bronze while facing mainly high level plats, as well as a few diamond and one masters. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada418 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On June 17 2011 12:24 Teliko wrote: I find it unlikely there'll be a new season coming any time soon. Season 2 really isn't that old. Confirming EU is still broken, anyway. Gone 90-6 and still bronze while facing mainly high level plats, as well as a few diamond and one masters. I agree that it is unlikely that a new season is coming, but according to Blizzard it actually is. The new season technically, should be here in less than 2 weeks. 3 month seasons (season 2 started 3/27/11) That means only 11 days till the 3 month mark. So a new season shouldn't be TOO far away. | ||
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LittleBill
United States7 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On June 17 2011 14:33 LittleBill wrote: they also said they would notify us ahead of time before the new season was gonna come. but they did say they planned on a 3 month season Last time they mentioned 'the 3 month plan' was 3 weeks ago at EU Bnet forums http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2151757258?page=2#27 But as there has not been any announcements yet, I would guess they are not in schedule. | ||
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Bro_Stone
United States510 Posts
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
On June 17 2011 16:43 Bro_Stone wrote: Ye lol. I just played a gold player and I am in mid masters :o that could mean that you are playing someone that blizz thinks should be a lot higher than gold, like diamond, which is not that crazy. I know some Grandmasters play platinum like if the plat is a smurf account. Playing someone higher or lower than you does not mean the ladder is messed up, unless this happens everytime, and your rank is not changing. | ||
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JustinHit
United States196 Posts
Won of course. Its odd since this already happened like a month ago. | ||
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Blanchy
United States7 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 17 2011 17:08 HitStarcraft wrote: Yea I'm a rank 30 masters and I had an even match with a platinum player... Won of course. Its odd since this already happened like a month ago. of course? if he plays vs u, u got similar mmr's therefore it wouldnt have been weird if he won. rank in division dont mean shit btw. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 | ||
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On June 17 2011 23:30 Nepsilon wrote: Has blizzard released and official answer on this yet and stated and ETA on the fix ? I ask the same question. I had a week straight of ranked first in plat against master opponents and received no promotion. I'd like to know if it was a bug and if it is then the exact nature of the bug. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
But I finally got promoted to diamond yesterday... So I don't know if the bug was fixed or if I simply wasn't bugged, but yeah.... finally... What sucked, is that when I was losing before getting promoted, even VS people in masters, I was losing something like 18-20points, and only 6-8 for winning... | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On June 18 2011 00:30 Trig wrote: meh just got a mate to buy me a new sc2 so i can win 5 placement matches np i dont think you can get promoted to masters just from placements in 1v1.. i know you can in team games but ive yet to see it in 1v1, and ive had afew 5-0 accounts in the past month. | ||
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Trig
United Kingdom64 Posts
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ckunkel1
United States181 Posts
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xmikeyy17x
United States92 Posts
i want out of bronze!!!! | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
been playing masters and high masters (those about to get promoted i believe)...they're always Favored and im getting 42-46 points per win.. im like 22/7 by now... | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:28 Trig wrote: Sold my old masters SC2 acc (cause of WoW) and I'm using my mates SC2 acc which he hasn't played on since the previous season. Did a placement match and got in Bronze. I've gone like 55-4 and i'm still not getting promoted. I've faced 7 Diamond players (beat them all) and 15 platinum players before that (lost to two of them). Anyone know what could be the problem? Mates win los was kinda bad before season two. But the MMR should be fixed now cause I'm meeting Diamond players, right? Thanks in advance. The reason is because you're continually imporving. In order to get promoted your ladder needs to equalibriate meaning you need to stop winning so many games if you want to get promoted to diamond. If you want to get promoted to masters keep winning until you get to masters. msv was a guy i played beta with and he just started playing again on a new ID and he did the same thing, he went 36-0 starting in platinum until he was playing masters players but was still platinum. Once he started playing grandmasters players he started losing games and when he started losing games it promoted him to masters with 1100 points. This is how it's always worked. There is an entire thread about this. On June 18 2011 03:08 Sif_ wrote: won my 5 placements and got into plat.. been playing masters and high masters (those about to get promoted i believe)...they're always Favored and im getting 42-46 points per win.. im like 22/7 by now... 29 games player isn't very many. I'm 99% sure if you get 70+ games player you will have been promoted by then. | ||
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mello.tron
Sweden7 Posts
