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I cannot believe Steelseries thought this would be a good idea on any level, lol. This is just absurd.
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On June 10 2011 06:36 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:34 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:32 Hypemeup wrote:On June 10 2011 06:27 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:24 Hypemeup wrote:On June 10 2011 06:19 ptbl wrote:
This pretty much means I'm not buying steelseries products.I don't support companies that promote cheating in Starcraft 2. The integrity of the game must be upheld and protected. I'll stick with Razer for now. Good thing Razer does not sell macro keyboar.... Shit. Please link me to a youtube video or article where Razer has promoted their macro keyboard to be used for Starcraft 2. Hello again buddy, calmed down abit I see! http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.199817100/categoryId.35156900On-The-Fly Macro Recording Allows For Effortless Configuration
Record unlimited macros on-the-fly without having to take your eye off the game and immediately change between up to 10 profiles without the hassle of going into complex driver menus. PS: HI Skamtet, still posting in the OT on AJ? Thank you. I'm also done with Razer. Razer does not promote the usage of the macro keys for SC2 ... and when you look at where those keys are (assuming only they are programmable while the shift can program every key), their placement on the very top right of the keyboard is totally unsuitable to be used for sc2.
Oops, I didn't click on the link, I just went by the word of the previous poster. Thanks for letting me know. I'll have to think about my position with Razer, but I'm definitely done with steelseries.
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On June 10 2011 06:27 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:21 Vulcano wrote:On June 10 2011 06:12 Egyptian_Head wrote:On June 10 2011 05:19 Vulcano wrote:On June 10 2011 05:01 Egyptian_Head wrote:On June 10 2011 04:48 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 04:45 Egyptian_Head wrote:On June 10 2011 04:29 deadjon wrote:On June 10 2011 04:26 Egyptian_Head wrote:On June 10 2011 04:17 JFCycWalker wrote:
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You are openly admitting that any unfair and cheating play does not matter as long as the game plays the same for you. As long as your game does what you want it to do when you tell it, you don't care if your opponent map hacks. I am failing to see the logic, but I will leave you to your delusions. Map hacks do change my game experience. I cannot hide anything, drops are pointless etc. It just ruins my fun. Macro keyboard does not ruin my fun. Map hacks automate scounting, no? Keyboard macros automate APM, no? Both would ruin my fun. But I don't see how this is an argument of "fun" but rather an argument regarding a large esports sponsor openly condoning actions against Blizzards ToS. That's bad IMO. The first person quoting cut off the first part of my post which says that I think people are taking this too seriously not that they should or should not be allowed. Im only arguing that people are taking this way to seriously, im not arguing that they are or are not allowed or even should or should not be allowed. Just that people are taking it to seriously. Your attitude of accepting cheating as part of the game scares me. What's going to stop you cheating by using the macros? You said you don't mind if an opponent uses the macros to cheat. What's going to stop you from doing the same if you think cheating is ok? This is what really scares me that there are people who share your beliefs and who cheat in the game because they think it's ok. If you had read this entire loooong quote you would know I have been saying that someone else using a macro keyboard does not affect my playing experience. Me using a macro keyboard on the other hand does affect my play experience. In this case for the worse, I like challenging games and a macro keyboard according to people in this thread would make the game easier hence I will not use it. What boogles my mind is why do people care what other do if it is not affecting how they experience the game. If you think it does affect how you experience the game great, I disagree. You are still taking this whole macro keyboard thing this far to seriously which is the entire point of everything I have said. your ability to pretend two players using vastly different control mechanics, one being greatly simplified, are equal, due to the MMS, is astounding. It sounds to me like you are trying to say.. "I like to be challenged, whether by fair or unfair competition, because i am too tough or stubborn to be affected my macro keyboards and so everyone else should feel that way, contrary to the published literature foreboding such advantages which was actually written by the authority on such things.." Pretty much. I am saying is everyone is taking it to seriously because it does not affect your experience playing the game. The ladder system negates any bad side effects it has. Im not arguing that it should be allowed, that's up to blizzard. I see people more upset by macro keyboards than third world hunger. Its rather amusing. lol @ the ladder system correcting anything to do with macro keyboards.. if anything, macro keyboards affect ones placement on the ladder system, thus being manipulated in the opposite fashion as you described. and yes, it is up to blizzard, as described in the ToS .. so which is it, we shouldnt care if they are used or we are taking the topic too seriously Ladder system means even if someone is using a macro keyboard you will only face them if you have a reasonable chance of beating them, hence your play experience is not affected meaning there is no need to take it overly seriously.
stupid circular arguement -- you'll never convince me that using macro keyboards doesnt affect ones gameplay and you'll never convince anyone with a quarter of a brain that using a macro keyboard against ppl at the same placement as yourself will still render fair matches and even playing fields.. the only way that would ever happen is that a sub-skilled player to yourself winds up in your league, and places a match with you, in which he has an equal chance to win.... the guy who isnt as good as you... herp derp fucking derp
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Pretty sure my G15 can do all this, I'm just not much of a macro god.
