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On June 10 2011 10:02 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 08:15 AzurewinD wrote:On June 10 2011 08:09 Badfatpanda wrote:
I find it amusing that after 30 pages of discussion nobody brought up the fact that Blizzard keyboards themselves have macros... His sponsor wanted him to do it, hes contractually bound to do so, big deal as long as you don't use them yourself. Congrats now this thread can move on. O' White Knight of White Knights. Ye hath rode to our rescue. Long shall we shower praises of sweet blissful harmony upon thy vaunted head for... ...Claiming to read 30 pages of discussion and missing each post in which several people have already submitted the same point you have, only to be disproven time and time again when someone points out Blizzard doesn't explicitly encourage you to use macro keys specifically for Starcraft 2 in the way Steelseries did in their advertisement. In fact, they have banned people in the past and continue to assert that any macro setup involving 1 key press being mapped to multiple actions is a bannable offense. I thank you for delivering us from the darkness. You are a true hero. /sarcasm. sry I really only skimmed the first 10, but there is really no other implication for having macros on a Blizzard marketed SC2 product other than "hey we support this keyboard for this game". Oh whoops our TOS don't support macros...mixed messages ftw =D. So ya, Blizzard "explicitly encourage you to use macro..." to anyone who can put macros + keyboard for SC2 together. So no, even though there is not a public video advertisement of it, I am not disproven of anything. The people in this thread bashing Grubby for following the wishes of his sponsor should really direct their attention towards Steelseries instead if they must be angry at someone. All I was trying to say.
It was already posted 3 seperate times on the first 10 pages, the first of them being on page 3. And i only checked for that exact link you provided. I think the razor one was also mentioned at least one time.
And in my opinion, people should be responsible for what they promote. Obviously, SS has it pretty bad in this one, too. I really wonder if noone came up to them and told them "Hey guys, i don't think this is really a good idea"
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On June 10 2011 09:36 obsKura wrote:Update from Grubby's Fanpage on Facebook. He replied to a post on his Wall concerning this issue: https://www.facebook.com/FollowGrubby"Hey Manuel, the scene is quite confused right now about your promo of the SteelSeries Shift keyboard. I don't think this was intentionally but it would be awesome to hear your thoughts on this. The thread on TL does have already 34 pages. Just wanted to let you know in case you have not yet seen it. -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=231856"Grubby "It being a StarCraft 2 branded keyboard, SteelSeries has checked with Blizzard before producing the Shift. It is not illegal of course." Please stop throwing shit on him.
This should definitely be added to the OP.
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As 1000 people have said and I guess I will be 1,001. The Keyboard itself is perfectly fine and legal in terms of the ToS. However the software and video detailing how you can bind multiple key strokes into one is not.
I feel that is what Grubby was talking about in that statement regarding SteelSeries and checking with Blizzard. That the keyboard is perfectly fine and legal to use. There was no mention about the software though. Really why would Blizzard , in an RTS game, allow that kind of program to be run or allow macros?
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People should be forced to do it the hard way. Like me. I physically connected my Shift and 4 keys.
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On June 10 2011 11:17 Eddog wrote:
As 1000 people have said and I guess I will be 1,001. The Keyboard itself is perfectly fine and legal in terms of the ToS. However the software and video detailing how you can bind multiple key strokes into one is not.
I feel that is what Grubby was talking about in that statement regarding SteelSeries and checking with Blizzard. That the keyboard is perfectly fine and legal to use. There was no mention about the software though. Really why would Blizzard , in an RTS game, allow that kind of program to be run or allow macros?
I'm in the impression that SteelSeries asked Blizzard about the whole promo campaign and not only if they were allowed to use macro in their keyboards -_-
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I mean obviously I could be completely wrong, but that would be a big turn around by Blizzard if they allow that type of program to be used in game play for Sc2. From everything I have ever known and read is that you can not have something bound that allows more then 1 action per key stroke. In the video it shows some insane macros that are 5+, which could give someone a distinct advantage over another person. I mean people could still be absolutely terrible when using it, but the fact is it's still not allowed under the current ToS as I understand it.
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On June 10 2011 10:58 taLbuk wrote:
Are people mainly upset about the fact that they are presenting the fact that it is possible? or the fact it exists?
Almost every logitech/razer/steelseries keyboard has programmable macro keys etc, just kind of confused, I beleive it was Jinro and maybe TLO who when they got sponsored by Razer said they use the Blackwidow, the Blackwidow is also capable of binding macros that produce more than one action per press, so does this make them bad guys too?