On June 18 2011 03:14 starcraft911 wrote: The reason is because you're continually imporving. In order to get promoted your ladder needs to equalibriate meaning you need to stop winning so many games if you want to get promoted to diamond. If you want to get promoted to masters keep winning until you get to masters. This isn't true. Please read the thread before posting. On June 16 2011 06:13 Excalibur_Z wrote: No, stop saying this. That hasn't been true for like 6 months. Something is up with the ladder, they've identified an issue and are testing a hotfix. We don't know exactly what the issue is. It could be a partial lock, it could be some bugged players, it could be something not updating properly, it could be a side effect from the last fix. Also, given that MMR works on a moving average, it should be obvious that you will get promoted even if you don't lose, since your moving average will eventually cross the league threshold if you keep winning (although you might, for example, reach masters level by the time your moving average hits diamond). | ||
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WarpMePlz
United Kingdom76 Posts
Will people please read thing at the top of the page which explains this, and stop saying its because your MMR needs to stabilize because you are wrong. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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Waarez
Belgium73 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
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shadowboxer
United States224 Posts
On June 18 2011 05:52 Excalibur_Z wrote: Well I followed up, they're not gonna be able to give me any updates on the bug. Chances are people will figure out when it gets fixed because people we know who are affected by the issue will start getting promoted :> Well, thanks for trying at least. I guess I'll be clueless and keep wasting my time laddering until promo. -.- | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
I don't want this thread to be full of people saying "why am I not promoted, I'm plat and I've faced diamonds for a long time blah blah" because it's understood that Diamond promotions take longer, and various other examples of people generally not understanding the system. We don't know how widespread the problem is, but when people like the guy I linked get promoted, we'll know it's fixed. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:11 Boraz wrote: Diamond promotions take longer? You, sir, are an idiot. My friend got promoted to plat one day, and like 3 days later got promoted to diamond. GG sir. What he means is, there are always people whining about not being promoted because they fought "a few diamond players" and think they instantly should be in diamond. Though this bug is becoming incredibly silly, I faced a GM player on my smurf yesterday and the account is still in diamond... | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:11 Boraz wrote: Diamond promotions take longer? You, sir, are an idiot. My friend got promoted to plat one day, and like 3 days later got promoted to diamond. GG sir. I agree with what you said, except for the part where you were unnecessarily rude for no reason. On June 18 2011 06:14 Penecks wrote: What he means is, there are always people whining about not being promoted because they fought "a few diamond players" and think they instantly should be in diamond. Though this bug is becoming incredibly silly, I faced a GM player on my smurf yesterday and the account is still in diamond... What was the GM players name? Some GM players have very low MMR. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
Starcraft I was rude because people say crap like they know what they're talking about and they don't. Don't post wrong info. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:11 Boraz wrote: Diamond promotions take longer? You, sir, are an idiot. My friend got promoted to plat one day, and like 3 days later got promoted to diamond. GG sir. The time is irrelevant. Diamond covers a larger skill range than Gold, Silver, or Plat, so it takes longer to move into it. Read the ladder guide! | ||
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Drteeth
Great Britain415 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:17 starcraft911 wrote: I agree with what you said, except for the part where you were unnecessarily rude for no reason. What was the GM players name? Some GM players have very low MMR. Nice one, well said. | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:11 Boraz wrote: Diamond promotions take longer? You, sir, are an idiot. My friend got promoted to plat one day, and like 3 days later got promoted to diamond. GG sir. it took longer, LOL I want to get promoted! I'm the number 2 silver in the whole world ]http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/silver | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:17 starcraft911 wrote: What was the GM players name? Some GM players have very low MMR. The player was AmandilGMMA, currently rank 180. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:25 -Strider- wrote: it took longer, LOL I want to get promoted! I'm the number 2 silver in the whole world ]http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/silver lol go strider! | ||
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auTo.ckc
67 Posts
"sorry for the inconvenience, but whatever you do for the next couple of days won't matter as much" Obviously not that stupid, and obviously their actions matter. I was just making up an example. Still they should do it. | ||
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LordOfDabu
United States394 Posts
I agree that Blizzard needs more transparency, but I don't think that's the way to handle it. Best way would be to just make mmr public imo. | ||
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jiabung
United States720 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:53 jiabung wrote: So has anyone actually been promoted AFTER 6/15? I feel like this is a global problem and not only affecting some leagues like Blizzard claims. Yes, this guy was promoted at 6/17: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/32051/2/MUDO/ladder/47845#current-rank That is today actually | ||
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SCFlavor