Aside from SteelSeries being dumb for the ad (it won't really matter, gamers forget in a week), Grubby is one sexy mf.
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On June 10 2011 06:39 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:36 TBO wrote:On June 10 2011 06:34 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:32 Hypemeup wrote:On June 10 2011 06:27 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:24 Hypemeup wrote:On June 10 2011 06:19 ptbl wrote:
This pretty much means I'm not buying steelseries products.I don't support companies that promote cheating in Starcraft 2. The integrity of the game must be upheld and protected. I'll stick with Razer for now. Good thing Razer does not sell macro keyboar.... Shit. Please link me to a youtube video or article where Razer has promoted their macro keyboard to be used for Starcraft 2. Hello again buddy, calmed down abit I see! http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.199817100/categoryId.35156900On-The-Fly Macro Recording Allows For Effortless Configuration
Record unlimited macros on-the-fly without having to take your eye off the game and immediately change between up to 10 profiles without the hassle of going into complex driver menus. PS: HI Skamtet, still posting in the OT on AJ? Thank you. I'm also done with Razer. Razer does not promote the usage of the macro keys for SC2 ... and when you look at where those keys are (assuming only they are programmable while the shift can program every key), their placement on the very top right of the keyboard is totally unsuitable to be used for sc2. Oops, I didn't click on the link, I just went by the word of the OP. Thanks for letting me know. I'll have to think about my position with Razer, but I'm definitely done with steelseries.
lol why are you so sensitive about this?
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On June 10 2011 06:36 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:34 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:32 Hypemeup wrote:On June 10 2011 06:27 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:24 Hypemeup wrote:On June 10 2011 06:19 ptbl wrote:
This pretty much means I'm not buying steelseries products.I don't support companies that promote cheating in Starcraft 2. The integrity of the game must be upheld and protected. I'll stick with Razer for now. Good thing Razer does not sell macro keyboar.... Shit. Please link me to a youtube video or article where Razer has promoted their macro keyboard to be used for Starcraft 2. Hello again buddy, calmed down abit I see! http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.199817100/categoryId.35156900On-The-Fly Macro Recording Allows For Effortless Configuration
Record unlimited macros on-the-fly without having to take your eye off the game and immediately change between up to 10 profiles without the hassle of going into complex driver menus. PS: HI Skamtet, still posting in the OT on AJ? Thank you. I'm also done with Razer. Razer does not promote the usage of the macro keys for SC2 ... and when you look at where those keys are (assuming only they are programmable while the shift can program every key), their placement on the very top right of the keyboard is totally unsuitable to be used for sc2.
They sure dont want you to use those macro keys ingame, thats why they included them on their Starcraft2 keyboard!
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there goes all my points on he ladder
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On June 10 2011 06:40 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:39 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:36 TBO wrote:On June 10 2011 06:34 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:32 Hypemeup wrote:On June 10 2011 06:27 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:24 Hypemeup wrote:On June 10 2011 06:19 ptbl wrote:
This pretty much means I'm not buying steelseries products.I don't support companies that promote cheating in Starcraft 2. The integrity of the game must be upheld and protected. I'll stick with Razer for now. Good thing Razer does not sell macro keyboar.... Shit. Please link me to a youtube video or article where Razer has promoted their macro keyboard to be used for Starcraft 2. Hello again buddy, calmed down abit I see! http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.199817100/categoryId.35156900On-The-Fly Macro Recording Allows For Effortless Configuration
Record unlimited macros on-the-fly without having to take your eye off the game and immediately change between up to 10 profiles without the hassle of going into complex driver menus. PS: HI Skamtet, still posting in the OT on AJ? Thank you. I'm also done with Razer. Razer does not promote the usage of the macro keys for SC2 ... and when you look at where those keys are (assuming only they are programmable while the shift can program every key), their placement on the very top right of the keyboard is totally unsuitable to be used for sc2. Oops, I didn't click on the link, I just went by the word of the OP. Thanks for letting me know. I'll have to think about my position with Razer, but I'm definitely done with steelseries. lol why are you so sensitive about this?
I hate cheaters, people who defend cheaters, and people who promote products to make it easier for people to cheat, especially when it's specifically against the ToS.
