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On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too?
The whole "it's not cheating because it evens up the playing field between skilled and unskilled players" argument is kinda silly because that's why there are separate leagues. Speaking to disabled persons playing this game is a different argument. I seriously doubt that Steelseries developed this keyboard to cater to the small amount of disabled people playing Starcraft 2.
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Using "macro functions" on a keyboard isn't cheating, and if it is against blizzard terms of use then the terms should be changed. Civil law works in a similar way as outdated or broken laws are constantly being changed removed or adapted.
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On June 10 2011 06:43 rycho wrote:
why does anyone care how their opponent plays? it obviously isn't allowed in pro tournaments and if you meet someone on ladder using this you won't know the difference. its not like map hacking where the game would be completely different, it just allows you to do things like build buildings with one button instead of two.
personally i couldn't care less if my opponent wants to "cheat" in this way. if i'm meeting them on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me, be it with macros or without.
lol your reasoning is completely ignorant. so I guess you are okay with playing with maphackers if you meet them in MM? that sounds really fair 
good thing blizzard does not think like you ^^
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can a TL mod speak on this? I find it strange that some people are in favor of macros in SC2...someone needs to tell these folks just flat out NO
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On June 10 2011 06:54 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:43 rycho wrote:
why does anyone care how their opponent plays? it obviously isn't allowed in pro tournaments and if you meet someone on ladder using this you won't know the difference. its not like map hacking where the game would be completely different, it just allows you to do things like build buildings with one button instead of two.
personally i couldn't care less if my opponent wants to "cheat" in this way. if i'm meeting them on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me, be it with macros or without. lol your reasoning is completely ignorant. so I guess you are okay with playing with maphackers if you meet them in MM? that sounds really fair good thing blizzard does not think like you ^^
Yeah, he would be fine playing against maphackers because "meeting whem on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me."
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On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too?
Yes, yes they are. Now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with disabled people using macros to be competetiv to other players, because frankly anyone not disabled should be able to get better then them anyway with some training. I don't think macros like this would make a huge differense. The problem is that you can not prove it online and make 100% certain. Also were do you draw the line? how disabled do you need to be to be "allowed" to use macros? Again how do you prove it?
What people allready have said, Grubby just do what his sponsor whants him to do because he needs the sponsor money. Nothing wrong with that. The ones in the wrong here is steal series who should have done a better job looking up the rules.
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On June 10 2011 06:49 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? Are you really trying to say that the majority of starcraft 2 pleasers are physically disabled, so they need the assistance of a macro keyboard?
thats a low blow to the first poster on disabled pplz i mean cmon, justify yourself within respectable parameters
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On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too?
Yes, they are. Everything is not black and white, though. It's hard to judge how much assistance is needed to level the field perfectly. StarCraft II, as well as many other games, is about pressing buttons fast. It may sound harsh, but if you don't have the physical capabilites to compete, you should look for an other game or for opponents which have the same opportunities as you have. That's how all sports work
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On June 10 2011 06:55 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:54 Golgotha wrote:On June 10 2011 06:43 rycho wrote:
why does anyone care how their opponent plays? it obviously isn't allowed in pro tournaments and if you meet someone on ladder using this you won't know the difference. its not like map hacking where the game would be completely different, it just allows you to do things like build buildings with one button instead of two.
personally i couldn't care less if my opponent wants to "cheat" in this way. if i'm meeting them on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me, be it with macros or without. lol your reasoning is completely ignorant. so I guess you are okay with playing with maphackers if you meet them in MM? that sounds really fair good thing blizzard does not think like you ^^ Yeah, he would be fine playing against maphackers because "meeting whem on ladder it means they're approximately as good as me."
yup i just laughed when I read that.
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"A good tool when no one is playing competitively" Uhm... Fuck you Steel Series? I am not good enough to win a tournament but I certainly try my best on the ladder and I don't want others using maphacks or 1 button more than 1 action macros?
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On June 10 2011 06:52 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? The whole "it's not cheating because it evens up the playing field between skilled and unskilled players" argument is kinda silly because that's why there are separate leagues. Speaking to disabled persons playing this game is a different argument. I seriously doubt that Steelseries developed this keyboard to cater to the small about of disabled people playing Starcraft 2.