United States82 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
I went to 1669 diamond ( high ) and still couldn't get promoted. I got matched with some mid/high masters or rising diamond / with good win ratio. So i tried to mass game even with my bonus pool cleared but i couldn't get promoted. http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/diamond/2R Lost some points today but still top 5 world diamond 2x2 RT =/ Even if my win ratio is only 55% i still feel there is something weird going on. Or maybe i'm just not as good than all the iddle masters with less than 5 games this season :3 | ||
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DennyR
Germany379 Posts
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Philip2110
Scotland798 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
I can't wait until hes promoted. He'll have a baller ass record, and be at like 1.1k after promotion lol | ||
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
On June 18 2011 09:17 DennyR wrote: Iam top 100 plat, playing mid masters and dont get promoted. I even lost a few games on purpose to... well lose a few games and see if I get promoted but Iam still plat read everything Excalibur_Z has said. | ||
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Not_That
287 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:03 Excalibur_Z wrote: And when I say "people affected by the issue" I mean people like this http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/642473/1/Brolettuce/ladder/45622#current-rank. This guy has 1056 adjusted points and he's in Gold league, and based on what we understand about the ladder, he should have been promoted long ago because his MMR is so high that a promotion should have prevented him from getting this many points. I am curious where did you get that 1056 adjusted points figure for a Gold league player. After searching, I've only been able to come up with the following: Master: -150 Diamond S-Rank: 0 Diamond A-Rank: +63 Diamond B-Rank: +126 Diamond C-Rank: +189 Diamond D-Rank: +252 Diamond E-Rank: +315 Diamond F-Rank: +378 If the points modifier for leagues below Diamond are known I am very much interested in seeing them, even if how many division tiers per league in plat / gold / silver is still unknown. If you can direct me in the right direction it will be much appreciated. Now that I think about it, did you get the adjusted points figure from seeing that player's matches history, seeing which opponents in master league he received / lost 12 points for winning / losing to, and deduced his adjusted points from that? If so, this means this ladder lock is actually a golden opportunity. Having some players in lower leagues having master league MMR means we could get a pretty good idea of the adjusted points for the bronze / silver / gold / plat leagues. I hope this isn't seen as off topic, I would have pm'd this to Exalibur_Z but I imagine more people are interested and for this reason making a post is probably best. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On June 18 2011 11:52 Not_That wrote: I am curious where did you get that 1056 adjusted points figure for a Gold league player. After searching, I've only been able to come up with the following: Master: -150 Diamond S-Rank: 0 Diamond A-Rank: +63 Diamond B-Rank: +126 Diamond C-Rank: +189 Diamond D-Rank: +252 Diamond E-Rank: +315 Diamond F-Rank: +378 If the points modifier for leagues below Diamond are known I am very much interested in seeing them, even if how many division tiers per league in plat / gold / silver is still unknown. If you can direct me in the right direction it will be much appreciated. Now that I think about it, did you get the adjusted points figure from seeing that player's matches history, seeing which opponents in master league he received / lost 12 points for winning / losing to, and deduced his adjusted points from that? If so, this means this ladder lock is actually a golden opportunity. Having some players in lower leagues having master league MMR means we could get a pretty good idea of the adjusted points for the bronze / silver / gold / plat leagues. I hope this isn't seen as off topic, I would have pm'd this to Exalibur_Z but I imagine more people are interested and for this reason making a post is probably best. I'm not saying that's what his division offset is, I'm saying that's how many adjusted points that guy has. He has 2063 points and 29 bonus pool. Checking this guy http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/519834/1/Feliche/ladder/45622#current-rank who has 0 wins (therefore no bonus pool spent), he has 1036 bonus pool, meaning that's the current max. 2063 + 29 - 1036 = 1056 adjusted points. | ||
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longtang
United States73 Posts
I am a super diamond. I am an extreme diamond Once the bug is fixed, I will slowly become master! Fear Me! ![[image loading]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2714/5844417892_a8eae8fa02_b.jpg) | ||
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TylerThaCreator
United States906 Posts
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coreofsoul
United States1 Post
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DavidLindley
United States84 Posts
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DavidLindley
United States84 Posts
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Joysick
United States57 Posts
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
After about 10 days, I got back on and laddered, I played 3 games in a row all against people who were slightly favored. I thought this was great, as they wouldn't demote me for losing to them, and winning brings my MMR up high! So, I convincingly crush all 3, thinking that i'm just awesome. After defeating them, I check their profile to see that they were all LOW platinum players! (one of them had 80 points!) My question is this: Is my MMR so bad that these people had a higher one than me, and it's a miracle that i'm still in diamond, or is it this glitches fault? | ||
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Not_That