My anti-cheating stance in Starcraft pretty much developed after what sAviOr and his gang did in broodwar. Though, I always had a deep heated hatred for any type of cheating (homework, relationship, etc).
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I wouldn't mind playing people who use macros because it would be like simulating a game vs Nada. How cool is that?
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why does anyone care how their opponent plays? it obviously isn't allowed in pro tournaments and if you meet someone on ladder using this you won't know the difference. its not like map hacking where the game would be completely different, it just allows you to do things like build buildings with one button instead of two.
personally i couldn't care less if my opponent wants to "cheat" in this way. if i'm meeting them on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me, be it with macros or without.
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On June 10 2011 06:43 Hokay wrote:
I wouldn't mind playing people who use macros because it would be like simulating a game vs Nada. How cool is that?
I bet you can't simulate his body though 
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Not a smart move by steelseries, they should not be supporting this and I would take down the video right away.
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On June 10 2011 06:43 rycho wrote:
why does anyone care how their opponent plays? it obviously isn't allowed in pro tournaments and if you meet someone on ladder using this you won't know the difference. its not like map hacking where the game would be completely different, it just allows you to do things like build buildings with one button instead of two.
personally i couldn't care less if my opponent wants to "cheat" in this way. if i'm meeting them on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me, be it with macros or without.
Well, how about cheating on a test or exam in a class that has no curve? It's not affecting other people, but it's still wrong.
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On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference.
It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not.
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On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not.
And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds.
Are they cheaters too?
Not everyone is a wanna-be progamer. Some people just want to enjoy games for what they are on their own terms. This kind of functionality opens the door to some people who otherwise would not be able to enjoy the game as much.
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On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too?
Are you really trying to say that the majority of starcraft 2 pleasers are physically disabled, so they need the assistance of a macro keyboard?
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On June 10 2011 06:46 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:43 rycho wrote:
why does anyone care how their opponent plays? it obviously isn't allowed in pro tournaments and if you meet someone on ladder using this you won't know the difference. its not like map hacking where the game would be completely different, it just allows you to do things like build buildings with one button instead of two.
personally i couldn't care less if my opponent wants to "cheat" in this way. if i'm meeting them on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me, be it with macros or without. Well, how about cheating on a test or exam in a class that has no curve? It's not affecting other people, but it's still wrong.
even if that situation, future tests will be curved to accommodate for those 'hella smart' kids and the success of the curriculum. i like imagining this whole principle all simple like.. a game of ball and jack, in which your opponent has 3 more hands than you do
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Well, it seems that every time I watch the GSL, I see players using that Razer Keyboard that everyonr is talking about. I mean, maybe I'm just ignorant (probably), but it doesnt really look any different. However, SteelSeries is giving Grubby a bad name, by using him to endorse this product.
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On June 10 2011 06:43 rycho wrote:
why does anyone care how their opponent plays? it obviously isn't allowed in pro tournaments and if you meet someone on ladder using this you won't know the difference. its not like map hacking where the game would be completely different, it just allows you to do things like build buildings with one button instead of two.
personally i couldn't care less if my opponent wants to "cheat" in this way. if i'm meeting them on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me, be it with macros or without.
I am pretty sure that if Blizzard announced to have one league for cheaters, and another for legitimate people, and that you could choose whichever you want of the two, the cheater one would be pretty empty. And all the people who "don't care" would not be in there, although if they really wouldn't care, 50% of them should end up in the cheaters league.
Seriously, those arguments are so strange. I, for one, don't want to play against cheaters. I want to play against people who are legitimately as good as they play. It is not really that the game itself is different, it is the feeling of "Is this guy i am playing really as good as me, or am i fighting mostly against his scripts" that is annoying. Apparently, many people see it like i do, and want to play in an enviroment without cheaters.
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On June 10 2011 06:49 Vulcano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:46 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:43 rycho wrote:
why does anyone care how their opponent plays? it obviously isn't allowed in pro tournaments and if you meet someone on ladder using this you won't know the difference. its not like map hacking where the game would be completely different, it just allows you to do things like build buildings with one button instead of two.
personally i couldn't care less if my opponent wants to "cheat" in this way. if i'm meeting them on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me, be it with macros or without. Well, how about cheating on a test or exam in a class that has no curve? It's not affecting other people, but it's still wrong. even if that situation, future tests will be curved to accommodate for those 'hella smart' kids and the success of the curriculum. i like imagining this whole principle all simple like.. a game of ball and jack, in which your opponent has 3 more hands than you do
Yeah, but the effect on the curve is negligible if let's say 10 people are cheating in a class of 400 people. It's still wrong, though. Cheating is morally and ethically wrong. In the case of starcraft 2, it's also against the rules.
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