It may not have been developed to cater to them, but they can use it to their benefit. Demonifing Grubby and SS for promoting fuctionality that all game keyboard manufacturers have been including for years is just plain unfair to Grubby and SS.
Macro functionality is available to anyone if they want it. Some people make the choice that its cheating and dont want it, because they consider it cheating and thats fine. But that is the choice they made made. Others will use it because it just makes the game more fun to play for them, and will see if the functionality is available to everyone, then they can't be faulted for the choices of others.
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Never been a big fan of steelseries, and this only makes their case worse.
Seems they need to do better marketing research. These kind of keyboards are great for WoW players, but the SC2 community is extremely different. I'd say that Steelseries making this product has done them more harm than good. I'd never buy a product from a company that makes this keyboard.
On June 10 2011 06:59 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:52 Razuik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? The whole "it's not cheating because it evens up the playing field between skilled and unskilled players" argument is kinda silly because that's why there are separate leagues. Speaking to disabled persons playing this game is a different argument. I seriously doubt that Steelseries developed this keyboard to cater to the small about of disabled people playing Starcraft 2. It may not have been developed to cater to them, but they can use it to their benefit. Demonifing Grubby and SS for promoting fuctionality that all game keyboard manufacturers have been including for years is just plain unfair to Grubby and SS. Macro functionality is available to anyone if they want it. Some people make the choice that its cheating and dont want it, because they consider it cheating and thats fine. But that is the choice they made made. Others will use it because it just makes the game more fun to play for them, and will see if the functionality is available to everyone, then they can't be faulted for the choices of others.
Its already recognized as a bannable offense by Blizzard. 1 key = 1 action. There's no room for interpretation. SC2 is a competitive RTS game, not a platform adventure game.
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On June 10 2011 06:56 Vulcano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:49 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? Are you really trying to say that the majority of starcraft 2 pleasers are physically disabled, so they need the assistance of a macro keyboard? thats a low blow to the first poster on disabled pplz i mean cmon, justify yourself within respectable parameters
No, the previous poster ignores that we have leagues: bronze, silver, gold, platinum, diamond, masters, and grandmasters.
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On June 10 2011 06:57 Ejohrik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? Yes, they are. Everything is not black and white, though. It's hard to judge how much assistance is needed to level the field perfectly. StarCraft II, as well as many other games, is about pressing buttons fast. It may sound harsh, but if you don't have the physical capabilites to compete, you should look for an other game or for opponents which have the same opportunities as you have. That's how all sports work
But we are talking about a game. Not a sport. The majority of people who play this game are not wanna be progamers who treat this game as a sport. They play it more along the lines of pickup basketball, for enjoyment and stimulation.
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On June 10 2011 06:56 Vulcano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:49 ptbl wrote:On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? Are you really trying to say that the majority of starcraft 2 pleasers are physically disabled, so they need the assistance of a macro keyboard? thats a low blow to the first poster on disabled pplz i mean cmon, justify yourself within respectable parameters
i think the fact that he even brought up the reasoning of disabled folks in the first place to justify using macros is the low blow and very shameful to him.
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On June 10 2011 06:59 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:52 Razuik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? The whole "it's not cheating because it evens up the playing field between skilled and unskilled players" argument is kinda silly because that's why there are separate leagues. Speaking to disabled persons playing this game is a different argument. I seriously doubt that Steelseries developed this keyboard to cater to the small about of disabled people playing Starcraft 2. It may not have been developed to cater to them, but they can use it to their benefit. Demonifing Grubby and SS for promoting fuctionality that all game keyboard manufacturers have been including for years is just plain unfair to Grubby and SS. Macro functionality is available to anyone if they want it. Some people make the choice that its cheating and dont want it, because they consider it cheating and thats fine. But that is the choice they made made. Others will use it because it just makes the game more fun to play for them, and will see if the functionality is available to everyone, then they can't be faulted for the choices of others.