287 Posts
On June 18 2011 13:20 TylerThaCreator wrote: This bug has screwed me out of so many ladder points (facing plats/diamonds that should've been promoted long ago making me slightly favored :[) The lock hasn't affected your points at all. You being favoured is based off of your points, and your opponent's MMR. Since neither of these is affected by the lock, your points remain unaffected. On June 18 2011 13:38 Munk-E wrote: I have a question. I'm mid-diamond, and about a week ago, I went on a losing streak. Now I've been demoted from diamond to platinum before (3 times if you can believe that!) , and I figured out that to not be demoted, you don't play for a week or so and then ride your bonus pool to a reasonable position. After about 10 days, I got back on and laddered, I played 3 games in a row all against people who were slightly favored. I thought this was great, as they wouldn't demote me for losing to them, and winning brings my MMR up high! So, I convincingly crush all 3, thinking that i'm just awesome. After defeating them, I check their profile to see that they were all LOW platinum players! (one of them had 80 points!) My question is this: Is my MMR so bad that these people had a higher one than me, and it's a miracle that i'm still in diamond, or is it this glitches fault? Your bonus pool has nothing to do with you not getting demoted. For all intent and purposes, bonus pool and the points it gives you are dust that Blizzard throws at your eyes. Always add the bonus pool of your opponents to their current points to get a more accurate representation of their true ladder standing. Having done that, if you're mostly playing platinum players (especially if they're lower ranked platinum players) then it is likely you will be demoted eventually. | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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DrivE
United States2554 Posts
he's like at 1.6K in plat while rank 2 is at 155 points | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On June 18 2011 14:45 Penecks wrote: My smurf was just promoted after beating a top 8 masters guy... I wasn't doing particularly well or anything so maybe it is fixed now for some people at least. The number of players reporting a promotion here is indeed pretty high, but it's difficult to be sure if it has been fixed with only 1 day of data, as promotions were occurring in this period (Jun 10-17). I'll keep an eye at diamond and platinum leagues on LA region this weekend, this should confirm things, as only 1 person seems to have been promoted in the last 7 days. So anything higher than 2 players being promoted will basicly confirm that a hotfix (at least a temporary one) was deployed or not. We can also keep an eye in these guys that should obviously be promoted in their next winning game (1x1): + Show Spoiler + Platinum: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2166993/1/eXelonWelmu/ (he might not have played after hotfix) http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1962219/1/토너먼트백십일/ (promoted to diamond) Gold: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/642473/1/Brolettuce/ (has not played 1x1 yet (after Jun/17th) http://www.battlenet.com.cn/sc2/zh/profile/274839/1/KakuL/ (this one has been promoted already, he had 1923 points in gold according to sc2ranks) Silver: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2010074/1/WhistlerR/ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/32051/2/MUDO/ (promoted to diamond, he was at silver with 1000 or more adjusted points) http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2155268/1/zhenzhen/ (has not played yet) http://tw.battle.net/sc2/zh/profile/202810/2/NwToT/ (promoted to gold) http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/813583/1/krølltopp/ (has played, has won, but no promotion, even though he has 1000+ adjusted points) http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3216313/1/BRoad/ (hasn't played yet) http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2068798/1/DocFoster/ (hasn't played yet) http://www.battlenet.com.cn/sc2/zh/profile/836276/1/Lightman/ (hasn't played yet) http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/545417/1/quantik/ (Idk) http://www.battlenet.com.cn/sc2/zh/profile/406284/1/冷血天使/ (Idk) ------------------------------------- It seems that it has been hotfixed in someway, but I can't confirm anything. Go play guys, I need more data. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
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luuk
Austria386 Posts
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Hashmeister
Germany238 Posts
Hope they fix it soon | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
I am not sure but i think it isnt fixed for me at least. | ||
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Av0kA
Ireland2 Posts
My friend started in SC2 last week, he won 50 games and lost about 40 in bronze and got promoted to gold instantly. (I have played him and crushed him) I have a friend in diamond who I play with often and can beat him 50:50..... The ladder is a joke. | ||
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xmikeyy17x
United States92 Posts
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Lucyans
Italy5 Posts
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Nepsilon
Macedonia160 Posts
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Arcanewinds
United Kingdom197 Posts
I am a Platinum playing against 1200-1500 Masters every game. I have played around 75 games I believe. Here is a link to my account. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2875812/1/Arcanewinds/ I'll play another game a bit later. Hope that helps with 'stats'. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2875812/Arcanewinds | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