If Jinro and TLO put out a video showing how to use that product to violate the TOS, then yes, there would be a problem. Simply stating they use a particular keyboard is fine. Had Grubby simply said he uses this keyboard, or even pointed out how macros can be used for other purposes outside of Starcraft 2, that would be fine as well. But demonstrating several ways to violate the rules of the game is not ok.
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this thread should be closed
Grubby never said anything like "Go on ladder and use it!"
technicalities guys. It's perfectly ok to use macros in single player
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On June 10 2011 11:44 pbjsandwich wrote:
this thread should be closed
Grubby never said anything like "Go on ladder and use it!"
technicalities guys. It's perfectly ok to use macros in single player
When Grubby explains how to use macros on warpgates he was obviously refering to the single player missions we'll se in the third expansion set
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hey he could be appealing to people who like playinga gaisnt computers too
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steelseries just lost it for me RAZER it is lol this seems super stupid for a large company to do
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On June 10 2011 12:05 pbjsandwich wrote:
hey he could be appealing to people who like playinga gaisnt computers too
hey he could be appealing to people who like laddering too
Where is your point dude ????
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On June 10 2011 11:10 Diks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 09:36 obsKura wrote:Update from Grubby's Fanpage on Facebook. He replied to a post on his Wall concerning this issue: https://www.facebook.com/FollowGrubby"Hey Manuel, the scene is quite confused right now about your promo of the SteelSeries Shift keyboard. I don't think this was intentionally but it would be awesome to hear your thoughts on this. The thread on TL does have already 34 pages. Just wanted to let you know in case you have not yet seen it. -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=231856"Grubby "It being a StarCraft 2 branded keyboard, SteelSeries has checked with Blizzard before producing the Shift. It is not illegal of course." Please stop throwing shit on him. This should definitely be added to the OP. Wrong
"It is not illegal of course."
Except it is. As stated in the Starcraft 2 Terms of Service, and by Blizzard employees:
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On June 10 2011 12:06 Diks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 12:05 pbjsandwich wrote:
hey he could be appealing to people who like playinga gaisnt computers too hey he could be appealing to people who like laddering too Where is your point dude ????
what is the point of this topic?
Why is it 30 pages when he never said "go break the TOS, go use this on ladder"
So if he never promotes it for using it on ladder then he's not promoting the use of it on ladder
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people need to get that
Ladder =/= competitive scene
Pros don't use ladder for productive practice. Why are you all acting like it's some kind of holy ground for competition?
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also consider this
What's better for esports? Some people using a macro keyboard on ladder or a company that supports SC2 heavily getting higher sales and supporting SC2 even more?
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Till Blizzard themself says in a official statement that macro keys on "Starcraft 2"-keyboards and other keyboards with macros are allowed (something they shouldn't have to do) I will shit on every keyboard with macros that gets advertised like this, and I will shit on everyone who use them macros.
And if Blizzard allows macros, then I will shit on them and get the fuck out of SC2.
EDIT: pbjsandwich, use the edit button instead of spamming the thread.
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On June 10 2011 12:16 Termit wrote:
Till Blizzard themself says in a official statement that macro keys on "Starcraft 2"-keyboards and other keyboards with macros are allowed (something they shouldn't have to do) I will shit on every keyboard with macros that gets advertised like this, and I will shit on everyone who use them macros.
And if Blizzard allows macros, then I will shit on them and get the fuck out of SC2.
EDIT: pbjsandwich, use the edit button instead of spamming the thread.
Don't tell me how to post 
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I'm surprised at the amount of apologists in this thread. The video very directly implies that these macros are to be used in normal ladder games, trying to argue that he is advertising to use in single player against computers is grasping at straws. What purpose would learning to use a macro key, and implementing it into your play solely to be used against computers serve? Let's hear some intelligent arguements.
Oh wait, that's not possible. It's blatantly cheating.
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On June 10 2011 12:20 Angry_Fetus wrote:
I'm surprised at the amount of apologists in this thread. The video very directly implies that these macros are to be used in normal ladder games, trying to argue that he is advertising to use in single player against computers is grasping at straws. What purpose would learning to use a macro key, and implementing it into your play solely to be used against computers serve? Let's hear some intelligent arguements.
Oh wait, that's not possible. It's blatantly cheating.
the video implies grubby is a god because of the white background and the glow around him too
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