People may have different opinions on whether or not it's cheating, but it's not people's opinion that makes the rules for the game. It's Blizzard's ToS that said it's illegal to use in game.
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On June 10 2011 07:00 Mohdoo wrote:
Never been a big fan of steelseries, and this only makes their case worse.
Seems they need to do better marketing research. These kind of keyboards are great for WoW players, but the SC2 community is extremely different. I'd say that Steelseries making this product has done them more harm than good. I'd never buy a product from a company that makes this keyboard.
Well stop getting razor and logitech keyboards as well then. The razor starcraft 2 themed keyboard has macro functionality specifically for "on the fly macros while gaming"
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On June 10 2011 06:59 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:52 Razuik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? The whole "it's not cheating because it evens up the playing field between skilled and unskilled players" argument is kinda silly because that's why there are separate leagues. Speaking to disabled persons playing this game is a different argument. I seriously doubt that Steelseries developed this keyboard to cater to the small about of disabled people playing Starcraft 2. It may not have been developed to cater to them, but they can use it to their benefit. Demonifing Grubby and SS for promoting fuctionality that all game keyboard manufacturers have been including for years is just plain unfair to Grubby and SS. Macro functionality is available to anyone if they want it. Some people make the choice that its cheating and dont want it, because they consider it cheating and thats fine. But that is the choice they made made. Others will use it because it just makes the game more fun to play for them, and will see if the functionality is available to everyone, then they can't be faulted for the choices of others.
actually doesnt blizzard also make that choice, that using macros is cheating.. anything that is more than one command bound to one keypress. ppl who 'choose to use it' are obvious in their defense - not implying that you do - just that the defense is moot due to the ToS
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On June 10 2011 07:01 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 06:57 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:48 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:46 Ejohrik wrote:On June 10 2011 06:37 Seide wrote:On June 10 2011 06:33 Angry_Fetus wrote:On June 10 2011 06:17 Seide wrote:
Who cares, 99% of people are not progamers who contribute anything to the proscene outside of viewership. For them its a matter of taste, that other 1% where it actually matters already have regulations against it.
I use a mouse and keyboard to play CoD on xbox 360, I know it gives me an unfair advantage, but what do I care? I play the game solely for fun on my own terms, not on the terms of random people on forums. Same can be said for this issue.
Its my 50$. Really? You can honestly sit there and type that with a straight face? This is a pitiful justification. Way to ruin the experience for everyone else, when you can't compete with them on fair terms. This is the exact same scenario as hacking in any PC game. Your enjoyment is not more important than everyone elses enjoyment. I can sit here and type it with a straight face because its not like they cant attain the same tools that I have. They just choose not to, and that is not my problem. I dont claim to be good at the game even though I do very good but thats because im using an input method im used to. I am not willing to throw away 10 years of mouse/keyboard fps and switch to a controller ive barely used just so I can play with my friends. Input method should be my personal preference. It still is cheating. Just because everyone is able to do something does not justify doing it. Anyone can download aimbot/maphack. Anyone can download a videogame or a movie off the internet instead of paying. Does that make them right? I think not. And how about disabled people who are generally not even considered when control scemes are designed, but can use macros to even up the playing field and make the game keep up with their minds. Are they cheaters too? Yes, they are. Everything is not black and white, though. It's hard to judge how much assistance is needed to level the field perfectly. StarCraft II, as well as many other games, is about pressing buttons fast. It may sound harsh, but if you don't have the physical capabilites to compete, you should look for an other game or for opponents which have the same opportunities as you have. That's how all sports work But we are talking about a game. Not a sport. The majority of people who play this game are not wanna be progamers who treat this game as a sport. They play it more along the lines of pickup basketball, for enjoyment and stimulation.
Macros have been specified as cheating by Blizzard as well as every single tournament organization. Sports are games, and they are played competitively. Same for SC2. What don't you understand that this has already been deemed cheating a long time ago? This isn't an ongoing discussion with grey area. People get banned for it. People aren't allowed to do this in tournaments.
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Obviously cheating is a passionate issue judging from the way that people are defending and opposing it. Anyway, I'm going to step away from the computer to cool down.
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and The Grubby Rally strikes again...
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