On June 19 2011 00:21 Arcanewinds wrote: After logging in I haven't been promoted, but I haven't played another game yet. I am a Platinum playing against 1200-1500 Masters every game. I have played around 75 games I believe. Here is a link to my account. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2875812/1/Arcanewinds/ I'll play another game a bit later. Hope that helps with 'stats'. http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2875812/Arcanewinds Well, now I know why i have been rofl stomped by some top platinium players lately... | ||
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Semtext
Germany287 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
GL HF! | ||
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
On June 19 2011 00:32 Diks wrote: Well, now I know why i have been rofl stomped by some top platinium players lately... Ya same thing lol I even played once Gold div player that was Favorited vs me lol | ||
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NighT1133
United Kingdom86 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On June 19 2011 01:10 NighT1133 wrote: is a 30-0 win streak enough to get promoted out of silver? yes? It depends how low in bronze you are/were. A friend of mine that tried to demoted himself to get portraits had to win like 90 games in a row to get to silver. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On June 19 2011 01:03 SDream wrote: Just confirming, a hotfix has indeed been deployed yesterday. GL HF! proof ? | ||
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Billd
Canada210 Posts
On June 19 2011 01:03 SDream wrote: Just confirming, a hotfix has indeed been deployed yesterday. GL HF! Yeah this is one of those things that you can't say without providing a link or something along those lines I hope you're right/not trolling though! | ||
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Arcanewinds
United Kingdom197 Posts
On June 19 2011 00:32 Diks wrote: Well, now I know why i have been rofl stomped by some top platinium players lately... Haha, yeah.. I have been getting quite a few funny messages after games when people check my account XD. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/323164/2/AWRuBiK/ladder/47845#current-rank | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On June 19 2011 01:22 Billd wrote: Yeah this is one of those things that you can't say without providing a link or something along those lines I hope you're right/not trolling though!People don't even understand the system, they want a blue post. There is no blue post, so proving it will take a paper enough of text. Believe it in the same way you believed they were bugged. What what was the proof of them being bugged again? | ||
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On June 19 2011 01:31 SDream wrote: People don't even understand the system, they want a blue post. There is no blue post, so proving will take a paper enough of text. Believe it in the same way you believed they were bugged. What were the prove of them being bugged again? On June 16 2011 06:13 Excalibur_Z wrote: Something is up with the ladder, they've identified an issue and are testing a hotfix. We don't know exactly what the issue is. It could be a partial lock, it could be some bugged players, it could be something not updating properly, it could be a side effect from the last fix. Seems proof enough for me if he has contact like he says he does. | ||
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tutsicockroach
United States57 Posts
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Billd
Canada210 Posts
People don't even understand the system, they want a blue post. There is no blue post, so proving will take a paper enough of text. Believe it in the same way you believed they were bugged. What were the proof of them being bugged again? Sorry I don't understand parts of your response, but by proof I meant something like what Excal was able to offer us or 15 or so pages of people reporting similiar stories (that was my proof for them being bugged). Not just one sentence stating that they're fixed. Edit: Also, does the link to your profile indicate that you were promoted to diamond? I'm not sure what that was meant to accomplish. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
SDream understands the system and knows about what happens on the LA server too, and he keeps a lot closer tabs on LA than I do. If he's noticing promotions where none existed in the past week, that's more evidence to support that it's fixed. | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
45/27 overall if that matters. Could be me not understanding the system, but it seems weird. I'm Masters on EU, so my skill-level shouldn't be the problem  | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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Absum
Belgium11 Posts
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iMAxolotl
Canada2 Posts
Had a 13-2 winning streak against Masters yesterday. Got a few minutes to log on today after hearing it was fixed and cheesed 4 games in a row, 4 because the first 3 games it failed. (in hindsight i should have just played 1 legit game and won). No promotion, so I played one more, won again, (all games against 1100+ masters btw, and still no promotion. Still bugged for me. | ||
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Lucyans
Italy5 Posts
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svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
On June 19 2011 04:46 Lucyans wrote: Good news guys after some games i just got promoted from 1 silver to Gold rank 5 ( i didn't know you take the points with you) You don't. You carry over your used bonus pool + 73 points between leagues. | ||
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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ccJroy
United States483 Posts
71 games 67% win rate, 48-23 against 1000-1700 Masters (Average ~1300 masters) with an average of 14 games a day. Right now im 1444 diamond, wont promote me = ( | ||
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Tuk
United Kingdom223 Posts
