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On June 10 2011 07:20 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 07:16 Razuik wrote:On June 10 2011 07:15 Unhallowed wrote:On June 10 2011 00:09 Ahelvin wrote:
I think Grubby was asked to do a commercial in exchange for some money, and of course he accepted because he is a rational human being.
I believe the term you are looking for is prostitution. Please... PLEASE open a dictionary! While I would not agree that one should call what grubby did like that as it would be an exaggeration... it's you who should look up an dictionary: put (oneself or one's talents) to an unworthy or corrupt use for personal or financial gain: his willingness to prostitute himself to the worst instincts of the electoratehttp://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/prostitute
I'm just saying he could have worded that differently is all lol.
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He is a sponsored player, if his sponsor asks him to do a commercial he is obligated to becasue of his contract.
It doesn't mean he uses it.
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On June 10 2011 07:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 07:18 Whiplash wrote:
Eh, it's not like any pros would use it... Are professionals the only people who agree to the rules of a ladder match? The issue is not whether this will lose someone money. The issue is that the standard rule set of laddering is violated by using this keyboard. If someone is choosing to ladder or participate in tournaments, they accept those rules. Professionals are not the only ones who enjoy the pursuit of improving at SC2.
Yah I find the statement from Steelseries that it is okay for non-tournament play to get an advantage by using macro keys to be elitist and insulting to everyone who enjoys the competition of ladder games - even if it is on a lower level, the people still have a right for a fair playing field.
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"what should I put them to work with?"
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I have a feeling this thread is better advertismenet for the keyboard than the spot itself. :D
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I don't care if someone uses this against me or not.
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who cares that the keyboard can do macros, autohotkeys can do that with any keyboard.
I actually can't think of anything good to macro anyways... maybe the 'send money to friends' buttons? Would be nice if I could instadump ALL my minerals/gas in one/two clicks instead of 20 
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I blame Steelseries AND Grubby. As a professional Starcraft 2 player, he shouldn't be promoting activity that is against the ToS. Promoting the keyboard, fine. Describing how to use macros to accomplish certain objectives in game, not fine.
Also, way earlier in the thread someone mentioned about setting a macro for Shift + C, for example, being a violation, I think that's debatable (thought there should be an 'e' in there, but spellcheck says otherwise). I'm not sure modifiers count as separate clicks when it comes to the one click = one action policy. For example, we can rebind "Set Control Group 1" to 'X' instead of "Ctrl + 1". For me, the action is Setting the control group and I think the "Ctrl + 1" is sent to the server as one command. I'm not 100% sure Blizzard sees it this way, but I think it's arguable, not that it matters to Blizzard lol.
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I don't see how people can say grubby isn't the one promoting this when he is in the video.....promoting it.......This would be like an athlete talking about how to use steroids in a video, but its okay cause he is just trying to make money and his sponsors wanted him to do it?
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On June 10 2011 07:36 KneeDeeP wrote:
I don't see how people can say grubby isn't the one promoting this when he is in the video.....promoting it.......This would be like an athlete talking about how to use steroids in a video, but its okay cause he is just trying to make money and his sponsors wanted him to do it?
Steroids are illegal to use. This keyboard is not illegal, a function the keyboard has is illegal in some games when playing online. Very situational and different. You can't really compare it lol.
Anyway this keyboard looks awesome when playing MMORPGs.
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crazy, good think i dont support ss.
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I think they should let the quadriplegic guy use a macro keyboard at MLG, spectal was his name I think
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On June 10 2011 07:29 Keilah wrote:who cares that the keyboard can do macros, autohotkeys can do that with any keyboard. I actually can't think of anything good to macro anyways... maybe the 'send money to friends' buttons? Would be nice if I could instadump ALL my minerals/gas in one/two clicks instead of 20
There are lots of helpful macros that make things easier, and give you an unfair advantage over your opponent.
1. You can create a macro to inject all your hatches simply by placing your cursor in the middle of the screen and hitting one button.
2. You can set a macro to signal you every however many seconds when it's time to inject, warp in, anything.
3. You can set a macro for roach burrow micro that is decidedly unfair.
It's definitely abusable.
For the record, I don't play Zerg, so no, I don't use these macros that I just suggested lol.
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On June 10 2011 07:40 drlame wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 07:36 KneeDeeP wrote:
I don't see how people can say grubby isn't the one promoting this when he is in the video.....promoting it.......This would be like an athlete talking about how to use steroids in a video, but its okay cause he is just trying to make money and his sponsors wanted him to do it? Steroids are illegal to use. This keyboard is not illegal, a function the keyboard has is illegal in some games when playing online. Very situational and different. You can't really compare it lol. Anyway this keyboard looks awesome when playing MMORPGs.
He promotes specific features which are not allowed in ladder play. That is the distinction in this situation compared to other times when pro-gamers have promoted a keyboard. Grubby goes into detail about how to use macros to make the game easier. It is "illegal" in the ladder. When someone ladders, they agree to the rules of the competition.
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On June 10 2011 07:40 drlame wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 07:36 KneeDeeP wrote:
I don't see how people can say grubby isn't the one promoting this when he is in the video.....promoting it.......This would be like an athlete talking about how to use steroids in a video, but its okay cause he is just trying to make money and his sponsors wanted him to do it? Steroids are illegal to use. This keyboard is not illegal, a function the keyboard has is illegal in some games when playing online. Very situational and different. You can't really compare it lol. Anyway this keyboard looks awesome when playing MMORPGs.
Okay but you get my point macro functions like this are illegal in any sort of ladder or tournament play. Its an unfair advantage in both situations which is more or less the point I'm trying to make, but for an mmo yes this would be an amazing keyboard which is exactly how they should have advertised this.
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On June 10 2011 07:22 Snarf wrote:
He is a sponsored player, if his sponsor asks him to do a commercial he is obligated to becasue of his contract.
I disagree with this. They can ask him to do a commercial promoting the product. That's fine. He isn't required to promote things that are specifically against the rules of the game. It's pretty damn stupid on Steelseries' part, but that's a separate issue.
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On June 10 2011 07:47 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 07:22 Snarf wrote:
He is a sponsored player, if his sponsor asks him to do a commercial he is obligated to becasue of his contract. I disagree with this. They can ask him to do a commercial promoting the product. That's fine. He isn't required to promote things that are specifically against the rules of the game. It's pretty damn stupid on Steelseries' part, but that's a separate issue.
Yeah, if anything, Grubby probably should have warned them about the sort of backlash they would get for something like this. I can't imagine the responses here would be much of a surprise to him. I can't imagine that Steelseries went into this knowing that they are supporting what is recognized as cheating lol :/
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Sorry if this has already been answered:
But can keyboard macros even be detected?
I mean the blizzard server will still receive 4ddaaaaTabss as multiple key clicks right? Then again, they could implement something to detect gigantic APM fluctuations I suppose.
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It's just weird that they used a pro player to promote this. I don't think they should've done that because people want to replicate everything their favorite player does.
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On June 10 2011 07:52 Ravencruiser wrote:
Sorry if this has already been answered:
But can keyboard macros even be detected?
I mean the blizzard server will still receive 4ddaaaaTabss as multiple key clicks right? Then again, they could implement something to detect gigantic APM fluctuations I suppose.
I'm by no means an expert on how they detect cheating, but remember, every game you play, your opponent gets the replay and they can see your APM spikes, which they can report. If I was playing a Zerg, and the replay showed lightning quick larva injects, I would be suspect. There are quick, legal ways to inject, and then there are macros. Macros are way faster than even the quickest, most efficient ways of doing something.
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