Played a 2v2 just now beat a masters still no promo, (EU) so i imagine its still bugged. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On June 19 2011 05:20 FenneK wrote: playing vs high masters now, no promotion from diamond after 30 or so games of me winning a bit more than 50% Guys, keep in mind that the bonus pool is already at 1050. Anyone with 1100 points isn't "high" anything, it's just an active player and most likely low masters/diamond/whatever. Also, read the ExcaliburZ guide to the ladder system: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 Promotions won't occur as often as most people want it, but that is by default. If you are diamond and facing masters, that doesn't mean a bug. I think this thread should be closed now, even if the leagues aren't 100% "ok", it's something we can't prove. You shouldn't ask for proof of it being hotfixed, but you should ask for proof of it being bugged. | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 19 2011 05:41 SDream wrote: Guys, keep in mind that the bonus pool is already at 1050. Anyone with 1100 points isn't "high" anything, it's just an active player and most likely low masters/diamond/whatever. Also, read the ExcaliburZ guide to the ladder system: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 Promotions won't occur as often as most people want it, but that is by default. If you are diamond and facing masters, that doesn't mean a bug. I think this thread should be closed now, even if the leagues aren't 100% "ok", it's something we can't prove. You shouldn't ask for proof of it being hotfixed, but you should ask for proof of it being bugged. "Might be fixed. Some of the affected players were promoted. Need more data. -- Excal_Z 6/17" Sounds dumb closing the thread. and im at 1350 + 300 pool | ||
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Flameling
United States413 Posts
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shadowboxer
United States224 Posts
The fact that I'm able to compete at a high masters level and am somehow not balancing out in at least a low masters confidence level makes no sense. I might understand it if GM was actually a regular league above masters, but it isn't. It's not like my MMR can cross over into GM level and when I do get promoted to Masters, get promoted to GM shortly after, there is nothing after Masters until my MMR just so happens to be high enough the day someone gets kicked out of top 200 for high bonus pool. | ||
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DjKniteX
United States238 Posts
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bigbadgreen
United States142 Posts
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
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Payo
Slovenia15 Posts
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sickduck
United States53 Posts
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iMAxolotl
Canada2 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 19 2011 08:07 sickduck wrote: i dont know, im high silver and i have been getting placed up against golds but mostly plats and i have a 10 game winning streak, should i have gotten promoted already? you have got to be kidding me... | ||
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sertman
United States540 Posts
I got promoted yesterday from Silver to Gold on the EU server. | ||
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Alkior
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DexTheBest
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Steelavocado
United States2123 Posts
Have a fantastic day!!!! | ||
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Alteran
United States4 Posts
Edit: Is it possible to be promoted from plat to master? If so, that could explain it | ||
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hellraiser1110
Croatia70 Posts
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SCFlavor
United States82 Posts
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
On June 19 2011 11:16 hellraiser1110 wrote: You just gotta play more, ladder when you can, 5-10-15 games doesn't matter you will get promoted sometime. You guys are worrying too much about nothing, just like me :D +5 points for not reading anything in the thread at all. | ||
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Zeppelin535
Canada262 Posts
On June 19 2011 15:02 Rarak wrote: I think its fixed, I got promoted to masters yesterday.. (after 2 pretty bad days actually) but before that I was 1600 diamond on NA winning vs medium masters often and not being promoted. Interesting, exact same situation that I am stuck in... | ||
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LittleBill
United States7 Posts
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Alteran
United States4 Posts
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cheeseplease
Korea (South)5 Posts
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DangerVault
United States1 Post
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Zath.erin
Canada429 Posts
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Chelch
United Kingdom159 Posts
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locant
Australia45 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
"I can confirm. There should be no issues with promotions anymore. As always we will continue to monitor the situation, but if at the moment you are not being promoted, it should be simply because it is not quite the right moment yet." | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2879171/Tolki DIAMOND. Have been playing Masters for 50+ games. Was plat until 1h ago. | ||
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Assaulter
Lithuania324 Posts
On June 19 2011 10:16 DexTheBest wrote: Got promoted to masters >>> EU ! same here! we were in same division, you were first and i was second. got promoted just now into the same division as you :D | ||
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luuk
Austria386 Posts
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Payo
Slovenia15 Posts
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Tuk
United Kingdom223 Posts
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pac.558
Canada90 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
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